i wasn't a hero. it was just an act. nice to spend these hours. >> and hear from some of the veterans themselves. yeah. good to be along these three hours with you this morning. do it again tomorrow. happy thursday. everybody, "outnumbered" starts now. >> a dramatic report on a showdown among top democrats on whether to begin impeachment hearings against trump. nancy pelosi said to tell senior democrats to, quote, i don't want to see him impeached. i want to see him imprisoned, end quote. outnumbered right now. fox business network anchor, daguen mcdoll and former communicator for harry reid, john somers is here. you say you ear outnumbered, but you're ready. >> let's do this. >> it's beautiful, it's floral.

thank you. >> we've acknowledged. move on. ramping up the impeachment push, jerry nadler, clashed with speaker pelosi in a meeting this week when he requested for the second time that he be allowed to lofenalac an impeachment inquiry against president trump. speaker pelosi reportedly pushed back saying, quote, i don't want to see them impeached, i want to see them in prison. pelosi again pushing to instead to push back investigations and hold the hearing on the contents of the mueller report, 60 house democrats with her saying they want impeachment including the 2020 candidate, seth bolten. >> we should have the debate in congress. i wasn't there. it's our job to uphold the constitution. there's a lot of political challenges with doing this inquiry. she's made this point. she made it wisely saying we

could do it in our political peril. but how about just doing the right thing by the constitution. >> the president not directly reacting to pelosi's prison comment, but apparently not worried. he had this to say so our own laura ingraham when she asked him if former special counsel mueller should testify. >> nancy pelosi, i call her nervous nancy, nancy pelosi doesn't talk about it. she's a disaster. she's a disaster. let her do what she wants, you know what? i think they're in big trouble. >> i said authoritarian twice because it sounds like a stall tactic by pelosi, investigate, investigate, we know what the facts are from the mueller report. so she'd have to come up with some new facts, i suppose. >> i don't think we do know what all of the facts are, right? because the entire report hadn't been released. there are additional things that need to be investigated as well. one of the things that i think at this point is getting lost on people.

and that's different from talking about impeachment. talking about the possibility of impeachment which is that formal process of holding hearings and deciding if the president should be impeached or going to the senate and deciding whether they should be taken out of office. the impeachment inquiry is the investigation process. we're doing that at this point. it's just not called an impeachment inquiry. >> more avenues to open up, though. you mentioned the mueller report, you and i have been seen that 98.5% redacted but nadler and his top five or so lawmakers could walk town the hall at the do skwshgs and take a look at it. it's not like it can't be seen almost in its entirety. i'm going to hit you on that point. and the impeachment inquiry, that opened more avenues for us to investigate means that more time was taken up. going for impeachment is a vote. >> right. it does give them, though, a

formal impeachment opening would give them greater ability to -- and greater power to investigate. it actually takes some power away from the executive branch from throwing up roadblocks. it was an interesting article about -- as i said yesterday, this is going to be an experiment that nadler was like basically doing, calling witnesses, going through the mueller report, doing additional investigations and sticking his finger in the wind to see if the wind is blowing in their direction, more people in favor of impeachment. there's an interesting article i read in bloomberg that pointed out, don't watch polls on impeachment, watch the improval numbers. what happened to nixon in '72 to '73, a lot of it was watergate related, the failed confirmation of an fbi director, the saturday night massacre and the firing of archibald cox but there was a lot going on in the economy with the oil embargo. so his approval rating has collapsed.

and that really opened the door for impeachment proceedings. that's what the democrats are going to try to do rather than -- again, if you really pursue impeachment, that says you can't win. >> what's interesting what you say is what more people compare it to bill clinton. you say, they'll decide whether or not to toss him out. richard nixon resigned. bill clinton didn't go anywhere. his capitol grew. and he asked former speaker newt gingrich to give details about that head wind. compare it to bill clinton. if he stays in office and the economy took so long, he becomes somebody who's emboldenened by somebody who did it against all odds. >> the democrats are so disingenuous. if nancy pelosi wanted to see trump in jail and thought he would go there, she would move forward. the entire thing is political exercise, charade from the left. i 100% agree with what attorney general barr said.

he said it's the people resisting a democratically elected president. they're destroying norms and institutions. case in he is prohibited by law he cannot release. they still want to move forward with a contempt vote. it's disingenuous. >> nancy pelosi comes out and she says, you know, the president is engaged in a cover-up, what is he covering up? >> that was one of the things that was indicated in mueller's statement where he indicated there could be an obstruction but couldn't take action. >> what was being covered. >> you need the investigation to come out and -- >> in search of a crime. >> i think you're in search of trying to figure out what they were trying to obstruct. you look at the martha stewart

case, right? she was never actually convicted on the underlying charges. she was convicted on obstruction. they weren't able to prove the crime. >> so, the thing they were talking about was the trading activity and did she know ahead of time about, you know, a stock tip and where it was going. and with watergate, the thing underneath was the break-in. so what is the thing underneath what we're investigating the president for. what's the thing? >> i think that's what we need to find out. >> is it russia? is it -- there's got to be a thing that he was covering up, though. we can't say we were looking for anything that he's done wrong. for there to be a cover-up, he's got to be covering something. >> for attorney general barr. >> tied with russia. >> you could be tied with russia. >> i think that's the better question for nancy pelosi in terms of what she specifically thinks. >> noble asked for that. i couldn't believe it. when she came out and said that, the obvious question, he's engaged in a cover-up. what's he covering up.

>> they don't ask her, though, because they know she doesn't have an answer. they're avoiding trying to embarrass her because everybody is in her court, quite frankly. there's nothing there. the democrats are going to try to magnify and amplify what -- it smells kind of funny for all of the americans getting upset and saying some things to don mcgann that never happened. >> the conspiracy is -- >> let's get lisa back in. >> the attorney general as in rod rosestein, the one wanting to invoke the 25th amendment both came in conclusion with the conjunction of the office of legal counsel there was no case of obstruction of justice. there wasn't enough information there to move forward with it. so this is a fruitless exercise. it's a political exercise.

and mueller -- >> didn't look at that. it wasn't even an option for indictment. >> i find it highly hypocritical that the democrats who say jim comey cost hillary the election because of what he did to hillary clinton are supporting what robert mueller did to president trump. he did the same thing. going out there and naming and shaming despite the fact that he didn't have enough evidence to move forward with obstruction of justice. >> i'm going to pick it up there. the new numbers on the southern border are eye popping and the feds are calling the new numbers on the border ap rehepgss off the charts. and a full-blown crisis. the new statistics and whether it will finally be the impetus for congress to act. is there ever a tipping point? plus, a stirring tribute from the president on the beaches of normandy. 75 years later, d-day, remembering the sacrifices of the great estrogen ration. -- the greatest generation. >> the breakthrough came, the battle turned. and with it, history. ein you ned

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you're the pride of our nation. and you are the glory of our republic. and we thank you from the bottom of our hearts. [ applause ] chief white house correspondent john roberts is live at the american cemetery looking over omaha beach. john? >> melissa, good evening to you. the commemorations continue at this hour. a little further east of where we are at juno beach, there's a big international commemoration there. juno beach is where a large contingent of canadian soldiers came in. you said where we are the cemetery overlooks omaha beach, which really was on june 6, 1944, a charter house as the wave after wave of american soldiers came in and were cut down by the german gunners and german artillery as well. cemet

some 9400 american soldiers lie in their final rest. the president paying tribute to all of them today as well as 170 veterans who were in their 90s able to make it to their ceremonies today. the president talking about their remarkable bravery and also reiterating the bonds that tie together the united states and the country of france. listen here. >> the gis who board -- boarded the landing craft that morning knew they carried on their shoulders not just the pack of the soldier but the fate of the world. our cherished alliance was forged in the heat of battle, tested in the trials of war and proven in the blessings of peace. emmanuel

macron himself paying tribute to the veteran, not only the ones who died but the ones in attendance today presenting the order of the knights of the legion of h-- honor to five veterans, the highest france can bestow on anyone. he'll forever be indebted to the united states for liberating the country some 5 years ago. listen here. >> we know what we owe. do you, veterans. our freedom, on behalf of my nation, i just want to say thank you. >> yeah, macron there recognizing, melissa, that france as we know it today might not be here if it weren't for the united states. but you could also say that if you went back to the 1700s, if france was not a great ally of the united states, particularly leading up to the revolutionary

war and during the revolutionary war, the united states as we know it might not exist today. these are long-standing allies. they sometimes have their differences. but today, they were very much on the same page. melissa? >> john roberts, really moving. thank you so much. right now we're looking at the president getting ready to come off of air force one there. he's landed. back in shannon, ireland, where he is going to spend another night in the town of doonbug. when you listen to what john roberts was saying there reminding everyone of their shared history and the reason why we have these alliances and why through administration after administration on all sides, we remain close friends. because of this history that we share together. and really doing good and helping each other around the world, we wait for the president to get off and see that. we will bring it to you. in the meantime, it's been such

a moving day. >> we have the president being where he was in normandy and now to go basically at home. a place where he has a scrawling resort. it's where he and his family have done business and spent time as a family. and, so, as he leaves the airport in shannon to go back overnight there in the resort, a time for the whole family to process this before they come home tomorrow. but all of it, i mean, 75 years, there are fewer than 490,000 men who served for america who are still with us. we lose almost 400 a day. so when you look at the real meaning of a generation and the losses of the generation happening right before our eyes, the president and the first lady and family have gotten a first place witness to history that is leaving us in person but will always be in our heart. shawn? >> i'm going to say, as a

democrat, watching him today, it's the first time i thought he looked presidential. he looked good standing up there. i thought he represented our country very, very well. melissa, to your point, this is a good opportunity for him personally to -- he's not a president who's really into reading about history and that kind of thing. i don't mean that as a criticism. >> you don't know what he does in his personal life to be fair, you don't. >> he's steeped in this history, really learned a lot about it. and it feels like something that touched him. you can see that during his speech and the way he represented this country. >> lisa, it's amazing to me. i stood on that cliff in normandy myself. and when you think about all of these americans coming and really knowing so many of them, what they were dropping into, and the sack rry sacrifice they

were making for the good of the country, for the good of america, they were coming and a local thanked for for being an american, obviously i did nothing. but the gratitude that they were under the thumb of this evil, here comes the president. and americans gave their lives. and parachute in. in order to help to rid the world of this evil. it's move get. we can see the president and the first lady coming down here. what are your thoughts? >> freedom is worth fighting for. the bravery for the men to do what they did. and today in this moment to not keep it political, because this is something that brings us all together. and to honor these people that did that. it's history in front of all of us. one of the most touching moments to do a flight with vietnam veterans and to talk to them. they're treat so poorly coming

home. it's so important to honor the people that served and keep history in front of us and keep it fresh, even though it's been 75 years, keep this in front of us and keep this fresh. >> i said -- the final thing i said on the show yesterday was telling people to go to bed to our national d-day memorial. and that is where vice president pence spoke today. that small little virginia town is less than 3,000 people, 75 years ago, lost 19 young men just on omaha beach. >> the bedford boys, right? >> right. can you imagine the telegraphs started to come in the days after the invasion, one after one, of families finding out that their sons had died. these were ordinary men, ordinary young boys, doing extraordinary things. and that's what this was. >> the president now and the first lady aboard marine one as

they head to doanbeg, ireland to spend one more night before coming home from that part of the world. a special occasion he has been part of across a couple the countries even with the queen talking about 75 years ago today, d-day, and we'll watch him on the left side of the screen as marine one takes off. while i tell you about a very special guest coming up. he was only 20 years old when he lapded on omaha beach on june, 1944. omaha, by the way, saw the most casualties and deaths in the first 24-hour period out of all of the landings. he was assigned to dig graves and would go on to bury 458 fellow soldiers in normandy over the next 24 hours. >> wow. >> and then in a two-year period after that,e he would bury more than 0,000. he told me on the phone yesterday ahead of our interview he knows what death is.

he was glad to serve in that way, it was important. you've got to see this. joining me for outnumbers overtime at the top of the hour. alarming numbers from our southern border, customs and border officials calling it a full-blown emergency as apprehensions and encounters topped 144,000 in the month of may, a 32% surge from april and the highest in 13 years. on june 4 alone, agents detained more than 4,000 people. officials called the numbers off of the charts. john sanders is the acting commissioner of customs and border protection. listen. >> we are in a full blown emergency. i cannot say this stronger. the system is broken. we are well beyond capacity in all of our southwest custodial facilities. this ongoing crisis placed a tremendous strain on our limited resources and operational effectiveness. >> all of this as officials are scaling back, shutting down

activities for unaccompanied immigrant children for english lesson, soccer games, there's only enough money for the essentials. politico reporting house democratic leaders are getting pushback from caucus members who oppose giving the president another dollar for the border crisis, even that $3 billion for humanitarian assistance. my mind pops over this. we all know we need that. >> this is the time for everybody to put on their big boy pants or big girl pants and get together and have a discussion about the emergency. >> why isn't this happening? >> that's a great question. i think everyone is retreating to their political corners. and i think we need one of our leaders, whether it's pelosi, schumer, trump, to rise above that, to get to the agreement that we have to do something. >> if the president invites them back to the white house, are they going to drop linguistic bombs about how they want to throw him in prison or leave an empty chair?

no, it's not funny, it's serious. it's serious. be the people -- no. >> get the reference that you said an hour before the last meeting. but the same time, the democrats will have is when we are able to go in and come up with an agreement, is he going to stick with it, right? bauds we've -- because we have had that happen as well where the leaders left the oval office with an agreement on immigration and he heard from the most conservative voices in his party and he pulled the rug out from under him. >> is that fair? >> what isn't fair is what's happening to children at the border. of the $4.5 billion that the white house is seeking, $2.8 billion would go to health and human services to care for children. so, our democrats. and that this is what the voter, democrats or republican need to call and ask for congressmen, are you exploiting children for political gain.

this is what it's come to. we're not talking about the wall. we're not talking about broad immigration reform. we're talking about you funding hhs to take care of these children at the border. answer me that. >> i think the other thing that should be hung around legislators' necks the next time they go out is this idea that we all agree that a lot of people are coming for economic reasons, there are people who need amnesty, there's a lot of people coming for a better life like so many of our ancestors did. why do we have laws set up that entice them to risk their life reasons, there should be a way to go about that safe ly rather than thinking your best chance is to flood over the border and risk rape and death. >> but they know that the law doesn't make an exception for economics. so we might have to change the law. i have to get to this real quickly. president trump said he's going to slap new tariffs on mexico on monday if it doesn't do more to help stop the migrant surge.

with mexico and the u.s. officials now meeting in washington this week, mexico's president said he's optimistic they can reach a deal as soon as today. here's what president trump told our own laura ingraham in an exclusive interview airing tonight, watch. >> when you're the piggy bank that everybody steals and robs from and they deceive you and they -- like they've been doing for 25 years, tariffs are a beautiful thing. it's a beautiful world if you know how to use them properly. republicans should love what i'm doing. >> so you can watch laura's entire interview with the president tonight on the ingraham angle, that's 10:00 p.m. eastern. quick reaction, lisa? >> president trump views tariffs as a stick to try to get mexico to work with us more as a partner. i think president trump has tried to use things like declaring a national emergency. also threatening to cut off funding to central america. threatening to close the southern border as a way to get people to pay attention to this issue which they've come around

to. we have people like john on the couch who's recognizing there's a fact that there's crisis at the southern border. the problem is, congress doesn't want to address it. it's actually very easily solvable. president lindsey graham has a bill to address this. i would highly encourage president trump and congress to coalesce about it. >> okay, we'll move. a new poll suggests americans see fake news as a greater concern than terrorism or climate change. who voters blame for the proliferation of misinformation and what we can do about it. new warning signs for the president's re-election campaign, poll data showing one democratic presidential candidate with an edge in a deep red state. texas. two groups leaning blue, and how concerned they should be. we'll debate it.

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trump's re-election campaign as one survey suggests some parts of the deep red south may be turning purple. a quinn bee yak shows joe biden winning the state of texas by four points over president trump in a theoretical 2020 matchup. the former vice president is the only democratic candidate shown to defeat trump, though a few others come in the margin of error. biden polling well in two key groups within the lone star state. women and independent voters, leading the president by double digits in both groups. biden remains a clear front-runner for the state's democratic primary. 30% of texas democrats say they support him for the nomination nearly double former texas congressman beto o'rourkes. does it surprise you he's doing so poor in texas? that's supposed to be with where he would have the most support. >> you expect them to do a

little better. he deserves a lot of credit for pulling texas as far along as it's come. we've had our eyes on texas for a long time. we've been talking about it for at least a decade. okay, it's going to go democratic here soon. i'm not doing back flips just yet. we're a year and a half until the next election. we've made good progress in that state. we have to see how things will turn out. >> this is the classic thing where you go and you chase the dream of turning texas and you spend resources there. you kind of get trolled. because it's a finite amount of resources, a finite amount of hours and stuff. so if they go after texas democrats, is that a smart move politically? >> it is smart. let me put on the southern accent, it's not texas, but it's close. all of the dark blue left wingers have been migrating to texas from illinois, from

california, and from new york. because there's no state income tax. you get these left wingers come in and import those crazy progressive policies. skip hollandsworth spoke the screen play about the movie "bernie" which is texas and he calls austin the people's republic of austin. that's what it is. >> most voters believe president trump will hold on to the white house in 2020. this is a cnn poll where they asked voters who they think will win, 54% say they think trump will win reelection while just 41% believe he won't. that's a better number than president obama got back in 2011 when 50% said he would win a second term. so, i mean, that's so interesting to me that it's -- there are so many polls that it seems like vice president biden is winning. but you go to the same area and people say i think trump is going to win in the end. >> that's the way the media covers it as well. we look at the exit polling for

the 2018 midterm election, president obama and president trump had the same approval ratings. obama lost 63 seats, president trump lost 41 in the house. you didn't hear that much about that in the media. the allocation of resources and not wanting to be loosy with the football or whatever it is, you will get mistakes that hillary clinton made in 2016. and towards the final stretch of 2016, she spent more money pursuing one electoral college vote in omaha, nebraska than she did in wisconsin and michigan combined. those two states are the reasons they lost the presidency. you don't want to make strategic errors as well. you cannot take texas for granted. >> to be sure, one is a national poll, they were saying cnn was saying most people think president trump is going to win. the other one is just texas. do you think that's a texas-specific problem in terms of the president being behind? or do you trust polling at all? >> well, i do trust some

polling. i trust it in this way, i think sometimes you see an indication of where people think they are in terms of how they feel. so specific to texas, not a lot has changed for the way that people feel and, you know, the short term. senator ted cruz against beto o'rourke, he's been a good governing body for him down there. texans like him a lot. >> we've got to go. sorry. 2020 democrats pouncing over joe bide up on the continued support of the height amendment. it measures federal funding for most abortions but many of the critics voted for a bill with that amendment in it. we'll sort it out and debate what it means for the democrat inge front runner coming up.

>> the hyde amendment, under every one of these efforts to chip away or push back or get rid of roe versus wade, understand this, women of need

will still have access to abortions. who won't will be poor women, who will be working women. we do not pass laws that take away that freedom from the women who are most vulnerable. >> democratic senator elizabeth warren among the 2020 democrats now taking aim at rival joe biden, the former vice president, over a continued support of the hyde amendment that prohibits most federal funding for abortion. this campaign says the former vp is open to repealing the law. several of biden's rivals quickly pouncing after that statement including kirsten jillenbrand and cam la harris saying they support repealing the hyde amendment. among the notable 2020 candidates who voted for big spending bills that included the hyde amendments language, senators bennett and booker,

former congressman delaney, congresswoman gabbert, senators jillen brand, harris, clobechar, congressman ryan, smallwell, and, yep, senator warren herself. again, this does smack of desperation to find anything that goes after joe biden on. >> i don't know if it smacks of desperation, but it speaks to the authenticity on the issue. this is an area that's consistent. i'm not behind any of the candidates just yet. but i will say that on this issue, he's opinion authentic and he stuck to his guns on it. it's personal to him. it's disconcerting when you look at the chart and you see the members that come out and you say i feel this way. but they voted another way. i think they need to remember authenticity is one of the most important things you can have when you go to an election. >> there's a way you can say, you know, i -- probably, i don't know. i voted for a spending bill. and i did what i had to do for

the greater good. that can be authentic too, rather than trying to make the case, rather than getting teary as elizabeth warren seemed to and forgetting what you did in the past, you could come out as an authentic individual and say i would like to repeal this. i don't believe in it. i have voted for it in the past. because i did it for the greater good to get the bill across. but these tests are always -- they just strike me as so fake. i mean, not on -- you come up and gotten the issue. everyone look at the fire and based on that. >> he's leading by a country mile. >> so he's trying to use anything. >> karl rove wrote an entire column today in "the wall street journal" that the current vice president is taking heavy fire. among the second chair candidates are going after him based on ideology and elizabeth warren smacks of desperation. >> the majority of americans

support the hyde amendment. the general election, that's a position that's popular with the majority of americans. but i think the fact that democrats never get held down, the feet never get held to the fire on the issue of abortion demonstrates the bias that exists in the main stream media. look at it. half of the country is split on pro choice or pro life. 75% of americans believe abortion should be restricted to the first trimester or instances of rape. you would never know listening to the way the media covers the issues. look at the alabama law is extreme. taking away your rights, etc., etc. why hadn't the new york law or what happened in illinois be painted as extreme. look at public opinion on the issue. 8% of americans support third trimester abortions. but if you listen to the main stream media, "the new york times," "the washington post," you never know that. this issue singularly underscores the bias in the media more than any other issue,

probably. >> it will be interesting to see if this is the moment they turn on biden. are we seeing the start of that. that's going to be the other question. >> the people who have the most to gain attacking joe biden and doing a good job of it are people who are lower down, pete budigieg, cam la harris, or joey booker. growing concern of fake news, ahead of the 2020 election, americans see it as a bigger issue than terrorism. who they say is to blame and whether this will make more people fact check what they see. we will debate it, next. stop fearing your alarm clock... with zzzquil pure zzzs. a drug-free blend of botanicals with melatonin that supports your natural sleep cycle so you can seize the morning. zzzquil pure zzzs. our mission is to provide complete, balanced nutrition for strength and energy!

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on wikileaks and don jr. and the coveington kids story was covered. when the media gets the story wrong they skew negatively for the president. >> when did you start -- i don't know if they always skew. the media's job is to call into question when things are potentially wrong. you can talk to any former president or official. they feel under attack from the media. the media is asking them, why do you do this or that. they ask about what they've done right. we do have an obligation as consumers of news to make sure what we're consuming is actually truthful. so we have an obligation as consumers to make sure that we're getting our news from outlet that are actually prevalent. >> it's not -- it's not -- wait, it's not individual stories. it is the lie of russia collusion that was told for three years that the american

people by network after network after network. >> it goes beyond that. >> tick, tick, tick, boom. it was a lie. >> it goes beyond that. you have activists that are creating fake news organizations. >> before we get out of control here, we're talking about two things, one, the proliferation of actually fake stories that had been made up oh by people on line that mange their way through facebook and twitter and everywhere else, people think they're true but they're made up by bots or individual people. then there's the idea of the media tilting their perspective. that's the fake news that the president points to a lot. and i think when the president is saying fake news all the time as raised awareness and thought that there's fake news out there. but there is actually more fake news coming at us through social media. i want to try to set the table like that. >> distorted videos, for example, nancy pelosi. perfect example. one of the things that we have

the obligation to the president or others to not produce that sort of crap. we have an obligation of consumers to make sure we're not believing that stuff, we're validating this is something real. and the social media sites -- and the social media sites have a responsibility to pull it. >> but, john, don't you think that the obligation to get things right. the media has done a good enough job of ruining their reputation on their own. i'm pointing at real news, abc news, cnn, the covington kids stories was covered, all of it ended up being false. these are organizations that people are supposed to trust. doesn't that seed into the false new anywhere t-- narrative, thi distrust? >> there's a difference between bias and perceived bias and something that's fake news. and people are very -- people get where the biases lie. you know what you get to go to msnbc and you know what you're going to get to come to fox.

>> cnn calls itself the most trusted name in news, ari fleischer tweeted this the other day, 25% of the house democrats are in favor of impeachment. he said i watched it, i would say the commentators on that network, 80% of them. this goes to the notion that people are being lied to by whether you're on television or working at a newspaper. >> the difference between -- so when you go to cable news, for example, and you're watching people debate. there's that. but then the nightly news which for generations people believed was totally straight down the center and has been revealed to have bias the way any human being is engaged is going to have an opinion one way or the other. at the networks, they pretended it wasn't the case. viewers have woken up to that. >> we don't have the time, i want to think of any news articles that have been wrong about nancy pelosi. we don't have time. back in a moment. >> the

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