es in january of 1981. >> sandra: ten seconds left. what have you got? >> bill: i think d-day was the highlight of the wiki. we could just wallow in that as we talked about it for so long. >> sandra: nice to chat with bill bennett about that, as well. have a wonderful weekend. bill, you, too. we'll see you monday. "outnumbered" starts now. >> melissa: fox's alert, president trump lashing out at the policy in an exclusive fox news interview, heating up their war of words as the speaker tries to hold off her party's growing push for impeachment. this is "outnumbered" and i'm melissa francis. here today, julie banderas. all right! fox news contributor, jessica karloff. fox news contributor, rachel campos-duffy. doing this on the couch, charles payne, host of "making money" on the fox business network. he is "outnumbered." we have so many good economic topics today. i'm so happy to have you here. >> charles: what a day for that. i'm grateful to be here. >> melissa: let's get to it. president trump making his first

public comments on a report that speaker pelosi unleashed on him tuesday night at a meeting with top democrats, where she defended her position to hold off on any attempt to impeach the president. according to politico, pelosi told democrats, "i don't want to see him impeached -- i want to see him in prison." a spokeswoman for pelosi's office saying she cannot confirm the remark, but the president taking the gloves off in his sitdown interview with laura ingraham. watch this. >> i think she's a disgrace. i actually don't think she is a talented person. i tried to be nice to her because i would have latent don't neglect to have gotten bills done. she's incapable of it. she said nancy, vindictive , horrible person. the mueller report came out, it was horrible for her. i call her nervous nancy preaches and talk about it. she's a disaster. she's a disaster. the one it is so hard to tell how he feels about things.

pelosi's democratic colleague debbie dingell denying any rift within the party. >> she's got the full support of the caucus. i agree with where she is on the subject of impeachment. we've got to continue the investigations. no one is above the law. i am not for a partisan impeachment. i've said that many times. i think we need to focus on the issues. >> melissa: charles, this is frustrating to me, because when they are yapping back and forth on either side -- both sides -- we are not solving any of the really big problems we have right now. >> charles: not just yapping, this is more than yapping. it digs deeper into a hole. they say the first rule when you are in a hole, stop digging. it's really tough to see this going back and forth, and it's getting really tougher and tougher. listen, i disagree with representative dingell. i think nancy pelosi does have a serious problem on her hands i think two wins days ago it was fleshed out pretty good when she walked out of that meeting with

democrats and started president trump being involved in a cover-up. and saying he should go to prison. those are tough charges to level against the sitting united states president by the speaker of the house. i think it's an example of the extreme measure she is trying to take. she does want impeachment because she knows that's not the right path to go down. but by the same token she needs it took dominic look tough and it's taking us way off course as a country. >> melissa: i read as not wanted to make a deal of any type. >> julie: i see it as grabbing at straws a bit. mueller came out with this letter and he said charging the president with a crime is not an option we would consider. he also said he had confidence the president clearly did not commit a crime. so there you have him saying -- >> jessica: i thought he said he had confidence he didn't commit a crime, he would have said that. >> julie: but they said -- >> jessica: provable conspiracy, we are talking about obstruction of justice. >> julie: but if you have

enough evidence -- he did come out and say you can indict a sitting president. >> jessica: those were the olc framework guidelines. >> melissa: i want to stay in the realm of this fight between these two. what does it tell you about what's going to happen next, if anything? doesn't say that no deals will happen at all these other things important, like immigration? or do you think they would still put the words aside and get together? >> jessica: the house will continue passing bills. the senate will continue their work, the president will put out his bills, which a lot of republican senators didn't even like his immigration bill. i think what it tells you is there now 59 house democrats supportive of impeachment. they are very noisy and also from very liberal districts. debbie dingell is not. she's from michigan. she knows what she's talking about. having taken over her seat from her husband, held it for decades and decades, she knows the center of the country and where they are on this. witches were nancy pelosi's. she talks about the present going to prison -- it's not about the conversation we're having now, it's what's going on

with fdny and new york state. >> charles: but she wants to see them go to prison. >> jessica: she wants for my people that if he does lose the election he will be facing -- >> rachel: the center of the country is not where nancy pelosi is, that's a fact. one -- well, you said -- >> jessica: on impeachment. >> julie: know, the center of the country has moved on beyond impeachment and the democrats are by themselves in the woods on this continuing investigation. the present was right. he was very couple of entry of her, he wanted to work with her. he tried to make overtures and invite her and try and do this. then she says things like, "i want to put them in prison," and all these other -- the conspiracy, the cover-up, all this kind of stuff. what's frustrating for the president is he actually gets up every day and wants to do something for the country. with the democrats are doing -- it's not just immigration, it's

also china. this is the perfect time. the democrats have said forever that our trade with china is unfair. we are finally economically strong enough to be in a position of power in making this negotiation. the democrats are more concerned about 2020 and politics, and they are trying to weaken our president when he should be strong. >> melissa: charles, let me ask you -- what's frustrating to me, talk about everybody doing their work and the president put out something even republicans didn't like, and the house -- when they say they are putting out a clean bill on doctor, it's like, "here is what we want. it's only what we want and there is nothing in here for you. now sign it." and when he don't, they feel like they've done their job paid but they haven't, because they haven't put together anything that could possibly pass. we all know if we are being intellectually honest that you need both sites to sit down and say, "i want this, i will give you this." that's how i deal is done. more than ever with this back and forth, that's never going to

happen on anything. >> charles: i think you are right. i think, unfortunately, the outlandish behavior of some of our elected officials and the disingenuous efforts that you just point out is because they get reelected so often. they are playing to an audience back at home. always, without going to d.c. to really come up with solutions that would include compromise, that they will stay in d.c. and hold onto power and the power will only grow. that's the ornamental problem, i think, with some of these lifelong politicians that get id never really try to do anything. you are right. when you send the stuff out -- everybody knows where everybody is coming from. before you start to say, "by the way, i've got a good idea," if you know it will be opposed to the majority of it we should probably talk before then. >> melissa: i would give you a chance to respond to that. you don't go to somebody's house and say, "i'm going to buy your house and give you know money." and it's a surprise when they don't sell you the house for free?

it's with anyone. whether it's the president or nancy pelosi or whoever it is, when he put out something that has nothing for the other side, it's the same as doing nothing. >> jessica: you get lucky every once in a while with opioid legislation, criminal justice reform, but you are complete we correct. it's representative of something that we have trouble facing, because everybody loves to talk about american unity. but the truth of the matter is our parties are very far apart, and they have different priorities. different means of getting to them. the conversations that i have, at least amongst conservatives, are much further apart -- >> julie: china is a perfect example where you have a republican president wants to take on china and their unfair practices. any of democrats who for years have said they want to do something. and they care more about fighting the president than fighting for the -- >> jessica: health care, taxes. i'm talking about the domestic bread-and-butter issues. our plans are diametrically opposed. >> rachel: really? you're bringing american

manufacturing back? they are now diametrically opposed to that? >> jessica: that's not what i said at all. when you look at a taxation system, where we think the cuts should be coming from, those are diametrically opposed. with health care, people want medicare for all -- >> rachel: the problem is that says my president has taken some of the democratic issues. >> melissa: more controversy for the upcoming democratic debates. what some say was a last-minute rule change that has one contender crying foul. whether the criticism is fair when the party has to deal with such a gigantic field of candidates. plus, joe biden's big reversal on abortion after years backlash from his party's left. whether this will prove to be the kind of flip-flop that could do lasting damage. ♪ >> he just repudiated his entire career on the issue of whether or not taxpayers should be required to pay for abortions. i think what he will prove to you in the next few weeks is he will throw out anything he has to throw out to appease the left. ♪

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of criticism, as you can imagine, from liberal groups in 2020 rivals. seth moulton is tweeting this. "bravo to joe biden for doing the right thing and reversing his long-standing support for the hyde amendment. it takes courage to admit when you're wrong, especially when those decisions affect millions of people. now, do the iraq war." we should note that last year he also voted in favor of a large spending bill which, by the way, had the hyde amendment language in it. oops. a little contradictory. rachel, as recently as wednesday, biden's campaign had supported this thing. so this is a huge about-face. clearly trying to appease the base. but how much does this damage his credibility among women in particular? >> rachel: or among catholics, by the way. he said that he supported hyde because it was based on deeply-rooted religious beliefs. apparently -- >> julie: he became a christian since wednesday? what changes his beliefs? >> rachel: is deep religious

beliefs are not that deeply-rooted. he basically sold his soul to the abortion lobby and to the idea that he wanted to remain front runner -- >> julie: he says he's listening to women. by listening to women, he is now starting to realize it should be -- >> rachel: he's listening to the radical abortion lobby, at that radical portion of the democratic party who basically says, "we will not allow you to be a candidate if you back out on the hyde amendment." >> julie: is a come across, do you believe, to all these women championing him for making a decision that was just completely left and right -- doe that he in fact wants women's rights to be front and center come the election? >> jessica: i don't think the hyde amendment is about women's rights. i think that who joe biden is, he can't -- >> julie: let her. >> jessica: i understand that, that's always been the argument against the hyde amendment. you pointed out seth moulton has voted for this, kamala harris, elizabeth warren, bernie sanders. i was surprised when everyone came out against him on this

front thinking there wouldn't be fact-checkers around to show that everyone had signed on to the spending bills that contains them. i don't believe this is an issue for joe biden's reputation or credibility with female voters. i believe people who support joe biden will continue to support him, and the hyde amendment will be something that switches that for them. the issue here is getting pushed left in a primary when you are the guy saying, "i'm the best general election candidate because i'm where the country is." 58% of americans support the hyde amendment. that's almost as much to support a woman's right to choose, review weight, which came out in a new npr poll. the number one thing people are saying about joe biden's likability. you want to be supportive of the hyde amendment. that's what i was focusing on. >> melissa: something that's interesting, in the heat of a race, when they say they've had this moment where they've come to -- they suddenly realize, had they been wrong, they've been

wrong on an issue for really long time. i think about what president trump -- this same issue. when he came out and said he used to be pro-choice and now he is pro-life. and the reaction among voters was they didn't really believe him. and he kept saying, "i will put judges in place that will prove it right." but he was always fighting that battle in the campaign, "do you really believe that?" it wasn't until he got into office and brought in the judges that went along with that, that people believed he had actually made this change or whatever it was. i think for joe biden, it is ia knock to his credibility no matter what at this point. he would just have to prove that he has really changed where he is. >> rachel: there was a story that went with it. donald trump said, "i change my mind because --" but there is no story with joe biden. >> jessica: there is, actually. >> charles: [laughs] i think when he talks about his rationale, it starts to tie into something that is a kin to the

gordian knot. it's pandering. it's plain out pandering. >> rachel: isn't that what all politicians do? >> charles: some of them have core values and beliefs. at this point president trump is going against his entire party on a lot of issues because he has core beliefs. i think bernie sanders has core beliefs. i think elizabeth warren has core beliefs. they are not molding them as election goes on. as the polling goes on. as the people get vocal. people who have core beliefs -- i think, ultimately, if you are a voter you probably want to vote for someone who has core beliefs, because you can't have someone who's going to be wishy-washy with the get into office. >> rachel: authenticity was ordered in 2016. >> jessica: this is not about whether joe biden is pro-choice. he has been consistent and he made that clear. it's about whether you want to allow federal dollars to go to providing abortions in some places. it already does for cases of rape or incest. this does penalize lower income

and minority women predominately. that's the case he's making. but is not about how who he is as an ally for women. >> melissa: but he said in the past he's against abortion because he's a catholic. >> jessica: he has been politically pro-choice just like tim kane. >> melissa: that's -- >> jessica: for people who are in the middle and religious, i think that's ideal for someone to say this is how i feel about myself, i understand i don't have a right to control your body or your body. >> charles: he was pushed to change his mind in 2448 hours. if you are a voter -- same thing on climate change, he finally came out with his quiet change bill. that's not what he wants to do. he wants to do something complete lee different. >> rachel: at the hyde amendment is about giving tax loss to abortion. he's one of the most prominent catholic politicians in america. let's see if the bishops came out and say something about a prayer that could change the swing vote. >> melissa: with less than three weeks until the debate, new controversy over the dnc rules for candidates to qualify.

chairman tom perez has vowed the process would be open and transparent. back in february, the dnc said candidates needed contributions from at least 60,000 donors and had to pull well in surveys paid but yesterday the dnc announced it won't count open-ended pools or people right in the preferred candidate. that keeps -- his campaign is saying this secret rule change affects only one cabinet. that means the dnc is singling out the only democrat who won a trump state, and potentially blocking him from the debate sage. the dnc says they told bullock's campaign about this back in march but he still has until june 12th to try and ran qualify. here is dnc chairman tom perez this week. >> if you can't run an effective grassroots campaign in the year 2020 -- and today's iraq -- he

will be able to win the presidency. what our dual threshold has done is to give additional opportunity to candidates. >> melissa: jessica, what do you think? >> jessica: i'm on team bullock with this one. the open-ended poll, it wasn't general. but the campaign is arguing it's a higher threshold because they don't have the options at front of them, and to have written in his name, it's more than just ticking boxes. i totally agree here. his argument -- he got into the race late and said he wanted to finish out the legislative season. to do his job. he's usually popular, he won in a state that don't like by 20 points. i imagine people will donate to him right away. >> melissa: why do you think they did it, then? >> jessica: i think they're freaking out because there are so many people that they have to accommodate. we already have nine, they're going to split the top 5 and 4 on the two stages. there are two cone nights of debates. they do have other people polling at 1% or less than 1% who are still running full-fledged campaigns and you don't want to be seen as pushing anyone out, because that was one of the major narratives from

2016. >> melissa: yeah. this from senator michael bennet, of the dnc favoring national fund-raising over cable tv, over voters in early states. when you have people competing for donations, by creating virag to do with governing our country or ideas that will move us forward, i think that is challenging for our democracy and i certainly don't think the dnc should be favoring national fund-raising and cable tv over decisions by voters in early states." charles, what do you think? >> charles: i agree a thousand%. i think he's either over or under thinking this. we've got a large pool of folks to accommodate and they should. let them present their cases to the american people. they shouldn't be trying to cut people out of the process. then they focus on things like money. i thought this was the anti-money year. it really is interesting. i think he's met a lot of bad decision so far in this job. >> melissa: julie, my

goodness. about doing his job, you got all these people wanting to run. you have to make the cut somewhere. >> julie: you do. the poll he's talking about, the qualifying third poll being illuminated, is that he scored 1%. they told him in march so he hasn't had time to know about this. because it's such a challenging race in there so many democrats, where you draw the line? look at the screen. it's just -- you need to draw the line. who do you believe should not be in this list, jessica? and bullock should? who should he take the place of? >> jessica: i have a lot of campaign work comes with her to say that. [laughs] to charles 'his point, you want to hear from these people. there could be a sleeper in here, so when you're excited about. that and drooling will be on the stage and see if bullock won't, it doesn't make sense. >> melissa: i want to hear from rachel because you're the only one in the couch >> rachel: there was a lot of competition in the 2016

campaign, there was a circus and a lot of people running. the best candidate rose to the top and took on eloquent and, with twice as much money, and ended up being the strong scan it. i don't know why they are fair competition. >> charles: the ncaa can make it work, maybe the dnc could make it work. [i think it's a mistake to start excluding people in arbitrary things, especially when -- >> julie: it's very early and that's good point. remember, the primary debates, or just the debates for the past presidential election, do you remember they broke them up? even then, it was much closer to the election. people were furious because they were on the prime time stage. >> jessica: it makes a huge difference. to tom perez's point, and i think it's valid, if you're running for president your donors could be giving you a dollar. not $100 or something. >> melissa: fox news learning the u.s. attorney appointed by attorney general barr to investigate the origins of the russia probe is "dialed in and

has met with barr on multiple occasions." what this might mean for for obama administration officials. plus, president trump warning mexico that he is not backing down from this plan to hit it with tariffs starting on monday, unless it takes action to stop the migrant surge. some lawmakers on both sides of the aisle opposing the tariffs. is the president making the right move? we will debate that. ♪ >> its humanitarian and national secure decreases. we called on congress to fix it. again, as opposed to bellyaching about the president's actions, actually secure our border. ♪

>> jessica: the white house is not backing down as president trump repairs to move ahead with plans to slap a 5% tariff on all goods imported from mexico starting monday. the move aimed at spurring mexico to take more action to stop the crisis at our southern border. in talks this week in washington, mexico's negotiators have reportedly offered to immediately deploy 6,000

national guard troops to the border with guatemala among the other proposal. vice president pence says it been progress in the talks but not enough. >> we are encouraged that, for good, the mexican delegation brought even more proposals today. but i will be talking to the president later tonight over the course of this weekend about what is being proposed. but the american people can be confident. we've announced that 5% tariffs are going to be imposed on all goods coming in from mexico on monday. if we don't see the results that we need to see action from mexico in the months ahead. the tariffs will increase. >> jessica: but there's been pushback from both parties over the tariffs. now the chairman of the committee, richard neal, wanting to block the president from following through on his threat. michigan congresswoman debbie dingell says the tariffs will hurt. watch. >> if 5% tariff increases the cost of a vehicle by $250.

cars that are being imported from mexico -- which i don't want to see being built there, by the way -- are having an increased cost by $1,000. this could cost anywhere from $90,000 to 300,000 jobs >> jessica: a lot of jobs, a lot of money. charles? >> charles: or member, a year ago we heard these dire warnings about going with 10% tariffs on chinese goods, and we had a -- it's been going pretty good since then. it's not something you want to do. i would say to debbie dingell's point, since 1994 -- by the may, 1993, there were about this many car workers in mexico. another 700,000. in the meantime, we lost 4.5 million jobs, manufacturing jobs, since i do 94 when we signed nafta. the bigger point from the president's point of view -- what can he do? he's got one weapon left. you can imagine, there is one glass that says, "break glass,

breakout tariffs." we mentioned bipartisan pushback. great. both sides think it's the wrong thing. so come to the table and come up with solution. ultimately this is your job. speed when you have to appreciate the irony of the situation, because what's going on is there is a humanitarian crisis where you have people dying to come into this country, to cross the border. he is trying to get mexico to do something about it. i do have democrats saying, "we don't want -- this is too expensive. we don't want to lose money over the fact that people are dying." it's a flip flop. it's usually up there where you have republicans pointing out that it's too high a monetary price to pay. so i think that's ironic. everything so ironic about it is you have republicans and democrats both talking about drafting legislation to stop it. he's only doing this because they won't draft legislation. but they are going to sit down

together and draft legislation to handcuff him as opposed -- while you are there, could you also right some stuff about immigration? >> rachel: you are so right. to close the asylum laws. by the way, just this threat, the mexicans have deployed on the guatemalan border, it tried to change asylum laws. to prove they weren't doing everything he could to begin with. back to the tariffs and the cost -- everybody said, "i'm so concerned, these tariffs will pass the cost on to the consumer." the people and representative dingell's district, the working class, the poor, they are affected by low wages by illegal immigration. also, we are all affected by the rising health care costs and education costs that also come with illegal immigration. so i don't really believe they are being sincere when they are so worried about that. there is something going on, as you said, the left and the right in congress are united on some level. >> charles: you know what unites them? big business.

that's what united them. >> jessica: at least the way that i look at the scum of the main issue for both parties is the conflation of the two issues. president trump taking a problem he has with immigration and saying, "i'm going to use an economic solution or these tariffs as a way to accomplish what i want when we have --" is of the choices have to have an acrylic policy or get get together to say, "i need to have a conversation with you about getting the bad deals." i just want to get julie's view on -- >> melissa: immigration -- >> jessica: he put out his bill. i'm sorry, it's three coequal branches. if people don't like his bill, that's the end of it. >> melissa: but everybody hasn't put on the table what they want and they are taking what anyone else wants. they won't right legislation. >> jessica: everyone has religious lesion. what do you think -- >> julie: when it comes to putting economic pressure on any country is not cooperating with united states, i think it's a way to go. it has been away long overdue. the mexican government has done

nothing to try and help this economic crisis. it's about time they're sending thousands of troops to the guatemalan border, but it's too late. the democrats don't want to spend money but yet they didn't want to spend the money on the wall. there hasn't been an immigration reform plan that both sides can agree on. it's the same as imposing sink in some countries like north korea. you have to -- >> melissa: right, economic pressure. speak to you after the mort's >> julie: you have to hit them where it hurts. >> rachel: where it could come together is national secreted. we have a captured ices fighter this week. we found out from other parts cannot. who said he was involved in a plot to come through our southern border and commit a terrorist act. of course they are going to. it's little kids with no fighters , parents, if they can make it across the border -- >> julie: people are selling their children and leaving them a shield and setting the back and using them over and over. >> rachel: my heart breaks for that, immensely.

but there is a national security concern, as well. it should concern both sides. if little kids with no kids can find their way across our border, sophisticate terrorists can come too. >> jessica: but you not going to. we are sitting here. republicans have run for decades. it's free market, they are not for tariffs. there are taxes on the american public. they are risking alienating the people who put him in office. >> julie: are they really going to -- >> jessica: it goes into effect monday. >> charles: the people that put president trump in office put them in office to do this. >> rachel: that's right. >> jessica: those farmers -- >> charles: the wall speeches, you never heard -- >> jessica: it haunts me daily. but there are a lot of farmers -- >> rachel: but they actually believe him on this. the donor class and the base are not in the same page, i will tell you that. >> jessica: we have to move on. the investigations in the investigation into the

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unprecedented campaign of stonewalling out obstruction on the the american people care about. this will allow congress to hold the president accountable. but the top republican on the judiciary committee dismissing the democrats' efforts. listen. speak of the chairman had, frankly, the audacity to right a letter to the doj last week asking, "let's talk about it." he should have been doing that beforehand. frankly, what we are seeing has become a circus and a clown show. i wish she would follow the proper procedures >> melissa: meanwhile, democrats are concerned about the doj inspector general's report on potential particle bias by fbi officials at the start of the russia investigation. democrats reportedly worry that their momentum to investigate the white house will screech to a halt. and fox news has learned that john durham, the u.s. attorney that ag barr has cast to investigate the origins of the

russia probe, is "very dial in" as he looks into alleged surveillance abuses. what do you think that means, rachel? dialed in? >> rachel: it means he's onto them. if i was in the obama and mr. should, if i -- maybe even obama, all these people are, in my opinion, very worried. if he could support understand -- i know little bit but latin america. what we are seeing that happen, these are police state tactics. when the party in power uses the power given to them by the country and uses them against their political enemies, this is some of the most dangerous stuff i've ever heard. i think this is the biggest scandal that has ever hit us in modern history. i think they are worried and that the obama legacy will crumble when this thing blasts open. >> melissa: i'm willing to bet jessica disagrees with you. >> jessica: yeah. i saw obama at the toronto

golden state game and he didn't look that stressed-out. [laughs] >> rachel: let's see if you look safe at next year. >> jessica: i think he will be her. i don't think that was going on here. there were a number of high-ranking specials don't make officials like eddie mccabe, isa page, peter struck, they are invested in and not going further and have had enough expose to be embarrassed. i don't think anyone on my side of the aisle is worried about the origins of this negating what was found out of the mueller report or the mueller investigation. i think the president sitting there in normandy commemorating the day with a thousand graves behind him, calling bob mueller with his bronze star and purple heart, a fool. i think that's embarrassing for us as a nation and for him as the president of the united states of america. i'm fine with the transparency and letting it play out, but i don't think that they are nearly as stressed as you think they are. >> charles: here's the thing

thing -- the democrats should be concerned. i think the american public should be really ready to look at this report. because to rachel's point, potentially, the word "collusion" has been thrown around for the last two years. new this different source of collusion that is despicable. and the idea that the ends justify the means, jessica, even if you are happy with what they found, that you are okay the entire premise was built on a false house of cards motivated by people who have political hatred for donald trump the candidate is scary stuff. we don't want to live in a country like that where we can start investigations to this magnitude, take it to these levels, and say, "it was justified because we found something that justified it." that's a scary road to go down. >> julie: i think members of the fa should be scared. quite frankly, the way they went about this warrant was based on the christopher steele dossier. and there was a lot of information in there but proved to be false. so the abuses by the fbi in

relation with the fisa court, that is something that i think not only democrats should be concerned about, but the fbi. i think your credibility is on the line. >> rachel: how far up did it go? i think that's the question. these corrupt officials at the top, did the act independently? it seems to me that i would be directed by the white house. these were political motivations. this is spying on your opponent. this is trying to basically -- it's like a coup d'etat. >> jessica: this all got started with george papadopoulos, as we know. that was not about christopher steel. i know there's a move to get him to testify, as well. that's important. but in this conversation, it is being ignored, it seems, how many people did have community she is with the russians, or welcoming them. and whatever information they can provide on arrival. connections to organizations like wikileaks, released emails that certainly benefited the president. what we've seen in terms of interference that we know was to get donald trump elected.

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>> rachel: democrats on capitol hill fuming over president trump's plan to deliver a speech of the lincoln memorial during the traditional july 4th celebration on the national lawn. three of them led by majority leader steny hoyer, writing, "for decades the fourth of july on the national mall has been nonpartisan and apolitical. it is therefore unfortunate that you are considering a conflicting event which could give the impression at public expense." are they saying it because they just want to say something about donald trump?"

>> julie: dome xp when he breaks with tradition in every way. he has thrown at them all. so it's not surprising that he is not one to go along with tradition of kind of sitting back quietly. i do believe his enthusiasm is sincere. that he does get very excited about america and that sort of thing. i don't think anyone wants to see it turn into a campaign rally or politicized, because it's a day for america to come together as one. anything that makes it right or left or anything it's kind of -- it spoils it. so i hope it can be the manner that he had at d-day. not in the interview. >> charles: i agree. [laughter] >> melissa: i hope we can hang on to that. it's like we can't have nice things anymore, because we will fight at every dinner table. >> charles: i agree a thousand percent. if they can keep it a political pride with two parties? listen, to the outrage of the

days that president trump signed the top of the d-day proclamation. all the world leaders, he had the timidity to sign his name at the very top of it. there are people outraged by almost anything he does. it would have two parties in d.c. and they both apolitical. i'm okay with it. >> rachel: over in england, meghan markle is breaking a lot of traditions and the liberals think it's really great. is it such a bad idea that donald trump -- >> jessica: it's different to have a sassy princess then to have the present to the united states -- [laughter] not the words i usually use, but sure! ed henry was on "fox & friends" about this, saying that if this was 2011 and obama said, "fourth of july, come see me, i promise it'll be a political!" republicans would be losing her mind. this is the day for americans to celebrate, not about politics but just love of country. it has never been something for

the president of any political party. he is making argument on the finances of it in the security, but also with the holidays about. not about barack obama or donald trump or bill clinton or george bush. it is about americans celebrating. he can have a really somewhere else. i'm sure people would love to see them do it. >> rachel: that's true. thousands of people would show up. that's very true. we are out of time. more "outnumbered" in just a moment. this is the couple who wanted to get away

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