someone in battle so if you join fox nation today when you join $ 5 will be given to the folds of honor foundation. griff: see you tomorrow. jedediah: happy saturday. neil: all right well it's a good time for the president to be out of the country, because nothing is really getting done in the washington part of this country. both parties, where each is pointing the finger at the other we, in the next two hours, are going to try to wreck any tie this situation, you're welcome, america, we're going to try to get both parties on the same page it's just what i do. it's just what our panelists are doing working memorial day weekend, welcome, everybody i'm neil cavuto, you're watching cavuto live a beautiful day in midtown manhattan and also looking for beautiful prescriptions for political ills the president, as you know, is in tokyo. there was a mild earthquake there overnight. everything and everyone is all

right, but it's just a reminder of some of the risks of traveling abroad. we are getting a sense too that the president is looking forward to this trip not only for a planned golf outing tomorrow but a wrestling event he would be the first united states president to while traveling on foreign soil go to a wrestling event and that alone is worth the price of admission so around all of that and we're also keeping track back and forth about where possible impeachment proceedings could begin, and now last week we were talking about this they looked extremely unlikely and now increasingly looking likely. we're getting more detalls on that meeting, that nancy pelosi had with democrats, that might have galvanized or at least driven her to the point where things started agitating and the president agitated you know what happens so we're going to try to go behind the scenes and find out exactly what happened and also talk to louisiana republican senator bill cassidy on where he sees republicans right now in the middle of all of this, but first i want to get the latest from the white house. that's where you'll find our

garrett tenney. reporter: neil good morning to you the president was clearly looking forward to this trip to japan but this week he had a lot of back and forth with house speaker nancy pelosi and that was clearly still on his mind, as he departed the white house for japan on friday. president trump: right now, we are, i'm only speaking for myself. i want to do what's good for the country. i think nancy pelosi is not helping this country. i think the democrats are hurting our country, very very badly. we can pass so many different bills right now, but all they want to do is investigate because they failed with robert mueller and the mueller report. they want a do over of the mueller property. it doesn't work that way. >> this latest clash between the president and the speaker started when she claimed this week he is engaging in a cover up by not cooperating with house democrats and investigations into him and his administration and this comes as pelosi is

facing growing pressure from women in her own party to start impeachment proceedings against the president. something that top democrats are pushing back on, this idea that there is any division within the party over how to move forward, they argue, they are simply doing their jobs by carrying out these investigations. >> we're also responsible for doing oversight of this administration, holding them accountable, making it clear that no one is above the law including the president of the united states, and ensuring that we get the truth and that we prevent the president from continuing this ongoing coverup. reporter: house democrats are pressing forward in their investigations of president trump and late this week judiciary chairman jerry nadler said negotiations are underway to have special counsel robert mueller testify before congress, though he says mueller wants it to be in private so that his testimony does not turn into political specatacle, neil? neil: garrett thank you very much in washington. let's get the read from the left and the right, republican

strategist and nate learner here , senior digital strategist. nate, i was mentioning that was there a possibility that something changed in that meeting that nancy pelosi had with democrats? i'm sure she knew and suspected many are pushing for impeachment , maybe in greater numbers than she appreciated, because she came out of that meeting, talking about a cover up and all of the rest, so what happens there? >> well i think democrats are simply at the end of their rope trying to conduct oversight over the president which is congress' job, they are trying to hold investigations to dig deeper into the mueller report. mueller clearly left it open as to whether or not the president committed crimes and it's really difficult when you subpoena members of the trump adminitration and they ignore the subpoenas. that's illegal. it's really frustrating when we subpoena documents and they refuse to provide those document s so how are democrats

supposed to do their job when that keeps happening so they are at the end of the rope and running out of options so that's why impeachment is still on the table and nancy pelosi is getting frustrated and calling out president trump for conduct ing a coverup. neil: i read the mueller report. i'm no lawyer, so a lot of it went right by me, a lot of allegations, a lot of witness testimony and all that i get it but was it a leap and is it a leap for nancy pelosi to come out and said there's a coverup going on and would that be reason enough for the president to say i don't know why the heck i'm meeting with you we've you've all but indicted me now. s. yes, neil you've got to look at the fact that i feel like you do not, you're not encouraged especially right now, the democrats are not really encouraging bipartisanship. one of the number one things they should be working on is something like the infrastructure, which you know, the meeting because of the press conference that nancy pelosi.

neil: but the president adjourned that meeting. >> he did but he's got to look at -- neil: would he have been better off just going through with it even though he's clearly ticked off but go through with it because a lot of people appeared to be like -- >> it probably is but in the long short of it i think after a two-year investigation that he feels like he's been vindicated, he's tire of it, but this is, there's a bigger problem in d.c. the constituents and the people that voted for a lot of their, for the democrats, that they elected, they're not getting full service for that vote, because there are many issues that they believed in, while campaigning. neil: i don't know why they can't work on two tracks though and i understand the president getting annoyed and if someone had all of a sudden just taken it as a fact that i've been covering up or whatever, you might as well begin the impeachment proceedings now and that's a question i have for you nate. why not just take the leap if there's enough information there , you're convinced that the

president covered up, you're convinced the house judiciary chairman nadler that there is obstruction of justice, then why not take the leap to begin impeachment proceedings? >> as i said i think it should absolutely be on the table. i trust nancy pelosi's judgment on this. i trust the leadership with the democrats on this. i think they want to, the idea was to continue investigations and investigations make a lot more sense than impeachment but if the president does continue to make these investigations impossible, often by breaking the law and refusing subpoenas then yes that's why impeachment has to remain on the table. neil: what do you think of this? >> but why is it front and center? why does she have to call a press conference and say this? why couldn't this just be, you know, a private meeting, to say what she feels about this? we all know that president trump is very sensitive to media, he's going to respond. he's not going to sit by. why would nancy pelosi call a press conference and then say that, and then expecting to go

into the meeting business as usual. she knows better and if she is good at what she does calling press conference, to say, you know, that she believes which we don't, i don't think it's true, but she believes that there is a cover-up, why would you even call a press conference to do that? what you need to do is to try to at least get along a little bit to try to get infrastructure. neil: do you think that this relationship though is beyond repair? do you think the way both have been acting toward each other makes you wonder if anything gets done now? >> no, i think as we've seen, donald trump has gone up and down with democratic leadership. neil: and so has democratic leadership. >> exactly, so -- neil: it's like separating my teenagers. >> at the end of the day they both have a job to do and they recognize their duty is to the american people so hopefully we'll see progress on infrastructure. i love to see progress on healthcare. neil: we do agree on a lot. the prescription is there. guys thank you both very much.

i know you had car trouble so i very much appreciate it. we deliberately said that let's mess with a liberal and see what happens so anyway we've got senator bill cassidy joining us on the phone beautiful state of louisiana and some of the things the senator wants to see done on energy and particularly with an infrastructure plan that might involve energy, very important to his state where of course natural gas has suddenly become a big issue and energy, healthcare, you name it. the senator was kind einto if to join us on the phone. senator very good having you. >> hi, neil, thank you for having me. neil: let me ask you, sir is it your sense that the two parties can put aside the friction it's building over this mueller report and subpoenas back and forth and judges rulings and the rest, and get to work on some of these issues, which they do have common ground. >> i think we can but i think the president is right in the sense that the democrats have to move beyond this idea that they're going to bring the

president down with the mueller report when the mueller report says there was no collusion, and i think the president understands unless they are able to move off that it's going to be very difficult to do many things that the country needs to have done. neil: but senator do you think it's a good idea for the president to keep ignoring subpoenas? the legislative branch does have a constitutional right and authority to investigate these and follow-up on these. in fact you could argue mr. mueller and the report was advocating them doing so, so do you think he helps his cause when he kind of tells everyone around him don't talk to these guys. >> i think that the congress perogative should be respected by and large so let's just look for example, the subpoena of his irs report that has nothing to do with anything except getting to go after the president politically. by the way i saw at the gym the woman was saying on msnbc, as

complex as those reports are going to be, it's going to be easy to pull things out of context and use it as a political weapon. now, and does that further the ability of congress to work with the president for importance to our country? absolutely not. neil: but it sounds like you are oh, there is a difference between requesting tax records and requesting people to testify before your committee. i can understand your tax thing but just having witnesses appear before let's say the house judiciary panel that's kind of a separate issue. do you think the president should stop fighting these subpoenas, allow them to speak if some of them want to speak behind closed doors, fine but that is inviting a constitutional crisis right there, right? >> it is and i think it would be wiser for the house to be tempered in what they request as

opposed to again playing out this mueller report after mueller said there was no collusion and i think it would be tempered upon the administration in terms of how they negotiate these agreements. i think barr actually attempted to make a good faith effort to do it and they wanted a public specatacle with somebody cross- examining them so i think that there's room for both to move to a ground where it doesn't happen. neil: do you worry, senator? we can argue, whether the president deserves all of the credit for the strong economy but we blame president when it's a lousy economy so it seems only fair, and yet with that strong economy, with record low unemployment, in states like pennsylvania, state by the way the president won, he now trails joe biden by some 12 points and now it's early on and you'll always remind me of that and we know that about polls but that does seem out of whack with an economy that is booming there, doing very well there, and if the economy can't help republicans in swing states like that, he's similarly trailing in

michigan and wisconsin, are you concerned? >> it is early. no contract has been drawn with, for example, joe biden and the obama administration. the obama administration would go crazy, if gdp growth was 1% in which we had stagnation and those at the bottom were being left behind. neil: well to be fair to barack obama, you know, everything was melting down. i covered at the time we were losing 1 million jobs a month. i'm saying looking back at that and where we came from that i think fair is fair in comparing statistics, right? >> that is but that was 2008, and so eight years later, we were still stuck in that and people were describing the new normal we were going to lose manufacturing jobs and typically when the recession is deeper, the rebound is more robust. instead you found a deep recession, with a very anemic re bound. neil: well you know, you raise a

point you could say it took a good eight or nine years after the depression to see it come back but leaving that aside do you worry though about it? the fact that americans, for example, a healthy majority don't think that they got a tax cut when seven out of 10 of them actually did and i'm wondering now, if there's a disconnect. they're not either seeing it or appreciating it, and maybe added to all of this other stuff. it's not helping your party. now, you're right. that could change but is it a worrisome start to events? >> that is the reason we have political campaigns. that with the mainstream media since campaign highlights and they highlight their own event but i think there's so much to the republican party to highlight to our advantage. neil: all right senator thank you very very much. and i will try here. i know much has said of the mainstream media and all that. i just look at the numbers. it's not a left or right thing

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neil: a beautiful day here in new york, not such a beautiful situation going on in north korea where the north koreans are saying, you know, until you cool it on this disarmament thing we are cooling it on any chance for talks. now the president is in japan that issue no doubt will come up and the japanese are in harms way there, not too far from north korea, so it's in their vested interest to echo the point, continue these negotiations, and try to get them to denuclearize, that is proving a lot easier said than done, let's go to former ambassador of the united nations , bill richardson. what do you make of this in pass now and it was a bit of a change that the north koreans who earlier talked about disarming

are now saying not so bad. what's happening? >> well the north koreans are trying to get negotiating leverage over us. they're doing their typical fiery rhetoric threats and saying their deadline at the end of the year and stop negotiations and continue their nuclear development, they're violating united nations resolutions by shooting those short range missiles, which by the way, japan is vulnerable to those, so what we're concerned about, right now, is why can't we get some negotiations going? the north koreans won't even meet with our negotiators, steven began, whose a capable guy, but this is how they negotiate, neil. they bob and weave, delay threats. about the only good thing i see is that the threat came from the foreign ministry, as opposed to the spy chief, and i have found the foreign ministry types much more flexible, so that's about

the only good sign i saw out of this impasse. neil: you know, you dealt with the north koreans, before you've get with them and since in between the trump adminitration. i'm wondering whether they're just stringing us along and the president has done everything he can in his power to reach out to kim jong-un to try to find a workable personal relationship that can develop into something more substantive on an agreement here but no matter what approach we take, we seem to be stuck in the same position. what do we do? >> well what we do, what i would do is a compromise but one that is good for us. look north korea said they are going to denuclearize. they're never going to do it because they don't want to end up like saddam hussein. neil: we already told them they won't be. do they just not believe that? >> they don't believe it. they have a real mentality that we want to destroy them even though things have gotten better

so i think what we need to do is not necessarily meet them half way. all right, north korea get rid of some of your weapons some of your missiles, let them be inspected. in turn, you'll have some sanctions relief. now the sanctions are really hurting north korea. i think that's very evident. this is why kim jong-un went to hanoi to get some sanctions relief. he still doesn't look good with his people, by not, by the summit blowing up and no sanctions relief so there's bob bing and weaving, and i think what we need to do is be patient the president should not keep tweeting about kim jong-un being such a great guy, just let his negotiators try to do the right thing, and get a compromise out of this. i think it's still achievable and in the best interest of the world. neil: well there's no negotiat ing going on for the time being so we'll see what happens. sir very good seeing you. >> thank you. neil: all right, former

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president trump: last year for the first time in a decade the united states was ranked the most competitive economy anywhere in the world, during that year, our economy grew at 3 %, and if the fed didn't raise interest rates, frankly, it would have been much higher than 3%, and the stock market as high as its been would have been at least, i think, probably anywhere from seven to 10,000 points higher. neil: i don't know about the seven to 10,000 points, but many have argued that the fed over shot things with the hiking rates and the fact that the fed is now talking increasingly about maybe cutting rates by year-end, does add a little bit of credence to what the president is saying, of course he is consistently gone after the federal reserve for tightening, for reversing this quantitative easing where the federal reserve was buying up any treasury note or bond it can get its hands-on to keep rates down near zero certainly throughout his predecessor's

administration that he thought that the fed should share the love. of course things are beginning to change and that president is insisting he doesn't like the change but nevertheless the economy is still the strongest on earth right now and it was a little reminder the japanese who used to hold that title that they no longer hold that title right now. let's get the read on all of this from jackie deangelo, we've also got charles payne whose well just a star. he's putting up with all of that and the grief that comes with it charles, we'll begin with you, what the president has been saying that we'd be doing a heck of a lot better i don't know about 10,000 points better but a heck of a lot better had the fed not hiked rates. he makes a good point there that those hikes were a little over-the-top in more than retrospect was necessary. charles: you're absolutely right and i think jay powell agrees with him although he can never come out and say it but certainly that december rate hike felt like it was just unnecessary.

neil: and that led to a market collapse? charles: we had a serious meltdown in december that we were on the verge i think of tipping into a recession unncesssarily, but it goes back to his speech on october 3 that jay powell gave and he was a little flipped about everything some call it a crook it mistake he just took over that position but the start of the market was tumbling and kept tumbling and ironically i think the most intriguing thing any federal official said this week who said the fed should cut rates to maintain credibility which is an interesting thing. neil: you know, jackie i always wonder say the fed were to do this. i'm in the camp that some people might get nervous, right? they might say gee what does the fed see that we don't see. >> and that's the problem right four rate hikes last year might have been a legal aggressive especially since interest rates were so low and the economy is just coming back the president implemented corporate tax cuts, deregulation, it's definitely helped stimulate things but low rates also help stimulate things as well and i think when you talk about rate cuts, people step back and say does the fed

know what it's doing? they raised four times last year and now they have to cut again isn't it better to take a slow and steady approach and i think that's what powell is trying to do but maybe if you want a little bit too far last year now he does have to walk it back a little bit. neil: go ahead charles. charles: the fed raised rates nine times, the first time was december after his election and that was the first rate hike under obama so nine total but there's a new mindset out there i'm not sure if the fed shares it but there's a new theory that why does the fed only come to the rescue. why shouldn't they help prime the pump and help us go from 3% to 4% gdp and by the way both sides of the political aisle are seeing different things they want to do because any entity out there that can raise $4 trillion out of thin air prints that money it's a very enticing vehicle for both parties so there's a new, there's new theories that if the fed lowers rates it's not because our economy is in trouble but because they want to give it an extra boost.

neil: there's always been a pavlovian response any up-tick in activity is just a matter of time before it's inflationary now there seems to be more flexibility on the fed not to react, but they still sub skype to the view that if you get more i think than 2% inflation you've got trouble, charles was among the first to report we can live with wage growth, north of 3%, and not suffer for that but i suspect that's going to take a while for the fed to to redome trine ate itself. >> i think it is and powell is trying to tow the line and taking it very carefully, similar approach we saw from janet yellen as well and i think it's really important to your point, charles to look at all of the theses of the economy together, the fed certainly has, you know, a big role to play in that, and for so long in his rates were low and the stock market rebounded from the great recession, you know, we're just getting out of that. this was a tipping point.

the president could have saw his economy go downhill from here or take it to the next level and make it a 20 year cycle it remains to be seen exactly what's going to happen but to say that what we're seeing in the stock, they're completely separate the president shouldn't have an influence and he shouldn't . the fed should act independently but all of these pieces are all working together. neil: you know, five down weeks in a row with the market still an up market on the year are you worried? charles: i'm not worried, because it could have been worse , and that's how i look at it, i look at the may 13 sell-off that's a number i'm looking now for the holdup, but buyers have been emerging and a lot of sessions where without headlines the market actually finds a way to rally higher so i feel like we're in pretty good shape but there's a lot of headwinds out there that are going to keep being speed bumps. neil: these headwinds are political too. jackie wasn't even born at the time but when ronald regan and you know, tip o'neill were going

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for a long period of time. she's not the same person. she's lost it. neil: all right, that went well. it was that kind of week for the speaker of the house, the president of the united states turned into jabs back and forth with each other but the bottom line is that nothing gets done right in this environment and normally, wall street for example, loves gridlock because well nothing gets donald they can't add to spending, unfortunately we've got this massive debt which just by osmosis is growing at about $1 trillion a year clip so you ought to do something about that so this could stall any activity on the debt and the debt ceiling and a two-year budget plan that looked promising only 24 hours before this back and forth between donald trump and nancy pelosi, but you know, it's interesting. we have been through friction before, featuring a speaker of one party and of course the president of another, ronald regan comes to mind with tip o'neill and that started out as a bit of a fractured

relationship but ultimately a very productive one, and historian remembers it well, burt people forget that it is possible for two opposing sides to get stuff donald that was a pragmatic relationship, fed on each one's desire to move forward and look good to their own party, and these two found a way. how did they do that? >> well they did because they had a common interest in the welfare of the country, and what they both thought were the welfare of their political parties too. for example, on tax reform, which was one of the most famous examples where reagan and tip o'neill worked well together, reagan as you know, neil, managed to get the top rate cut from 70% to 28%, and that opened up a tremendous amount of business innovation and expansion. neil: but how did he get tip o'neill to do that? he had the added quandry that maybe nancy pelosi doesn't have of having as many as 60 so-called blue dog democrats who

owe those voters exactly like republicans so he had to keep them in line and then still working with that. nancy pelosi doesn't have that, so you can make the argument that she has very real or even, to work with the president on a practical basis. what do you think? >> right you're exactly right. remember phil graham was a democrat. neil: that's right. >> so o'neill had pressure within his own party to compromise, to work with reagan, to get the tax cuts accomplished and nancy pelosi is quite the opposite has pressure coming from the other end to raise tax rates, we're even hearing talks of getting the rates back up to 70% so if president trump doesn't have that aspect of the relationship that gives them both incentive to work together, and in fact the two are cut from a different cloth. nancy pelosi is a retail politician, who likes to dole out subsidies for votes and

influence. trump is a businessman. he wants to fix thing, think big , get things done. neil: i'm wondering if this is more theatre and i always liken it to professional wrestling where they assume positions, but they don't really mean them and many times i go down to washington and talk to, you know , various members of the parties. they're slapping each other's backs and laughing and meeting up at the capital grille what have you and when the lights come on or they pes renear a microphone that is suddenly, i'm going to rip your throat out, brother so it's crazy stuff so i just wonder if there's more theatre and the two sides are more in agreement on key issues like infrastructure, cheaper drug, healthcare reform and then we give them credit. >> you may be right, 20 years ago you wrote that president trump was "crazy like a fox." i think you see some of that in there. in other words he will expound some heavy rhetoric but he's

perfectly willing to compromise if they can work. neil: look what he said about the north korean leader, he was rocket man and all this other stuff and then they had this budding relationship and the same who knows could apply very soon to the iranians so he is pragmatic at his core and i think nancy pelosi could be but we are knee deep as these things get earlier and earlier every cycle in election year. do you have any sense that they'll make progress on just a couple of the issues we mentioned, infrastructure, healthcare, any of that stuff? >> the infrastructure for example, has tension because nancy pelosi, for example, likes that california high speed rail that is so unprofitable. it is so debt-ridden because it provides favors to constituents. it works well for constituents even if it's not working very well for the general public. president trump doesn't want to have anything to do with that high speed rail project. he sees it as inefficient and wants to see more private

sources come to the aid of transportation and infrastructure, so there are fundamental disagreements but i think you're right. there's a lot of theatrics involved with this as well. neil: burt, i talk to a lot of trump supporters who argue you're forgetting the silent vote out there, that didn't say they were going to support one way or the other donald trump, and obviously, it may be the industry all state that did get the election in his favor, they point to elections we've seen in australia and india, where pro business counted in some parties one in the case of india, one big so they say it's still happening and it's going to happen again. what do you think of that? >> i think that that very well could be true. i think president president trump is in an excellent position in his re-election bid as you said in the last segment the economy is running very well the debt problem is real, it is there and i think if president trump is re-elected he will definitely turn attention to that in his second term. neil: we'll watch it closely burt, always a pleasure, burt fo

lsom, historian, and this being memorial weekend a lot of people focus on three days to rest, and all of that. i tend to focus on the food part of it. i also focus on the barbecue part of it and also on the people who probably make the best barbecue in the world. one of them is here, he's a legend uncle jack's steak and meat house and he has a secret sauce that i'm told is guarded like the gold at fort knox but i'm going to find out and i'm going to get him to tell me exactly what it is. after this.

neil: all right it might be beautiful here where i'm coming and broadcasting to you from midtown manhattan but it is anything but in parts of the country that have already had serious storms you name it and

rick richmuth with the very latest. hey, rick. rick: finally it's nice across the eastern seaboard, and towards the north east can enjoy this memorial day weekend not across a lot of the rest of the country. take a look at the weather map and let me show you what's going on. we have clear skies all up and down the eastern seaboard and down across the southeast it is baking that high temperature controlling the southeast is not letting the moisture move that way keeping our storm track there across the central part of the country, we saw severe storm s yesterday we'll see them again later on today and again tomorrow and with all of those severe storms it's bringing a lot of rain. see that little purple area with spots that are seeing 8-12 inches of rain and this is on already really saturated soil so the flooding pictures coming into us out of kansas and oklahoma and missouri and arkansas have been very extreme, and unfortunately, more rain to come in, a really widespread area that has got flood watches and warnings going on and then you see all of those little green lines those are rivers in flood stage and the arkansas river is going to be watching floods likely that we haven't

seen in fact one area looking at a flood gauge that's going to go four feet over its all-time record flood. it's going to cause incredible amounts of damage and through the day on monday, this is how much precipitation is going to fall. we'll see spots there, 2-4 inches of rain and then through wednesday into next friday, or saturday, more rain comes into the same area. none of that rain makes its way down across the southeast. that's the rain here is the severe weather today's severe weather across the panhandle of oklahoma, texas, western oklahoma and now stretching in across places towards wichita we'll see a few tornadoes again today and tomorrow that severe threat almost in the exact same spot. extends farther to the north so we have severe weather, flooding threat and then neil the last story if you're from the southeast you know what i'm talking about temperatures are baking the temps feel like they are mid 90s but feels like mid july for everyone, been this way for the last week. it's going to stay this way for the coming week this is way too early to have these kinds of

temperatures. maybe nice across the beaches but it is going to be tough to be outside. neil? neil: man, 95 degrees in atlanta that's incredible. thank you rick very very much, rick richmuth. all right, this is the weekend a lot of people break out the grill. i'm not that great on stuff. i mean, my family always frets when i unwrap the grill and try to cook hamburgers and they're burnt to a crisp on the outside and raw on the inside. apparently i've been cooking wrong all these years and this guy is going to teach me how to get it right but not before i eat everything that he puts on that grill.

neil: all right, welcome back everybody. it's memorial weekend you know what that means, food, barbecue,

grilling, and you know, i love all of the guests on the show today, but i've got to admit i'm meeting an idol here, and someone who has got this down to a science, and cooking on the grill, just right. you know him as willie degel, you know him from the restaurants at jack's steakhouse , i'll get my hands-on that puppy but it's so good to meet you my friend how you doing >> no problem, neil, pleasure to be here so these are the secret seasonings. it's salt and peppers from all over the world, nine different flavored peppers everything done in one jar for you, sprinkle it on everything. i use it on everything basically this is the blend. neil: okay. >> looks good. neil: do you put that on the meat before the grill? >> i put it on everything before the grill. it tastes good. it's healthy. it's good for you so today we got some burgers, our custom blend, short rib, chuck and briskett all natural, grass-fed beef, a lot of fat, 75% meat, 25 % fat, more fat more better

you've got a fred flynn stone here i'm cooking for you. neil: and you were the guy that came up with that? >> yeah, 25 years ago, i went there and they used to cut this bone off and use it for short rib. neil: no way. >> so let's leave it on it's theatrical. neil: i see. >> when it came through the dining room everyone would see that long bone. neil: a for presentation. >> actually women order it more than anybody. neil: is that right? get out of here. >> i think that it's the long ness of the bone. neil: well it's a family show but the fillet that's a big fillet. >> that's a 15-ounce set of cut prime fillet, again 1,800 degrees infrared broiler so here get your grill on super hot get it going know your grill well, right? and you've got to get your meat to room temperature. don't take a cold piece of meat and throw it on the grill because it'll react different and get tighter. neil: here is what i do with it and i screw it up all the time my family dreads it when i grill because they are like hockey pucks and inside the meat is raw

what am i doing wrong? >> okay so you want toucher your steak. you see the steak? it's charred and when you season it well the fat rises to the top and it sears in the steak and then you want to move it off the temperature. neil: when you first put it on, this is medium or what would you call it? >> this is a normal household grill you could buy at home depot. neil: but the flames are medium high? >> they go high. you adjust the grill. what i do is one hotspot and then the rest is more medium. char it off nice. neil: for a couple minutes? >> three to five minutes depending on the thickness of the a steak. if you want to cook a steak a two inch cut because it's l always stay juicy, never over cooked. neil: flip it on one side, two minutes on the other? >> three to five minutes, flip the and then rest it here for your temperature so go easier off, so now what happens with steak is the temperature is in the meat so while it's resting it's still cooking and the juices and the enzymes are

breaking down so if you want to undercook on the grill always is best. neil: it'll still cook when it's off. >> see this a 16-ounce strip so you try that one side that steak will be medium rare, donald the cut fillet is a little thicker. neil: fillets are more tricky because there's no fat. >> fillets have no fat, a lot of women like it, it's super tender. if you want a full-flavored steak more flavor and textures you go with the strip so if you like a lot of fat you want the rib i because it's wrapped around with the ring in the fat and center in the middle. neil: what do your customers go for for the most part? >> these are some of the signature items. the meat house is more like an american bar and grill, you get every aspect of meat from burger s, sandwiches, choice steak, prime steak, colby, american, and then also jack's steakhouse, it's a little more higher end, so most people there go for the porterhouse for two but in astoria queens, the fred

flinstone, that's dry aged right in front of you in an aging facility and the chef will cut it, bring it totable and set you up tableside. we're famous for the hanging bacon, a hickory smoked chipotle blaze, five cheese mac, nice big burgers all hand crafted, each one with different toppings, gigantic oh, my god it's huge coconut cream pie. neil: is that what one of the slices looks like? >> yes. neil: if you'll do desert today i'd rather sell three or four unique deserts hand crafted from scratch but it feeds everyone and that's what eating today is and its always been about gathering with friends, family and enjoying it. neil: you still greet each of your customers? you're a rock star. >> welcome to my house. neil: very good. >> so you're in my house. neil: and you're a fellow virgo. >> [applause] neil: it's my food. don't get any ideas. >> sharing is caring. neil: i know, i know. we're going to be back in a little bit. we'll be tasting some of these

goodies here. you've got this, you got the spices and the sauce we're going to find out a little bit more about that and what keeps them coming apparently it's not burning meat, like i do. more after this. ... hey rick, all good? oh yeah, we're good. we're good. terminix. defenders of home.

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changing soon. the continuing effort, republicans and democrats, to help make we could solve this crisis where they don't talk to one another or call each other's name. a half a world away the president of the united states is in tokyo, a busy few days. my favorite moment of the world is when he's going to a sumo wrestling match. john roberts can correct me, if i don't believe that a u.s. president has been in a sumo wrestling match. >> i don't know the answer specifically to that question, but we'll check it out. it's a beautiful day where you are. it's a beautiful day here in japan where it's now midnight and supposed to be a beautiful day tomorrow, when president trump willen -- will engage in some golf course diplomacy. as any golfer knows, very often more business gets done on the golf course than ever gets done in the board room. later on, the president will be going to the sumo wrestling

championship at which he will hand out the president's trophy. it's about four and a half feet tall and weighs almost 70 pounds. the big program is on monday, when he has the imperial business with ito and that ushers in a new trend in japan which translates to beautiful harmony. that's what the president is hoping for, a bilateral meeting with shinzo abe, the prime minister, talking about north korea and they'll also be talking about iran. obvious, supposed to be going to iran sometime in june to visit with president rouhani and it may be he starts to formulate the basis of a dialog between the united states and iran through a back channel. japan has long had good relations with iran. trade the big issue, and went

to the u.s. ambassador's resident and met with japanese business leaders about trade. >> with this we hope to address the trade imbalance, remove barriers to the united states exports, and assure fairness and reciprocity in our relationship, and we're getting clos closer. >> on his way out the door, on his way to the marine one helicopter and going to andrews so he could come here to japan, the president talked about giving the attorney general, william barr, sweeping new powers to declassify materials that were related to the genesis of the 2016 russia investigation and whether or not the trump campaign colluded with russia to throw the 2016 election. this is what the president says. >> we have documents now that i have declassified for the purpose of the attorney general. he can then show them to the public, do whatever he wants to

do with them, but you have to get down to what happened because what happened is a tremendous blight on our country. >> the president says he wants full transparency, he wants the public to know what happened in 2016 which led to this russia investigation. he said, quote, let's see what happens. his critics believe giving the attorney general that sweeping power could potentially politicize the process and one of the points, too, neil, the president wants the attorney general and james budurham, the attorney for connecticut who will be heading up the investigation, wants to look into what involvement the u.k. might have had in all of this, what involvement australia might have had in all of this and what involvement the ukraine might have had in all of this. it's likely to come up, too, when the president meets with trees is a -- theresa may in the u.k. although she doesn't have long as prime minister, i don't know how much will get done there.

neil:. in this environment it's hard to see the two sides on anything, when it comes to infrastructure they're kind of on the same page. and that's something that the california congressman john garamendi has been stressing, arguing for quite some time that the republicans and democrats can make progress. congressman, good to have you. >> always good to be with you, neil. neil: two things, are you good at grilling? because i've discovered apparently i keep my meat on the grill way too long. do you have it down to a science yourself? >> actually i'm pretty good at it, but i must tell you that my nieces and nephews are much, much better. they grilled food for 800 people at a recent event we had. neil: holy cow. >> 800 people in 40 minutes. i like to follow along and be the arbiter of how good it is. neil: i'm very good at tasting, congressman. >> me, too.

neil: cooking is debatable. i'm learning, i'm learning. let me talk about the environment in washington right now when the president abruptly canceled the meeting on infrastructure, a lot of people said they'll never get back together and we say all day who is to blame, and the president all of a sudden when nancy pelosi claims he's covering up and that's high crimes and misdemeanors, and that would warrant em impeachme-- warrants impeachment. what do you think? >> we have very, very important work to do. anybody that's travelling know that our airports are out of date. our bridges can and have fallen down, the roads are filled with potholes. we have congestion everywhere. the transit systems, we have an enormous amount of infrastructure we need to do and didn't even get to the new modern broadband systems, all of

that needs to be done. can we do it. neil: we can't do it without money and i think that's why things fell apart. we will, however, renew the surface transportation program at its present level, inadequate as it is, at least we'll get that done. we have the water resources programs, that's for flooding for the dredging of various channels and locks and rivers and things of that sort. we'll do that, but to really move the country forward, it's going to be a very, very tough go given the current situation, however, there is a very strong desire on both democrats and republicans to get on with it. perhaps we can do it without the president's immediate involvement. we'll see. neil: well, and that's a tall hill to climb, but let me get your sense about where nancy pelosi met and for all i know, you were involved in that meeting as well on thursday because she came out of that meeting very different than she went in. not only saying about the

coverup thing, but it seems to me, congressman, that more members than she thought were of the impeachment mind, to go after the president, and begin impeachment proceedings. are you for that? >> well, i'm for a process, i'm for a process that gets the information out there. we have the mueller report, the ten instances where mueller gives information that the president may have obstructed justice. we really need to get into that, do the hearing, see what develops. neil: may have obstructed justice and saying that the president is covering something up. i read the report and i'm not a lawyer, i didn't see that in that report. and i wonder whether she took a leap that genuinely ticked off the president to the point where, well, if you think i-- you know, i should be impeached, if you're saying that i committed high crime and misdemeanor, which a coverup would be, then why are we negotiating? you want my hiney out of there. >> i think there are

intermediate steps here. clearly the president said no one, none of the subpoenas will be honored. in some sense, that is also a coverup as the congress tries to get information. so, perhaps she was referring to that, perhaps she was referring to the stormy daniels situation. i'm not sure. i was not there and have not talked to her what she meant. neil: do you think the president has covered it up? >> well, in the context of not providing information and not allowing the congress to get the information from individuals that we have subpoenaed in that sense, yes, theres a coverup, in the sense that he is stonewalling. neil: but that's not the definition of a coverup, right? >> well, i think coverup is a word of art, not a legal definition in criminal law. and so, i think there is a difference. it's used in many, many different ways. the stormy daniels situation, if i'm not mistaken, somebody's gone to jail already on that one. neil: you think there's plenty

there-- do you think it would be wise if these insinuations and accusations are going forth, why not leap to impeachment hearings and force that and then you can't-- beyond subpoena, they have to acknowledge that and start testifying that there is a freedom that comes with an impeachment hearing that allows you to force the issues. it seems that the democrats are dancing on it and going both ways, and not going too far for fear that they're chasing balloons and genuinely getting something done. >> well, i think it's a question how do we get to the information we really need. we need to understand the details in the mueller report and there are other issues out there. as long as these subpoenas are not honored, there may be no option, but to begin an impeachment inquiry which does give somewhat more leverage. it is not clear, however, if there is actual more leverage in an impeachment inquiry rather

than where we are. i just don't know. again, the courts are going to play a major role in this and that's the time consuming and there is a lot of concern about the passage of time here. neil: all right. speaking of time, if i can leave you with this insight, congressman. >> sure. neil: no more than two minutes each side for the steak when it's on the grill. i learned that, not ten minutes that i've been doing. apparently that's what creates a hockey puck. >> how hot is your fire. deep in mind how hot is your fire. neil: congressman, have a wonderful memorial weekend. thank you very much. >> you, too. neil: gridlock, when two sides aren't talking to each other, that's gridlock. in case you think that wall street shrugs its shoulders and sells off in the middle of that. think again. the environments when neither is talking about each other, and they're actually good for

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>> all right. a beautiful day in midtown manhattan. this memorial day weekend is on everyone's mind, barbecuing and with the family and all that. we'll do a lot more of that in the segments to come, but in the meantime we're in gridlock in washington where two parties aren't talking to each other. some don't know. i have italian relatives that haven't talked for decades and ask you ask why, they don't remember why it happened. it's not bad for the country. we get drilled in our head it can't be productive. wall street kind of likes that, in a split government environment where it's tougher to get tough done, the markets do better and this dates back to 1950, through 2017, that in a gridlock environment where you

have the party in the white house under one control and the house and/or senate under another control, stocks do better. that's the history. it doesn't mean you do that shabby when it's all one party with a run of the table, but it's better when it's split. what to make of that with charles payne and i find that's revealing. >> i think it's interesting when you look at the numbers and infrastructure is a great example, right? we've sort of come to a standstill with respect to that. the republicans say if we move forward on the infrastructure, it's good for the economy and stocks go up. others argue it could be true, the deal may not be a great deal. there may be a lot of waste involved in the deal as well. when it comes to the market, it's the factor of uncertainty and the markets don't like uncertainty and that's why they're so worried about the china trade situation, so we can sit back and not really doing anything. and we'll look at great rates and trends in the economy that are strong.

>> you know, you and i were talking about this earlier, charles, but i could make it and understand stuff not getting done, but a couple of things that have to get done. we need to do some of that, we're getting close by the end of the summer and of course, this great fanfare around a two-year budget deal, something unprecedented to sort of smooth out these crazy, you know, wrinkles that we get when we're close to the brink. so you can make an argument. i think that's one thing that markets would like to see done to remove the uncertainty of that, but it doesn't look likely now. what do you think? >> it doesn't look likely, you never know. although the last government shutdown, the market went through the roof. neil: it did. >> it went through the roof and you go back and it's actually going up more often than not when we have these shutdowns, but there is something about, you know, i think a lot of folks just like the idea that they're not spending money to jackie's point. neil: you're spending money, just to keep it going. >> listen, the last spending

bill was gargantuan. and i think president trump thinks it's -- everyone rails against it. and in one sense wall street likes the status quo. tax cuts and regulatory cuts. as far as wall street is concerned, that's what government is good for. don't spend money on $5,000 wrenches. stick with those things. neil: think about it, one thing out of the tax cut deal and wall street the gift that keeps going, the lower corporate rates in particular, until they're reversed, they're in effect, year in and year out and they're going to continue to be, you know, to the markets. what i'm wondering, how long that continues? >> it's a good question and one of the claims that a lot of analysts are regarding china. if we don't strike a deal, the harm that can come for long trade tensions. neil: or go up to. >> it could start eating into the benefits we're seeing from

corporate tax reform. that's definitely one thing to watch, but i think the president sort sort of ranks things on his agenda. the things he thought he could get done he did for the economy with more long lasting results. if he can't get things done lower ranking, not lesser priority, but lower ranked items, then the market's going to look at it and say there still is a lot of positive here. neil: you know, you were one of the first to cite, charles, we were looking at the bang for the buck long before we lowered taxes, when the president removed a lot of regulations, that freed up capital for corporations long before the rates took effect. that the juice here, the combination? what? >> it's an amazing amount of juice and that's one of the things that folks on wall street are concerned about. listen, we know consumers are two-thirds of the economy, but the difference maker is corporation spending, that's been iffy except for intellectual property.

it may trigger something we've written off and signs that that could come back, but we need businesses investing in the country. neil: does it concern you that china could wait this president out? they're more bellicose in their talks. and the president said we're going to resume talks in two weeks and the chinese responded we don't know anything about that. i wonder if we've moved past the point where the chinese might be hedging their bets, maybe this guy isn't reelected and maybe keep this going? >> that's a possibility for them. i don't believe it's their first choice to be honest with you, their economy is it beginning to flounder and as much as people talk about this grand hundred year scheme, their ambitions were written in a plan called made in china 2025. that wasn't 2035, it wasn't 2050, it was 2025. they have grand ammunitions right now at this very moment and any stumbles, maybe they harken back and talk about the

revolution and opium worse and imperialist who knocked them off the greatest economy in the world not long ago, but that happens with keeping the public excited, but they've made economic commitments and they want to achieve them. i know xi wants to achieve them. neil: jackie, you travel the world and in some markets they're getting agitated. >> absolutely. everybody is concerned about it. we've become more global this terms of how commerce runs than ever. what's happening in china impacts us here and what happens here, virus versus is a. europe is worried about it as well. i think what's interesting to cap x, a lot of corporations are saying even though we have extra cash, we're waiting for the china deal to see what happens. neil: not going to commit it. >> we know what to do with the right strategic decisions. neil: thank you very much. and capital spending, which might be frozen in place if niece talks are frozen in place. we'll see what happens on that front and also an update on what's happening in the persian

gulf, 1500 more troops going to the middle east. we don't know exactly where in the middle east. we do know that they're going to be sort of a signal to iran to get its act together. will 1500 troops do that maybe on top of what's already there? after this.

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virtual american armada to keep an eye on iran with retired brigadier general. and a book, rebirth zero a sniper novel. thank you for taking the time. >> great to be with you, neil. neil: what do you think these 1500 troops are going to do? >> neil, these 1500 troops are a request by the central request by those who did an assessment and requested the troops to be sent forward and basically, they're missile defense. there's troops that guard the missile defense. there's intelligence collectors. there's signal operators and you know, his reference to some very talented people. they're all very talented people and hinting that he's probably got delta force seals over there to do some surgical things that need to be done, particularly in the southeastern part of iraq

where you've got the iranian special forces operating pretty much with impunity in that part of the country. so i think there's some surgical strikes that take place in the dark of night that we won't hear about and meanwhile, ballistic missile shield that we've already got over there probably reinforced and troops to protect them as we collect more and better intelligence. neil: if there are surgical strikes i'm sure we'll hear about it after the fact. i'm wondering what impact on russia and china trying to get iranian oil. what do you think? >> i think this is a big cause for some of the escalating tensions as reducing or eliminating the waivers on the sanctions and people who need that oil, want that oil and can't get it and it's economic warfare that, you know, is simmering into this locked horns

militarily and we're hopeful that it doesn't get into full-fledged combat. i think it's a preventative measure called flexible deterrent option that the united states is doing. you can send a platoon of marines or a carrier striker to send a message, to flex u.s. muscle and show that we're serious about peace in the middle east and securing the free flow of oil and commerce through the persian gulf. neil: you and i have discussed this before, general. and they're getting worked up about it, maybe they're thinking cooler heads will prevail or a slowdown. they're not worried, but should they be, worried that any moment something could flare up? >> i think that everybody is rightfully concerned. i don't know that people should be extremely worried about what's happening. i think what you see is the

administration with a steady hand on the till, leveraging the elements of national power, military, diplomatic information, economic and using them as appropriate to get the desired results to achieve strategic aim. i don't think there's anything rash being done. i think it's even-handed and levelheaded and we're trying to achieve, maintain relative peace in the region, however you define that in the middle east, and then we're-- of course, we're sending messages to north korea and china and other belligerent states that want to compete with us, whether militarily or economically. it's all about geopolitical positioning in the space today. neil: general, thank you, and more for your incredible service to the country. >> thank you, neil. neil: i think those on the left and right would have to agree. thank you again for the memorial weekend, remembering like you, they fought for this country, put their lives on the line.

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>> all right. what to do at the border. you might have heard earlier this week that a judge blocked the white house from defense funds for part of the border here and the wall, et cetera. another judge was effectively quashing the administration's plans to reallocate funds for purposes that were not allocated first by congress. it kind of gets in the weeds, something has to be done.

keep in mind it was jay johnson, the former homeland security secretary under barack obama who says there is a crisis on the border and emergency on the border and both sides should do something about it now. and the vice-president candidate, seth moulton. thank you for taking the time. >> good to be here, neil, thank you. neil: let's talk about what you would do at the border right now. the president feels no one is listening to him about the crisis there, that your party kind of dismisses it and doesn't agree that something has to be done, and we could be looking at the third month in a row at 100,000 migrants trying to get through and we're not doing much on it as far as united front. what do you say? >> well, i think we absolutely do need to do something and i'm a democrat who believes we have immigration crisis and you don't have kids dying in cages at the border and not say there's an

immigration crisis. and you don't have unprecedented number of migrants from central america and not saying there's not a crisis. but building a concrete wall that they're going to crawl over, and what the president is going to do is not the right way to go about it. we need to strengthen the ports of entry where the drugs are coming through. we need to address this unprecedented migration of central americans by going to the source. the president is trying to do the opposite. he's pulling foreign aid out of central america, rather than a border or a wall we all agree isn't going to work, let's target central america-- . >> how do you know it doesn't get into the wrong hands? we've been talking about aid to central america with different presidents and the problems comes up again and again and

again. and why do you think that giving aid to them wouldn't change anything? >> i'm not certainly we sunset do what we've done in the past. the aid to address this crisis, but we have a model in plan colombia, took a narco state and turned it into an american tourist destination in 15 years. there are certain ways to do aid wrong, neil, you're right. there are ways to do it right. we have a good model with colombia and what we should be applying to central america. we're not doing that in congress, not having that conversation with the president. that's the kind of thing that we need to do to actually address this crisis. neil: do you worry though. >> i was down to the border-- >> you've served our country, do you ever worry your party could be on the wrong side of history here, only, you know, kudos to you for acknowledging here is the problem, the crisis, but few in your party have said that.

>> look, i'm not here to speak for my party. i think there are a lot of democrats who are concerned about these issues, but we obviously have different approaches about how to do them. but my point is to focus on the solution. that's what we need to do to address this crisis. i went down to the border and spent time there not just on the american side, but the mexican side recently swell. we met with a group of deported veterans. think about that term, deported veterans, a term that shouldn't exist. a navy veteran who served on a navy deployer, got out, had a drinking problem and a dui, a problem that some of my colleagues in congress had, and did his time. when he got out he was sent to mexico, a place he hadn't seen since he was a child. his kids are american citizens and parents are american citizens and he has no family there. this is how the system is

broken. i didn't meet a single customs or ice official who said-- the system is broken. neil: to be honest, i think both sides are playing politics with it. be that as it may, can i get your sense of what's happening now with this latest chill between nancy pelosi and the president, the democrats and the republicans, you know, they walk out of an infrastructure meeting, no progress there, many are looking at this and saying, this is a preview to coming attractions. nothing is going to get done. do you worry that that will be the case and a democratic house will roux-- rue that and the voters will take it out. >> he's pushing around the propaganda on the internet making it sounds like we're in russia rather than--

>> you don't think she's done anything inappropriate. >> having a conversation with the president, nothing wrong with that. should be able to take that, and he says he's tough. neil: and do you think he's covering it up? you know, sir, that's a high crime and misdemeanor, an impeachable offense. if that's the case impeachment proceedings should begin? she's kind of danced on that. >> listen, if the president's not covering anything up, why is he not obeying any of the subpoenas? you know, disobeying a subpoena. neil: fair enough, do you think then impeachment proceedings should begin? that's harder to back away from. >> i do. neil: okay. >> there is a very good political argument why we shouldn't do it now and the speaker put that forward. we disagreed he's breaking the law by not following the subpoena, that's an impeachable offense and debating. i don't think it's a right time to call a vote on impeachment

because we don't have all the facts yet, but it's our duty as a congress to hold him accountable. neil: when you're saying the president is guilty after coverup and an impeachable offense and not want to go all the way to start impeachment proceedings. >> no, no, i do, let's be clear-- >> by not doing that, the democrats look like they want their cake and eat it, too, which is a dumb expression. if you have the cake, sir, you should eat it. that's a separate argument. what do you think? >> i think the right thing to do is have the proceedings and have the debate before congress and the american people and that's what we should be doing, our constitutional duty whether it's good politics or not. neil: good for you. congressman, thank you very, very much. we'll see what happens. >> thank you, neil. neil: thank you very much. we have a lot more coming up, including the fallout from all of this, if they just keep talking past each other. stay with us.

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>> all right. welcome back, everybody. neil cavuto reporting. a beautiful day in midtown manhattan. we're going to do all our shows outside, i made an exception snowing in the winter which can be a different environment. back with the republican strategist, big fundraiser, nate lerner on the left and left circles here and noel, this argument that nothing is go eth done and gridlock, we talked about that, how wall street likes that and all. normally i could subscribe, i get wall street and no more spending, but if there are issues, a two-year budget plans that looked so hopeful earlier this week and now not looking that way, that's not good. and i can't imagine that's good for either party. >> it's not good, especially with republicans, the whole reason i'm a republican is mainly because we're conservative when it comes to

finances. you know? on the economic side. neil: recent history notwithstanding. >> and the debt clock, sky high. it's not what republicans do, know the what we stand for, and super pacs, the club for growth, that supports low taxes and less regulation, you know, this is a concerning factor and nobody's campaigning on it and nobody seems to really even grasp it in their everyday life. as long as they have a job. neil: well, that helps. you know, nate, i also see it as a propensity on the left, presidential candidates on the left, maybe with the exception much joe biden at this point, spend, spend, spend, health care for all, without thinking about that. i'm wondering in that environment where there's a passion of the party, can a biden survive that? >> well, i think what's interesting, you know, you see the candidates to the left and

you see the very vocal left wing on media and twitter. the democratic party is certainly more in the middle. the popularity of biden speaks to the fact this is very much the democratic party that elected barack obama and bill clinton. neil: do you think it still is? >> it's shifting to the left. a good thing in my mind, we want to get more progressive, but a lot of times they're described as socialists and hyperliberal, that's 10% of the party. neil: some of the things that joe biden hasn't signed on and they want him to sign and they're gunning for him. >> he recognizes the practicality of it. he's a pragmatic liberal. neil: is there such a thing? [laughter] >> i think that's why he can have mass appeal to the party, and the mass appeal to the general election and he's not my

favorite candidate, but i think he's a good bet. neil: it's interesting and you could change and everyone reminds me of that, and for the time being it's clear that democrats want to win more than make a statement. >> sure. neil: which is a fine way to be. as a party perspective. will that-- >> i'd like to go back to what he said and parlay it into what you asked me. the fact that joe biden doesn't seem like a scary candidate because we know joe biden. we've seen how he governs. we know that expect-- if you're a democrat and you have joe biden as your nominee, you're not going to be in the unknown territory. you don't know what to expect about bernie sanders because we've never seen a leader like bernie sanders if he happened beat trump which i don't think anybody can. neil: well, he leads in national polls. >> well, i see that and i think the appeal for the democrats is the fact that they can go to sleep and wake up knowing they're going to be in familiar territory, not in unknown policy

and their jobs are going to go away and they don't know what to think of the next day after he wins. neil: fair enough. guys, we'll see. i think we have a little ways to go. but we have graphics and music to keep us going right through election day. all right. you know, this is a great weekend to remember those who have fallen for our country, but also, to gather as a country, whether you're on the left or the right and be with each other, and maybe have a barbecue. and that's what unites us, and this guy is the master at it after this. let's be honest.

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>> all right, the secret spice, the spices that you put on the meat. >> secret seasoning, put it on everything. neil: you don't think i'm going to give it back.

>> no, that's for you. neil: do you think i should give it back? all right, good, good. he's a maestro at this stuff and institution in new york and what to get right when it comes to grilling. i burnt food. you can't leave food sitting on the grill. >> you've got to watch it. we've got the fred flintstone, flaring right up. and now we've got the burger blended and you want it to shrink up, tighten up, plump in the middle. only flip it ones, don't overflip it. neil: only once. >> use your seasoning and-- >> don't take that from me. the burger how long does it stay on? >> three to five minutes a side. neil: that's it? >> i've been giving them samples and the crowd, how has the burger been? the steak--

where did that go? who knew that you leave the meat on there just a short time? >> i did. >> did you really? >> absolutely. neil: i don't believe you. i just learned it now. >> only one time. neil: all right, now, he takes the meat off early and lets it cook afterward? did you know that? >> yeah, you ever a he got to sear it. neil: they're meat experts. >> they've been salivating and eating everything and official tasters. i've got groop u-groupies here. neil: it's not a yankee thing, it's what you do. >> and she's ten and got the little bone. >> how did you do that? got the hat and he's trying to buy future customers. good, good, good. and when people look at it and it's the stuff that you do and how you do it, these are expensive. and you can't have any problem, right? i mean, that's wasted.

>> in the steakhouse business your broiler guy is your best friend because every steak is $50, $100, $250. neil: what's $250? >> the kobe beef. he's got to know the temperatures, that's well, that's soft, medium to rare. neil: i've seen chefs doing that and i know do-- you touch the meat and right, and you touch the burger, see how it gives, that burger is rare and this is more well. neil: how do you know that's rare? >> because it's soft to touch and you see the blood, look it, touch it, it's rare and now it's cooking up, it's shrunk, smaller and the fast and juices inside are working well and this strip is almost done. more like medium rare, this is still rare, so you move it around based on what you want. neil: to do the big steak, how long on the grill? >> they could be 10 to 15 minutes if you've got a two inch

cut. and five minutes. calm down your fire, your fire gets going. neil: how big is your flame here? . >> one on high, one on medium, one on low. i'm working the grill. if i'm sta are thing to overcook, pull it off and push it to the low side. so manage your grill, know your grill, riot? it's a relationship. neil: and you put the meat room temperature, don't refrigerate it. >> let it coagulate, let it break down and juicy. this steak, i could cut it up and serve. and this is too juicy, and i don't like to press my burgers. neil: it's dry. >> that's why a lot of people cook on a gritle plate on the grill. neil: why would you do that? >> releasing and holding on the fat. neil: you're not getting the little lines and-- >> they say you get a lines a

little bit. neil: i don't think that you even-- >> i like the smoky flavor and smoke and char. when you cover it it's smoking and charring. neil: you kept the grill open. >> only sometimes, you want to close it to get the heat hot. when you turn your grill on super high, get your grill super hot and ready to go. right? set yourself up for success, give it ten, 15 minutes to get to 700. and then put it-- >> business is booming? a good economy. >> they talk about the vegan restaurants open. i notice if you're an expert what you do and departmentize yourselves as well. the vegan places succeed and the true meat connoisseurs. neil: and why do they take a tofu turkey in the shape of a

turk. >> like christmas envy. >> thank you for coming out and joining us. this unites us, conservatives and liberals, we all light to eat. take a chill pill. >> this weekend no politics. neil: you're welcome. like berkley trilene xl or xt monofilament line buy one get one free. and bass pro freestyle spinning combos for under $30. you're smart,eat you already knew that. but it's also great for finding the perfect used car. you'll see what a fair price is and you can connect with a truecar certified dealer. now you're even smarter. this is truecar.

>> live pictures now of the names of over 58,000 men and women who made the ultimate sacrifice for our country etched into the black granite walls of the vietnam memorial here in washington. from the national mall, the vietnam memorial behind us, you can see people walking out. the world war ii memorial just a couple of hundred yards in the distance. nice to be with you for a special weekend edition of america's news headquarters this memorial day, i'm leland vittert. kristin: leland, it's great to