investigations of the president of the campaign of the administration, of the president's family, done with methods that were really meant to investigate people not crimes, things seem to me to go way over the bounds of the constitution and i decided to speak out. so one day i'm actually at my kid's basketball game and i say, do i do this piece, is somebody going to read it and millions of people read this piece, you know what, i can be a voice to stop this kind of thing, this kind of abuse which we've got to remove from the presidency, no one can be an effective president or as

effective as they could be if they're under constant threats and investigations. >> what kind of response have you gotten in the democratic world? >> well, you know, i get a lot of people who respond to me that they admire what i'm doing, they appreciate it, they know that it's about the country, it's not about the party and i tell them it's not about a party, i worked for parties for 40 years, presidential campaigns, senate races, mayoral races and i don't believe in this investigation, i don't believe in this special prosecution and i said so and, sure, a lot of people can get angry at me about that, but you know, i got heart felt letters from people persecuted by prosecutors and touching people with it. i want more democrats to come over and say, yes, we oppose, donald trump, yes, wanted to have another president, yes, we

will vote for another president but our constitution is first, investigations were started on the basis of no real evidence and look how they were allowed to tear our country apart. >> in the end nancy pelosi, they say they are defending the constitution, constitutional duty to issue scores and scores of subpoenas about private information about president, family, tax returns, banks, bank accounts and so forth and so on, do they have a duty to issue subpoenas and demand this kind of information? >> i mean, the duty would have been to look at the mueller report understand the russia collusion was not found, that finding obstruction that wasn't obstruction is ludicrous and to move on. to get onto infrastructure, to get on health care, on the

issues they care about and i think they were caught between politics of the democratic party that they helped create, moving voters in a frenzy, certain members of the press that russia collusion was real when it was ludicrous from day one. >> do you think the democrat party as an entity and the media as an entity have created such a -- a emotional fiery base that they can't even control what they created at this point? >> well, they created a base built on fundamental mistruth here that started with christopher steele and gps fusion dossier that was, created huge echo chamber, it went every, where they went to democrats, they went to reed, they went to cia, they went to foreign, you know, intelligence

operations, they went to the state department, it all came in as though it was real and that created a frenzy within our fbi and then that created a frenzy within the public, the biggest lie that i've ever seen, perpetrated on the american public and it's with everyone else, i would have liked to see our politicians at the end of the day, after the mueller report came out get together and say, we thought maybe there was something there but there wasn't and they didn't. >> why is there not to my knowledge a single democrat in the house or senate that sounds like you? do you know anybody? >> well, it's a shame because i also worked as political consultant for 40 years and they would -- america wants somebody to bring it together and politicians, i think, have the wrong attitude that they've got to keep america partisan and apart and i think that if they just got together as we did in 1996, and all the way up until

what i thought was impeachment comes together around the balanced budget, around welfare reform, around immigration reform, around one thing after another, the public wants that again. every time in my polls run question, investigations or infrastructure, 80%, i want infrastructure. do you want that people should stick to principles no matter what or compromise to the other side, 60, 70% compromise, get things done, right, legislature is supposed to get things done, because the american public wants infrastructure, immigration, health care, all these issues that are sitting on the table and every party is looking for the day that they control everything, that's not going to happen. >> the congress has 23%

popularity? >> yeah. >> what's the president? >> 48. >> the republican party 42, the democratic party 44. >> copying is the worse. >> congress is the worse of the political institutions and every political institution is under water. and that's why what they really want is political institution to function better but most of all they see congress as no longer functioning and they fire the republicans from congress and they were hoping to get better. >> let me ask you a little bit more about the democrat party, as a life-long democrat and activist and adviser, they own it to democrat party that really concern me right now, anti-semitism within the democrat party, we heard omar and tlabib and the democrat party doesn't seem to know what to do with that, passed resolution some time ago that was very broad, they didn't name a particular culprit that had said antisemitic things, do you think this is a growing problem

for democratic party and growing problem for the country? >> it is a definite problem. i would like to see the party more in the center because it's -- its voters are more in the center. i think the activist wing has enormous visittability out there. if you take a look at what happened at resolution of anti-semitism, that should have been a resolution about anti-semitism, why couldn't our party after the comments that were made by representative omar pass a simple resolution against anti-semitism. >> why couldn't they? >> because of too many forces trying to make a compromise and didn't want to make a strong statement, right, very easy to call everybody else antisemitic but about getting behind resolution that condemns anti-semitism clearly and without condemning every kind of bias. i think that was wrong.

>> do you think -- see my concern is this is a growing problem. if it's tolerated or smootherred in general statements it'll get worse. i'm quite concern concerned that they didn't handle this properly. they have high toll reapts for that as well and they keep promoting these people, who wouldn't know about omar if the media wouldn't be promoting her and we wouldn't know about tlabib, we wouldn't know about aoc, why are they promoting them, they know very little? >> well, in fact, omar is on foreign affairs committee in the house of representatives. i think the speaker had option to take her off committee and assign her in committee in first place, she made a statement that she's one of the emerging

leaders. in the long run it won't happen. the republican party has had a lot of break-outs of extreme wings too and typically has also , democratic party will fix itself over time. you have at least 6 committees spending tax dollars on opposition research against the president, that's the bottom line, they want all of the financial information. basically pounding away, pounding away with no end in sight except the election to try to drag down the president's ratings and the press keeps pushing it, pushing it, is this

what's turning off the american public? >> well, i think that there's investigation fatigue. the american people investigate politicians, they don't like politicians all that much. they are willing to investigate them. they are showing fatigue for the first time the polls were picking up, well, if you go too far in investigations we will be less likely to vote for you and i think they understand that 2 years of an all-out independent counsel investigation is enough and now saying, hey, let's get some of the tax returns, hey, let's get tax returns of children, their family, let's go back in history, that that's government finance opposition research, that's not legitimate legislative inquiry. it'll be very hard i think for the courts to sort this out and let me tell you if courts were willing to use some statement that donald trump made on

campaign trial, they have hundreds of hundreds of statements that these congressmen in particular nadler and schif, if that indict the purpose of these investigations as nothing going after people associated with trump just because they are working for the president and going after trump and his entire family in ways that are unprecedented. in ways that we would normally have impeached people for. if the president of the united states did the reverse and ordered up all the tax returns of everybody in congress and started to look into all of the business affairs, those in congress, how long would he be president, he would be impeached right then and there. >> when we come back i want to ask you bt the role of the media are playing in all of this. folks, don't forget you can watch levin tv, levin tv most weeknights, sign up, we would love to have you and don't forget there's the number one

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>> you have dealt with the media for 40 years, as pollster, consultant, adviser to democrats, have you ever seen the media treat a president the way the media today and the aggregate is treating this president? >> i don't think i've ever seen this treatment. i have seen a lot of difficulty -- i have inside the clinton white house for 5 or 6 years. what i used to do present to the president, weekly strategy meeting, here are the headlines out and then usa today and most of the papers of the country. here is what the beltway would say and would have world of its own, the story about the inside politics and out in country side, they would be looking at real crisis, real issues, the beltway has become the whole

country and that kind of, even if you're out in the country most of the stuff you read is about the infighting in washington and -- and i've never seen kind of the lack of standards that are really applied so you don't know what's true and what's not true anymore. >> in the mix of news and opinion, harder and harder who tell who the journalists are and commentators are and as i researched my book there's a reason for that, there's not a lot of diversity, not a lot of independent thinking, there's thought spread throughout journalism. >> why do we keep pretending and just explain who we are and why it's important, there would be

civil rights movement, obamacare, there wouldn't be this or that, and now myself having served in reagan administration, you served in the clinton administration, for all intents purposes, impeachment, i've never seen anything like this, day in and day out, one news operation after another operation, you see the montages that they put together, have you ever seen those? >> i have seen those. >> they are all saying the same thing. is it different now? >> i would say that i accounted 50-50, 60/40 against us. interestlying it wasn't the left-right phenomena. when i was working for hillary quite clear media was bias towards hillary, facts or adverse to opponent at the time.

and so this started maybe 20 years ago and grew and grew, now it's open. almost every stat in partisan like, democrats will agree or disagree. u could -- you could take any fact and it would be pursuit positively or negatively. even just something like how is the economy, everyone knows that unemployment is quite low, even on the economy 62% now say that it give trump approval. record number in modern time. we used to have that in clinton year, up to 70's but even if you look it's all partisan and partisan in terms of how it's

used because the media is partisan. it's dividing the country, that's the problem. >> pew research came with survey about adults since february. came out the other day, significant percent of americans believe that the news in media is fake. not because the president saying fake news, it's because i think the media do not understand how intelligent the american people are, we've talked about -- you think so too, that they are far more intelligent than they think and sometimes when you watch some of the shows, news shows, even sunday shows, they talk down to the audience, they talk down to the american people, they are pushing an agenda, even the guests they choose and repetition of impeachment, what do you think about impeachment, what do you think about

impeachment? i think people are sitting there and looking at this and saying this is pathetic. >> sure. >> i was reading a book one day called responsible electorate. he says the simple thesis of this book are voters, i did all my polling and all campaign work on that basic theory and so it's very complex issues, even in the last month's poll i asked people about china tariffs, they narrowly favored the president's policy on china tariffs and then i asked them what effect do you think it'll have on jobs, probably increase jobs. what effect on prices, oh, it'll probably increase prices and i'm saying you know what, americans are pretty savvy here, they know what's at stake, they are trying to get their jobs back from china, they are willing to pay maybe a little bit more on prices and willing to go along with tariffs as tactic to stop what china is doing with technology and with taking our jobs away.

that's a pretty sophisticated view, right, and did the american public have all those, yes, could you tell that on cable tv, no. what about the fact that there's a lot going on in the country and you're spending 3 days talking about the word nasty as it applies to a process in britain, in associated press white house correspondent even said that showed that the president was racist. isn't that detrimental to society, free press to give information and make decisions about our lives, about our community and government rather than being pounded day in and day out with trivial nonsense and name-calling and attacks on the president of the united states? >> exactly. look, the press has to tell the american public what's going on and write analysis and opinion

folks like you can provide the different sides of the opinion but if job one isn't done, look at what happened, the biggest problem recently is that after trump's election the country didn't come together around that election because they were divided because the press maintained this -- this trump-russia narrative for 2 years and so typically after an election in a democracy, the country to come together and say, hey, we will recognize that result, maybe dissatisfied with the president along the way but our country is not coming together, being kept apart by press that is 100% partisan and destructive to the country and so i hope that they would begin to bring back some of the standards and turn -- tone down some of the partisanship so they can let america come together because the country doesn't come together, you know, we are at odds with each other, no matter

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russian election interference and then on tuesday the house is scheduled to vote to authorize contempt cases against attorney general william barr and former white house counsel don mcgann for not complying with subpoenas. brush fire forcing evacuation of amusement park in valencia, california, authorities have to reopen roads closed by the fire so visitors at the six flags could escape the heavy smoke, the fire broke out about noon today and quickly grew to about 30 acres, amusement park close for the rest of day and reopen tomorrow, now back to life, liberty and levin. i make a distinction between the

free press and many in the media today and here is what i mean by that, cnn's ratings are tanking, they tried to play to a particular segment of the political world and they are tanking. "the new york times" had to be saved by a billionaire out of méxico, telecommunications billionaire, the washington post had to be saved by jeff bezos of amazon because they were broke and $250 million, it was worth 3 or $4 billion. maybe people have had enough and all kinds of things but there's also smart people and senator websites. it's my contention that they will destroy themselves and thanks to new technology or newer technology we are not aware of down the road,

platforms and so forth, we will continue to have a free press in the country just not that press, what do you think of that? >> well, the marketplace for news is there. whether or not we have the organizations that can fulfill the marketplace is different. i in my polls look at people and say, i break them up there's news junkies, sports junkies, entertainment junkies. >> just junkies. >> and couch potato, half of the country half potato but 23% to have country, news junkies, they really want several times a day to check the news and they want to get news and information that's accurate, that's fast, that tells them what's going on and i think they know that the press is really getting the lowest rankings that it's ever gotten and it's becoming partisan that they -- look, the press missed the trump election, they missed that there was no collusion, they missed even

weapons of mass destruction, when you talk about the quality of the news, the first and foremost, did they get the big stories right, the fact they didn't get the stories right and now become driven by clicks in partisan way far too often, right, has taken them from, hey, i'm here to objectively report the news, they want to get out and be press celebrities, they want to get in your business of pushing opinions and want to take those opinions and throw them on twitter, and so you don't have somebody saying, i don't think -- care if anybody reads my story, i will write it the way it is and eventually the marketplace for that is real, the standards don't get restored, you're right, the press will destroy itself will have free internet but we won't have a real press that's fueling public opinion the way it should. >> in one of the things i see here after -- you think after the russia collusion disaster,

it's a scam, after that that the press would be like session, they would get together and say how do we fix this, instead jeff comes out and praises magnificent reporting of his people, "the new york times" does the same thing, they dig in and nobody gets fired and nobody gets reassigned. the people at the top, nobody is talking about at new york times, that's not the way the rest of the real world where if you screw something up for 2 and a half years day in and day out we are connecting dots, you know, off of their head the media just keeps chugging along. you talk about they want clicks but they're not getting them. cnn -- i mean, it's dying ratings wise, the others had to be propped up by billionaires,

so is it ideologically driven, i think it is? >> well, first it is -- it is ideologically driven but people are creating narratives and want to fill the narratives, but the big narrative really has been opposing trump and so they look at everything, look at everything through the glass of opposing trump. that's why today the big story, wow, people of all sides actually praised the president's speech, the d-day anniversary, okay, that's a change. maybe that's a glimmer of change, look, we have to recognize when things are good, you have hit the administrations when they are bad, can we get back to that kind of press, i don't know. we are a first amendment society and to me, a lot of articles on first amendment in workplace, we have to have the first amendment so that people can't be fired, boycotted because they think or

believe things and we come a long way from that. part of the problem that the press isn't provided objective continuous information and people can rely upon the way they used to. >> clearly pugh show, not just pews but the people don't trust the press. 80% of republicans, 80% of republicans don't trust the press. significant percentage of democrats do, doesn't that tell you kind of everything that you need to know? >> if they don't trust the press, they don't trust congress, they don't trust competition, they don't trust the banks, so we do have a trust crisis and led by the press, who is going to lead us out of this crisis? only the supreme court and the military, only major institution that is people trust. >> and supreme court numbers from 20 years ago. all right, folks, don't forget almost every weeknight you can

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>> mark penn, areas of expertise is certainly trends in america. 20 years ago to today you have written book on micro trends, tell us some of the significant changes in trends that are taking place in this country? >> well, i go back to having

identified in '96 soccer moms. >> you're the one that did that? >> we changed the target of the democratic party to soccer moms in '96 campaign and today, however, it's quite different and if you look at trends in america, for every trend there's a countertrend and the misinformation. frankly the country has never been older which is why politicians are also so old and actually older voters winning the elections over the younger, right, when kennedy was elected we were -- we were 2 to 1, 18 to 29 over 65, and i say you look at this and the election can be seen as silicon valley voters, benefited from the new economy against old economy voters,

voters left behind and in fact, policy and this is true, half of the country that voted for trump lived on third gdp where half of the voters of hillary clinton live on two-thirds. >> let me stop you, that's fascinating because if you listen to the press or the stories that go on out there, the logic that's argued, it is that the democrat party or hillary or people like her represent the little guy, the way you're telling me is really was the little guy if who voted for trump this time. >> that's what trump did, he took the little guy so to speak away from the democratic party. when i worked with hillary clinton we went to up state new york and we took what we call the little guy back from the republicans, we used to have a theme, no one should have to leave hometown to find good job because families had been split up and i think trump went in and he took the voters away and put

him in his column, that was surprise, that's the real reason he won the election. >> yet the democrats were spooked by that, they seem to think that they know that now and so they are going to have a fight in michigan, they are going to have in wisconsin, they are going to have a fight in pennsylvania and a lot of these bluish-collar states now and that's the rise of joe biden. >> i think that's right that so many people including myself think biden is probably the most candidate that relies to working class voter in a way that bernie sanders doesn't, bernie sanders talks socialism and that's not what the american worker wants, the american worker wants a job, wants a future, wants a set of values that they believe in,

quite different from something -- >> danger for biden and i've been watching his positions modify, he's moving left with the green new deal, climate change, immigration, in order to try and get the nomination. he has to be fairly careful. >> that's the primary two step, famous step, move over to the left. al gore lost election because he moved to left after the convention and you're supposed to move before the convention. look, as you saw biden in the last couple of days said, hey, i'm going to vote for the height amendment, major statement. height amendment. >> no government money for abortion. >> that sent tremors, not so fast, i will keep some of my

moderate credentials and that could be pretty powerful if he stays there. >> they are hiding him a lot, what are they doing? >> they are letting others fighting in and out campaign trail, everybody goes after front runner, he's the front runner, let them fight it out, let's see what they get, let's not expose the candidate. >> you're a centrist, you're moderate, a lot of moderate democrats out there, you wouldn't know it watching the media by the way, what would they do if there's a bernie sanders sanders nominee, would they abandon the party as they did last time? >> i don't know there's a sanders nominee, we might end up with broken convention, biden could come in first, sanders second and no one has majority. >> then what happens? >> well, then folks like harris might have the swing votes and she will either say we are moving to the left of bernie sanders or moving to the center with biden and i think that's

actually the most single most likely outcome at the moment. >> i agree with you. ken was here and he said, the big story is that nobody is going to walk into that convention with majority of delegates, do you think he's right? >> it's going to be hard to do because of the system of delegates that no winner take all, it's going to be hard but we will see, you also have to see what happens in iowa, surprised candidate come out of iowa. >> we will be right back p.

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>> now, the micro trends, a lot of people are scared of technology, i think to myself where in the world would we be without technology? where would you cut it off, before industrial revolution, after the iphone, who makes these decisions, are we going to have a police make all decisions? as general rule creativity, free will, the mind evolving is a good thing? >> there's a lot of fear about technology and i think the fear that separates silicon valley from old-economy voters but the truth is we've never had as many people employed in our society as both the number and percentage as we do today.

and we've never had so much technology. so just this technology kills some jobs, maybe they're going to do something a driverless car, creates new jobs all of the time, people work in advertising, public relations information, people enjoy work for much longer period of time because less and less and more involves technology. the new generation is the most optimistic generation, all the pessimism that you hear about, america is happy pessimist, never had so good when you asked them about their own lives, never been pessimistic about the country, don't kid yourself, the youngest generation, they are sitting there looking at parents who are saying, you will never have it like me and they are sitting, no, no, we will live -- >> why do you think that's it, the populist left and populist

right, it's effort to tear down the country, this is one of the things that separates frus a lot of backward countries, that is advancement, progress in technology, it makes life easier for more people, brings down prices, creates more medicines, more drugs, it improves the quality of life, more luxury in life. people aren't scrubbing with rocks and rivers to clean up clothes anymore, you have washing machines, you have dryers, toasters, all the things, people need to make them and need assembly lines, right, it's not like attack on middle america or blue-collar america, it's because middle america and blue-collar america wants these things. >> well, they do, they want technology and, look, broadband should be in every corner of this country and talk about infrastructure, roads, bridges, look, 80% of the public wants more infrastructure that includes cyber infrastructure u

it also includes technology infrastructure so good jobs involved can be in every part of the country. i think that's essential. i actually think the last couple of administrations didn't realize what was happening to the middle of the country. they live in washington, they focus so much on the coast, they saw a whole new standard of living, everybody in america, 90% have sophisticated smart phones that could launch rockets years ago and missed what happened in middle of america until trump came along, you know what we have been giving too much to the chinese, we have been giving to low-wage workers, competition to you, but had other administrations really spread technology to every corner of the country, i don't think you'd see the middle of the country as left behind as it is. >> and transition is difficult sometimes depending on what the industries are and so forth but

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. >> you have been around politics, you look at the micro trends, the polls, you stand out as a centrist and speak your mind about what is going on in the country deeper go so given what is going on in politics and media and the rest of the country, where do you see as five or ten years from now quick. >> i am an optimistic about

america. looking with american history we come back. things are getting out of whack. first amendment, partisanship. the big tech companies provide platforms to enable hostility against each other. we will come back the basic principles free enterprise, first amendment and a democracy we respect. i believe he will have leadership. that's why think we will be. >> really get worse before it gets better quick. >> yes. it will. it often has to before it gets better. >> i generally agree with you that we have seen world war ii, a civil war and other events but yet here we are the greatest country in the face of the earth people trying to

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