theresa may should sue? >> sandra: filling the news conference. >> bill: i like to brit hume you smitty. >> sandra: i don't mind it, we welcome it. a great three hours. "outnumbered" starts now. >> harris: a lot to get to this r. fox news alert, president trump on his state visit to the united kingdom holding up joint news conference with u.k. prime minister theresa may. by the migration crisis here in north america is looming large. you are watching "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today is melissa francis, fox business network anchor dagen mcdowell, fox news contributor jessica tarlov, and in the center seat, yes! host of "the next revolution," going to revolutionize "outnumbered"! steve hilton. >> steve: that's a nice, warm welcome. thank you so much! >> harris: i'm glad you are here. let's get to the news. are you ready? >> steve: i'm up for it. >> harris: oversees the president asked about ongoing talks of mexican authorities

about the crisis. they are set to impose new regulations on mexican goods if they don't stop an unprecedented surge of migrants to our southern border. negotiations between the top administration and mexican officials resumed tomorrow in washington, d.c. today the president says he expects those tariffs to go into effect. >> mexico shouldn't allow millions of people to turn and enter our country, and they could stop it very quickly. i think they will. if they won't, we are going to put tariffs on. every month those tariffs go up from 10% to 50% and a 20% and then 25%. what will happen then is all of those companies that have left our country and gone to mexico are going to be coming back to us. and that's okay. that's okay. but i think mexico will step up and do what they should have done. >> harris: the president was also asked about reports that congressional republicans are discussing a vote to block his tariffs on mexico. here is his response.

>> no, i don't think they will do that. if they do, it's foolish. there is nothing more important than borders. i've had tremendous republican support. i have a 90% -- a 94% approval rating, as of this morning, and the republican party. that's an all-time record. >> harris: meanwhile, house speaker nancy pelosi is set to meet with mexico's foreign minister to talk about trade later today. wow. steve, there is a lot popping off. so, mexico. if you are mexico, what are you thinking? >> steve: i better have a constructive response to this, because they don't want to see an important trading relationship disrupted. i think that's what you are already seeing. this tough response, called outrage amongst the traditional establishment types, here goes trump again with something we've never seen before. conflating, as they call it, two issues. the treat issue with the immigration issue. actually, the mexican response was very conciliatory right of the outset. coming in to negotiate.

i don't know whether it will work, but the reality, you have got a crisis, an emergency of the border. everyone agrees with that now. it's getting worse. when you have a situation as we saw last week we have literally a block of a thousand people walking into america -- >> harris: in front of security cameras. everybody in the world can see it. >> steve: it's not an exaggeration to say that we don't have immigration control in this country. it's gone. you got to do something. congress refuses to do anything. what are you going to do? it's a constructive entrepreneurial piece of policymaking, as far as i'm concerned. i think we should be open-minded about about. >> melissa: can i get some context? the president was responding to a question from out in the audience about a press conference that was held this morning in washington by mexico's foreign minister, where he said, "what we have seen so far, we will be able to reach an agreement." that's why i think the imposition of tariffs can be avoided. he is in washington right now,

meeting with the secretary of state pompeo tomorrow. this is a bit of good cop/bad cop. we are seeing president trump on the national stage talking very tough and saying, "no, i'm going to put those tariffs into effect." and that was his stance. but if you look at the market right now, at the bottom of your screen you can see we are up better than 400 points. >> harris: that after the fed spoke? >> melissa: part of it has to do that, but we saw a bump having to do with this potential work out with the mexican tariffs. >> harris: i want to bring in the former ice acting director, thomas homan, from what he thinks mexican mexico can do. they have been keeping some asylum-seekers. they have been doing little bits and pieces late in the game here. >> steve: but this is important. what are the specific things we could ask them to do? >> harris: let's hear from home and here and we can get reaction. >> there's a lot more mexicans that do, but the criminal cartels orchestrating are making billions of dollars. 31% of women are being raped,

children are dying, so we need them to supplement take on the command control structure that has orchestrated this entire surge. >> harris: jessica, it's interesting. when you look at how democrats have responded or not, the governor of california gavin newsom did with the president is saying we need to do now, and that is to go into some of these countries and dealing with it in-country people coming across their borders from guatemala, so on and so forth. >> jessica: that's the argument to not have cut foreign aid, as well. the central american countries where the majority of these migrants are emanating from, that's where -- >> harris: were to look at relocation reallocation of that aid. >> steve: the idea that giving foreign aid will sort out the problems -- it's just ridiculous. >> jessica: is more than just giving aid. >> steve: more money will not sorted out. >> jessica: but cutting aid to places where they can't get a job, they are victims of violence, and wiping her hands clean of this is not a solution. >> steve: by the way, crime is

falling in guatemala and honduras. it is. and the increase is going on because a lot of it is driven by economic migration rather than the claims that they need asylum. >> jessica: yes, people are emigrating because they want better economic opportunity. that has always been the case. see when we have to change the laws of asylum to make that happen. >> jessica: we absolutely do. can i say something about the conflation issue here? there is absolutely a danger. i understand people who support the president or may be those who don't want to say it's a good cop/bad cop analysis. but when you look at a breakdown, there are two new studies "the new york times" put out today that show that lower and middle class americans could lose all the benefits from the trump tax cut. the thing he wants to run on. >> harris: the leverage. >> melissa: absolutely. >> harris: skin of the game. >> melissa: the point is tariffs are horrible for everyone involved. that'll hurt everyone around. that's my point. so the point is that hurts everyone. you call your senator, you call your representative, you say,

"we are even washington working on legislation? why aren't you sitting down with a table with the other side? both democrats and republicans, sitting there and sorting this out. and writing integration legislation. >> harris: it's billing him actually. otherwise people think congress is getting almost a single digit approval rating because they are not doing anything. >> dagen: here's the best-case scenario, particular particulae u.s. and mexico. they step up the deportations of central american migrants, which is exactly what happened earlier this year when president trump threatened to close the border. what happened? deportations out of mexico of central americans went up to 15,000 individuals in the month of april, compared to just 9100 in the month of march. you have already seen some signs of that is happening. also, the taking on of asylum-seekers out of the u.s. you either stay in mexico or resend those asylum seekers back

to mexico. it's bad for the u.s. and better mexico. the mexican economy in a recession, it sends people pouring across our border and that's what we don't want to happen. >> harris: on thomas homan's comments, it kind of folds right in. what he is saying if you want to avoid some of the humanitarian crisis you've got to then deal with this in-country. can you process these claims where these people live? i don't know what kind of aid he would have to put in place for that, but that is just another option on the table. >> melissa: a major legal victory for the trump administration in the battle over the border wall. a district court judge in washington, d.c., tossing a lawsuit from house democrats. they sought to block the president from using emergency powers to reallocate federal funds to help pay for wall construction. the judge writing, "this is a case about whether one chamber of congress has the constitutional means to constrict -- conscript the judiciary and a political turf war with the president. the report declined to take sides in this fight."

in the meantime, the white house threatening to block another move from democrats. house dams are set for up to 2.5 million people living in the u.s. illegally. most of the people impacted are still protected from deportation by programs like daca. the bill is extremely unlikely to pass the senate, and the white house promises a veto. writing in a statement, "the fix would only exacerbate legal immigration and the exultation of our immigration laws. it incentivizes more illegal behavior while doing nothing to address the problem at our southern border, or broader immigration enforcement efforts." despite that, the vice chair of the house democratic caucus today describing the bill as a victory of sorts. >> this bill is really a cause of celebration for the caucus. it has been 18 years in the making, and today we have the chance to look at the dreamers. they are americans in every

single way, except for paperwork. and today we are going to say to them, "we see you, you matter, you are part of the fabric of this country, and we are going to acknowledge that." >> melissa: jessica, does this get us closer to be deal? are there things that can be traded for people to come together? >> jessica: this is her making good on her promise that there would be a clean daca bill. we've been talking about the president putting out as an immigration plan they didn't have protections for dreamers, and members of the democratic party in the house have been consistent that we would do something clean here. it's not going to get through the republican-controlled senate. >> melissa: so what good is it? >> jessica: what good it is as it shows the people, the dreamers and a number of other people from countries like guatemala and honduras, that we are looking to protect them and make sure they have a pathway to citizenship. it represents democratic values and priorities going into -- >> harris: 's it was that about politics, then? i'm just going off what you just said.

remember, were nancy pelosi was with this group of people about a year and it half ago. he's she is being bum-rushed ate lectern. >> jessica: it's not about politics. >> harris: why can't we have something that'll actually pass the senate? >> jessica: because her republicans would never vote for something like this. >> steve: the republicans did vote for it. the point is that you are never going to get anywhere on this issue, and this is why the people are so frustrated, unless you combine the two parts of it and have real and believable border security. that has to start with building the wall. it was the clearest promise in the 2016 election campaign. everybody heard that promise -- >> harris: we can't find out what's in it after we read it. >> jessica: it's very clear what it is and is a parody of my party to make sure these people are protected. >> melissa: but how do you go back to them and say, "we tried and we failed? "we put this thing forward. as we introduce it as no over

passing, so we delivered on the promise to write something that would protect you, but we were not willing to do any sort of deal or sit down at the table in order to make it a reality." because of it's not a reality and they aren't protected, we could have done -- you have to be intellectually honest. what you could do is sit down at a table and say, "this is what we want. what do you guys want on the other side in the senate? "or wherever. to get something that gets to the president's desk and get signed. saying you pass something that has no hope of becoming a law is -- it's like sitting home and twiddling your thumbs. it's meaningless. >> jessica: third republicans put out a plan that republicans didn't even like. >> melissa: sosa to the table and trade these things? >> jessica: i don't know that it's a direct trade. when that's upending the immigration system, and even restricting legal immigration -- >> melissa: but the same thing you guys did -- >> jessica: that's how we end appeared. the idea that the democrats of the one thing politics -- >> melissa: i'm not saying that at all. i'm saying, can rational people

sit down at table and you guys say, "this is what we want and we can get without your support," and -- >> harris: not on this issue. >> dagen: not on any issue that the win for president trump, period. there's nothing rational for people in washington. there are rational and deranged and they will never, ever set at a table with somebody from an opposing political party and get anything done. they could fix the asylum laws. they could fix -- they could fix them in the way that senator lindsey graham wants to, to discourage mothers from bringing minor children into this country and putting their lives at risk. but they won't do that. so who is really worried about the humanitarian crisis? >> jessica: last time i checked, criminal justice reform was signed by both parties. there's been a opioid legislat, there's been -- >> harris: we aren't saying they can't work together. i'm saying on this issue. democrats want to do total reform. republicans want to fix what's

broken in an emergency situation. now suddenly we all agree as a nation that it's an emergency and democrats aren't moving. >> dagen: you know what they got on board? >> harris: i'm not saying they can't get together, i'm saying this particular issue. they had this summit -- >> steve: they just don't. it's very -- >> jessica: i can't believe this. >> steve: the democrats simply don't want the border security part of it to happen, because they don't want to -- >> jessica: the will hurt -- will hurd doesn't believe in your ball. he's a republican, last time i checked. >> steve: he doesn't believe in the wall only. when president trump his plan forward, it was a wall but it was also more money for the immigration courts, including the drones that the democrats go on about, the whole package. >> harris: texas is a border state, as he pointed out, that's what he's saying. he's not saying take down the existing walls pretty saying --

>> steve: by the way, beto o'rourke -- >> melissa: i need to ask a question on the way out so she's not totally frustrated. do you think there is a solution where both sides can come together that includes a wall that isn't a wall? could it look like criminal justice reform? do you think they would go for that? >> jessica: i think border security done in different ways obviously conversation prayed but it's a huge sticking point. >> dagen: i need to say this about criminal justice reform. they did this because they're trying to disavow with bill and hillary clinton did in labeling young black men super predators. that's why they signed on to it. >> melissa: that was very fiery, i don't know how much more time we have left in the show now. [laughter] we will go to a commercial. a desperate crisis of the border, as you know. coming up harris will talk with one of the people at the center of the issue. acting ice director mark morgan, who was recently nominated by the president. be sure to stick around for "outnumbered overtime" at the top of the hour. in the meantime, actress

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to the european union. during today's news conference with outgoing british prime minister theresa may, the president said he is looking to reach a new trade deal with great britain. the president also predicted the u.k. will follow through with its plans to exit the european union, or brexit, with a deadline looming later this year. watch. >> i would think that it will happen, and it probably should have it. this is a great, great country and it wants its own identity. it wants to have its own borders. it wants to run its own affairs. this is a very, very special place, and i think he deserves a special place. i think it will happen, and i believe the prime minister has brought it to a very good point where something will take place in the not-too-distant future. i think she's done a very good job. i believe it would be good for the country, yes. >> harris: those comments coming as the events in the u.k. turn from pomp and circumstance to politics and protesting with people in the street, some of

them. first of all, steve, i went to get your point of view on the relationship as may exits. it seemed like the president was very kind and giving in terms of his -- >> steve: that's what he's like in person with people anyway. i certainly experience that when i interviewed him the other week. i had never met him before and he really gets that. you can see how he has a close working relationship with these leaders. he's not going person. but i think the important thing here to take from this, so far, from this visit, is the relationship between the two countries. what i think is really important here is not so much -- we've been talking about the protests and so on. it's actually not the reception he's getting that's important, it's what he is bringing. his enthusiasm and positive attitude through the relationship. the way i've been putting it is that he is making this special relationship special again. and the reason is that under obama it really cooled off. i was there in 10 downing street working for david cameron when

he was per minister, when the obamas came for their state visit. i literally remember in the negotiations in the run-up to that, there's this whole conversation between the u.s. side and the british side that president obama would not use the words "special relationship." so please don't ask them to say it and please don't set yourself, because he's not going to say. and we don't want to look like we are rebuffing you. why? because obama prioritize the relationship with the e.u., even with germany, and didn't believe in it. what you are seeing here with president trump is reigniting that close connection. >> harris: do you think his click on it is still accurate, that brexit is coming? >> steve: yes, and theresa may's replacement as leader of the conservative party and per minister, however it is, they will believe in brexit. >> harris: otherwise they probably can't win. >> steve: she never believed in that. however replaces or is somebody

who actually really passionately wants to make it happen. >> dagen: we are reminded over and over by president trump, by the queen herself, by theresa may, the reason for this visit. a state visit. a formal visit. only the third state visit hosted by britain and the queen in the history of u.s. presidents. at least under queen elizabeth's reign. it is because of the 75th anniversary of the d-day invasion, of operation overlord. and we are britain's ally. we stand with britain in prosperity and in shared sacrifice. i just want to 150,000 brave men from the u.s., canada, and united kingdom, basically defeated because of the d-day invasion, with more than 4,000 casualties. 4414 allied deaths. that is why we are there and that is the most important thing to take away from this special relationship. >> harris: amen.

and maybe someone should have clued in the mayor of london. i want to watch, if we can -- >> steve: he is preposterous, i'm just saying. >> harris: the back and forth between our president and the mayor, who is still making news today. or at least trying to. watch this. >> i think he's been in a very good mayor, from what i understand. he's been doing a poor job. crime is up, a lot of problems. i don't think he should be criticizing a representative of the united states who can do so much good for the united kingdom. we've talked about it before. he should be positive, not negative. he's a negative force. >> it's kind of what you would expect from an 11 euro. it's for him how to decide, how to respond. it's beneath me to do childish tweets and name-calling. i'm not offended in the slightest. people tell me -- >> harris: what i thought also was interesting is the president

acknowledged that mayor kohn wanted to have a private meeting with the president >> steve: is a ridiculous character, he's using the word "respond." he's not responding. he attacked president trump. he wrote a whole article gratuitously attacking the president. so the president was refined to that. what president trump is saying about sadiq khan is exactly right. he is seen as a failure in london. crime especially knife crime has gone up in a staggering way. the reason he is still there is that at the very left wing city and this is all about his reelection. >> melissa: theresa may's response to him i thought was very grown up, when she would say it, "what i would say to them as the conversations were having today is about the future of the most important relationship between the u.s. and the u.k. that is the greatest alliance the world has ever seen. a special relationship." and she went on to talk about the economies of both. but her point is it's not about this, it's about the future.

>> harris: basically saying, "you are the mayor, i'm still the prime minister until i leave." [laughter] let's move on. democratic presidential candidate kirsten gillibrand -- can you help me? >> dagen: no, i like it when there is no harris filter! i'm enjoying it. >> harris: anyway, she's standing behind her call for the resignation of al franken. amidst his sexual harassment scandal. this is after pete buttigieg stated that gillibrand might have been guilty of a rush to judgment. democrats now looking to hear from a key watergate figure about the mueller report, still pushing for the former special counsel to testify as well. which strategy is going to work? we will debate. stay close. musical music ♪ limu emu and doug.

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♪ >> melissa: house democrat holding a closed-door meeting today for the first time since former special counsel robert mueller gave a statement last week. he smirked more calls to begin

impeachment proceedings against president trump. this comes as the house judiciary committee announces it will hold a hearing next week with former white house counsel to president richard nixon john dean. he was a key figure in the watergate scandal. it is reportedly part of a new strategy to highlight the mueller report. but the divide over impeachment is still front and center. house judiciary democrat val demings sensor priority is not impeachment >> i didn't come to congress to impeach a president. but did come to congress to do my job. and we have an obligation to make sure that the american people have as much information as possible. protect the constitution, and uphold our democracy. >> harris: still, the number of dems publicly calling for impeachment now tops 50. new york congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez on whether or how pelosi should comply. >> i think the tide is turning with the public and seeing

exactly what's going on with the president advising witnesses to ignore legally binding subpoenas. at this point it is getting to become so overwhelming that we need to uphold the rule of law and the constitution of the united states. >> harris: if so, jessica, they're going to pull out the way back machine and bring somebody from the nixon administration out to talk. do you think she's right, though? 50 is a lot more than it was previously. it was 20, i think. to think the tide is turning for public opinion, and you think having these kinds of hearings will make a difference? >> jessica: the polling is not indicating that the tide is turning whatsoever. people are exactly where they were. they think there was obstruction of justice, that the president lied, and they are not for impeachment. val demings is absolutely correct. this is what you say on the couch almost every day. politicians are sent to washington to get things done. congressional oversight as part of that job. they should be able to do it. where aoc is correct -- and we just saw today that hope hicks is not going to be complying with her subpoena. you have done them again saying he's not going to supply with

his. but you have the white house ordering people not to let congress do their job, you get increased pressure on nancy pelosi, and friendly, congress overall. seeing -- going down the path. >> steve: the whole thing is ridiculous because this is not oversight. this is trying to overturn an election. that's what this is about. it is ridiculous. as "the wall street journal" very effectively part of the other day, what if you're going to him for? >> dagen: obstruction of justice. >> steve: they want to impeach them for obstructing an investigation into conspiracy that didn't exist when there wasn't -- >> jessica: not true. it's just not true. >> steve: it wasn't obstruction. >> jessica: really? why did bob mueller at -- >> steve: hold on a second. bob mueller lied from the podium because he had to be corrected later that day. >> steve: oh, my god. >> steve: he lied about what he found. >> jessica: really question work it was written in plain english. >> steve: it wasn't plain and they had to be corrected later in the day.

he lied directly. there was a conflict between what he said, which was -- he implied that the only reason he didn't charge the president was because of the olc opinion. and that conflicted with what the attorney general said later that same day. >> jessica: do you think bill barr lied? why? >> steve: there is no evidence of any criminality. what they are pointing to -- >> jessica: there are hundreds of prosecutors that said if it were anyone but the president he would be indicted. >> steve: know, with they are pointing to her examples of the president losing his temper. when you lose your temper if if your atari ministry and was being derailed by a -- >> jessica: awing your lawyer to obstruct justice is very different. >> melissa: i'm going to posit right here. i'm going to ask -- i think the point of wall with the wall street journal was in part is when you say that he is engaged in a cover-up, the logical question is, what is he covering up? and i don't think the democrats have an answer to that. >> dagen: i read that same

"wall street journal" editorial, the point they made, no investigation was obstructed. the mueller investigation went on, and it ended. the counterintelligence investigation by the fbi was not obstructed. no witnesses were interfered with. two years, 500 search warrants, and anybody was interviewed that merely wanted to interview, and even president trump himself answered questions. instead of john dean, they need to hire -- kevin spacey, he can read and the frances underwood voice. that's really what they are doing. >> harris: he's got his own case to rebut rachel. [laughter] >> melissa: the debate over al franken's controversial departure from the senate is resurfacing on the 2020 campaign trail. mayor pete says he wouldn't have pressured the minnesota center to resign amid multiple sexual misconduct allegations. putting him at odds with senator kirsten gillibrand, who led the push to oust al franken back in 2017.

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♪ >> i think it was his decision to make, but i think the way that we basically held him to a higher standard than the g.o.p. does their people has been used against us. i would not have applied that pressure at that time before we knew more. >> dagen: presidential candidate mayor pete buttigieg breaking with some of his fellow democrats last night, saying he would have waited for more information before calling on former minnesota senator al franken to resign after multiple women accused al franken of sexual misconduct. dozens of high-profile democratic lawmakers called on him to step down. fellow candidate kirsten gillibrand leading that charge. she found herself defending that decision after his comments. their statement reading this --

"eight accusation since he was elected, and one from a staffer. that is not to high standard, regardless of how the republican party handles this behavior." melissa, on this i want to just point out, her polling under marianne williams and also polling under bill de blasio is 0.2%, according to the real clear politics average s on "special report" last night. maybe she ought to just go "bye-bye," because -- guilty until proven innocent. >> melissa: it's not just this, is that she's the ultimate flip flopper. you just don't believe the sincerity of almost anything she has to say. she was the nra's best friend, and all of the sudden she was trying to represent a larger group that wasn't as conservative, so she threw them under the bus. she loved the clintons. then the second they weren't helpful in the longer she threw them under the bus. with al franken, it sort of -- people are calling her on sort of the same thing.

whether he deserves to go -- which it seems like he did -- it seems like she does it for applicable reasons. she was trying to rebrand herself as this feminist after being so close to the clintons for so long. what is your take, jess? >> jessica: i have my own issues there. this isn't one of them. i think al franken should still be in the senate. out of the 21 female senators, nearly half of them called and him to resign and that effort when they came out and started on social media, it was coordinated down to the minute that it would happen. she was the first one trade 5 minutes later, someone else went. i believe chuck schumer actually was supportive of this, as well. i wish al franken was still in the senate. i like tina smith, too. but i believe he should so have a seat and there should be an investigation paid by the decision to step down was his and his alone. he could have stayed in there and he thought it was better for the party and for himself to do that. >> harris: that's an excellent point. but i think this goes back to the issue that -- when she threw

bill clinton under the bus and said he should have resigned over the monica lewinsky scanda scandal, sheet -- >> harris: please call the clinton scandal. >> dagen: we talked about that before. over 20 years, the clinton endorsement money was taken. an interesting strategy for 2020 primaries. time and again, that is kirsten gillibrand -- al franken was her squash partner. she would do anything to highlight her gender, but that's all she's got. guess what? there are other women who do a better job. >> steve: she's just fake. i think it's really encouraging when you see people -- the good sense of the american people, when they see someone so transparent leaf egg like her. another one i would put in that category is beto o'rourke. people see right through them and i think that's good news. >> jessica: i think there's something aboard going on, putting aside the interests of the al franken issue, you are finally starting to see them take pot shots at each other. the first few months, everyone was taking selfies with one another, now you have bernie and

elizabeth warren -- fun -- >> harris: who thought that was real? >> jessica: i think they like each other and respect each other. but it's a competition and people want to win. so you're seeing it more heightened. i think mayor pete was as polite about it as it could be. as we head to the debates, june 26th is the first one, you will see more of this because you have to distinguish yourself. >> harris: waited till they reach that threshold. you will see any of of those people! [laughter] when you are pulling .03%, you can't even fund race. the six she made it -- >> harris: a quick question for dagen. i was like your take on these things. you are joe biden. is it smart that you are sitting down, you're in ohio for the california democratic convention. is it smart that you're kind of staying out of things? or should he engage? >> dagen: he's got some green energy plan coming out. >> jessica: and he was of human rights campaign dinner, he was the keynote. he wasn't just hanging out. >> harris: i didn't say --

>> jessica: but he was doing something -- >> harris: i just said he wasn't there. [laughs] >> dagen: he is leaving and gillibrand's polling under marianne williamson. and mayor de blasio, he's like chairman ipecac. [laughter] >> jessica: what is that? >> harris: it's that stuff you keep under the sink. >> dagen: google "ipecac." [laughter] the actress bette midler apologizing after posting a fake term quote on twitter. whether this speaks to a bigger problem on social media and gives rise to what some see as fake news. ♪ my insurance rates are probaby gonna double. but dad, you've got allstate. with accident forgiveness they guarantee your rates won't go up just because of an accident. smart kid. indeed. are you in good hands? if ywhen you brush or floss, you don't have to choose between healthy gums and strong teeth. complete protection from parodontax has 8 designed benefits for healthy gums and strong teeth.

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♪ >> jessica: a reminder of just how easy it is to pass information around on social media. but midler apologizing after she was roasted her posting a fake term quote which called republicans the "dumbest group of voters in the country." the since diluted tweet was shared with her 1.6 million followers and liked more than 27,000 times. midler, a staunch critic of the present, tweeting, "i apologize for this turns out to be a fake from '15-'16. the sound so much like him that i believed it was true." the backlash was immediate. graham allen tweeting, "fake quote, don't believe everything you read on the internet.

abraham lincoln." [laughter] >> steve: that's great. she said it sounds so much like him. the person that sounds like to me is heather contin pair that's basically what she said with her deplorable comments, and subsequently she is the one going around -- >> jessica: he said before that he would run as a republican. >> steve: but these fake quotes are nothing compared to what we call deep fake scum of the video fakery possible. >> melissa: that brings me to the next point. we in news, for everybody at home, we've gotten to the point we don't believe videos we see online. if you googled it it doesn't mean it's true. we check everything. you don't believe the codes until you double check and source it. much of america's becoming like that. there was the day when -- i love you, dad -- he would send me videos and say, "have you seen this?" and is not real. but we all know now.

i don't even know that she should have to apologize necessarily, because he was getting their political advice from but midler? if you're listening to her -- she's a wonderful actress, i love her. >> dagen: i had seen it before and i was so infuriated by it that she would be passing around this fake quote, i went hands off. somebody's going to call her on it and she will be embarrassed. again, these individuals who hate the president so much have snakes on the brain. and they can't help themselves. they are also attention-seeking. they do this so they get the positive feedback all of their anti-trump brethren, or they put this out there. it's the equivalent of a child at a barbecue eating rocks for attention. it's the same thing. it's childish. >> steve: the other issue from it -- sorry --

>> jessica: is my segment! hopefully to what you are about to say, there is something about being a blue check mark. there are people who work in the news, and you are supposed to be putting out correct information. obviously it's not everyone in the news who has this blue verified check mark on twitter or whatever it is. but don't you think there's a responsibility of people who do have these followings and have positions of trust, to be putting out this information? >> steve: that the question, who has the responsibility? and the issue it'll bring up, that's a very tough one, it's the platform. "facebook should take down fake things." but there is so much of it. it leads to censorship. it's got to be the people who take responsibility. >> melissa: you have to have a brain when you're looking at these things. bette midler might have a blue check mark next to her, but when she says a play on broadway's fantastic, that's going to carry a lot of weight with me and i'm going to go check out. when she's talking about

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>> we are talking about tech addiction for that whole subject of songs and games and the way technology is taking over our lives. >> our whole society has undergone a cosmic shift. >> and have a smartphone predator have a mobile phone and 147 147 years. >> one mom said she took her funds away because the grades are slipping. >> kids shouldn't have access to the internet unsupervised. therefore know which smartphones. >> melissa: steve hilton hosting "deep dive" on fox nation produce can sign up at foxnation.com. start talking today.

i was amazed when he first became friends and he said really have no smartphone. grimacing business, i can't imagine operating without it. by do you think that's importan important? >> steve: it started excellently but now it's a force in my life. it means i more time to think. i'm not into technology, have a laptop from online. i keep in touch through it method and it works fine. that was really great discussio discussion. everyone will be captivated because it has become this huge thing. we had great guests who really understand what it's doing to people's brains and why this addiction is creeping in, especially for kids. >> melissa: and its addiction. make no doubt about it. you leave the house, you don't have it, you feel like you are missing your arm. especially with kids and stuff, you drill down on that. a lot of parents, i know myself, are struggling. you want them to be in touch and respond to you. but you see them kind of itching for it, and it's scary. >> dagen: i worry about how it distorts a young person's self image.

the physical image, the idea of beauty. it puts the zap on your head as long-lasting. >> jessica: i don't have kids. [laughter] that's all i've got. >> melissa: figure, steve hilton. we are back here tomorrow. here's harris. >> harris: fox news alert, president trump taking aim at his critics as he conducts high stakes trade talks in london. you are watching "outnumbered overtime," i'm harris faulkner. the president and british prime minster theresa may made headlines a couple hours ago at a joint news conference. the president way down in u.k. politics thing breaks it will happen and should happen. also sing the u.s. is committed to a phenomenal trade deal with britain as it gets ready to leave the european union. with breath dolomite on for the present ripped into his critics, calling them a negative force. >> i think people should look to do thinks correctly as oppose to criticize. i really don't like critics