an hour behind. still waiting on vice president biden. we just got the two minute warning there that is the story on this tuesday night as 2020 campaign continues. we will see you back here tomorrow night at 7:00. tucker carlson up next in d.c. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." on august 9th, 1974, richard nixon announced he was resigning the presidency. that was almost 45 years ago. the nixon administration ended that day. and so did the relevance of anything john dean has to say. dean, you will remember, if you are old, was nixon's white house counsel during watergate. he helped orchestrate the payoffs and cover-up that brought down his boss. dean was incarcerated for that he was convicted and insofar as rated. that's pretty much all you need to know about john dean. is he the living answer to a trivia question that is until this week. yesterday, house democrats brought dean to congress to

testify up on capitol hill. not about richard nixon but about the mueller investigation. the mueller investigation? john dean is 80 years old. he has nothing to do with robert mueller or his investigation. dean hasn't worked in any of the last 8 presidential administrations. when john dean last held a politically relevant job, francisco franco ran spain. it was a long time ago. so why was dean on capitol hill? simple, he works for jeff zucker now as a cnn contributor. democrats wanted to hear him talk like this. >> if i had the channel a little of richard nixon, i think he would tell this president he is going too far. this is a sort of stuff banana republic. this is what an autocrat does. >> do you think though that this is proving that he is unhinged, concerns about that or reports about that? >> he certainly acts unhinged. he is thinking like putin would think. >> what i think we are witnessing is a very public

obstruction of justice. he, as i see it, has already exceeded everything that nixon did. >> you are saying, in your opinion, donald trump is -- has gone farther than richard nixon did to obstruct justice? >> that's exactly what i'm saying. i think trump is nixon on steroids and stilts. >> tucker: nixon on steroids certain kind of dim whited baby boomer this kind of thing is totally irresistible. peanut butter cup pizza. at the hearing dean admitted he didn't have any relevant knowledge of anything that happened in this century but he still 100 percent positive that donald trump is more evil than richard nixon ever was. >> the last time i appeared before your committee was july 11, 1974. during the impeachment inquiry of richard nixon. clearly i'm not here today as a fact witness. in many ways the mueller report is to president trump

what the so-called watergate road map was to president richard nixon. >> tucker: i am not a fact witness dean conceded. what other kinds of witnesses are there? editorial witnesses? people who have no idea what they are talking about but feel very strongly about it? the entire hearing went like this and dean wasn't the only cable news analyst there democrats invited a lot of them. they detroited out a fake expert for example called barbara mcquade. mcquade is an msnbc legal analyst once a u.s. attorney before donald trump fired her. since then she has been on call to reassure jittery msnbc viewers that the 2016 election wasn't actually real. and in any cases big orange will be gone very soon. >> the conduct diswribsd in the report constitutes multiple crimes of obstruction of justice. it's supported by evidence of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt and i'm confident that

if anyone, other than a sitting president, committed this conduct, that person would be charged with crimes. >> tucker: oh it sounds so official. as expected, mcquade read from the approved script on monday. she may have no relevant knowledge or expertise none whatsoever. she is nevertheless very certain that donald trump is a criminal. >> it could be that president trump procured the presidency by fraud what immigrants procure their citizenship by fraud we strip them of their citizenship. when a president procures his presidency by fraud, should we consider doing the same? >> tucker: it wasn't on like this all day long in case you missed it. there was no discussion of robert mueller's findings. for a few hours c-span looked like cnn panel as people in makeup thundered for impeachment. in fact, the whole show was an indication of you who weak pro-impeachment forces really are. despite all the

investigations, all the ranting you see on cable news. house democrats still don't have the votes typically peach donald trump. the talking heads showed up yesterday to rally the base and to prod democrats towards impeachment trial. did it work? not clear. probably not. but there was another reason for the hearing, too. we shouldn't overlook it. while democrats continue to burrow through the mueller report trying to twist its ho-hum findings in high crimes and misdemeanors. william barr is digging deeper into the spying. the doj spying before and after the 2016 election. the fbi surveilled donald trump's campaign now we're finding out how extensive that spying was and how flimsy the justification for it. democrats know that barr's findings could be horrifying, embarrassing, maybe even devastating. they could help president trump get reelected. if you are on the left right now it's a good idea to muddy the waters. if it takes calling john dean out of retirement. well worth it. fox senior political annual list brit hume covered john

dean the first time around. he joining us tonight to assess dean this time. brit, great to see you. >> thank you, tucker. people missed done dean yesterday it might have been because his testimony and that of his fellow witnessed yesterday was knocked off the air by a helicopter crash in new york that killed one person. >> tucker: yes. >> otherwise not that big of story. but big enough to knock john dean off the air which gives you the idea of the news value of it. john dean is as you pointed out convicted felon who did time for obstruction of justice. he was -- you know, he wasn't really a watergate coconspirator he was the mastermind and before he was the watergate cover-up master mind he was also the master mind of the cover-up of the beard scandal which preceded watergate a story which i did a lot of work on. and in the course of doing that the fbi found that this particular memo that set off the whole scandal was authentic. dean tried to get the fbi to change the letter asserting its you authenticity. that is the sort of chap

john dean was and as best we can tell that's the sort of chap he is that he would be the star witness in a house hearing about donald trump is quite remarkable but, remember, we earlier had a house hearing in which michael cohen was the star witness. so i suppose we shouldn't be terribly surprised. >> tucker: so do you think bernie madoff will be testifying before house financial services on investment reform? i guess what you are saying it's a little odd to see john dean giving america lectures about ethics? >> yeah, of course it is. and, you know it, is a little surprising to me that our colleagues over at cnn have made him a contributor and have him on the air all the time. i mean, i suspect that i'm old enough to have been around during john dean's hay day as president nixon's white house counsel and cover-up planner seems to me a lot of people at cnn

weren't. he was able to reduce his sentence by testifying against his boss who anybody at the time would have considered a good guy and least of all experts on ethics. >> tucker: maybe the idea was having someone on cnn who could say trump is worse than nixon maybe that was worth paying him a contributor contract brit brit saying things are worse than watergate is something that john dean has been doing for some time. he said that about george w. bush. [laughter] >> he did. it's what he does. i guess he has gotten himself on television doing that but it doesn't really add up to much of a reason to take him very seriously. thanks to the helicopter crash the americans were spared the experience. >> tucker: it's interesting the impeachment conversation -- clearly, the thee attics were designed in order to spur democrats towards supporting impeachment. i don't know if it was effective in doing that or not. we have been for two months since the release of the

mueller report been talking about whether or not there is going to be a move towards impeachment and it's not clear that democrats have the votes even now. why is that? >> well, i think they don't have the votes because the crime that everybody suspected that donald trump might be guilty of, the mueller report pretty aauthor terrifically knocked down. that is to say he was complicit with the russians. the mueller report simply did not find that that, of course, raises questions about what would have been the motivation for him to obstruct the investigation since did was investigation into something that he, evidently, did not do. i think the reason to bring john dean up there was perhaps an effort to try to recap the temperature drama of his watergate testimony and make no ms. stake about it, tucker. it was quite dramatic and he was quite effective witness. you could have heard a pin drop in that senate caucus room. the famous room where so many hearings were held there when he was testifying. he was meticulous witness and prepared witness. and he was effective against nixon. so i suspect that they were seeking to recreate some of

those at most fear ricks. given his record and given all that's gone before, it clearly was not going to happen and it didn't. >> tucker: very quickly, what do you think the odds are that alexandria ocasio-cortez has any idea who john dean is? >> i suspect perhaps today she does. i don't know how much she knew before the last several days. of course, if she watches cnn a lot, she may, you know, she may be one of his fans, who knows. [laughter] >> tucker: and doubtless she does. brit hume, great to see you tonight. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: mark meadows is a republican who represents north carolina and he joins us tonight. congressman, thanks very much for coming on. so, what was the purpose of this, do you think? >> well, look, bret layed it out very well. i mean, they had to go out and find a witness and john dean has made a career of comparing everybody to richard nixon and everybody is worse than richard nixon according to him.

and, yeah, here they come back with a cnn paid contributor trying to lay out an argument that actually fell flat. i think the biggest thing, tucker, is this: you know, there was that movie ground hog day where bill murray, this is a groundhog day kind of hearing. they kant get it right so they keep coming back over and over and over again trying to convince the american people that the president is guilty when, indeed, the evidence suggests otherwise. >> tucker: what's interesting is that when house democrats want to convince the country that the president should be impeached, they call not actual experts but they call msnbc and cnn elmly nos. is that odd? >> it's very odd and interestingly, one of those witnesses yesterday tweeted out in 2017 that the steele dossier was a credible document that the fisa court obviously thought it was -- now, you and i both know

that not only do we know that it's not credible and not only do the american people know that the dossier and christopher steele was not credible. but the fbi knew that before the very first fisa warrant. and so, yet, they are going to try to convince the american people theatrics instead of the facts. the fact that he said he was not a fact witness, there is not a truer statement that has been uttered on capitol hill than that statement by john dean yesterday. >> tucker: taking off your partisan hat and put on your prognosticator hat, whatever that looks like, are they going to impeach, or not? >> obviously, i don't think they impeach mainly because if they have looked at the same polls that we have looked at, the vast majority of americans believe that everybody who is waiting for the mueller report to say was there collusion. when there was none, unaffiliated voters, republican voters, all believe that impeachment would be divisive and

certainly you can even make the case if they impeach it actually helps the president of the united states. i think it's so divisive that we shouldn't do it. but, in the end, i think that they are going to try to do death by a thousand cuts and have hearing after hearing after hearing and try inflict as much partisan damage as they possibly can. >> tucker: isn't that a tough case to make to your own voters though? for two years they tell us the president is a criminal, a traitor, he literally has committed treason on behalf of a hostile foreign power but no, we are not impeaching him? how does that make sense? >> well, it is very difficult when you try to lay out the case. here's the other thing that they know is coming. you have been talking about it night in and night out here 8:00 hour. you have been talking about the fact there is other information coming. i'm telling you attorney general bill barr and john kumar they are on this case. what we will find is this whole conspiracy case and

actually the whole case against the president and obstruction will started to fall apart as we look at transparency and make sure the american people can judge for themselves. that's what they're afraid of. they're going to inflict as much damage as they can right now because there are better days ahead for the president of the united states as it relates to this particular investigation. >> tucker: call obama up. the obama administration spied on a rival presidential campaign using federal agencies. i mean, that seems like a headline to me. congressman, great to see you tonight. thank you. >> great to be with you, tucker, thanks. >> tucker: americans keep getting into trouble, often fatal down in the caribbean. trying to get to the bottom of it in the dominican republic. we sent someone down and spoke to the president of the dr and one of the main backers of tourism down there. our exclusive investigation continues live from the dominican republic after this. ♪ ♪

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these answers straight to the top modena is the president of the dominican republic, he has been in office since 2012. he was the ground breaking event yesterday. so we went with our questions. here's what happened. watch. mr. president -- mr. president -- i want to ask you about the recent deaths of four americans here in resort. mr. president, just a meant, sir? now, one of the gentleman you see there, tucker, that the president medina is talking to is one of the wealthiest investors in the dominican republic. he spoke to me afterwards is he worried about the impact these deaths may have on tourism. here is some of what he had to say. listen. >> when people come to all inexclusive. people have a tendency to drink and eat more than often. and that's where the problem begins because when you get

everything free, then you a make a party out of it. so, sometimes people may not be capable of drinking and eating as much and that's why you have [inaudible] it's not a problem of the mini bar. president medina is a very responsible man. and i'm sure he is involved personally supervising making sure that all these comes to an end and he gets a clear picture of why that happened. >> now, when it comes to the mini bar, you heard him mention it there the hard rock casino in punta cana we showed that you video of the mini bar where had you full fifth of liquor in there issuing a statement sending sincerist condolences of the family of mr. wallace and

david harrison and said the ongoing investigation. saying this, quote: we can assure you the safety and health of our guest is now and has always been our highest priority. we currently implement beverage protocols including purchasing sealed and unopened products from licensed and reputable vendors as well as daily inspections of all products sold throughout the hotel bars and in-room liquor dispensers. at least the hard rock responding to our investigation. you know, it is going to be the final toxicology and pathology reports of the last four individuals that have died here and the meciousz that have died here. can i also add to this the motel resort behind me, tucker, this is where that maryland couple edward holmes and cynthia day were unresponsive. didn't check out on time. found dead in their room on may 30th. their attorney telling me about 30 minutes ago they just got the bodies back today to maryland. he will do his own independent autopsy and toxicology reports. we will find out what those results tell us when they're

available. tucker? >> tucker: so those are the people mr. rainieri may have eaten themselves to death because the food was free? >> well, you know, he is clearly a billionaire on the island that has a big stake in all of this. he pointed out, tucker. >> tucker: didn't seem a plausible explanation. pretty unbelievable interview. >> it tells us one thing, tucker that is that they are scrambling in the wake of these tragic deaths and certainly hope no more happen. >> yeah. that's pretty amazing. griff jenkins, thanks a lot. we will see you tomorrow. our joint investigation with our friends "fox & friends" continues tomorrow. kirsten gillibrand says you are the bad one. you are no better than a clan member.

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♪ ♪ >> tucker: well, we are a long way from seeing the race to choose the democratic nominee almost a year but joe biden is acting like it's already over. biden is preparing himself, he says, for an all-out war with president trump. today cnn carried this kyron saying that joe biden was ready to quote eviscerate the president. turned out to be a fitting term. in a speech today biden didn't speak of trump like a politician or even a human being. he described the president as if he were the leader of an enemy country. watch. >> i believe that the president is literally an existential threat to america. and so i think is he genuinely a threat to our core values and a threat to our standing in the world. i think there is a genuine threat to american

democracy. >> tucker: host "the daily briefing" with dana perino she joins us tonight. dana, great to see you tonight. >> thank you. >> tucker: when you hear someone use the face literally an existential threat to america, what does that mean? >> well, look, i could go to the dictionary and look up he can ten, some peoplexistenti. remember when greg gutfeld used to do banned phrases on "the five." i have asked him to ban this phrase existential because, one, does joe biden really think that america is under threat that democracy is under threat. i understand he thinks donald trump is a bad president and he can campaign on that. actually if you are worried about norms and the constitution and the institutions, actually, go issue by issue and they have held up pretty well. i would say this though. joe biden isn't the only one acting like this is a general election contest between biden and trump.

president trump is actually doing the same. elevating joe biden and this is coming at a time just when other contenders on the left were starting to take little bites at joe biden. and if i were president trump, i would be sowing that chaos and let them feel comfortable going after biden. there is plenty to try. there is the hyde amendment. the flip flop on abortion. there is china. that happened today. there is the iraq war, the crime bill. it's kind of a never-ending thing. i do wonder about going after biden so aggressively and then getting liberals to coalesce behind biden because is he being attacked by president trump this early. >> tucker: maybe the white house thinks biden is the best challenger they could face? >> well, i think -- well, actually, out of this -- i wouldn't think so out of the 20? i could pick some other ones that i would say yeah, they would never become president

of the united states. and i listen to people who think that biden would be a terrible candidate. it could be. all right? but if the election were held today, actually, like joe biden is in pretty good shape. a year from now in june of 2020 who knows what we will be talking about. but right now. >> tucker: that's right. >> one thing that's interesting is at the end of biden's speech in which he did not eviscerate president trump and by the way if you are going to give a speech don't tell people you are going to eviscerate someone. like in one of your monologues you don't have them call up the president and say make sure to watch tucker because he is going to eviscerate someone tonight. what happens watch monologue and if people think that's the evisceration that's the kind of buzz it gets. you don't pregame an evisceration. don't ever do that a little tip from the press secretary. >> tucker: these are verbal criticisms. you can devalue the language if you overuse hyperbolic

terms like eviscerate. do you know what i mean? one elderly politician criticizing another elderly politician. >> dana: it's too much. i would say this: biden nomination is no sure thing. he even says that at the end. he says look, i know they show me the polls. i know the polls are really good. i'm not taking anything for granted. we will know a lot more in two weeks. i'm excited to be on your program if you will have me on the night of the first democratic debate. because that is going to show you who can have a moment, who will be able to snipe at him. elizabeth warren had a pretty good week and in iowa her favorability is way up. >> tucker: yes. >> dana: she is one point behind bernie sanders, i if i were president trump i would let bernie sanders and elizabeth warren take each other on. he doesn't have to do anything right now but he can't resist. >> tucker: take issue with one thing the president said he said that biden is mentally the weakest in the field. it seems obvious to me that

that prize would go every single time to bill de blasio of new york. wouldn't it. >> de blasio. there is this poll that came out. for those of you who don't know the mayor of new york city just thrown his hat in for president. is he less popular in new york state than donald trump, which is really saying something. because, hatred for donald trump in new york state is kind of a given. if bill de blasio is actually more disliked than donald trump, that is really saying something because people can see it with their own ice. they see what's happening to the city. they get it. in fact, in some ways they probably think please, go to iowa and campaign for the next 18 months and leave us alone. >> tucker: i think it's really been helpful for new york with him on the road. dana perino, it's great to see you. we will see you in two weeks if not sooner. >> date night. okay, thanks. >> tucker: more than 20 democrats running for

democrats right now on most major issues they agree with each other completely. for example, all of them hate borders, at least america's borders and want them to go away. what do democrats actually agree on? what do they like most? and the answer, it turns out is abortion. democrats previously said they wanted abortion to be safe, legal and rare. you remember that they don't say that anymore. modern democrats want abortion to be late, common and subsidized by taxpayers. it's not even that the left denies that abortion is killing. honorable nest liberals admit it is in fact killing they just don't care. feminist author sophie lewis put it in precisely those terms. watch this. >> abortion is, in my opinion, and i recognize how controversial this is, a form of killing. it is a form of killing that we need to be able to defend. i am not interested in where a human life starts to

exist. >> tucker: so abortion is killing even sophie lewis who is 100 percent for it concedes that. what if that bothers you? what if you think it's wrongs to take innocent human life? well, senator kirsten gillibrand has very strong feelings about that. has an answer, if you disagree that abortion should be legal up until the moment of birth, not restricted in any way and paid for by tax dollars, you are not simply wrong, you are evil, you are on par with racist maybe even the nazis. here is senator gillibrand. >> i think there are some issues that have such moral clarity that we have as a society decided that the other side is not acceptable imagine saying that it's okay to appoint a judge who is racist or anti-semitic or homophobic. telling -- asking someone to appoint someone who takes away basic human rights of any group of people in america, i think that we

are -- we have -- i don't think those are political issues anymore. >> tucker: senator gillibrand is very against taking away any basic human rights from anybody, of course, unless those people are unborn and can't vote and therefore can't help her attain power in which case they are not useful killing them is fine. lila rhodes is the founder of the pro-life group proaction and joins us tonight. before i ask you about senator gillibrand. there was a report tonight that your organization was in effect censored by pinterest. the tech company and put in the same company as porn. confirm that if you would. >> sure, it's been a busy day, tucker. there has been an insider from the popular web sight pinterest a love of women love to use. pin pictures of babies, pro-life pins, live action has been totally banned it's because they say we

originally were a porn web sight which we are not obviously. we are a pro-life organization. and now they are saying it's because we dwell on conspiracy theories and we're harmful to public health. at the same time, abortion clinics are on pinterest, the same website and they're running ads to promote selling abortions online. so it's absolutely insanity coming from this big tech company in san francisco that is censoring the pro-life message. >> tucker: so this comes from. we couldn't verify this. it sounds right to me. i don't know the answer. but this comes from a -- you say whistle blower. what happened to that person? >> he was fired today. i have actually just been in contact with him. he was an employee at pinterest. he bravely shared the news that pinterest is knot being fair like they claim they are. they say they allow anybody to share positive messages or even serious political messages on their platform and yet, this insider has now been fired after he broke the news this morning and live action has been now totally banned from the website.

so it's incredible to see the bias. soaks police sit and so blatant from the website that claims to allow anybody to share messages whether you are a pro-life, pro-choice, whatever you are. >> tucker: i don't know who this person is but obviously this person is always welcome on this show. >> he is brave. he is a brave whistle blower. >> tucker: respond if you would to kirsten gillibrand who is running for president after all. her claim that if you're uncomfortable with abortion you are like a racist. >> yeah. well, look, kirsten gillibrand has zero percent i think. she is polling at zero percent. her comments are held this idea it's not even justified to have the pro-life position. you are a racist. that term is just thrown around today. but saying that you are even a racist to be pro-life. half of america is pro-life. why are we pro-life? because we believe in human rights. she invoked human rights. well, we believe in the right to life for every human being. in the womb and outside of the womb. it's our first human right.

it's in the declaration of independence. her position of abortion throughout all nine moncts for any reason is held by all the candidates for president. every single one of them want abortion through all nine months. that's their position and out of touch put vast majority of americans, including most democrats. they don't want abortion on demand for any reason. so, she is completely out of touch and it's astonishing for her to say this. >> tucker: i think they have gone too far, even for them. lila rose, thank you. great to see you tonight. >> thanks, tucker. thanks for having me. >> tucker: the left is always telling you how much they love immigrants as long as immigrants are very quiet and agree with them. if they are not, they might end up like the immigrant college professor who is being attacked, actually some are saying he should be fired because he opposes illegal immigration. that professor joins us after the break ♪ ♪ ign? when i needed to create a better visitor experience. improve our workflow. attract new customers. that's when fastsigns recommended fleet graphics.

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♪ ♪ >> tucker: the creepy porn lawyer's legal issues have put his presidential ambitions on hold, at least for now. 20 to life probably. but absolutely still on the campaign trail at least in spirit. here's proof. today in iowa joe biden tried out a new slogan for his campaign. watch. >> he says let's make america great again. let's make america america again. [applause] >> tucker: that sounded kind of familiar to us so we rooted around in our fox video archives and we found cpl saying exactly the same thing in new hampshire last august. watch. >> we will make america respected again. and above all else, we will make america america again.

>> tucker: well, it's not the first time that joe biden has stolen someone else's words. probably won't be the last. plagiarism is for every. creepy porn lawyer is not upset he told the daily caller news foundation he doesn't mind biden stealing his line. for one cpl is the last person to complain about theft. who knows maybe if biden wins he will give him a creepy porn pardon. >> tucker: a history professor at georgette college outside of atlanta. the kind of immigrant we would want in this country. is he h educated and knows the english well and cares a lot about what's best for the united states, his new country. professor zhu is also a critic of illegal immigration. for that he has been attacked. it's a thought crime. some are calling for him to be fired. one lawmaker in georgia even voiced plans to write to his

college to voice quote concerns orwellian term. president zhu says he won't back down and he joins us tonight. professor, thanks very much for coming on. >> thank you for having me. first of all i'm associate professor with job security. my institution has an academic freedom policy. i teach students the difference between legal and illegal immigration. so lumping legal and illegal immigration together is not only wrong it's deeply offensive. it's like lumping pharmacists and drug dealers together and calling an illegal immigrant a quote undocumented immigrant is like calling a drug dealer, quote an unlicensed pharmacist or a student who intentionally cheated on a test a, quote: answer key borrower. >> tucker: if i had a professor like you in college, i probably would have learned something and enjoyed it. what do your kids say? what do you're students say when you peel off a line

like that. >> most of my students are against illegal immigration. i respect everyone's viewpoints. i tell students you don't have to believe me. if you want to make a convincing argument, please provide evidence. >> tucker: do you provide evidence to back up your positions on immigration? >> absolutely. there have been numerous studies, harvard professor george has conducted the most in-depth statistical analysis on negative consequences of illegal immigration on the american economy and how that directly lowers the incomes of high school graduates, those r. with less than high school diploma in the united states. >> tucker: yeah. so, for the saying what you just said, backing up an opinion with evidence in this case by harvard researcher, some are saying that you should be fired from your job. what does that tell you? >> well, first of all, i have job security. i'm an associate professor. my institution has an academic freedom policy.

my perspective is everyone is entitled to their opinions. i don't know this lawmaker. she doesn't represent me. i have never met her. she can say whatever she wants. so she can contact my institution, apparently she has some pro-illegal immigration followers. i have gotten lots and lots of messages. most of them are overwhelmingly supportive. i have a few that disagree with my views, but i respect everyone's opinion. everyone has the right to free speech. >> tucker: first of all, i just want to say, again, i'm so glad that you moved to this country. i admire your bravery. i can't believe there is someone like you still teaching in an american university. what do your colleagues think of you? >> well, i think most of my colleagues know my anti-illegal immigration activism and they understand my perspective as a legal immigrant and i feel like my colleagues respect my views and i respect their view. >> tucker: do you really think they respect your

view? i hope you are right. so, when you moved to this country and they told you we had free speech here you took that very seriously. i can tell. >> well, here's what i will say. i always vote in every single election. i'm the proud georgia republican. i vote in the republican primary. and i'm going to work as hard as can i to help my friend congresswoman karen handel get reelected in 2020 in the georgia's sixth district. >> tucker: do you think your colleagues are okay with that, too? >> well, it doesn't matter what their opinions are. i respect their views. some of them live in my district. some of them don't. i assume more of them are liberal. some might be moderate. but at the same time, i respect their views and they understand where i'm coming from. and i think they respect my views. >> tucker: do you think the democratic party wants more immigrants like you? >> well, i don't know but i will tell you this: in other countries like canada they have a merit based point system where they give

priority to well-educated legal immigrants who have college degrees who can speech english and who have job skills that are need. no country on earth has 12 million illegal immigrants and give birthright citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants. >> tucker: i'm for any program that admits more people like you into this country. but, wouldn't you think that democrats would be happy to have you? i mean if they're pro-immigrant, i imagine you must be getting calls from democratic lawmakers just thanking you for expressing your opinion. have you? >> well, i'm a republican. but i respect a lot of democratic lawmakers. so, i think that for one thing is united states has 12 million illegal immigrants. no other country on earth has 12 million illegal immigrants and gives birthright citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants. if you look at canada and australia, they have a merit-based immigration system that gives priority

to those with college degrees, english-speaking skills and job skills that can contribute to their economy. so they have very few illegal immigrants. >> tucker: of course. if you cared about your country, i would have a system like that. it wouldn't even be a question. professor, thank you, you are welcome on this show any time. it's great to have you tonight. >> thank you. thank you for inviting me. >> tucker: of course. thanks. well, up in canada, justin trudeau who runs the country, sort of. just lost a trash war with the philippines that is expected to lose next election, too. he has a plan to save himself though. ban plastic straws that will do it. by the way not plastic straws. other kinds of plastic. tammy bruce here to assess that campaign strategy after the break. ♪ ♪

>> tucker: justin trudeau of

canada is up for re-election. the polls don't look good. he has a plan to save himself. he has a plan to ban single use straws and bags by 2021. make no mistake, when activists are complaining in canada, they'll try the same here. tammy bruce is with us. thanks for coming on. politicians on the left announce a new initiative. i can't remember the last time their ideas made things better for voters. >> not even neutral. you home for ambivalence. the thing is we live in dumb times. the liberals control so much. justin trudeau is interesting. he seems to be a man of the world. 90% of the plastic in the world's oceans come from ten

rivers. eight of which are in asia, two of them are in africa. it's from no rivers in canada is this issue. so this is a problem with like a national narcicism. canada isn't responsible and neither are we. it placates people saying if you don't get your plastic fork, your saving the wales. he opened his speech saying save the-week-old. so this is china. talk with issue with china. tell china to stop using the plastic bags and straws. the canadians can stop killing baby seals every year but they don't want to do that.

that could be a serious conversation that the canadians could make a difference on. so this is classic. it's national narcissism. we all want to solve the problem. i'm against this because it gives the false impression that we're doing something about the issue. the issue is in china primarily. >> tucker: exactly. that's right. in fact, there's parts of canada that have been totally destroyed by mining practices that continue. if you care about the environment, maybe reign in the nickel mines. seems like this is a specific audience he's aiming at, an affluent well-educated group that thinks everything about them and wants policies to make them feel virtuous. >> yes. something that you can do daily without being too bothered but you're sacrificing. the struggle is real, tucker. they're sacrificing. what can you do about the straw that you can't wash in the sink. you're sacrificing in that

regard, this is the absurdity of what we think it is we're doing. there's real things we can do. even like there's a store that was trying to get people to not want plastic bags in canada, so putting really ridiculous logos on them like the colonoscopy co-op. you have to carry that around the town. the canadians loved it because it was so unique and limited edition. they wanted to collect all of the stupid plastic bags. so look, this is -- canadians, americans, the western world,er with entrepreneurs. we have enough information to make a difference, this is a distraction and it's shameful and it's what the left does and it's why things get worse with all of their policies. >> tucker: exactly. >> they never make a real difference in addressing the real issue. >> tucker: consistencely worse. if you that was inciteful, there's more. tammy has a new show on fox

nation called "get tammy bruce." we'll be watching. you should, too. thank you. >> thank you very much. >> tucker: out of time. back today at 8:00 p.m. the show that is the sworn enemy of lying smugness and group think that is every where resists if you can. sean hannity live from new york. >> sean: tucker, great show. we begin with a fox news alert. my full monologue in just a moment. breaking news right now as we come on the air tonight. joining us with this story, judicial watch president tom fenton. this just breaking. what i've been able to read is incredible. let's -- what do you have? >> more documents out of the obama state department showing that christopher steele, glen simpson had special access to a person called jonathan winer that was in the kerry state department.