"the story" goes on tomorrow. hope you will join us. tucker carlson coming up next in washington, d.c. have a good night, everybody. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." america's border control system is collapsing into dust. lawmakers from washington are doing nothing about it still. now the crisis has gotten so bad that the border patrol is transporting illegal immigrants deep into the united states and then simply leaving them at bus stops. trace gallagher has more on this developing story tonight. trace? >> tucker, in the past seven months, ending in april, the border patrol in just the el centro sector has apprehended 293,000 migrants. that's a 400 percent increase from a year earlier. and because housing facilities are overflowing and because of legal limits

on how long migrant children can be held, border agents are now loading migrants into vans and buses and driving them 150 miles away to a greyhound bus station in san bernardino. we saw the dropoffs firsthand in san bernardino last week. the migrants are released pending court dates but you, of course, the vast majority never show up for court. critics say the migrants shouldn't be dumped at the bus station with no resources. but migrants interviewed by reuters say they feel safe in the u.s. and retreated well by border agents. remember, el centro is one of nine sectors along the u.s.-mexico border and it's like this at all of them. customs and border protection calls the situation both a humanitarian and operational crisis. meantime, about 30 miles from san bernardino, an unknown number of migrants flown to the border patrol facility in marietta, california. some members of the community were quick to stand in front of the border patrol gates to let the migrants know they were not welcome to stay.

the residents say they heard the migrants would eventually be dropped off at strip malls and bus stations but the myriad of police now say none of the migrants are being released. though it is very unclear where they will go next. tucker? >> tucker: that is the question. trace gallagher on that story for us. thanks a lot, trace. >> yeah. >> tucker: take three steps back and assess what you just heard. federal agents are dumping thousands of illegal aliens at bus stations and then simply walking away. they don't want to do it. they have no choice. congress won't help them. our system is in total collapse. nobody is even trying to protect you or our country. kirsten gillibrand is a u.s. senator and democratic presidential candidate. she thinks what is happening is just fine. on sunday, gillibrand went on television to explain that we have no right to detain illegal immigrants. instead they should be released directly into our country. >> but you oppose even what the obama administration did

in terms of keeping families together or keeping them together for a longer period of time in detention? >> i wouldn't -- as president of the united states, i wouldn't use the detention system at all. >> homeland security saying hundreds of thousands of people are crossing the border and they need to go somewhere where before their asylum claims are actually heard. what would you do with them. >> they don't need to be incarcerated. if they are given a lawyer and given a process, they will follow it. >> tucker: it goes without saying that functioning societies don't operate like this. countries that care about their people enforce their own laws. our leaders are decadent and narcissistic. they care only about themselves. they will never defend our nation. that's obvious and the rest of the world knows it. the american piñata has been getting pummeled for decades and now it has finally come apart. our national wealth is up for grabs by whoever gets here first. they are coming. over just the past year. 1% of the entire population of the nation of guatemala

has moved to the united states. "wall street journal" piece last month described the plight of that country's villages. some of them are literally depopulating as people stream north to america's generous welfare state. meanwhile a new study from the federation of immigration reform fair given exclusively to this show shows the scale on which the united states is being plundered. every year fair found foreign born workers send about $150 billion in remittances to their friends and family overseas. that's more than the g.d.p. of 18 american states illegal aliens alone are remitting $28 billion a year. that's $28 billion leaving this country, going abroad every year from people who don't even have a legal right to work here in the first place but are and are benefiting, of course, from all the extras free healthcare, free education subsidized housing, food stamps, who knows what else? the remittances are not taxed. in the calsz of illegal immigrants working under the

table their original earnings have never been taxed either. so this is a disaster. but it's not a natural disaster. we have could have prevented it with a wall, mandatory everify, remit tant taxes and efficient deportation process you could fix it. it's not fixed because congress doesn't want to fix it. just today hud secretary ben carson faced a hostile reception on capitol hill, why? because he dared to sthawg illegal aliens should be ineligible for public housing. watch this exchange with congresswoman carol malone of new york. >> mr. secretary, the d in hud does not stand for deportation. i am afraid that a recent proposal of yours will bring nothing but despair to thousands of american families by throwing children out of their homes and what is your plan to take care of them? >> if you read the rule carefully, you will see that it provides a six month

deferral on requests if they have not found another place to live. and that can be renewed two times for a total of 18 months, which is plenty of time for congress to engage in comprehensive immigration reform so that this becomes a moot point as does the daca situation and 100 other things. >> tucker: secretary ben carson joins us tonight. mr. secretary, thank you very much for coming on. >> thank you. >> tucker: as you well know congresswoman malone called your proposal, quote, despicable but it's my understanding it's illegal for illegal aliens to be living in public housing in the first place, is it not. >> that's correct. section 214 of the housing and community development act of 1980 specifically states that the secretary of hud is prohibited from providing housing assistance to people who are in the country illegally. and what people sometimes don't understand is that we

have millions of legal americans in line waiting for these very scarce resources. what congresswoman and many others also don't realize is that we have provided a mechanism whereby people who are affected, illegals who are affected and can't find housing can have delayed action for six months, which can be renewed twice for a total of 18 months, which, of course, is plenty of time for congress to do its job. so, you know, for them to suggest that i should break the law, what is the real implication? that we can just pick and choose the laws we want to enforce and embrace? of course we feel sympathy for people. of course we don't want anybody out on the streets. but, the real thing that is hurting people is our failure to address this immigration system. the rules that are drawing people here and keeping them

here and so unfair to american citizens paying taxes and working here. we take in 1.1 million people legally through our immigration system, which is far more than any other country and let that system work. it can't work when we have perverse incentives drawing people here. >> so we have hundreds of thousands of americans sleeping outside every night who are homeless and they are everywhere. >> absolutely. >> and you are telling us that there are many thousands of illegal aliens living at public expense and public housing and congress has some concern about what's -- i mean, why would that be a concern at all? foreign citizens breaking our laws, why wouldn't we spend all of our time and all of our money and energy worrying about americans living on the street? >> well, you would think we would do that you know, whenever you get on an airplane and initial announcements they say if there is an emergency oxygen

mask also drop down put yours on first and then assist your neighbor. obviously we need to take care of our people. it doesn't mean that we are not compassionate people. it means we are logical people. let's take care of our people. i'm very happy. i told congresswoman and others if you can find a way that i can legally do what you want me to do please tell me what it is. i'm all ears. >> tucker: how did she respond? >> changed the subject, of course. they don't seem to want to deal with the ideal that congress is the one who makes the laws. instead they would rather just say to you why don't you break the law? so that we can feel good about our selves? why don't they do their jobs? that's what they were elected to do. the american people have a real choice to make here. they need to decide what kind of people do they want representing us? and it can't just be somebody whose name you recognize. it needs to be people who are willing to roll up their

sleeves and do the tough things that need to be done in order for our country to prosper. and when our country is prosperous, i think we can then turn our attention to some of the other countries and see what we can do to help them. but we need to get ours in order, first. >> tucker: so congresswoman maloney is pressuring you to break the law. she is a lawmaker, she could try to change the law. she is not bothering. isn't that prima facie evidence that she is not a serious person? that's buffoonish. >> it is very sad. it would be nice if she were the only one. but, there are many who feel that way. and i don't think they have really thought through what's going on. they just allow themselves to be caught up in the moment. they wants to be popular. and they are not thinking long term about what the impact is of what they are doing. they are not thinking about our children and our grand children and what they will have to face.

it's just what makes me look good today. >> tucker: i have noticed. secretary ben carson, thanks very much for that. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: bob cowell is a resident of marietta, california where an unknown number of legal migrants recently were brought for processing. where they now are is open to question. he joins us live tonight. bob, thank you very much for coming on. >> we love you, tucker. >> tucker: thanks. and we're glad to have someone from california right on the front lines of all of this giving us an account of what is happening. so people brought to your town, where are they what do you know? >> they are felony in from el paso sunday evening, sunday afternoon. and brought up by bus from brownsville airport in san diego near the border.

to murrieta 60 miles north. that's my town. and for processing there. the processing takes 24, 48, 72 hours. we don't know exactly. but, they are there without -- with one toilet basically, they have, i understand, from the sources that i have that there is tuberculosis there, scabies and other things that are right now in our community. these people go through processing. i'm sure they are great. some of them are great people. but then they get, i understand, a bus voucher and they go down to their -- i was told that they are taken to the local mall, are a neighboring town, and they can take a bus anywhere. we suggest that they go to a sanctuary city like los angeles, like cher's home or san francisco or portland

and not murrieta. >> tucker: can i stop threw? >> yes, sir. >> tucker: just for our viewers now googling your town who aren't from california they are discovering you nowhere near the border. you are nowhere near mexico. >> no, we are not. >> tucker: why are people being flown and bussed to your town? who thought of that and what's the point of it? do you know? >> yes. well, there is a border patrol station in murrieta. so there is border patrol agents there and we thank them for that we love our station there. that station takes care of the i-15 corridor. they do a lot of drug best u. busts on that highway. and a lookout of these -- catch at love illegal aliens on that highway. so, they are there for another purpose. they were actually about 10 miles north of that. they had a border check point exactly about 60 miles or 50 miles north of the border by law. i think they could have that we do have those in the

united states. border station is legally there. >> tucker: it's just interesting they are being flown from texas to your home town have you or anyone else in the town been consulted on this? has anyone asked your opinion on this. >> no. actually we found out this by inside sources that i can't divulge but it's been confirmed by the police chief of murrieta that they are there. i was confirmed by a border patrol agent, senior one today that i talked to that, yes, they are there. so we know that they are there i have been told there is 105 of them that this is not new. they actually have been coming in since 2014 when we had thousands of demonstrators out in the street in the town. i don't know if you know about that. >> tucker: i do. i suspect maybe more news from your town. i hope you will keep us posted on what happens.

bob kowell thank you very much for that update. >> sure, thank you. >> tucker: thank you. a rising per certain damage of americans, including a majority of young people say that socialism would be good for this country. why would they think that? we'll investigate the latest numbers with victor davis hanson after the break. ♪ ♪ just one free hearing test at

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being results oriented. are you cringing yet? you are not? those sound like good things to you? we have got bad news, pal, you are a racist. a white supremacist. that's a lesson being taught in new york city's public school system right now. the chancellor of that school system richard koranza his monday lit thickly school system a hot bed of racism. unknown but doubtless enormous amount of money forcing his administrators to attend workshops where they are warned about the hallmarks of quote white supremacy culture. those are the words we just read to you those are white supremacist ideas. this culture includes all of the things we just named but much more. according to koranza if you disagree with him at all. you are fragile, you are of course a racist part of the problem.

demoted entirely because of their skin color. so it turns out koranza is right. new york city is racist and he is the reason why. we have more on his rain of terror this week. it's a fascinating story that hasn't been covered much. it should be. and of course as i said we will. rallies across the country the president declares very frequently that america and socialism are completely incompatible. we are alarmed by the new calls to adopt socialism in our country. tonight we renew our resolve that america will never be a socialist country. >> tucker: america will never be a socialist country, says the president. it's hard to imagine this a socialist country but if you are having trouble imagining it maybe because you are old. the number of americans who

think we should bring some socialism into our system is growing. and mostly young people millennials are entering adulthood with more debts, worse career prospects and far left hope they will be able to own their own homes and get married. many are giving up on america's economic system entirely. a new gallup poll finds 43% of all-american adults think that, quote: some form of socialism would be a good thing for this country. among those aged 18 to 3457% support socialism. a shocking number. victor davis hanson a senior fell at the hoover institution. he joins us now. thanks for coming on. this is not the only poll to reach this conclusion. what's your reaction? >> a couple of things. i think that ignorance. public school system. popular culture. they glorify it as a fuzzy

wuzzy robin hood taking from people who really didn't build that and give it to more deserving victims. they never tell you socialism is more than denmark or sweden that it ultimately ends up like venezuela and cuba. and because it's contrary to human nature it requires a degree of coercion. pretty scary. three great murders. hitler, all had socialism in description of government. also, tucker, we had 10 years from 2007 to 2017 as you alluded to have flat economic growth. this new generation piled up a trillion and a half dollars in student debt and they prolong their adolescence. it was a life of julia or pajama boy culture. they did not have children. they did not marry. they did not buy homes. those are all the traditional stimuli that make somebody take the attention off them selves and on to somebody else. their conservative stimuli. finally i will be frank with

your viewers. i think the republican party did a very poor job and they are the traditional stewards of market capitalism of explaining why market capitalism creates wealth and makes all our lives better. they embrace a couple of positions. open borders is your first segment showed drove down the wages of working americans it impoverishes it. then they redefine free trade as unfair trade. so when the entire midwest was hollowed out it was a callus message to the fracking fields or china is getting us cheap stuff that we can afford even if we don't have good wages. it will make us leaner and manomeaner and more competitive. never any empathy or compassion free market capitalism is the only system that works. we have to have protections in place to protect the working classes. young people we didn't do that as republicans and

conservatives we are at fault, too. >> tucker: so when you get poll numbers like these, 57% of young people say they want something doesn't that suggest over time in a democracy you will get the thing that people want? are you worried about that? >> well, we see it -- well, tucker five years ago bernie sanders was a joke and now he is a serious contender for presidency. that proves your point that's what's happened. we are discussing a wealth tax now, at least the democrats are that has been rejected throughout europe as something that destroys wealth and initiative and yet why would we even consider it. the whole premise of the green new deal is socialism. yet we have mainstream candidates that embrace it not because they believe in it because as you say they think there is poll data that suggests support, especially amongst young people. it's sad because history suggests every time you go down this trajectory and you think you are going to get something for free and

humanitarian and virtue signal somebody decides coercion and authoritarian suggesting that doesn't work and we don't want to be a part of it. that's in our futures if we are so stupid to go down that pathway. >> we seem to have given up on the idea of unlimited free speech. that's a bad sign. professor, thanks very much. good to see you tonight. >> thank you for having me, tucker. >> tucker: well we live in an age where feminism appears to be everywhere. interesting light of that new survey finds the happiest women in america are married, religious, conservative, and traditional. how did that happen? we will tell you after the break. ♪ ♪ ♪ run with us. on a john deere z500 series mower. built to mow better, faster. because sometimes...

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>> tucker: the "new york times" piece over the weekend reported a very

unwelcome piece of news in our woke political age. turns out across the country research shows the happiest women aren't the most progressive liberated ones. instead, they are married, religious, conservative women this is a group that reports consistently the highest quality marriages, the happiest lives in america that's what researchers found. "new york times" readers were enraged to hear about this. they had unleashed a torrent of bitterness. mostly on twitter. in so doing they bolster the report's findings, of course, they are not aware of that. they live in irony free world. tammy bruce is independent women's voice she joins us tonight. >> hi, tucker. >> tucker: two questions. one were, you surprised by this and two why would they this make people angry? >> happiness is a subjective thing, right? we all have a different perspective. different life experience. and i don't like organized religion but a woman of faith and that gives me -- it helps me get a

perspective separate and beyond myself. which inevitably when we go beyond ourselves we end up being a little bit happier in life. it makes sense to me. that's a wonderful thing but, i am not surprised because, really, even when i was on the left and what we see now is liberalism is a religion. liberalism is a religion that of course relies on people being unhappy and bitter and miserable and jealous and it makes you inhappy and envious of other people who maybe don't believe the way do you but then of course you are a blasphemer. and this is what the left has a problem with. if you do not agree with their line or their narrative of what's important, you will be shunned. you will be punished and that's -- those are the things that they complain offer people, right? and they don't see it. they don't realize their own misery and anger at people being happy whether it's because of their faith or not, who knows?

maybe they are comfortable enough with themselves to feel comfortable with god and an entity beyond themselves. they don't know. but the rage that we saw confirms the fact that the left itself a religion that has no tolerance for anyone else. >> tucker: but a religion that feeds on are rage and that makes people unhappy, what's the appeal you have that religion? it sounds like the dumbest religion ever invent you had? >> look. this is a problem with who the left has attracted. i come from the left. i know why i was attracted to it. i grew up in a different scenario. grew up somewhat poor. my mother was not exactly necessarily meant for motherhood to some degree. and it was a difficult childhood. >> tucker: yep. >> you grow up with an expectation that things are not good and that you must fight for yourself and that there is victimhood. and then that becomes, of course, you get elevated based on your victimhood. that become the the thing to strive for in a way.

then there is saviors and other people are going to save you it appeals to some degree the damaged and then what we should do in life for me it was therapy was being able to recognize that damage and move beyond it, be able to transcend that beyond community and extended family the leftist leadership preys on people who have been injured and they rely on that damage to move people forward. cults do that as well. look at that owe cultic behavior. it's disappointing and sad but, of course, it's quite telling with the state of certainly leftist politics today in the democratic party in particular. >> tucker: why do they care how other people live? i'm always struck by this. i don't think if you were to poll people in the most right wing county in alabama on brooklyn. people in brooklyn deeply care that somewhere in

alabama somebody disagrees with them. why do they feel the need to control other people like that? >> well, if you have got people as an example who are happy, it's a reminder that there are other ways to live. that it's a reminder to other people that you can make different choices, that you can actually look at other ways of living your life. that there are more ways to live and more ways to be. and that's a threat you can't have people thinking there are other options for me to live. there are other options for me to find a way out of what my situation is or a way to find happiness or remind people that happiness is possible and that something beyond ourselves can actually enhance and illuminate your life and remind you of the glory of life and to be grateful for it and the difference between let's say the middle ages and the modern age the fact that happiness is a choice and it we can choose to look at things in a certain way.

that's a threat to the side of politics that relies on fear and suspicion because it's easier to organize you when you are afraid. >> that's a really good point. tammy, great to see you. >> thank you, tucker, i appreciate it. >> tucker: thank you. in the middle of an abortion rally today lori who runs planned parenthood made a remarkable claim. restrictions on abortion she said are, quote: not just an attack on women but an attack on anyone who can or might get pregnant including transgender men and gender nonconforming people. got that? laura mcquaid, who runs planned parenthood says that men can get pregnant. huh? how does that work? ntsb made made the same claim claiming a man delivered a baby. keep in mind no man in history has ever done that

seems like a big story. it seems like all of a sudden it's happening everywhere. men delivering babies. what has happened? has biology been reordered? no, in fact, it's still true it, will always be true that only women can bear children. what has changed is the left has decided to impose its fantasy life on the rest of the country. to do that they must get the rest of us to lie about science. amazingly most of our leaders appear happy to do that to go along with it. we are not going to go along with that not because we begrudge people their fantasies because reality is worth defending. well, around the world millions of christians live in fear of genocide. many of them are killed by governments aligned with the united states. how did that happen. we will report on what is happening to christians in the middle east after the break. just one free hearing test at

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>> tucker: the american invasion of iraq was sold to america as a chance to bring democracy, freedom and pluralism to middle east. instead for iraq's christian community large and thriving it brought death and persecution. today iraq's christian community is a tiny fraction of what it was in 2003. nobody ever says it, but it's true. what happened in iraq is now happening in countries across the region and around the world. a new report warns that in many places treatment of christians is approaching the level of genocide. president of the iraqi christian relief council and senior fellow of the felis project joins us tonight. thank you very much for coming on tonight. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: give us a sense because it's one of those subjects that nobody in this country covers as you knows of you who the christian community in iraq is doing 16 years after the invasion?

>> during 2003 we were one and a half million today the asyrians and -- been reduced to barely 200,000 people. many have lost everything including businesses homes, their churches have been destroyed and many of them are losing hope because really their own community is unable to protect themselves. either at the you know iranian influence is skyrocketing throughout the -- extremely worrisome. >> so, the many figures the united states who push that war haven't said anything that i have seen basically about the death of the entire christian community in iraq and american churches have also remarkably said virtually nothing about it. why is that do you think? >> >> we are trying to be politically correct. we are not being bold to stand in the face of this.

frankly what we have been going through since have you seen in 2003 and 2004 is nothing new. our community in the middle east our christians have faced this for over 14, 1500 years. i believe tucker what has pushed this at least a little bit more the world is talking about this is because of the savagery of isis was put on display through social media. social media really has become a dangerous medium for radicals who want to use it. >> it would be nice if bill crystal or john bolton would apologize i think. you were recently in iraq and you brought back photographs that illustrate the condition of christians put some on the screen. what are we looking at now? >> well, we are looking at the church that was blown up in mosul, saint george. we are looking at the businesses that have been destroyed. homes that have been completely destroyed. schools are destroyed, tucker. there are -- the community has been really the fiber of

the community is destroyed out of 1 and a half million barely 200,000 left today it is genocide is not just about spilling blood it. is destroying our community, our history. our history is thousands of years old before christianity today we are really left to fend for our selves. very little help is starting to come from the u.s. and the world frankly has turned a blind eye. the church as well as other governments. which is really sad to see. >> tucker: it's shocking. finally i have to ask you at syria the assad family, whatever you think of the assad family presided over a country in which christians had space to worship and were not killed. what's the situation now for christians in that country? >> in just a few years ago out of 1.7 million, we are down -- the christians in syria are down to 450,000. really syrian community

split. how they can rebuild their lives and live in peace. what happens different parts of the world some places other places the country is exporting terrorism like iran. so, i think our government really needs to step up be bold and take the right measures. we as american people should thought put somebody who is anti-semitic, with anti-semitic rhetoric in congress remember, tucker, it's first saturday people and then it's sunday people. >> tucker: christians in the middle east should be a concern. those are our allies in the middle east and they should be a concern for us. >> indeed. >> tucker: thank you very much for the work you are doing on. this thank you so much for this opportunity. >> tucker: vastly more powerful 5 g networks are now being built across the country. they will make your phone faster. is it safe? that's next.

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>> tucker: across america tech companies are rapidly building the tech structure for 5 g phone technology. 5 g tech networks will be far faster and powerful than current setup. so far most of the debate on 5 g has settled on china and whether state run companies have too much influence in this strategically important field. there is another, even more basic question that is yet to be answered are 5 g networks safe physically medically safe? there is some debate about that? dr. mark siegel is a fox news medical contributor and he joins us tonight for an answer. doctor, are 5 g networks safe? >> tucker as far as we know yes. we don't know the long-term risks. coming to a street lamp near you. right? 300,000 of them are going to sprout up in the united states and preliminary

studies from national toxicology program looking at 2 g and 3 g look like it can possibly cause heart tumors and brain tumors in rats. not people, mind you, rats. but change cells in the brain cause ringing in the ear. we don't know the long-term health risk and i'm not willing to take that off the table since 5 g is closer to you. it's faster. and it's higher definition but it doesn't travel as far. so i need to see longer term studies on this. >> tucker: but before those studies are available we are building the infrastructure and doing it anyway? >> typically, yes. i also want to point out, you know, as you said at the beginning there is a trade war going on here between the russians and chinese and us. the russian tv is trying to scare us. i don't want to come out and say i think there are definite health risk. and not only that i want to tell you medically this is a huge home run. 5 g has very high definition which means we are probably going to be able to operate

robotically, that's right, robotically from other places in the world, finally remotely, robotically, telemedicine a lot of advances in higher definition. tucker, we should are been studying it already. latest study in rats make me want to see more and more in humans at the same time. i don't want to lose this trade war but i want more medical studies. >> tucker: so the concern would be radiation coming from the antennas on street poles or would it be from our phone or where would the risk be if there is a risk? >> that's a great question. and i think in this case we're going to be talking more about the transmitters because, remember, the phones we already have that problem. i don't think the increased radiation from 5 g in the phone its sufficiently is what bothers me. actually, 5 g doesn't penetrate as much as 3 g and 2 g. you know, but the towers are going to be much closer to

you and transmitting all day and night. so i. them studied. that hasn't been studied. there is going to be a lot of them prouding up. i'm not talking about cancer, necessarily. i'm talking about preliminary changes to cells in the brain. you know, not to mention what we have talked about previously on this show is which is more and more technology means more and more teens not talking to each other which means more and more depression and anxiety. we have that problem, too. we need to study this and study it fast. >> tucker: dr. marc siegel, thank you for that. >> thanks, tucker. >> >> tucker: technology gets more sophisticated every year and dominates our lives. at the same time technology seems to be eroding our society and our happiness. would it be possible to adjust technology so that it improves our lives and our society? rather than degrade it that's the question that tristan harris studied. the director and co-founder of the center for humane technology and joins us tonight. thank you very much for coming on. >> thank you for having me.

>> tucker: so, what would it mean to take control of technology to make it improve our lives rather than not destroy. >> not downgrade or ruin our society. the problem that we are trying to name is that we don't have a name of connected system of effects. shortening of attention spans, addiction, polarization. outrage of course of politics, call out culture. teen isolation, mental health, these are all connected issues. because there is only some human attention out there, right? it takes nine months. finite race for finite resource and the companies have to get more aggression to gets that out. short simple measures mean. moral outrage for every moral outrage you add to a rate it inhe is creases retweet for by 17%.

if you say it's abominable. it gets attention sour own society feels it's going craze at&t once. it's helping with facebook and google and everything else. the tech industry has to get people addicted from getting attention to other people. this is what crated influence culture. now you have teenage girls who have to have more followers and likes and beautification filters 55% of plastic surgeons last year in a survey bun patient teen girl who wanted to look like snapchat beautification filter to get surgery. this is a connected system of harms that we think of almost like out climate change of culture. frank luntz actually calls it that. wee call it human downgrading. while we are attracting people of people we are crawling down to upgrade the machines if downgrading. and there is a better way to do it. that's why we are trying to

capitalize this transition. we are a group of former technology insiders who know how these protects work and are designed and we know we need to change the incentives. >> tucker: why are you one of such a small group of people even imagining a world where we could have control of technology and not the other way around? why are so many of us so passive in recognizing what is happening. >> every recognizes this is happening, tucker. everyone feels it. it's harder and harder to read a book and have a civil conversation. it's harder to feel good about where we are spending our time and how much we are looking at our phones. i think what we need is language. we need to have language for what is happening. i think when you have phrases like out race tout bottom of the brainstem to get o. tension out of people. it helps people see there is a problem. what we have seen by given language for something we have got be advocates. last year mark zuckerberg

adevelop thed of well launch. apple and google screen savior these are tiny steps of what needs to happen. apple is almost like the government. if they wanted to, their business model is not maximizing how much you are hooked to your phone. they just have to get you to buy it every two years and they could change the design to be more like a g.p.s. that is just taking you out into the world to the next life experience. if you think about it-like the pointer much the g.p.s. isn't to addict you. sitting there fiddling it or taking you some where you wanted to go. >> tucker: it's a tool. >> technology should be about that. it can actually be a g.p.s. for our lives. we are identifies laft you had it can help us makes easier pois. make it easy to set that up. easiest choice to make is keep scrolling infinitely

mindlessly. flip out men yoi around. raise awareness how can we change this around? >> tucker: interesting. very quick, does apple open to this? that sounds liked fastest way to major a huge difference. >> yeah. i have think if more people apple. youtube business model maximize the watch time stop doing that their stock price is directly hooked to that but, honestly i think even with the case of youtube we might have to ask them to completely turn off recommendations when you understand what it is doing. you wonder how you get a christ church or radicalization. it's tilting the whole playing field radicalizing directions. that's another conversation but apple really. >> tucker: i agree with that. >> apple though is again the one company whose business model could be about helping people protect their sovereignty and protect their minds and free will. >> tucker: tristan, that's the most hopeful thing i have heard from a long time. thank you for joining us tonight.

>> thank you for having me, tucker. >> tucker: you too. we are out of time. back tomorrow 8:00 p.m. the show that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness and group think. a lot of bad things going oned in the world. the good news is it is a pretty interesting moment. sean hannity from new york right now. >> sean: welcome to hannity. we begin tonight, the walls are caving in around the deep state. tonight, we can absolutely positively report a pivotal document release is only days away. we're talking about transcripts, specific transcripts from the fbi top surveillance of the trump campaign, george papadopoulos and george carter at the height of the 2016 election. papadopoulos will be here in a moment to preview this major development. he used exculpatory language and we have the tapes and transcript