thank you for all your incredible support of the show. we truly appreciate it. you can learn more about the next revolution by hollowing off that next representative. i will see you next sunday evevevevevolution will be televised. hello america i'm mark live-in. this is life, liberty and levin. we have a little different show for you today, actually it's a lot different. we have a question, do we have a free press today or an unfree press as i contend in my new book on freedom of the press. what about the press? is that one party press or interested in objectivity, giving us news, what is it exactly? nobody's that or to start this discussion then my buddy

pete. how are you. >> i'm great. thanks for having me. >> it's a great pleasure. we are doing things a little differently tonight. you've had an opportunity to read the book. >> yes i have. >> i think it's fantastic. i think it's badly needed and i'm pinching myself that i'm in the bunker interviewing the great one, having a conversation. >> the bunker is the brick and steel of a nondescript building. it fits the description completely. >> you are hidden away. i couldn't find it if i tried but liberty and freedom lives here. having read all your other books, this is an extension, you hadn't written this much about the media before. what is it that made you say i want to do an expose of the american media. >> it's the 800-pound gorilla in the living room. we watch a lot of tv, we listen to radio, there's media on the internet. i wanted to try to determine what we mean by the media.

the media seems out of control. they seem to be ideologically driven especially with this president. look at the constitution, many of the same people who abuse freedom of the press point to the first amendment, but why do we have freedom of the press. freedom of the press is aligned with freedom of speech and how did we get here? we got here because the american revolution before, these were printers who were really the great patriots and push the american revolution and push the ideas, printers who were printing pamphlets and maybe two dozen newspapers that lead up to the revolution. farmers and blacksmiths would read these things and spread throughout the colonies by word and so forth in public places, the press is the

patriot press. they prep push lower no taxes, small government, patriotism, that was their purpose. that's what they did. it was followed by a period of something called the political party press. it started in the early 1800s, jefferson and adams, newspapers started to align with them and parties, but here's the thing they were very transparent about it. we have newspapers in this country that are still the progeny of that era. the arizona republic used to be called the arizona republican, you have papers like that all across the country. they were outspoken about who they supported. as a matter fact sometimes they were on the payroll of the post office or something like that depending on who the president of the united states was. fast-forward to about 1900 ever take in the progressive movement rises and it devours

all access of our society as it does today. it was not going to allow the media and they decided we needed to have a professional media. what did that mean? they told us, they said it meant a relative handful of experts and they will explain it to those who are just to stupid, we call them the american people, they're gonna play it straight but they didn't play it straight. many of the progressives of that era were great influence, but it was a lot straighter than it is today. and then we move fast forward to today. that's the heritage of the modern media, but it's gotten worse. why? they put jim picked up the bad habits of the political party media, but they don't represent both political parties. they represent one clinical

party, even worse, they're not transparent about it, there are opaque about it, they pretend their objective and then when you study their standards and so forth, there's actually debates does the process have to be objective, but more people are reviewing themselves as social activists. >> do they know it or are they lying to themselves. >> i believe most of them know it, especially the last three years with the criticism of the receiving from a lot of the public. the media is destroying the free press. i make a distinction between the media and the free press. we mostly have media and not free press because of the media. the media is destroying the

free press. not the president by calling out newspapers and journalists. >> they say they're under a greater threat than they've ever been. >> isn't that fascinating. they are illiterate when it comes to history, as i explained in the book, john adams, he put journalists in prison. he shut down newspapers. it was a big problem. jefferson got rid of the sedition act. you've got abraham lincoln during the civil war during his secretary they shut down over 300 newspapers and put journalists in prison for a variety of reasons. you can argue one way or another but that's what they did. one of the great progressives and an accidental president in many ways, he had a new sedition act, an extension of the 1917 espionage act that we often talk about.

he put a number of journalists in prison and particle opponents and presenting even more modern times, use the irs to go, his wife used the irs because they were conservatives. they went after kennedy, lbj also use the irs and of course barack obama used the fbi to go after james in the new york times with fox and 20 associated press, to say this president, by calling a particular reporter or news operation fake news is like a dictator, it's the worst thing we've ever seen is so absurd, is so outrageous, i'm not aware that he's use the fbi or the irs or a sedition act to shut down anybody or put anybody in prison and yet you if you asked the left about

fdr, they love him. he has used all caps on twitter. it's very painful to watch. i feel like that shuts a lot of people down. this is part of the problem, when you look at the stretch of history in the media, i would argue were at the lost point ever. you have half the american people, give or take, the vast majority of republicans, i'm not making this up it's in the book and you can look at research, they do not trust the media. the vast majority of democrats do. that's fine. that means you're playing to a political party, you couldn't tell me the difference really between the democrat agenda and what you hear from chris cuomo are a whole list of so-called reporters, same with msnbc. >> you layout in the book out inseparable the two really are when you look at transition from the media into the obama administration and how many executives in house, it

appears it's a two-way street back-and-forth. >> is extraordinary. they say but look at this republican or that republican, that's like the exception to the rule. the rule is you actually have dozens of democrats who have served in the obama administration and are back in the media or vice versa. we have an enormous number of family leaders who have worked on the hill. the truth. look at cnn, there are several over there, look at msnbc, chris matthews and others, there are several. there's this incestuous relationship. it's a social relationship a geographic relationship, pretty much on the east coast, pretty much in new york and washington and you have the whole rest of the country out there, this relationship that's geographical and political, oddly enough and

they took a look at the new rising internet news. they say there's no getting around the fact that most of these people on the internet that are so-called newspeople live in dark blue counties, geographically, politically, ideologically, there's really no question and that's when you're watching tv, there are exceptions, but when you're watching tv and you're seeing something that doesn't seem right or it's liberal, it is. >> there's a number of great studies in there, but i've decided i don't want to just list things over and over again so i took the time to really dig out some of these. it's a harvard organization, they looked at the first 100 days of the trump presidency and they found that cnn and nbc were negative 90% of the time. in other words almost 100% of the time they look at cbs and the others, they were negative

well over 70% of the time. there were times over 80% of the time. there's really only one network that was relatively and it was this one, 52% negative and 82% positive. isn't that what you want? you can see there's very little ideological diversity in some of these organizations and there's very little difference between news and opinion in some of these organizations. i think that is the achilles' heel of the media today. >> i want to come back to this channel, fox as well as the new york times. you've got a fascinating chapter that will get to as well. what would the patriot press, what would thomas paine, if they were here today, what would they say about our press? >> i think there would be astonished at how monolithic it is? i don't there's any question about that. you cannot find me a study or survey that says otherwise. you cannot show me a study or survey that says a majority of this particular news is

conservative or right of center. even moderate republican. there is none that exist. i know, i looked. it's been that way even before president trump was president. it's just all come to the head. i think thomas paine would be absolutely disgusted. the patriot press wasn't so much a news operation, it was pushing a revolution, media today for the most part they like the rule by judges and popular government when their guys win. they don't like it otherwise. talk about changing the various aspects of the constitution, the republican

aspects of the constitution, and you can also see what happens in a lot of these newsrooms by the nature of the gas that they have, the so-called experts they have are the members of congress who have repeat performances you can see, again, cnn, msnbc, but it's not just cable it's the written word to. when i come back down to talk to you especially about the new york times. new york times is supposed to be the gold standard. it's supposed to be the iconic newspaper. you read chapter six and you didn't pull any punches. >> don't have a real discussion about yo the new york times when i come back. >> don't forget, almost every week that you can watch me on levintv. i hope you will join us. go to place tv.com/mark to sign up. or give us a call at 844 levintv. 844 levintv. we'll be right back. hey!

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times. >> was probably the most fascinating chapter of the book. the president today calls that the failing new york times. what you laid out is one of the biggest failures in journalistic history. the time sort of pioneered the idea of unbiased journalism, at least attempting to do so yet when it came to the holocaust and world war ii, they were worse than bad. why? >> it's shocking, and what's also shocking is how most americans don't know about this. the rest of the media pre-much covers it up. everyone keeps quoting the new york times. tell me, how many businesses would still be around if they did their very, very best to censor what took place in the holocaust? i don't take a lot of them would be around. >> active censorship. >> in real-time. >> many scholars i write, the new york times during the course of the holocaust did everything they could to push

it to the back pages to the extent that it was ever printed which was very rare. the new york times knew a lot of what was going on in the attempt to exterminate all the european jews and there were eyewitnesses to this, there were four news reports, there were jewish groups that came to the new york times, new york times was owned by a jewish publisher, but he didn't want his newspaper to be pigeonholed as a jewish newspaper. he very much was supportive of the new deal and fdr and fdr didn't want to focus on the holocaust. what they did was worse than push it to the back pages. the american people really didn't know much about the holocaust until 1944. >> in the american involvement lagged behind as well. >> that's correct, and millions of people who are being killed, you would expect the new york times to at least point that out. they had front-page stories in

the new york times of events where hundreds of people were killed. not involving jews, and they had other kinds of events, people might say they were focused on the war but the whole new york times was not focused on the war. they did a lot of reporting on other things. local things going on in new york city, other things going on in our country and so forth. but the holocaust was given short shrift. i want to think about this. you're the paper record. you have more journalistic resources, not just in the united states for any other american newspaper and you effectively, it's an outrage. even worse than that, about ten years earlier they had a reporter there a correspondent in moscow, his name was walter to randy. he had been there ten or 12 years and he was the senior correspondent of all correspondence. he was there during the strength of stalin.

stalin decided to start the ukraine because the peasant farmers didn't believe in all this so they resisted. ukraine was the breadbasket of europe. he cut it off. he cut off all transportation, food, clean water, everything. 10million people starve to death. a few reporters from britain got in there, from the manchester guardian and they started reporting on this. they sought cannibalism, the most horrific things you could imagine. there's a story that they here at night, ukrainians trying to get in because they are literally, and there's nothing for them in ukraine. and walter duranty was a news man the new york times and he was writing the lies and propaganda. some people think he was in the back pocket of stalin because he lived very well, he would be transported with these black sedans and you

could only do that really if stalin knew about it at the time. how does the newspaper have record, the new york times would cover their reputation, if they ever did or be seen as reputable when you miss and/or cover-up the biggest story of the century? >> by the way, they got a pulitzer for that. they won't give it back. i don't know two is it your buddies coming it up for you, why does not change? people go on a business in the private sector when they miss something that big and not the new york times and they all my work for the new york times out of school and all these other newsrooms, they have new york times, it's a guide star for all the news that takes place and i thought it was crucially important but that in the book so people understand these reporters are of flesh and blood and they have biases. you can never say, certainly

since what took place the last century, and it wasn't new york times, it was the washington post at the time with respect to the holocaust, they also downplayed it, almost every newspaper downplayed it in the country, the owner of the new york times opposed the idea of a jewish state. [inaudible] [inaudible] they praise these reporters. it's the yellow age of journalism, the lowest point of journalism. what i would like to do with you, all of this is in the book, i want to talk about russia collusion, a great

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time about two years ago you appeared on our weekend show. you had done the work that no one else was doing by pulling together what had been done to then canada and president trump. hold on. >> i'm not done. >> okay in the book you lay out how much the press has dropped the ball or, you called it creating a pseudo- story. talk to me about that. >> i remember that day, i came under attack. >> i think he went for eight or nine or ten minutes at a time. >> which is pretty great. all i did was started to pull together new stories and you could see the leaks coming out of the fbi. of the fbi. >> i started pulling those things together and under

program and put them in exhibit form when you are litigating and then the media almost in a aggregate started to attack the right-winger and all the rest of it but we had the broad outline that are consistent with what is being uncovered more and more each day and it was a strange thing because i was not the source of this information in various media and it's clear media outlets received seeks that's one of the reasons why they refuse to cover the police state tactics of the obama ministration at the fbi, the barman of justice and intelligence agencies and i would contend out of the oval office. they do not want to do those things because they were part of the process. or than that they wanted to defeat trump industry trump. in the book i called these things pseudo- events and if you look at the news and i do not admit that, brilliant historian who did in 1961 would become the

head of the library of congress and wrote a whole book on thi this -. pete: president trump calls the figures. mark: he is right. it is fake news. these are pseudo- events and creations of -- for instance, there was an op-ed called unanimous and became news for one week. in the new york times. the real news was who wrote it but they would not tell us. why is that the news? so you and i and 300 million americans can no who is behind the effort to sabotage the president from within. that was the big news but "the new york times" would not tell us. they ran a holy and ominous op-ed that became news -- when jim acosta disrupts the press conference or mate outrageous allegations he knows what he's doing. he's creating fake news. pseudo- events. then all of a sudden pseudo- events become daily reports on the news. and so, bornstein says that what

i write in the book -- so much of what we see on tv or listen to the radio is non- reality. it is not what is going on in the world. pete: by the way, folks need to google mark 62017 on? levin because you live without the case is devastatingly accurate to this day. speaking of this day would any reporter in any of the places you mentioned have the ability to do the work, follow-through and report on it in a meaningful way inside these newsrooms? or is it those who think get in line for your out of here? mark: great point. i don't think they would. two reasons. you do not have ideological diversity in these newsrooms and you should not have to in other words your job is to get out there and find the objective truth and reported to the working people and let the american people synthesize that in their own craniums and so forth but apparently were too stupid to do that.

stupid people in the media have to do it for us. mark: . pete: they act like they're smarter for the. mark: important .. you raise. i think the pressure goes one way and the book they talk about an old-time reporter for "the washington post" named thomas edison. he wrote a piece and said let's stop attending we are liberal and the news is liberal, i'm liberal, were level and defend it and explain why that's important. the news should be watched. progressive ideology and others have said that too. or better reporters. name any good conservative reporters? of course you can name or maybe just a handful so he says that's good and we need to have the news watch the progressive agenda and that is the point. why is that? pete: why are newsrooms overwhelmingly left-wing connect what is it about that possession that or is the pipeline so controlled by liberals that they're producing more liberals? the five it reminds me of what goes on in colleges and

universities behind faculty. it becomes the most ideological inbred situation. they go to the same schools to hire people and what people largely agree with them and they don't want minority views or independent thinkers in the newsroom and you know how tv, fox, my show or whatever we put together these montages and they say the same thing. it does not matter who it is or what the news but how is that possible? use the same words but last week it was constitutional crisis in the cooper together 20 soundbites from five different news organizations and they say exactly the same thing but before that it was obstruction of justice before that and for two years collusion and before that it was the president of the united states is mentally unhinged and before that it was stormy daniels day in and day out. change the channel and see the same thing and you don't even have to change the channel. there's a number of reasons for this and number one as i said

there is an incestuous hiring and a whole lot of democrats were now in the media and vice versa and even if you do not for 100 years this has been building since the progressive movement all the way into our current day but it has gotten worse today because they don't even pursue objectivity. in the halls of journalism i will call it for the people figure out -- scary halls and very thin but they argue over what their dander should be and they argue over this word objectivity or phrase objective truth and debate over what it means. most people say you see the ne news, leave it to us to decide. that's not that simple. there needs to be an explanation or a reason why were airing th this. analysis, interpretation and so forth. this is why you have now this horrific problem of news and opinions combined. this network, fox, we do a

better job of segregating news and opinion, i would argue, than any cable program and better than "the new york times" and "the washington post". we know who the news people here are and the opinion people here are. you can't tell over at msnbc what's what and who's who and even in the faces of "the new york times". pete: 20 think people are being sick and tired of being lied to and told him independent journalist and say they appreciate those who stand up and say this is where i'm coming from but are we moving away from that era of independent journalism back to here's who i am and what it represents? mark: right after the break i

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is on full display. do you think this will take us back to a place where people are open about where they're coming from or directly, and as a result, it was choose your content. mark: was fascinating within the democrat media what i call it there's a debate and they don't have it in front of the cameras or anything like that but you can see it you start to read what some of these folks are same. there's a debate and a big moment been underway for a couple of decades to get up front of social activists and were liberals and this is who we are and who we should be and how we ought to explain the news because that's a good thing. others who seek to conceal that ideology and pretend they are pushing news, pure news, objective news and the rest of us know otherwise but half the country knows otherwise. look at "the washington post".

"the washington post" was dead a couple years ago and going broke and jeff bezos came in and bought it and saved it for a quarter of a billion dollars but i remember it was only worth two or $3 billion and no one would invest in it. new york times was going broke, billionaire telex medications billionaire anna mexico bought 20% or so of "the new york times" to save it. other institutions. pete: is that newspapers or product of the bias they been exposed for or a combination thereof? mark: a combination probably but particularly the bias. what will happen -- look, bottom line is the media are destroying the free press. i want to emphasize this. you have, in the past, press that was partisan and admitted it and aligned with the party and they admitted it. a path that was elitist and they emitted it. what do you have today? you have a party press, democrat party press pushing pretty much a monopolistic ideology and they are very aggressive in pushing

their social activism in pushing social activism and reporting on their own social activism which is extraordinarily dangerous and lost the respect of millions of americans. tell me how many businesses can survive when you've lost the respect of millions of americans and claim to be accurate in what you doing but not producing a lot but a combination of news and opinion and when you're advancing a political ideology agenda and nowadays spending most of her time trying to destroy a duly elected president of the united states because he does not represent your ideology or your party and trying to destroy them before he was elected president or right up to the day. people see this. pete: have they created the thing. the most? when you listen to the pundits in the news types on other records they talk to point to talk radio like you that you are the ones destroying the public conversation because of your irresponsible rhetoric so point

to fox news channel in prime time and what will they then had to do to shut that next thing? mark: i tell you why they do this. by the way, they do this exactly the same thing democrats economist two. it needs jerk. they want to listen to talk radio. we have people: from all over the country and they ought to be listening to fox. fifty-two, 40% and this is the problem, conformity of ideology and approach the news and their intolerant and that the problem with the ideologically driven business model and business model terms of millions of people and that is why you have all these other new media platforms be developed because you have new technologies that allow them and have other technologies in the future and if the media doesn't start to reform itself and this is a thing i want to talk about -- i

don't expect the media to listen to me for the media belong to the american people, the first amendment, read him of the press belong to american people. if we have a state run media that supports the administrative state and left-wing judges. pete: effectively what we have right now. mark: then it will weaken the republic and that's why we need these alternatives to be developed and why we need to speak up more and not just take it every day but the stuff is coming through the monitor and through the radio and everywhe everywhere, same thing all the time, same agenda all the time and they need to understand their destroying themselves and in many ways we want them to go away and want them replaced with truly free press. pete: and a patriotic press. mark: that would be nice to him time to time if they'd advance the cause of the vote. when was the last time you heard about anchors talk about liber

liberty, individualism, private property rights these are the things that generated the motivated the revolution in the first place as opposed to single-payer health care. or even healthcare for illegal aliens. or a green new deal. what would thomas paine say about that? pete: i can only imagine. mark: don't forget most weekdays you must meet on blaze tv .co .com -- mark to sign up and we love to have you over there or give us a call. fact is, every insurance company hopes you drive safely. but allstate actually helps you drive safely... with drivewise. it lets you know when you go too fast... ...and brake too hard. with feedback to help you drive safer. giving you the power to actually lower your cost. unfortunately, it can't do anything about that. now that you know the truth...

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♪ ♪. mark: pete, during the break yesterday about a particular section. pete: the last chapter, abuse about character it sticks out about a character about freedom of the press, why? pgh. mark: to provide history and content. had past presidents and you can look at the character of some of these past presidents of what they did and look at john kennedy. john kennedy had numerous affairs in the oval office and some of them are indescribable with a 19 -year-old intern and before he became president of the united states had an affair

with an east german spy and president had an affair with mobsters girlfriend but were not allowed to talk about these things in the press did not talk about it. they covered it up. one of his best friends was ben bradley, watergate who worked for newsweek at the time and ben bradley received from pierce and a fbi files in a group that opposed kennedy and they would talk to bradley about other people about how much he paid in taxes. they had a person, contact at the irs provided information because they wanted it on their political enemies and johnson did it even worse. johnson actually had bugs placed at his own convention in atlantic city at the democratic and they bugged martin luther king's hotel room and scared to death of robert kennedy as a challenger and would give reports once or twice a day and what was going on in his own democrat convention for the fbi.

i point these things out because if you are a young person where apparently if your journalist and don't know history and you report on the president of the united states and what someone like joe scarborough or something like that that we've lost balance of power the president is out of control and a dictator and abusing power i think to myself -- how? the media covered up for these other people and they are manufacturing the pseudo- event about trump even look at the investigation that took place with bob mueller. all documents, no privilege, separation of powers battle between trump and the congress and you must fight it to protect the office of the president and the executive branch. it's a legitimate battle. they refuse obstruction because he's doing that. pete: why were they coming up for previous presidents was it patriotic duty -.

mark: they like their agenda and covered up for franklin agenda because they liked his agenda. franklin roosevelt went after the media. in fact, to the extent they were getting telegrams with western union and so forth to see what some of these news operations had been saying. roosevelt but one of his operatives head of the fcc and changed the licensing rules for radio for two years when you had to re- up to six months. he put the squeeze on them to make sure they did quote "-right-double-quote the right thing. pete: did not like nixon or reagan. mark: exactly right. nixon was impeached for was the thing he inherited from johnson and kennedy. he paid a price and they did not. if you are pushing the progressive agenda and if you like you they will take after you and even bill clinton took a long time for the media to latch onto what he had done and his lies under oath and what he done

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♪ ♪. mark: peter, thank you for coming. pete: what an honor. i can't believe we made it happen. this hour has gone way too fast and we just crashed the service. if you are watching, mark levin, i read all his books and i can't say which one is my favorite because they all are but this one is a topic that is top of mind for everyone. what is the press connect what is the future? you answer those questions but i want to take the prerogative to ask one more. what is the future of the free press of america? mark: the decision between free press and the media that is most

of the current news outlets is bleak. the way they disrespect their audience in the way they deceive the american people and the way they's opinion with news and the way they treat the american people -- i think we will have a renaissance and that is the goal here. a national discussion, journey just like the colonists did you need to grab hold of our constitution and our first amendment and freedom of the press belongs to us and they will be other outlets in technology the internet and so forth in different platforms that will be technology in the future. i say hold on, ladies and gentlemen, be critical of what's taking place in our country and undermining our republic and on the other hand create opportunities for others and other technology so i think freedom of the press and we will see a renaissance in the mass media today i thank you will see their self-destruction. pete: you are taking on the

media with on freedom of the press. fantastic book. i know it will be number one just like the other one. no doubt. mark: god bless. see you next time on "life, kristinchris: i'm chris wallac. we're live in new hampshire where 2020 candidates are making their case and responding to the gop's big moves on abortion and immigration. >> our proposal is pro-american, pro-immigrant and pro-worker. chris: the president rolls out a merit based immigration plan that goes beyond building a wall. and alabama passes the country's toughest abortion law. >> when you make abortion illegal, it doesn't stop abortion. it just stops safe abortions. chris: we'll discuss how the recent moves will affect democratic plans to take back the white house in our 2020 sit-down with presidential candidate senator