too! surrounded with family. >> sandra: i think i might be blushing. thank you for joining us. we will be here the rest of the week, we hope you are, too. "outnumbered" starts now. >> bill: we will catch you tomorrow. >> harris: before he kicks things off, we want to let you know what we are watching in terms of breaking news. celebrity attorney, former porn star attorney to stormy daniels, michael avenatti. we are waiting for them to arrive here in new york at federal court facing coast-to-coast charges per there is raiment coming up in the next few minutes. we expected at the top of the noon hour here on the east coast and we are on it when the story breaks. he will see avenatti walk into the courtroom. we think this will be the entrance he will take and we will be on it. keep watching. also right now president trump has returned to washington after his official state visit to japan. he is also returning to an ongoing political showdown with democrats, who are still debating amongst themselves over

whether to work with the president or open an impeachment inquiry. you are watching "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today, melissa francis. "townhall" editor at fox news contributor, katie pavlich. fox news contributor, jessica tarlov. in the center seat, former white house press secretary under president george w. bush, also a family friend and member, contributor, ari fleischer is here. good to see you! >> ari: good morning! >> harris: we've got a lot to talk about. the president made major news. we will catch up. i hope your holiday was good. tensions between president trump and house speaker nancy pelosi erupting late last week. after speaker pelosi accuses the president of a covert. reporting the allies are insisting he's winning in his feud with pelosi, but her backers say she showed up the president. okay. overseas in japan the president was asked if he can work with democrats while they push new investigations and allegations

against him. watch this. >> the democrats cannot understand what happened, they really thought they had some people on their side. as you know, the people doing the investigation were 18 extremely angry democrats, many of whom work for hillary clinton and supported hillary clinton. bob mueller, i guess you could say he was different of mine, but he was doing something that was the right thing to do. they were very disappointed. >> harris: during the president's trip, prominent democrats continued the drumbeat. michigan congressman rashida tlaib set her fellow democrats will eventually accept that impeachment is necessary. >> this is not about the 2020 election. it's about doing what's right, now, for our country. this is going to be a precedent we said when we don't hold the president accountable to the rule of law and the u.s. constitution. >> why do you think you can't convince a majority of house democrats that it's time to impeach him? >> i think it is moving toward that. it's going to demand it. it already has. >> harris: the answer might

have been because some of them are up for reelection. let's move on. but top republicans in the senate dismissing the impeachment talks, pointing out that the republican majority would stop the effort in its tracks. senate judiciary committee member tom tellis says this. "why on earth would be give a platform to something that i judge as a purely political exercise?" are you? >> ari: times like that you think the american people look at all this and say, "wake me up when you're done wrestling with each other." it's a type of thing that makes people tune out of washington and just say, "you guys can't do anything that's going to improve or help my life, all you do is argue. all you do is shout at each other." it reinforces washington's problems with everyone. >> harris: i think it's worse than that. on a day in which we saw storms across our midwest, more severe weather, it would be really nice if anybody could figure out some aid right now. and come together -- i'm serious, on one bill. i think it's worse than that. i think they make a people are going to grow angry over this,

katie. >> katie: i think that's true. i think this is not a new phenomenon. this is why you seen over the years the need and want and the passion for an outside force to come into washington and change things up, whether that's on the left of the right. that's why we saw the tea party movement in 2010, which eventually came to president trump now. but when it comes down to the politics of this, each side, you have to look at who is offering wet. the president can say on his hand he has offered a new immigration plan that reforms the legalized system, he offers an infrastructure plan, multiple times, the democrats. he has laid it out in detail, who would benefit. including union workers, which democrat would like in an election year. i do look nancy pelosi and what she is offering. she can't say, she's on the line of, "we are going to impeach, we are not going to impeach," while keeping her caucus happy but not going fully forward. she knows publicly that impeachment is not a good thing. one more thing, on the 2020 200 spectrum, if democrats are going to keep saying that they want to

unify the country, impeachment is not the way to do that. >> harris: one thing i would say is that she has been passing bills on her side. >> jessica: dozens of them. >> harris: they don't go anywhere in the center. so there is that. i would say this, it gets complicated for some cards when you see congresswoman tlaib try and defend impeachment when the majority say no. >> jessica: absolutely, you saw a piece of a leak in highlighting the key allies nancy pelosi has in her camp on this. ro khanna, katie hill, elijah cummings, hakeem jeffries, people hold a lot of power within the party, including the number two person the judiciary panel as well. i can't pronounce her last name, sorry, from california, as well. she has served long enough to be around for other impeachment hearings. nancy pelosi, i believe, is a new bid position. it's always difficult to manage a caucus no matter what side of the aisle you are on. an added benefit for her, capped

off with that video that came out friday night, the doctored video, chopping up her speeches and making it seem like she was slurring and drunk. the president promoting that video as well on his twitter account, which i think is absolutely disgusting. when people look at this, it's very similar to what happened with the government shutdown, that president trump got played and got angry. i think she's doing the right thing. >> melissa: first of all, with the passing bills thing, it's an interesting defense. because paul ryan said that forever. no one felt good about that. it makes you seem like you're willfully willfully spinning your wheels. that would be an achievement. the republicans held paul ryan to that standard for sure. i think what frustrates the american people is when -- it's fine if investigators want to investigate whatever it is. that is oversight. but when legislators fail to legislate, that's when you get frustrated. they are sitting there in talking about what needs to be

investigated, this, that, and the other thing, and you are like, "you are not currently doing your own job." which is to fix health care, to go down to the border and do something about the crisis there. people are dying. what you said, about what's going on in the midwest. it's fine if you want to investigate it, but that's why they are called investigators. legislators, do your job. legislate. >> harris: i would point this out, of the border -- i'm sure you are reading this, we will take a closer look at it at 1:00 p.m. on the "overtime." if the tsa begins to join the border agents because they can't fill those 2,000 to 3,000 job openings, to keep that line, that sovereignty, down there. you're going to have a nightmare coupled with some types of planes that will be flying as often. so this starts to get real complicated. the president wanted to work to give. here's what else he said he would work with them on. >> i think we will work with them. we have a usmca -- i would

imagine that nancy pelosi would approve that. i think it would be very hard not to, but we will see. certainly, as things get approved, i would love to sign them. it's good for our country. >> harris: a ari? >> ari: trade agreement is one of the few things that has a shot at getting done. in the 1990s when bill clinton was president, republicans about a majority deliver trade agreements that president clinton wanted over democratic opposition. now, will the democrats oppose donald trump, or will they actually be the ones who do what republicans did with the president of the opposing party? that's how trade agreements have a store been put together and put into law. if they want to fight, or if they want to get something done -- the problem is, the dynamic and both party is there's a bigger payoff and dividing the other guy than getting something done. >> harris: that's because it's about self. >> ari: the problem is that it has led to washington having negative record breaking numbers. i wish they would sample it. try to work together to get something done.

>> harris: sample a compromise? like an hors d'oeuvre? [laughter] >> katie: i'm not sure president trump feels that way. >> harris: why do you say that, katie? >> katie: as melissa has pointed out before, he's not your typical politician. when you go into background meetings with his staff and you listen to the things that they are pushing, they are not pushing it simply for reelection. yes, he goes and says things about his base. he also takes on issues like tariffs and trade agreements. republicans typically don't agree with those, in terms of the policies. i was going to say earlier, democrats are on record with the trade agreement with nafta. chuck schumer has said repeatedly that that was something that needed to be reformed. it has been reformed. the question is whether nancy pelosi in the house -- >> melissa: i want to jump in before we go, the president actually didn't retweet that video of nancy pelosi that was slowed down. it was different. it wasn't that. i just want to make sure -- i don't know about that, so i don't want to agree to that.

>> harris: we will look during the commercial so everyone is on the same page. i would quickly say this about 2020, the objects of having worked on stuff -- remember, a few weeks ago he tried to get republicans to talk about health care. mitch mcconnell, senate majority. i see you smiling! >> katie: it's an unpopular position, that people say our political talk toxic. but he does because -- >> harris: i want to get ari n. >> ari: both parties have made their focus stopping the every guy as opposed to working to give it to get things done paired this has been for years now. it's not new to president trump. i think it's amped up with the democratic opposition and resistance to president trump. but this is the equation these guys are operating under. it's better to fight than it is to do. that's a problem for everyone who is just tired of washington. when we will move on. millions of people without utilities and electrical power right now after a rapid-fire line of tornadoes ripped through

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his administration with president obama, they were basically a disaster when it came to so many things. whether it was economy, military defense, no matter what it was, they had a lot of problems. i'm not a fan. >> melissa: president trump not letting up on as a tax on joe biden, even from overseas, before returning to the u.s. from japan. the president ripping the former vice president for his role in a 1991 crime bill, a landmark measure that many critics say led unfairly to the mass incarceration of african-americans. the president tweeting, "anyone associated with the 1991 crime bill will not have a chance of being elected. in particular, african-americans will not be able to vote for you. i, on the other hand, was responsible for criminal justice reform, which had tremendous support and help fix the bad 1994 bill." the president's criticism of biden actually echoing a similar

line of attack from the left. here is 2020 candidate, new york city mayor bill de blasio. >> that crime bill was one of the foundations of mass incarceration, and a very painful era in our nations history. the vice president and anyone else has to be accountable for every vote they take. and what's on the record. i think that was a huge mistake. >> melissa: to be clear, is the apostle 94 bill. ethic i miss-set in the beginning. in the meantime, biden has yet to disavow his role in helping pass the crime bill. he apologized in 2015 for signing in to law, saying he "made the problem worse." this is such an interesting issue, ari. this is what you were talking about. when the president can find commonality with some democrats, and then put another democrat on trial with that. on that issue that is meaningful to people. there were a lot of people impacted by this bill. whatever was meant -- good intentions in the first place.

the negative externality that happened as a result. the president corrected that. it's interesting attack on joe biden was a lot of strength in the black community. >> ari: and the leader for the opposition research, "i will start this, you look back and keep going." the key issue for the democrats in the primary for joe biden's vulnerability and all their vulnerabilities, will they make these things issues? if the democrats don't go after biden, the democrats don't make this an issue in the democratic primary, it's hard to see this hurting joe biden or anybody else in a general election. it's designed to blow them up early, not late. >> melissa: jessica, that's an interesting point you would think the person who would go after them and benefit the most, that's will be for another commentator say, that it would be kamala harris. but she herself struggles on this issue, as well pay having been a former prosecutor. >> jessica: also, democrats are in a phase where they are not attacking each other. there's been -- cory booker went

after joe biden a little bit this weekend, bernie sanders, the most aggressive of the packet, has gone after joe biden about this. somebody who works for kamala harris' team brought out the crime bill but got smacked down by simone sanders, with biden's campaign, reminding them that bernie sanders signed the bill himself. but all but ten members of the black caucus, including leadership, were supportive of the bill. i'm not saying it didn't have its problems. it also contains the assault weapons ban, which is something democrats are really proud of and would like to initiate again if they could. but when you look back at the climate in 1994, when you hear carly ringel going back decades saying we need to fight the war on drugs, you look at 39 pastor signing a letter and supported. mayors from big, big cities, african record -- >> melissa: but no one referenced that. is >> jessica: they should. we talked about whether president trump is the right messenger for these kinds of things. when you have a history like he does where he was sued for

housing, saying that the central park five should get the death penalty -- >> harris: i want to give other people a chance to talk. katie? >> katie: oh, okay. [laughs] i was going to say, on the kamala harris point, i was talking to an african-american vote or the day and he was saying that they think kamala harris is taking the black vote for granted in the south. and that she doesn't have it locked up as are his security with her history as a prosecutor that may be disposedf should she talk about voted for it. violent crime is out of control, the murder he has been cut in half. since in his 90s. by lisa third. in new york city alone there were 2200 murders a year in the early '90s. these are things that have changed. moving forward, like you were saying, nobody's going to remember the reasons why these things are passed. what are they going to do to

change the consequences that they have allegedly enacted? president trump is still working on this issue prior to his credit, replicants are accused all the time of not going into areas where they may be uncomfortable, communities that they have not been a part of for a long time. donald trump has been saying, "look, you have nothing to lose. i'm willing to talk to anybody. come meet with me, i will discuss the issues on a national level." and he has gone there. not all republicans have backed him up on it, but democrats i think take that voting block for granted and they shouldn't. >> harris: i will be quick, ari. i will say that there are a number of people who understand that the reason why democrats are not going after joe biden right now is that he spent less time on the campaign trail in recent days, and is stuck at double-digit lead over everybody else. only 12 of the 23 -- or are there more? [laughter] i don't know. i was doing a lot over the weekend. only 12 of them have made the cut in the first democratic

debate. there are some hangers on that are trying to get there, for five of them. to go after joe biden at this point, it looks like he might be the front runner. i don't know if democrats want to give that up. who can go against them? >> ari: is also ridiculously early. >> harris: it is ridiculously early. >> ari: the dynamic really kicks in and the fall in the winter. you don't even have the iowa caucus, the first test, until february of 2020. there's a lot of time for these guys. inevitably they will. it is competition, they will fight, they will ratchet it up. it's human nature and its political nature. >> harris: you think they will go after him on this issue? >> ari: i think the vulnerability becomes a character issue. 25 years ago when they were very many good legitimate reasons to vote for -- >> harris: as katie pointed out, four democrats. >> ari: there were good reasons to vote for that in the 1990s. the issue is if you your character collapses, if joe biden starts to apologize for everything you did, does he apologize for supporting the defense of marriage act which made it illegal to be gay and be

merry? >> harris: obama had to come a distance on that, i remember >> ari: he says because a souffle. you poke him and he deflates. >> melissa: picking of a character issue, to bring it back to and sexually happened. this was the president taking a shot at biden why his overseas on another mission entirely. seemingly siding with a dictator. and here is, in fact, what adam kinzinger said in response to that. it's memorial day weekend that you are taking a shot at biden while praising a dictator? this is just plain wrong. this is yet another one of those situations where at the very least we say -- when you -- >> harris: well, biden did. >> melissa: and the president attacked him. >> harris: but if he didn't fight back, is he doing that, ari customer you have a message for the white house before. he's been in one, he was vice president.

is he doing that, respecting that line? or is it something else? >> ari: i'm sorry, i find this whole topic of presidents abroad to be naively cute in 2019. in his first trip out of the country he was attacked by george mitchell. the notion here that since the berlin wall fell down that you can't say something critical about somebody who has left the united states on foreign soil, it's not practiced anymore. goodness, if it was, the democrats of the biggest abuse of it. in 2004, 2006, 2008 against george w. bush. they did it regularly. i'm not critical of either -- >> jessica: they are going to be the number one victims outside of korea. diminishing what north korea has done, they haven't ramped down their nuclear program, they are launching missiles, you have a dictator who is running -- >> ari: so you object to the cam line. i don't disagree with that. >> jessica: i disagree with both of. there to do corn. >> ari: so do you apologize for what they did to bush customer could of course he

won't. >> jessica: sure. >> katie: this is different than iran. >> jessica: it siding with ken. it's really painful. kim has called him a mentally deranged u.s. -- >> katie: real quickly, joe biden has been wrong to quote the former secretary of defense gates. pretty much every major foreign policy issue, including going after's usama bin laden, therea lot to go after him with now when it comes to foreign policy. you don't have to side with kim jong own to make that point. >> melissa: the twitter feed sparking many headlines since he took office paid but has treats made no longer hear the same weight. is that the case? if so, what is the impact of the present looks to connect with voters ahead of 2020? plus, new reaction to some former obama administration officials saying the probes into the origins of the russian investigation may be threatening people's lives. now senate judiciary chairman lindsey graham suggesting those officials may have something to

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♪ speak of the people who are worried about this are worried about being exposed for taking the law into their own hands. it doesn't surprise me that the people we are looking at, they don't want transparency. we are not compromising national security here. we are trying to create a system to make sure this never happens again, shedding light on what happened with the fisa warrant process. >> harris: how did it all begin? that was senate judiciary chairman lindsey graham responding to a growing backlash from former obama administration officials. they are taking aim at the investigation into the origins of the russia probe. among those, blasting the move,

former fbi director james comey, ex-cia director john brennan, former chief james clapper, which as it threatens national security look into it. watch. >> the bigger issue of course, but the potential is come as you alluded, the compromises of some very sensitive sources and methods. it's real in terms of, potentially, people's lives being at risk. and not ancillary facts like what both our allies think about it and how confident they are going to be in sharing intelligence with us when they see intelligence being used as a weapon. >> harris: a "washington examiner" article note similar warnings would made ahead of chairman devin nunes' memo. a member that? that memo reviewed dee's house on the fbi's use of the unverified steele dossier to

ie, member of the trump campaign. call mr. byron york wrote this quote. "it is good that the public knows such things. just as it is good with a note is in the mueller report. in the days before the new nest memo was this classified, many of the nation's top, former, and current intelligence officials, members of congress, and analysts in the press warrant that the classification we do grave damage to national security. it did not happen." ari? >> ari: that same story pointed out that one of the things the fbi kept from the public was that he bought a $74,000 table. they tried to hide that under the notion that it would hurt national security for that to get out. >> harris: [laughs] well it would be embarrassing, i guess that would be the point. >> ari: they have fantastic powers to surreal nuisance lynn use legitimate services.

they got it wrong against an opposing president tilt campaign. what the nation does need to know, how did this happen customer what it happen? did overreact? did they panic? was it criminal? these are reasons the origin of what drove them to go to these great lengths to spy on the trump campaign needs to be known, because otherwise, if there is no price to be paid, let's do it to bernie sanders. he honeymooned in moscow. they supported the election for bernie over haley. let's use fbi powers against him. you don't want to open these doors of american politics. part of doing that is to scrutinize how and why you did in the first place. >> harris: didn't make it worse, jessica, to have adam schiff say there was evidence of collusion? the one thing that the report definitely does say, definitively, is that there was no conspiracy, no collusion between the trump campaign and russia. so, didn't make it worse to have a member of democratic leadership say he actually has evidence? because i haven't seen it.

i think the american people should see what he has. where is it? >> jessica: a lot of it is in in the mueller report. >> harris: wait a minute, he said he had evidence. >> jessica: that doesn't mean there weren't instances of the conspiracy. he went on conclusion specifically customer, obviously not. >> jessica: anyone who has something should reveal this point. if you've been on the tv circuit talking about it, certainly. there are a number of analysts who look at people who come from the brookings institute, who have said that mueller is very clear there are instances of untoward dealings with russians. collusion is the term we made up for tv. but it couldn't prove criminal conspiracy. can i see something but the declassification issue? the problem isn't about getting to the bottom of the origin story, the issue is getting a political appointee the power to declassify whatever he sees fit. if you listen to the deputy director of the cia, for instance, he said the issue is that william barr is a wanted her to the senate should be the director of national

intelligence, dan coats. >> ari: political appointee. [laughs] >> melissa: both are political appointees. it throws it out the window when you have people who are supposed to not be political, like call me, like peter strzok, like lisa page, these are supposed to be who are not political appointees who are not in politics on the on one side of the other. and they clearly were. making the argument on the road, we now know that everyone is political. i would say two things about the origins of this investigation. one, what's important, you said many times of this whole thing started with papadopoulos. it's important to remember that. one thing lindsey graham told us that we are going to find out that they knew very early on that papadopoulos was not working for the russians. he was cleared very early on and they continued on that false narrative saying that he was. number two, they knew that he was discredited and that the docs he was ready because before they even signed the fisa warrant, which set under penalty of perjury that there was nothing wrong with the person delivering the scum of their witness on their side, that he s

free and clear. they said he was aboveboard, he's great, and i knew at that time when they signed it that he had already been fired, discredited, and that this steele dossier was bogus. and they got the fisa warrant based on that lie in that part of the application. >> harris: what would be even more incendiary, if you look at papadopoulos from beginning customer, they know he was not valuable as an asset in their investigation, basically? because they caught him in a lie. even papadopoulos has said, "i don't know why i lied. i don't know -- people do it under pressure. who knows?" we are not inside his head. >> melissa: was he working with the russians customer that was the bottom line. >> harris: he was valuable to them and that russian investigation but he knew he was somebody they could pressure, petulant. >> katie: it said not only did not a single member of the term campaign work with the russians, but not a single american worked with the russians to steal an election. we have to make that very clear, there is no evidence of them

working with the russian government to try and change votes, to influence anything, that was absolutely clear in the report. but when it comes to the issue of the abuse of the fisa court, intelligence in general, let's take it back and out of trump world. that causes everybody to get a little bit crazy. let's go back to the beginning of when the fisa court was appointed. these were the warnings from people about this kind of system being implemented. what if it's used domestically against american citizens? if it is, how do we hold it accountable because it such secret court? we are at the point where we have evidence that it was abused by government bureaucrats and officials who are not elected. and there needs to be accountability. not just because it was against the trump campaign, but because this was something that was warned about when the fisa court was developed to protect americans from terrorism, which is important, but there are abuses warned about that are now coming to fruition. >> harris: so then the question becomes whether we take a closer look at the secret court and dismantle how it puts things worse. remember, these were republicans who were renewing the warrant.

this is politics aside, as you said, keep a list whatever but a buddy aside to box. if this happened any of them. >> ari: am a big believer in the fisa court because it was created to help us fight terrorism after september 11th. katie just put her finger on it, the civil liberty issue that nobody should turn a blind eye to. what this has busted as the myth that the fisa judges actually due diligence. they excepted because the fbi is believed to have done its due diligence, now we know in this instance they didn't. >> harris: we will move on. president trump dismissing concerns over north korean missile launches and breaking with the japanese prime minister as well, as its own national security advisor, jungles and piglets behind all of it? we will hear from a retired four-star general head. oh! oh!

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breaking with top advisors anyone has host during his state visit to japan this weekend. the president downplaying north korea's recent short-range missile tests. watch. >> during the passive administration there were many numbers that were very high, like ten, 12, and 18, having to do with missile launches a nuclr testing. for the last two years in the bottom it had zero and zero. so i am very happy with the way it's going, and intelligent people agree with me. >> you are not buffeted all but the missile's mark >> i am personally not. >> katie: his comments were at odds with the japanese prime minister, abe, took a stronger stance thing the missiles violated a scaredy of a solution in president trump's own national security advisor john bolton singh on saturday, "the security council group solution for it with the launchf any ballistic missiles, and there is no doubt that north korea has violated the resolution."

jack keane speaking to bill hemmer earlier, saying he sees both sides of this, stressing that kim jong un is trying to gain advantage of stalled talks with the u.s. >> clearly it is a violation of the u.n. resolution. i agree with president, this is a ploy by kim jong un. he started weeks ago, bill, when he fired this antitank missile. a new missile, he's been firing rockets with increasing range for weeks. why is he doing that? he came out of the hanoi summit with no sanction relief, which was his objective of the summit. and he has been trying to gain leverage ever since. he wants a summit again with president trump. >> katie: ari, he worked in the white house prayed sometimes messages aren't exactly the same from department to department. does that mean necessarily -- the behind the scenes, that they aren't on the same page it comes to policy? >> ari: no, this is a a big break where the president subsequent notes that advisors are right but he's going to look

the other way because he's got his diplomacy, personal diplomacy, that he is so invested in. on this one, i've always been cynical and critical of an attempt to have this type of detente with north korea. because they simply lies to the united states. the dentist for three presidents at her own and only will do it president trump. the president is trying something new and different. it didn't work with the three previous presidents. so i don't fault president trump for trying to go in a different direction. i never thought was going to work and we are seeing evidence now that it's not going to work. the tougher we can get with north korea, the better off we were all be. we will continue the economic scenes on north korea. the president is giving it is best try, i suppose. >> katie: melissa, china has been a big player here. the president continues his negotiations with trade on china. but as we know, donna has been helping the north koreans both bringing in oil and everything

sparingly to go from here? >> melissa: it's an interesting question. i think the president is playing good cop/bad cop with north korea, you're right, i've no idea if it'll work but it seems clear that's what it is. it isn't a disregard or a misunderstanding. it's just what they are doing. i think maybe the president is up to something larger with china. to decouple the nations. trying to move america we have china to get companies to look in different directions, to move to other places, for consumers. it doesn't have to cost a bunch of money. one of the reasons why the president is pivoting so far away from china where we've been willing to take cheap goods in exchange for and looking the other way on these other policies, it's because china is not helping us with north korea. they are helping every the sanctions and there on the opposite side of everything from us. it's time to treat them like a true enemy. >> harris: can ask a quick follow-up from alyssa customer going to be deep with the debt

that china holds of ours? because that's part of. >> melissa: that's a great question. that's what they've dent in central and south america pair they have lent more money to countries than they can never repay. as a result, they have a real grip on policy there. >> harris: getting drunk on the juice! >> melissa: this is one of the reasons why he wants to decouple the relationship paid they can't dump our debt overnight because they will hurt themselves terribly, but it is a concern i do believe he's worried about. i think it's one of the reasons why they have intentionally bought up that debt in order to have control in this hemisphere. and it was a mistake to let them do it. >> ari: it would be fascinating at the present such north korea, you could replace china economically. these jobs are going to leave china. it could go to you. >> katie: i think that's something we've tried come to tell kim jong un, your economy could be better. >> jessica: don't you remember the promo video? the two minute video of what it could look like for them in singapore? and what kim jong un responds with customer gain muscle. you're right, this is who they

are. sometimes when you are shown who they are, you have to believe them. >> melissa: that's an interesting point he made, that you could replace china. we don't know that he said that. the five we don't, because there are no readouts from these things and we are not there. but it's a fundamental problem here that you go and visit one of the closest allies, the japanese, they have been right in lockstep with us. prime minster abe has been the best foreign leader in terms of dealing with president trump. he got it from kickoff day. remember, when he went and visited in trump tower? or even took -- he understands come to stand next to him and insult him and his people and their safety by saying kim jong un says it's not a big deal can be not doing it, and insult joe but on top of it -- which is less than a big deal that the substance of the small muscles. >> katie: it's a big deal. we will see where it goes, it's very difficult. moving on, they may be the president's most powerful committee cushion tools. could a big reason why he's in

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company. they say the data shows a sharp drop-off in interactions with the president's tweets since he took office for the palooka website axios writing, "it's a sign of the president's strongest munication tool may be losing its effectiveness and that the novelty has worn off." it's something we were discussing last week, but whether he should be paying attention to everything the present tweets are going up a business. do you think that's was going on here, or it's just what happens around election time? >> ari: i think it's inevitable with anything you doing to political communications. the more you do something, the more people get loose to it. >> jessica: it's how you stay employed! you need a new strategy. >> ari: have to do something novel! nobody has ever heard of that before! there is an inevitability here. he still the present to the united states of the biggest megaphone in politics. so even if his tweets are losing some -- and i think that's a valid study -- he is still the most powerful tweeter out there. >> melissa: i think the point is he injects himself into every new cycle. what everybody else tries to have a moment, he manages to be

in the story. somebody else brings up a crime bill, anything they want to do, when he then gets on twitter and response, that is included in the story and they can get away from him. even taking a page from that book, once of it he criticizes one of us and that's not fair, you respond on twitter. the reporter covering it has the obligation to include your response in that. it's very powerful. that's how he uses it so effectively, to get in there and be on the record for better or for worse. commenting on everything that's going by. and that hasn't lost its power. >> jessica: but what do we make of the loss of interaction level? >> katie: clearly, twitter has shadow bender permanently banned all of the conservatives that have been interacting with president trump streets and that why the count is down! i'm just kidding. i think in general the number the novelty twitter has a runoff. tech giants, whether it's facebook or twitter, they have seen over the last couple of years the privacy violations, they have been called the l,

there's a lot of controversy over whether they are using information and what for. in general you see tech giants come and go. myspace, for example, went out of business. now we have facebook. things tend to be very popular and then they tend to go away because the next best thing comes forward. that very big impact, maybe not just much. >> melissa: in terms of getting your message out, it's still very effective. and it's faster than anything else he could do. >> ari: people should also remember there is the twitter political cocoon. we all live in the, most people don't. >> jessica: it's a sick, sad world. more "outnumbered" in just a moment. fact is, every insurance company hopes you drive safely.

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>> melissa: we are back at noon eastern tomorrow. for now, here's harris. >> harris: a situation millions of americans are dealing with now, breaking news in ohio. a line of twisters has torn through and it was deadly. oklahoma and arkansas are now bracing for historic flooding. on "outnumbered overtime," i'm harris faulkner. let's get to the news. towns along the swollen arkansas river fear the worst. 52 possible tornadoes reported across eight states overnight. at least one person has died in ohio. and the discussion destructiona trail. entire level, debris scattered, first responders having to use snowplows to clear the road. all part of a catastrophic wave of severe storms hitting the heartland in the past few days. ohio's governor says the extent of the devastation is hard to believe. >> from the area looks absolutely