u.s. open. 16 months after a near fatal car accident, he won. he shielded his wife, who suffered only minor injuries. dr. scott hogan would never walk again. he was playing golf within a year. >> sandra: wow. >> bill: wow is right. [feedback] ow! did you hear that? >> sandra: we will get that fixed periods between five starts now. >> melissa: we are waiting the president to depart the white house for a campaign event in the better battleground state of iowa. as democrats in the house grandpa pressure to vote to enable them to enforce subpoenas against the attorney general. this is be 25 and i'm melissa francis. here today, my partner, harris faulkner. fox business network anchor, dagen mcdowell. and former ohio senate democrat minority leader, capri cafaro. joining us on the couch, former assistant u.s. attorney for district of new york, and fox's

contributor, andy mccarthy. we are excited to have you here today. there's a lot of legal stuff to go through. i want to get right to it. [laughter] >> harris: we need you! >> capri: you are in the hot seat today! >> melissa: the full house that a vote on the resolution authorizing democrats to go to court to enforce the subpoenas issued to attorney general barr and former white house counsel don mcgahn. but house judiciary committee chairman jerry nadler backing off threats to hold the attorney general in criminal contempt. after he agreed to give evidence a short time ago >> nancy pelosi was asked how the vote fits into democratic strategy to continue the investigation of the president. listen. >> what we are doing is winning in court. we want a victory, getting the documents from the judiciary -- the justice department, today. for fear of further going to court, although we will still

hold the attorney general in contempt today. impeachment, if you are going down that path, you don't go to court with your weakest case. as long as you keep getting more information to build your case. >> melissa: also today republican member of the house judiciary committee, john ratcliffe, calling out the democrats. the congressman saying that the vote today is meaningless and saying the democrats are claiming a false victory with the justice department. >> jerry nadler is happy and he's finally submitted to the accommodations process the way it's supposed to work, but he overplayed his hand on the subpoenas against bill barr and now he's looking for an off-ramp and he got one yesterday. unfortunately they are still going to do this show vote today on the contempt resolution. >> melissa: andy, you're getting a preview of these theatrics today, because i know tomorrow you are going and testifying at one of these hearings. i think in the house, right? >> andy: that was intelligence committee is having a hearing on the first volume of the mueller

report, so i'll be in in it as a witness. it will be a fact witness, the know of. >> melissa: people ask about this issue today and both sides coming victory. he heard the senator claiming there -- that this was in off-ramp, that they were already offered these documents. congressman ratliff, forgive me. >> andy: i think most of this is theater like most anything we've dealt with since the mueller report. what people need to understand, i think, is that the report is 440 pages long. there is no reason, looking at it, to think that mueller left anything on the cutting room floor that was at all damaging, whether it's talking about collusion or obstruction. the chance that they are going to find anything that is damaging in the underlying documents i think is remote.

i actually think that what we are beginning to see is that there is more chance that when you look at the underlying documents, there may be exculpatory information in there that wasn't included in the report. that is suddenly starting to come out. you know, i think for the moment, before we get overwhelmed with the presidential cycle, they are in a quandary because the democrats brace badly wants to impeach the president even if they can't remove him in the senate. they would like to have that notch on the belt. and then there's the other two-thirds of the country that doesn't have it. they don't want to hear about impeachment or russia. that doesn't mean they are in love with trump. some of them are, but it means that people, in good faith, sat back and said, "let's see what he has." it turned out he didn't have anything that was much more than we already knew, and people want

to move on from it. >> capri: can i jump in a real quick? as the democrats the belongs in the two-thirds you are describing, that i'm over it, that i have investigation fatigue. i'm not a huge fan of donald trump. i fed it up to here with all of this back and forth. i will tell you, i'm from ohio, i was just home all last week. people are necessarily talking about this. >> melissa: what are they talking about? >> capri: anything but this. graduations -- they care about so many more things. this is such an inside the beltway thing. there are aspects of the democratic party that you want to see this. one thing i find interesting that i recently heard was that one of the strategies that i think democrats in congress are trying to execute is the fact that if they tried to control the narrative, particularly the new cycle, with impeachment or impeachment light or contempt light, they are not giving the bully pulpit to donald trump donald trump. it happened to think that's actually not right, because you are giving him something to go

up against. that is part of their strategic re- . >> melissa: basically said something very similar. the respondent, go ahead do we have that? >> i'm done with him. i don't ignore its talk about it. my stock goes up every time he attacks me, so what can i say? let's not spend too much time on that, because that's his victor victory. the diverter of attention-in-chief. >> melissa: he controls the the new cycle. >> harris: writes that breaking news? i do understand. any of what we call on twitter, give him some ratio. serve it up. that only makes you stronger. we will get into this later, it's something joe biden has been able to avoid because he's not really getting the grant of going up against anything right now. maybe that'll change in the next hour and half when he's in iowa at the same time as the president. but with this, i'm just wondering -- what do democrats think they are going to do?

the president can talk about the economy and some things that are working, all that he has done. know you're giving him a reason to show people why they hate politicians. he came in as a nonpolitician. i don't understand it. it's like they are doing messaging for him. he begins getting evidence from the doj. now the criminal contempt goes away and what i've been talking about the how do on that couch before we started, which we get now, contempt light? why are we getting this vote? it seems politically damaging for everyone. how do i know? representative debbie lesko of arizona told me yesterday, "what a way to pet us all to against each other. and for what?" >> andy: it's theater. >> harris: . >> harris: is theater with consequences to anybody? >> andy: i really don't think so. you think a week from now anyone will remember? one how much theater to be need? we are a few blocks from broadway. [laughter] >> dagen: we should remind people that eric holder, the attorney general in 2012, was

held in both civil and criminal -- >> harris: did anything happen and? >> dagen: no, eventually -- i think it was just the fight with department of justice, it was just result. >> andy: my recollection -- >> dagen: by the way, there was somebody who died in relation to the fast and furiou furious. >> andy: it was very different. it was about a 17-month investigation by the time congress finally held him in contempt. my recollection is that it was congress holding him in contempt. the full house. i don't remember that they went to court over that, and at that point, toward the end, president obama invoked executive privilege, which basically short-circuited the investigation at that point. to her point about holder, i don't think we want to get to put in our politics -- maybe it's unavoidable at this point. holding the attorney general in contempt is trivial. one of the boxes you check in

every single -- >> dagen: well, they are not doing it with bill barr because essentially, if it's about turning over grand jury material, with a hold him in contempt for not committing a crime? which would be a crime. >> harris: and they are the only ones of the room that contains a lot and make that not a crime. >> andy: i don't think it's really want to go. >> harris: who in law enforcement or legal wants to be part of a chain that relieves the responsibility on keeping grand jury testimony quiet? we learned that lesson with a former independent counsel in bill clinton's era. that's might change. and we get a special counsel. that material specifically is protected unless you go to a judge, and he or she says, "oh, unseal it." barr says he doesn't want to be part of that. i understand that. how do you get people to talk? >> andy: the problem is the politics has overwhelmed the law of this from the beginning. if we were just going to stick with the law, this should have been a confidential report that went from the special counsel to the attorney general.

the whole idea of the attorney general regulations is to make the relationship between the special counsel and the attorney general akin to what the normal relationship is between the federal prosecutor who works the case, and the supervisor. you have these exchanges of information about the evidence against people that you haven't charged, whether it's worthy to go forward with the case or not. that stuff is never supposed to be public, and it's only because of the political pressure that we basically ignored all the regulations in the first place. >> harris: all right, we will move to this. new reaction to another democratic-led hearing on capitol hill over the mueller report. yesterday, committee democrats called the former white house counsel to president nixon, john dean, to testify. he pleaded guilty, as you may know, to obstruction of justice for his involvement in the watergate scandal. here's what he had to see. >> the last time i appear before your committee was july 11th,

1974, during the impeachment inquiry of richard nixon. clearly i'm not here today as a fact witness. in many ways, the mueller report is to president trump what the so-called watergate road map was to president richard nixon. stated a little differently, special counsel mueller has provided this committee with a road map. >> harris: the top republican -- by the way, he hasn't seen the entire thing, either, but we will move on. because he doesn't have entree to that scif. republican on the committee doug collins, top republican, criticizing democrats for calling john dean to testify in the first place. congressman collins saying dean himself contributed to the public's lack of faith in government. watch it. >> this committee is now hearing from the '70s, and they want their star witness back. many of us can actually trace the distrust and government back to the witness today. the '70s star of obstruction. the committee on our side talked

about the corrupt cabal that we see of comey and others. i believe they have the godfather here today. mr. dean. >> harris: it was spirited. president trump also took dean at his credibility. >> he's been a loser for many years. he was disbarred and he went to prison. of them that he's doing a great job. >> harris: all right, you basically are going to be an opinion witness in parts of the mueller report investigation tomorrow, we are hearing. my part is, why do we need a watergate person who committed a crime, admitted so, to come in as an opinion witness? because he's not a fact witness. how do we know? he just told us. >> andy: first of all, looking at that, i feel i should bring my mom down with me tomorrow. [laughs] it sounds like they are really made to the witnesses. >> capri: you might get that from the d side, for sure. >> andy: began, along the

lines of political theater, they want to link trump with watergate. but i just think it's such a pale comparison. and maybe this is because i remember watergate very well. i remember dean's testimony very well. you wouldn't have had the speaker of the house saying, "i'm so done with him," because back then, because the road map that was provided to the house actually had a crime and it -- >> melissa: were there multiple crimes? isn't that the essential difference? underneath there was the breakup -- sorry, the break-in, the stealing of psychiatric records, a plan to -- there was all kinds of other underlying crimes within watergate, where they were set out -- and they would also say, on this day they got together and had this conversation with the president, here's the recording of it, and here is what the plan was after that. whether it was executed or not. in this case, the underlying

crime -- i guess it was this relationship with russia and in being the manchurian candidate. or was there another underlying crime by missing? >> andy: there is no underlying crime. again, to this theme of the melding of the politics and the law, what we need to remember about watergate is that nixon won reelection in 1972 by what was then i think the biggest landslide in the history of the country. within about a year and a half he was gone. and the reason that happened is because there was not only proof of a crime, there was a surge of political consensus in the country that the president had to be removed. that scandal, to compare this, what's going on today, and that -- it's a laughable comparison. >> harris: the impeachment process, he resigned. if people think that the president -- and you could talk about the pressure, the legality, all that. but if people think that

impeachment means you remove someone from office automatically, that's not true. >> andy: but he would have been removed. >> harris: the democrats are not being forthcoming, though, on what potentially could happen. that this is really a political -- >> dagen: but they are assuming the american people are stupid, and we don't remember watergate. and those of us who weren't alive then -- i was -- won't go back and research all of the crimes, including the break-in of daniel ellsberg -- excuse me, his psychiatrist's office. he was the one who leaked the pentagon papers. it was one of the crimes were talking about. i would call this a dog and pony show but that's an insult to doggies and ponies who are adorable and awesome. instead you've got this worn-out old bag of wind up there on capitol hill, wasting all our time and money! >> harris: we've got to skate. i will come to you next time, capri. we are awaiting president trump, actually, about to depart to iowa. he might stop and speak to reporters on his way to boarding marine one. may. he usually does. we will be purged, people. we will bring you any remarks as

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again, these or similar tax we heard when president trump was running for the presidency in tt place. but joe biden is very gaffe-prone. according to some democrats, undisciplined. it's really joe biden who has to avoid making a mistake. particularly if he's going to try and hammer the president. >> harris: i look at how out of practice people can get. i don't want to necessarily point a finger at him, but we waited upwards of two weeks for him to respond to the nudge up against #metoo when the reviews videos. and there was a hugger and all that. that was before he even got in. there was a delay after he and the alexandria ocasio-cortez exchange of comments. remember the diner? where to wait several days to hear what his fee on that. when you have not been in the arena, so to speak, fighting -- and social media has taken on a whole new life -- it causes you to want to have these moments one on one, and you may be couldn't even take on those in your own party. i would be curious to see what

it looks like when you're slightly out of practice. i saw the pennsylvania speech, i watched it. he had some jabs to the president then. but he's in a different time, a different year right now. you've got to be quick, you've got to be fast across all sorts of platforms. you can be skipping high-level events. i know it's family and he had a reason for not being of the other one, capri, however, are you in the game are not? because you got to play with those around you. that ratio on twitter makes you stronger. that -- being in that arena makes it stronger. you are about to take on somebody who's a masterful marketer. >> capri: president trump is absolutely a world-class marketer. i think in regards to joe biden, look, we will leave this last iowa situation aside because of the family situation. but one of the reasons why -- >> harris: ohio? he didn't go to california for the democratic convention. he had another event. >> capri: which was in an lgbt event in ohio.

here's what he's trying to do -- she's trying to stay out of the fray and act like he is already the nominee, and -- >> harris: how did inevitability work out for hillary clinton? >> capri: you took it out of my mouth. he is running the risk of acting like it's an inevitable outcome, and that's -- >> harris: even my sue size has changed in the years after kids. nothing is inevitable. >> dagen: you brought it up, we're talking about the inevitability in iowa. hillary clinton, november 10th, 2007, she was leading barack obama in the real clear politics national average. 46-24%. john edwards was the third. then there was the jefferson jackson dinner, obama spoke last, boom, he had a ground game in place and look where he wound up. >> melissa: i think biden do something good for the president in the sense that he reminds people like the farmers what it was like before. and if they are feeling frustrated about the situation now, and about the retaliation

from china, or they are upset about any of the changes that have gone on to try and break up what has been the american practice for a long time on sending jobs overseas, tariffs, china's treatment, on other countries, him standing there talking reminds them, "wait, it was really terrible under president obama." and those were the policies we had to get rid of. >> dagen: and want to get andy in here. >> andy: it seems like he is not fit for this particular electorate. part of the thing that drives some of us crazy about trump but that he seems to know better than people like we know is that he wants to be headlong in the fray all the time. we complain, "he's punching down, he shouldn't." that's what people want. i don't know that they care as much whether it's good or bad, is whether you are in there fighting. i just wonder, can you win with

a strategy where you are actually trying to stay above the fray and away from it and almost making yourself irrelevant? >> capri: i think he can survive the primary that way. >> andy: i don't think he can do it. one of democratic voters are looking for a true moderate, that would be like pete buttigieg. not people to judge, i'm thinking john delaney. that would be more like him. people are trying to figure out where he is on some issues. >> andy: how many debates will have? you can't say both the fray. you have to be in it, you might us will get in. >> capri: just a few weeks away. >> dagen: karl rove rode about this, about biden. "if he goes into august body but unbowed, if you can parry with the democratic candidates who will take shots at him about his gender, who is going to be the first to call them out for being an older white guy?" >> andy: hey! [laughs] >> harris: you're not old! >> andy: thank you!

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deal, as well as "the new york times." the times reported that much of the deal with mexico had been negotiated months ago. andy, do you buy it, that argument? i'm sure they didn't come up with new terms over the weekend. it was the idea -- i would assume, if you are logical, there are always conversations going on. the sides are going, "here's something i might do." it's kind of when you return to close the deal and the other side is nurturing the phone call. and you are like, "where are you, do you have a deal?" then he slaps the threat of the tariffs so they come to washington moment later and solve the deal. >> andy: i think you're right about that. this could have floated around forever. it could be -- it's not definite -- it could be something that has some upside for the united states. i think lindsey graham is right that if the main problem we have here is our law, which clearly is with the main problem is, we will always be beholden to

mexico in terms of how much they will comply with what they have now agreed to do. whereas we have -- if we could just get over our dysfunction and legislate, we wouldn't be putting our welfare in the hands of -- >> capri: democrats and republicans both need to come to the table, though. we've seen time and time again on immigration, there's been this game of ping-pong back-and-forth. democrats say, "we want some permanent for dreamers," and republicans saying, "we won't do that because it's amnesty." we do need "conference of immigration reform," something sweeping, but what i think we need to do is be realistic and pragmatic and do something incremental that can get done, but we need the -- >> melissa: but the criticism is that subtle solution. nothing is, it's going to get so bad there's a whole bunch of things we have to do. we have people who want to come here for economic purposes, speed purposes,

dagen. which perfect sense. we have jobs that are open. we talked about people coming up in claiming asylum because that's the way to get in when we want to come for economic reasons and we need workers who can sort through all those people and figure out who would work with in our system. but congress sits around and does nothing. >> dagen: and this does dovetail. what could happen, and in a vague tweet -- it wasn't very specific, yesterday, talking about a fully signed and documented very important part of the immigration security deal with mexico. it's going to be on an asylum overhaul in mexico. people seeking asylum would have to claim in there and not here in the united states united states. >> melissa: and wait. >> dagen: they would have to claim asylum there in central america central america. senator graham -- it's called a safe third country designation. migrants fling their homeland to pass the mexico, you apply for asylum there. but senator graham, as part of his secure and protect act, is

proposing four refugee processing centers in mexico and central america, so people apply for asylum there. again, there are solutions here. president trump knows the democrats are going to do jack all that would benefit him or the american people, and basically help out with the border crisis, this humanitarian crisis. so he went directly to mexico. i don't agree with the tariffs, but if he gets more and more out of mexico and the steel it's a win for him and a win for america, and people know that. >> andy: can i just think also, though -- do you know of anything in your life that has a comprehensive solution is there anything we deal with that has got complexity to it, that we expect to get solved comprehensively? it doesn't happen. what we do is deal with emergencies, with the exigencies as they come up pick, we address them. that changes the equation and we have to deal with the equation that is in front of us. the idea that you can resolve

things that are pressing, exigent issues, because you need to have a conference of solution that solves everything that is conceivable, that's ridiculous. it's not the way life works. >> melissa: no, it's only the way politics works. we understand the president is speaking now. we were telling you, he would be on the ground in iowa at the same time that former vice president joe biden is. he's taking off for that. as he's en route, we are getting remarks and we will have those for you coming up. in the meantime, the justice department outlining to congress its investigation into the origins of the russia probe. what these details mean, and who should be worrying. we will debate that coming up. ♪

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gets there. this is about to get spicy, right? and adjusted. we will show you the videotape as we get it from the white house. right now, because we have occur on the ground, where getting some topics. mexico is one, joe biden is another, and the witch hunt is another. here's what he just said about joe biden. "he's the weakest mentally, and i like running against mentally weak men. this game is on." i see you out of the corner of my eye, andy mccarthy. it's on. if anybody thinks the politics the politics haven't begun, dissuade to the end of the day and i will. we are covering it as the president speaks we will bring that video right away. joe biden said to sit on my kickoff. kimmy sammy temps jimenez's name? a lot. he merely goes after him. it'll be according to what he speaks. the justice department has received new details in his investigation the investigators. the doj wrote this.

"the review is broad in scope and multifaceted, and is intended to eliminate the activities of the foreign services as well as nongovernmental organizations and individuals. the attorney general looks forward to obtaining a better understanding of the critical period leading up to the 2016 presidential election, which to date has not been fully examined." house judiciary republican john ratcliffe says the doj investigation will look at the actions of former obama-era until officials. watch. >> a broad and multifaceted investigation by john durham. let me translate that for you -- he's looking into unauthorized leaking of classified information. he is looking into people lying under oath, and he's looking into potential abuses of the fisa process. everyone has talked about the fbi and the department of justice. yesterday's letter is cluing in the cia involvement. >> harris: president trump has

it granted bill barr the authority to declassified documents related to the russia probe and surveillance of the trump campaign. all this as we await the release of the doj inspector general inl horowitz's report on the use of the fisa process to get a warrant to survey a former trump campaign associates, carter page. there's a lot to unpack. with the headline to you that we did take away? >> andy: that line is we're going to to find out what the genesis of it is. i think the attorney general is committed to making sure that we have an expiration for what happen here, and i think he is going about it the right way. which is to say that he is not prejudging the facts, not out there saying people committed perjury and -- they are not seeing the crazy things that were said about trump in connection with collusion with russia, but they are saying we are going to find out what happened here. and it's important we find out what happened here because we

have a norm in this country that's important to preserve against the use of surveillance laws to target them at political campaigns. as somebody who cares about national security a lot more than i care about these campaigns, i can tell you firsthand that if we don't have these authorities we cannot protect the country. and if the public doesn't think that we hold people accountable, if they've been abused, then they are going to demand that congress -- the country is going to be a lot more vulnerable. >> harris: i want -- people will find out those words, "can protect the country." what do you mean by that? >> andy: if the immediate threat you're dealing with, for example, is international terrorist organizations, jihadists who attack and target civilian populations for mass murder attacks, who infiltrate this community is and act among

them until they strike, the only weapon you have in that kind of a struggle is intelligence. they don't have an army you feed on the battlefield. they don't have a treasure you can take away to eviscerate their existence. you have intelligence or you don't. you can protect the country or you can't. you can either prevent things from happening where you can contact yourself with prosecuting whoever needs to be prosecuted after markets have been killed. that's what's at stake. it's a lot more important. the 2016 election's history. the mueller report didn't find that there was a big espionage conspiracy. whatever we find out, more about that might be of some interest to historians, ultimately. what's vital to the country as we are able to protect the national security of the united states. if we don't show the public that we can hold people accountable and make sure that these powers are only invoked when they need

to be invoked and preserve them for protecting the country, the people that we are trusting to protect the country can't do it. >> harris: i hope people are listening as well as watching. i know sometimes people walk away from their tv. but what you just said, it's profound and salient. i haven't heard anybody put it that way. it's so true. we are going to watch for the president's remarks. as i said, things got spicy on the campaign trail. he may be the front runner, joe biden, we don't know with the other 23 candidates will look like. but right now he and president trump seem to be taking each other on on this day as they both end up in the next little while and i. on his way to iowa, boarding marine one right now, he is currently talking with reporters. as we get the videotape from that -- because we will have to wait a few more minutes to be able to show you what he's saying -- he is making news saying that joe biden is "the weakest mentally, and i like running against mentally weak

men." paraphrasing him only a little bit there. you will be able to see for yourself momentarily. joe biden promising, too, to go after the current president as he hits iowa. a very important day ahead of 2020, because this potentially could really focus us in. i see dagen nodding, on the game getting started. so we are covering it all and we will show it to you as it happens. stay with us. we're carvana, the company who invented car vending machines and buying a car 100% online. now we've created a brand new way for you to sell your car. whether it's a year old or a few years old, we want to buy your car. so go to carvana and enter your license plate,

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>> melissa: right now the president is talking to reporters, and he hasn't stopped. that's why we keep telling you we are going to bring you this sound as soon as it's turned around. it turns out this is turning into a long back and forth between the president and reporters, and we've seen those before. let me give you a little bit of color on what's been said so far. a lot of talk about the issues that are out there. mexico and et cetera, but a lot about joe biden, as well. of course the president is on his way to iowa and he knows joe biden is going to be taking a lot of shots at him there. this is a bit of a preemptive strike. he says that joe biden thought china was not a competitor. biden is a dummy, he thought they were not a competitor, china made billions against obama and biden." and he goes on to say that china wants to make a deal very badly.

he talks about nancy pelosi, and said, "she was here, she made a horrible statement." while he was with the queen. and the president of france, you are not supposed to do that. the one that committed the crimes of the democrats and the others. so he goes on with a lot of different things there. and it seems to get the tape we will play it for you. this is, capri, the back and forth we are seeing as he gets ready to take on joe biden. joe biden has kind of taken -- he has tried to take the high road a bit, to this point. we've been talking about, can he stay in that position? or does he have to really get in there? the speech he will make today. what we've seen, it's been a lot more attack in it. >> capri: he is taking swings. we've heard that joe biden is going to mention, the fact that trump doesn't pay his vendors, that he doesn't care about farmers, or whatever. those are things that came up in 2016. i distinctly remember being at

an afl-cio dinner back in 2016 where everybody was talking about how trauma ties were made in china and you can trust this guy. i'd bring this up to say that joe biden is mentioning trump-like 44 times or something like this in iowa. if he wants -- if joe biden is going to actually be to donald trump, he has to be about something more than just being against donald trump. particularly because he has couched himself as a person that is the most electable. and why is that? because he can appeal to those voters. if you insult the -- >> melissa: but he can't. there was this interesting focus group that went on in pennsylvania, and they were talking to folks that they thought were going to -- who voted for president obama, then voted for president trump, and they want to know if you are now going back to biden. one thing they found was that many of these voters felt biden portrayal of the nasa video was a complete lie. in the words of one participant. that's a direct quote.

and they thought it's what he might have trouble in this area. he's trying to say, "i am morally superior to the president." isn't going to work? go ahead. >> dagen: i just see a present, like it or not, who drives a new cycle and our minds of people who voted for him, "i have a long checklist that i'm going through the list. dealing with the immigration crisis, time and again." that's why he still resonates with farmers even though their businesses are hurting because they see them trying to bring jobs back to the american. >> melissa: will be right back. ok everyone!

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i will do a pavement dive. [laughter] >> andy: i feel much safer. >> melissa: we want to teed up for harris, the president will be out any second. we've got a preview of what he's about to say and it's quite fiery. don't go away, here's harris. >> harris: let's do that breaking news. president trump hitting hard against joe biden ahead of their show done and i would today. "outnumbered overtime" now, i'm harris faulkner. president trump preemptively taking aim at the democratic front runner before campaigning in the hawkeye state. questioning biden's ability to take on the role of commander in chief as the former vp prepares to mount his own criticism in this critical swing states. chief white house correspondent john roberts is live at the white house. we will have a quick condo. some spicy words already to set us off. >> look at what's going on today, harris. he would think it's already down to the general election in a two-person race, because joe biden in a speech later on today -- which we've got an