air, with theresa may. >> the tomb of the unknown warrior, which we caught on this program as well. we will be following all of it as will continuing coverage on fox news channel. thank you for joining us. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> harris: president trump kicking off his three-day state visit to the united kingdom. the president and first lady arriving at buckingham palace earlier today. they were greeted by queen elisabeth. the visit comes during a tumultuous time in british politics with prime minister theresa may due to step down on friday after failing to get approval of the brexit deal. this is "outnumbered." and i'm melissa francis. here today, my partner, harris faulkner, lisa boothe, kennedy montgomery. joining us on the couch, editor-in-chief of "the daily

caller" christopher bradford. >> it's a mouthful. >> it is. we have thrilled to have you here on this day. how much do we love that video? melania looked amazing. i wish i were there. didn't you want to be there? >> i did. >> the trip to london and norm di on the 75th anniversary. i'm envious. >> melissa: president trump hitting back at london's mayor khan who wrote a column calling the president a global threat. meanwhile, some prominent liberals in the uk are boycotting the president's visit. here's what the president said about london's mayor before he left washington yesterday. >> i don't like him at all. no, i don't think much of him.

i think that he's the twin of de blasio except shorter. >> melissa: there you go. a spokesman for khan responding, sadiq is representing the progressive values of london and our country, warning that dnld trump is the most egregious example of a growing far-right threat around the globe, which is putting at risk the basic values that have defined our liberal democracies for more than 70 years. this morning, jeremy hunt greeted president trump when he landed in london and he had this to say to his countrymen who are lashing out at the president. >> what is really inappropriate is for anyone to boycott a visit by the president of the united states. by the way, this is a state visit, this is not a political visit. he's being hosted by her majesty, the queen, to mark the great friendship between our two countries. i think british people are going to be looking at this and saying, when the presidents of the united states, our closest

ally, comes on a state visit, we should make him feel very welcome on the 17th anniversary of d-day. >> melissa: what we left out of the introduction there because we made it sound like the president started it, the mayor wrote an op-ed saying it was wrong to roll out the red carpet for president trump. and he did what a lot of people have done to score political points, lashing out at the president, whether justified or not. his arguments were political, not personal. i would give the lawyer that. but he said it's wrong for us to welcome him here and started this fight. what do you think? >> he said the same thing in 2018 when he said president trump was not welcome in london. these two politicians could not be more opposite than each other basically. khan represents a global london, a european union london, a cosmopolitan london. he's not as in line with his countrymen has he thinks he is. but president trump is the opposite.

he's a nationalist. he's pushed for a brexit and been a supporter of this. i would say when president obama went to london and said, you're going to be at the back of the trading line to do brexit, there was no one boycotting him. when you see jeremy corbyn of the labor party saying he won't meet with trump, he met with hamas and other like groups. >> i understand that people have an issue with this president because he is unorthodox and violates every norm and every stream of protocol that has possibly existed. but that's also the nontraditionalism is why sadiq khan is mayor of london. and if anyone, he should really appreciate that, that you do have to push boundaries. and i think it's very important. and i want to echo what steve hilton said earlier on fox news, that there's a great tradition between these two countries. although it may look different and feel different than past

administrations, it's still important to figure out what our mutual interests are and move forward. and sometimes when people on the far left wing progressive criticize president trump, they do so in very vague terms. i'm always eager to hear what people's critiques are of capitalism and the system that we have in this country because they're always these very vague platitudes. but if you want to see the ills and what happens, the ultimate end of leftism, look at venezuela. what is the counterexample for capitalism? >> i think it's interesting to look at the difference in power here. you've got an exiting prime minister, theresa may, because she couldn't get brexit done in a way anybody could agree on. what happens then? you have a mayor who doesn't want to host the president of the united states after a longstanding history of relationship, no matter how chilly or warm we tend to meet with our allies, right, kennedy? but then you have the queen who hosts the visit anyway, no matter what's going on, this is

what happens because it is that relationship that matters so much. the mayor may think he can keep people out of london, clearly he cannot. >> theresa may's exit, i think president trump views as opportunity because he's looking at the issue of trade as the uk brooks away from brussels, he sees it as an opportunity to strike a good trade deal for united states. and it's abundantly clear that president trump never held theresa may in high regard the way that he talked about her. i think he views her as weak. and she has been a weak leader, suffering historic losses trying to negotiate brexit. >> she quit her job. >> and you look at the snap election she called and how embarrassing that ended up being for her and her party. president trump also sees opportunity with someone like johnson replacing her as prime minister. so her aligned interests could become stronger -- >> melissa: it's interesting that people can't to be shocked that the president is going to do things the way they were

always done. and this far in, this is not how it's done, that's why he was elected. and, kennedy, that's what happened with brexit. >> what do you think is going to happen when you're sadiq khan and you write this and you make some very pointed remarks personally about the president -- >> melissa: that was the point -- >> and that's fine. [ overlapping speakers ] >> melissa is 100% right. khan has so much to gain with this back and forth with president trump and president trump has nothing to gain. melissa hit the nail on the head. what mayor khan wants is to get a national profile, to make a name for himself, assert himself in international politics and he is the winner of this in regard to that. >> melissa: what's interesting about that, when he made the comparison with mayor de blasio r it is the exact same thing. mayor de blasio stands at trump tower and takes shots at the

president and yet he's done none of the work he's supposed to be attacks on the subway are up, homelessness is up. he's trying to elevate himself on the national stage by attacking trump. so why don't you do your own job first? and you see sadiq khan is trying to put himself on an international stage when he should be working on his -- >> i don't know if sadiq khan has the same upwardly mobile values as de blasio has or goals. he wants to run and is now running for president of the united states. it's pretty transparent. however, their seat of power is very different. that's my whole point. where is he going with all of this? he's on the world stage but he's not keeping people out of his city and certainly not keeping the queen from hosting the president of the united states. and the prime minister is taking stage left, the door. >> he'll probably get some good money in the speaker circuit

afterwards. it's lucrative to be a liberal celebrity or consecutive celebrity. the mayor of london is not always a traditional -- we see that johnson might become prime minister. that's another example of how trump can get along with people or not. johnson has trong words for trump when he was running for president. now they get along. the reason he'll never get along with sadiq khan is he and johnson are aligned on issues of sovereignty and trade -- >> and making money and allowing your economy to thrive. what i'm most looking forward to is the side-by-side comparison of who wore it best, the hair. >> melissa: i have another comment. some 2020 democrats getting in some jabs at joe biden, the front-runner skipping this weekend's high-profile democratic convention in krachl.

what's behind that strategy and whether it's a good one? plus, top officials in the u.s. and mexico meeting in washington to try to avoid the tariffs that the president said he would slap on mexico next week. the search for solutions as the president defends his decision. >> they have to do something about the border. everyone's coming through mexico, including drugs, including human trafficking. we're going to stop it or we're not going to do business. alright, i brought in ensure max protein...

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across the border just in the last couple of days. 2,500 people are coming over every single day as opposed to 700 just two years ago. so the numbers are huge. the situation is real. and the president is deadly serious about fixing the problem. >> we all saw that blk-and-white security video as people cross. it was pretty jarring. top of officials from the u.s. and mexico are kicking off talks that are happening today in washington, d.c. on trade and border security. yesterday the president tweet this had -- mexico is sending a big delegation to talk about the border. problem is, they've been talking for 25 years. we want action, not talk. they could solve the border crisis in one day if they so desired, otherwise our companies and jobs are coming back to the usa, exclamation point. today, wilbur ross sits down

with mexico's economy minister. this weekend, acting homeland security secretary said, mexico is do a lot more. watch. >> what the president said, what the white house has made clear is we need a vast reduction in the numbers crossing. i outlined three things, interdictions on mexico's southern border, keeping them in horrible conditions through mexico and partnering and coordinating on asylum and how we treat people that actually need protections coming from central america and elsewhere around the world. >> he also said congress needs to step up. >> you mentioned the supplemental, $3.3 billion is to take care of children in federal custody. we need that funding from congress. we need it immediately.

we've also put solutions on the table to prevent this flow from happening in the first place. >> however, james clyburn is blaming the republican-led senate for not taking action. >> we go through a process that has to pass the house and then the senate before it goes to the president. and i think that we are -- time and time again, we have passed bills [ unintelligible ] effectively deal with entrance at our border. i cannot speak for the whole congress but i can say that the house is doing its part. >> i wonder who's in charge in the house right now? because i had a congressman on last week and he said much of what clyburn and pelosi have been saying, that they have ideas and they can make this happen. but they aren't even on that side. forget the senate. they're in the majority. >> and there's a major sticking

point here, which is that they're trying to handicap the enforcement abilities at the border and the detention abilities at the border. if there's 50,000 confirmed detainees, they want to lower the top threshold for beds to 30,000. that's just an example, baa they're trying to remove beds from our border security enforcement's repertoires. they can't even house people and they have to release them. that's been a main point. as we said, this bill is three-quarters humanitarian aid. in the last week, we've seen cnn, "new york times," all these places that denied this for years saying, there's a humanitarian crisis right here. the democrats are trying to hobble and handcuff them. but mcconnell could do more in the u.s. senate. he could have attached some of this humanitarian aid to the disaster relief. mcconnell is a good operator but he's very much focused on confirming judges. there's a lot of places where it's on political confirmations where's declined to hold

democrats' feet to the fire. >> it's funny because mitch mcconnell has really embraced the grim reaper moniker. that's how he's been styling himself. and he sees his legacy in the judicial aspects of his senate majoritiness and being the leader there instudy of the actual nuts and bolts, practical solution-oriented immigration fixes -- >> reelection? >> they really need -- they do need to take this apart one by one and iffous democrats are serious, they need to craft bills that go -- that we've talked about. and figure out, what will actually pass the senate? then we know we can work with over there -- and even if it's one thing at a time, if you're talking about getting more judges and more courts that are functional on the border or having a better system of accountability. don't have people skipping those asylum hearings and traipsing

through -- >> melissa: it doesn't count on the house side when you say, we pass thing and thing and thing, it's not getting through. that doesn't count if it's not going to get through the senate. you have to create something that has the ability to become law or you're spinning you're wheels. these tariffs are mexico are awful for everyone involved and that is the point because if everyone is suffering from the american consumer, then you're screaming at your congresspeople. in mexico, they're running here. the point is to get everyone's attention and spread the pain around so that people get up and do something about it. congress has done nothing about this, both republican and democrat. that's why we're at this point. >> i want to slide in with this fact. to say that mexico hasn't done anything would not actually be factual. they have housed some asylum seekers in their country but it have so much pressure and so much time. and the numbers are so small in terms of is needed in this instance that it's not making the kind of difference that it could.

so i understand what you're saying, it forces everybody to come up with an answer. i don't know -- i know you guys hate when i say this at lunchtime. but they're politically constipated on capitol hill. they just are. >> they are. but there's a solution. it's dismal -- >> look at what senator lindsey graham introduced. it's an 11-page bill. essentially what this bill is addressing is the asylum issues on three key fronts. it deals with asylum seekers and where they can seek asylum by preventing them from seeking asylum on the southern border to disincentivize them to want to leave their home countries and it deals with the unaccompanied minors issues. there's a loophole in 2008 an - anti-trafficking bill different

than it deals with unaccompanied minors from countries like mexico. there are simple solutions in this bill. [ overlapping speakers ] >> we don't increase the number of judges to deal with this, we're going to have a real big problem on our hands. we could go on forever on this topic. more than a dozen 2020 candidates were in california this weekend for the state's democratic convention and the boos rained down on some of them when they dared to criticize ideas like socialism and medicare for all. what does that say about the democrats and their chances in 2020? and who wasn't there? >> medicare for all may sound good. but it's actually not good policy, nor is it good politics. i'm telling you. hey, who are you?

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>> melissa: democratic party divisions on full display of 2020 hopefuls spoke to the democratic party convention this weekend. listen to what happened when former colorado govern john hickenlooper warned of the dangers of socialism. >> if we want to beat donald trump and achieve big progressive goals, socialism is not the answer. i was reelected in a purple state in 2014, one of the worst years for democrats -- if we're not careful, we're going to end up helping to reelect the worst president in american history. >> melissa: former maryland congressman john delaney got the same treatment when he criticized medicare for all. >> we need democrats to build an

economy that works but it's got to be with smart policies. medicare for all may sound good, but it's actually not good policy, nor is it good politics. i'm telling you. >> melissa: that's a tough room. that got the attention of aoc who tweeted, instead of obsessing over who's a front-runner, maybe we could start with general elimination. this awful, untrue line got booed for a full minute. john delaney, thank you, but please sachet away. delaney pushed back in a statement reading, we can't be dedicated to slogans and must ensure that a real debate happens. most of the democrats in the field either don't want to take this on or are trying to play it both ways. but i don't think that's responsible. harris is nodding. >> harris: i am. i interviewed him a few weeks ago. he had to remind me he was the

first democrat who had gotten in last july. i didn't know where he had been. and he said, yeah, i'm saying things that are not always agreeable to some democrats and that is a perfect example of it. that room booing for more than a minute is really interesting. my question is, what does he replace it with because the hungry aocs of the world aren't going away. >> melissa: i guess, they say now is the time early in the primary to be aspirational and lay out -- arguing the other side here -- lay out a grand vision for where things could possibly go and get people excited and then as you get towards the general, that gets pared down and you deal with the reality of the situation is probably the argument they would make. >> that's generally the way it goes. booing no socialism, that's out the window. that's easy. there's not a lot of path forward because the moderates -- even joe biden is not nearly as

moderate as he has the reputation for. he's sucked the oxygen out of the room in the democratic party. he's taking all that and the radical left is pushing maybe harris or booker -- maybe not gillibrand. >> melissa: not one person. >> but she is. >> melissa: she's trying. kennedy, it's interesting he mentions joe biden who did not go yesterday. and you wonder, there are those who said maybe he was napping, maybe he was sleepy -- >> no, he was at an event in ohio. >> melissa: so not sleepy but in fact maybe he knows what that room wanted and he's keeping himself separate from the pack by not showing up to stuff like this. do you think that's smart? >> yeah, to borrow an analogy from the tour de france, he's the leader. he's got the yellow jersey on right now. and the rest of them are fighting it out in the peloton. and it doesn't benefit him to get in the mud with all these people. it puts him in an awkward

position where he's much more likely to make unforced errors and gaffes if he goes in and gets dirty and mud wrestles with them. so he's fighting the president by i am not sure which solidifies his front-runner status. i think that's fine. john delaney bet me $10,000 on my fox business show at 9:00 p.m. on fox business network that he would lose the presidency. he shook my hand and we bet live on the air. i'm hoping he doesn't win although i think it's great when rational people come out and say, socialism is mad, medicare for all won't work, even if it's unpopular with a tiny sliver -- with the very vocal minority within the party. >> melissa: what do you think about that truth-telling on that stage there? it wasn't received well but it is a way to differentiate yourself -- >> it's another opportunity for democrats to try to differentiate themselves in these upcoming democrat debates. the first pairing is at the end of june. if you're someone like joe biden, you have a lot to lose in the debates because right now,

you're the front-runner. and you're going to have an opportunity to try to explain yourself to democrat primary voters. if you're someone like pete budaj, you have an opportunity to introduce yourselves to voters who may not know that much about you. so joe biden has a lot to lose. the lesser known candidates have a lot to gain differentiating themselves from the rest of the pack. >> harris: the unforced errors will be less of a concern unless he makes them on his own. >> which he might. >> harris: across america, many moderate house members are trying to stay out of the ideological debate. theerly two dozen freshman democrats -- look at that typo. wow. president trump carried in 2016 now mapping out their reelection strategy. some senior democrats say they should focus on less controversial issues.

just play it safe. "the wall street journal" writes, illinois representative the chairwoman of the democratic congressional campaign committee represents a district which mr. trump narrowly won in 2016. she had some advice for freshmen running in this district. run like you're running for mayor, meaning they should focus on local issues, not partisan political, try to establish a presence that transcends their party and do it with a whole lot less money. >> they're going to be in trouble here. nancy pelosi is running the national conversation for the democrats. right now, she and joe biden are basically the leaders. and they want to spend the nux couple of months talking about impeaching the president, which is not a winning issue. but democrats should get a little bit of credit here. a lot of the progressives or twitter stars, that was the majority of their reelection campaign last year. they put moderates in places

that trump won over and again. if they don't focus on local politics, they'll probably lose. >> that's more difficult to do. in 2010, i worked at the republican version of the dccc. that was a midterm election. it's difficult in the presidential election to focus on the local issues because the presidential election will be dominating the news cycle. it's going to be more difficult for these candidates to focus on those local issues. also you have president trump on the top of the ballot. he was not on the ballot in 2018. i also think it makes it more difficult for the democrats running -- >> harris: what issues do they need to focus on that are not economy? there is now such a crossover between -- and i know because even in iowa, people were talking about the border and not necessarily the wall but some of the very issues that are popping now. enormous numbers of people coming over as units. i don't call them families. i say adults and children because we don't know until -- >> melissa: but i think the economy is what they're talking

about. when they say, run like you're running for mayor, it's talk about the issues that affect the people in your district as opposed to taking shots at trump and trying to get him to engage you so you can be on a bigger stage and as opposed to climate change. and you have -- it's like mayor de blasio with the example. he's taking huge shots at the president and you're like, look at the street right in front of you, look at the economy right in front of you. >> but the economy is doing well -- >> but it's tougher to try to control the narrative when you're in a presidential election. and president trump and whoever is the democratic nominee are going to be the ones that are essentially dictating the terms -- the difference is and it's great advice for all candidates, doesn't matter. you have to run on the issues that are more important to the people that you're representing. and it's so much easier to run out and spout a bunch of progressive platitudes. it takes more work to knock on doors and really get to know the

issues and to get to know your voters and it's critical. i have to say, local issues in parts of virginia are very different than local issues in parts of washington state or oregon. >> can they do this? because the democrats right now are pushing back against tariffs to try and bolster u.s. industry, pushing back against u.s. economy, pushing back against a lot of things that were classic democratic issues because the orange man is so bad. they don't like president -- >> and that's the other thing in a postmodern political era that we're in right now. everything is flipped on its head. there are going to be some democrats who used to be isolationists on trade, they're going to sound like republicans -- >> harris: i'm confused. if you're going to run like a mayor the way that melissaened others have described, the mayor of new york city, de blasio, is there like a template? >> not for de blasio. >> harris: turning the heat up on the original investigators. why republicans are taking a

hard look at james comey and john brennan as both political sides spar over the origins of the russia probe. >> i don't see the harm in looking at the facts. i've asked the president to look for every document at the fbi and justice department pertaining to the 2016 election and the investigations.

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>> harris: fox news alert, the estranged husband of a missing connecticut mom of five and his girlfriend were in court today. the two were arrested this weekend as jennifer has been missing now for ten days. neither he nor his girlfriend entered pleas today. they are facing charges of evidence tampering and hindering prokz and are expected to be hit with additional charges in the coming days. more on this case next hour on "outnumbered overtime." comey is trying to rewrite

history. i believe his 15 minutes are up. he knows it. he's talking everything about the things he should or should have done. mr. comey, your time sup. it's time for us to find out how this start and go from there. >> that's congressman doug collins. taking james comey to task. this amid a report that investigators are taking a close look at the ex-fbi director and republicans trying to bring attention to what they say was an unfair investigation of president trump launched during the obama administration. senator john kennedy believes like the attorney general does, that some obama officials acted on their political beliefs. >> i do believe there were some people, small handful of people at those agencies that acted on their political beliefs, either for trump or for clinton or against trump or against

clinton. and i don't want to see it happen again. >> the democratic chair of house intelligence, adam schiff, says the attorney general is acting as the president's henchman, and probing the origins of the russia investigation. adam? >> he's willing to cavalierly throw out terms like spying and pretend he doesn't know just how pejorative that term is. he is a smart man and understands exactly how incendiary what his allegation is and it's designed to be. that's why he is falling into such legitimate criticism for acting as effectively as a henchman of the president. >> if not for pejorative terms, adam schiff would be a limited vocabulary. a bit of hypocrisy there. >> the air force say targeted strike or something like that, just like spy. it's surveillance.

it's just investigating with human assets. >> arguably, surveillance can be abused and can be much worse. it's interesting because we're arguing over terms here. but adam schiff has to be careful. if they're saying there was no spying, isn't it okay for the trump administration to do the exact same thing with this cia director? who has a great past in terms of torture and such practices. >> harris: you're lifting this up to just a few. you're taking the politics out of it and trying to get everybody on the same lane of the high road. would you want this to happen to your side? would you want the american people to even have lower expectations if we don't look into how things got started and if anything untoward or illegal was done. those are all excellent questions. i would think the answers would be, you don't want it to happen

to your side. you do want to know the origins of all of this. i would say, i'm really only seeking one thing from adam schiff as chairman. where is the evidence that you said that you had that nobody else has that an investigation that took one year, ten months and six days, 675 days to carry out, that the person who carried that out, bob mueller, said there was no collusion/conspiracy. that was the lane he said he had evidence in, adam schiff. i want to know where that is and what we're supposed to believe about the the evidence gathering and why no one else has been able to see it. seems so simplistic. >> melissa: you said it best at the i think g. now everything has become so political, there's only one way to solve all the problems and that's to release everything. that's fine for the mueller report as well. release it. release this because now we've gotten to the point where no one trusts anyone else's judgment and we have to see everything for ourselves. if you take the time to read it, you're rewarded -- >> but there will still be

distrust because the attorney general has gone above and beyond with what he's released to the public. you still have people like adam schiff attacking his character. one thing involving coney that i can't wait for the attorney general to get to the bottom of, which he says he's going to, is that january 2017 meeting where coney briefed president trump on the salacious details of the dossier and it leaked to the media and he released the dossier in full. >> harris: when you say release the entire mueller report, that would take either a petition or the house and the senate how far to change the rules and make that grand jury testimony open to everybody. >> melissa: absolutely. but you know we'll be criticized if we say release everything around this second investigation -- >> harris: it could happen. >> melissa: what is good for the goose, is good for the gander. i don't trust anybody in politics or the right or the left. and we have reached a point where we need to release all

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>> welcome back. joe biden was a no-show at this weekend's california democratic state party convention in san francisco and some of the 2020 competitors getting in their best bigs. take a listen. >> there is a debate among presidential candidates who have spoken to you here in this room. and those who have chosen, for whatever reason, not to be in this room. [ cheers and applause ] about the best way forward. >> some say if we all just calm down, the republicans will come to their senses. but our country is in a time of crisis. >> so let's do this, let's invest in hope in these places. we don't need a krim bill. we need a hope bill. >> shut up.

[ laughter ] >> not a big fan. >> meantime, biden, who spoke to thousands of activists at the human rights campaigns ohio gala on saturday blasted president trump and his stance on lgbt issues. it writes, while more than half the field jostled [ unintelligible ] party convention here, the largest single state party gathering in the nation, the former vice president had the lectern to himself. >> melissa: i want to say that kennedy was singing the song that it was at the top of the -- [ overlapping speakers ] i just want to correct the record there. >> also a good plug for "the five." chris, california moved up its primary date, giving it more significance. over 400 delegates at stake.

was it a mistake for joe biden to miss the state party convention? >> all the traditional knowledge and political wisdom would say, no, it's good not to get down in the mud with these guys. but i think president trump has shown another path that people could take, although typically not the front-runner like biden, where they jump down in there and don't let attacks go unanswered. they don't act like they're too good for these events like hillary clinton might have. and president trump wasn't afraid to get booed at republican debates because he knew who was in the room. biden needs to do a lot of things. he's way ahead of him. the president thinks he's going to win. but he also needs to get in touch with the progressive activists. and california, like you said, is going to have a really outsized role or a real role in this democratic primary. >> melissa: i thought of hillary clinton too when i said he was skipping this. i was like, i don't know. when you don't go to places because ewe assume there are

some things better about not being there, it can backfire on you. we are so far out from their primary -- and that is the problem, if you don't have the progressive energy, do you really inspire people to go out and vote for you? i don't think joe biden provides enough of a contrast to president trump in order to inspire people to actually leave their warm homes and go vote. and that could be the problem. >> that's a great point. to piggyback on that, president trump was such a different force than all other 16 candidates -- the other 16 candidates that ran in 2016. joe biden is a thing of the past. is some other candidate going to be able to differentiate themselves from the rest of the pack given that? >> so far, not right now. the debates i think are going to have more weight now than they would have in the past because you're going to have candidates that are going to start to get desperate and the criteria will get much more difficult as the debates move forward. the first one, you have to have 1% in a few national polls and 65,000 unique donors and even

for high-profile people like kirsten gillibrand who's a senator from the state of new york, she can't even meet that threshold and it only gets worse from there on out. but they have to go at each other. they have to definitely know their specific policy issues. i think that's when the real challenge comes in. >> for biden, here's one thing he should be worried about. he's drawing smaller crowds than elizabeth warren. she is the least charismatic -- >> i love seeing charlemagne eviscerate her with a few simple questions. she looked like a bumbling idiot. she couldn't defend herself. >> and kirsten gillibrand still can't get the 65,000 -- >> melissa: even with a dollar. >> we're "outnumbered." stay with us. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. nice! but uh, what's up with your partner? oh! we just spend all day telling everyone

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>> melissa: thanks to chris bedford. have you got a final thought for us? you have a cool event coming up, right? >> chris: absolutely come of

the 70 of d-day, "saving private ryan" in theaters across the country. we are going to that. >> did they save him? [laughter] >> melissa: we are back here in eastern tomorrow. now here's harris. >> harris: fox news alert, pump and protest as president trump visits england and meets with the queen. i'm harris faulkner, you're watching to be 26 now. president trump is in europe for a weeklong visit. before he even landed in london, he sparked a controversy with his criticism of the city's mayor. and what some said he says about the duchess, meghan markle. while critics are going after the president and mass protests are planned, one of britain's top officials has come to the president's defense. chief white house correspondent john roberts is traveling with president trump. he now drives us from london. john? >> good afternoon tea. the official daytime part of the program for the president is -- it's still the nighttime program, but he wrapped