rick: thanks very much, and that is how fox reports this sad jun. i'm rick leventhal. thanks for watching have a great night and we will see you tomorrow. >> hello, america, i'm mark lev in, this is life, liberty, we have a great guest, mark penn, how are you? democrat? >> yes. >> polster? >> yes. you worked on the bill clinton campaign, you worked on the hillary clinton for senate campaign, hillary clinton for president campaign and yet, you came to my attention and i think to the attention of a lot of people because you had persistently objected to the way this particular president is

being treated. explain. >> well i spent a lot of time with president clinton and i spent an entire year, 1998 on an impeachment that didn't happen and it tore the country apart and i thought at that time, never again, and then i see all of those things developing again , and in fairness, even worse, investigations of the president, of the campaign, of the administration, of the president's family, done with methods that were really meant to investigate people, not crimes and things that seem to go way over the balance of the constitution and i decided to speak out so one day i'm actually at my kid's basketball game and i said should i do this piece? is anybody going to read it and millions of people read this piece, so i figure do you know what? i can be a voice to stop this kind of thing, this kind of abuse, which we've got to remove from the presidency. no one can be an effective

president, or as effective as they could be if they're underun constant threats and investigation. >> what kind of response have youti gotten from the democrats? >> well, you know, i've got a lot of people who respond to me that they admire what i'm doing. they appreciate it, they know that it's about the country, and i tell them it's not about a party. i worked for the party for 40 years, irt worked the presidentl campaign, senate races, mayoral races, i believe in the party, i just don't believe in this investigation. i don't believe in this special prosecution and i said so, and sure, a lot of people can get angry at me about that, but you know, i also got some really heart-felt letters from people who had been prosecuted by other prosecutors, and i said you know , i'm touching people with it ands i think that i wanted more democrats to come over and say yes. yes, we want to have another president, yes, we'll vote for

another president, but do you know what? our constitution is first. these investigations are really started on the basis of no real evidence and look how they were allowed to tear our country apart. >> and yet, nancy pelosi and jerry nadler and adam schiff and so fourth they say they're defending the constitution. they say it it is their constitutional duty to issue scores and scores of subpoenas, about private information on the president, on his family, his tax returns, his bank accounts and so forth and so on. do they have a duty to issue subpoenas and demand this kind of information? >> i think the duty would have been to look at the mueller report, understand that russia collusion was not found, that founding obstruction of something that wasn't obstructed is ludacris and to move on, to get on to infrastructure, to get on healthcare, get on the issues

they care about, and i think that they were caught between the politics with the democratic parties that they helped create, moving voters in a frenzy alonge with certain members of the press as the russia collusion was real, when it was ludacris from day one. >> do you think the democrat party as an entity and the media as an entity have created such a emotional fiery base that they can't even control what they created at this point? >> well they created a base built on a fundamental misstrute here, that started with christopher steele and the gps fusion dossier that was, that created a used echo chamber they went everywhere. they went to democrats. they went to the cia. they went to the fbi, they went to foreign intelligence

operations, they went to the state department and it all came in as though it was real, and then that created a frenzy within our fbi and our own and then that created a frenzy within the public. it's the biggest lay that i've ever seen perpetrated on the american public and its ripped everyone up. i would have licked to have seen our politicians at the end of the day after the mueller report came out, get together and say we thought maybe there was something there but there wasn't , and they didn't. >> why is there not, to my knowledge, a single democrat in the house or senate that sounds like you? do you know of any? >> well it's a shame, because i also worked as a political consultant for 40 years. america wants somebody to bring itts together and the politicia, i think, have the wrong attitude that they've got to keep america apartisan and apart and i think that if they just got together, as we did in 1996 and all the

way up until what i thought was a impeachment come togetherun around the balanced budget, around welfare reform, around immigration reform, around one thing after another. the public wants that again. every time i run a question, if you want investigations or infrastructure, 80% wants infrastructure. do you want the people should stick to their principles no matter what or compromise to the other side? 70% say compromise. 7get things done, right? the legislature is supposed to get things done. our congress has a 23% approval rating, and because the american public wants them to solve infrastructure, immigration, healthcare, all these issues sitting on the table and every party is looking for the day that they control everything. that's not going to happen. >> you say congress has a 23% popularity rate? >> yes. >> what is the president's right now? >> the president is at 48. the republican party is 42.

the democratic party is 44. the supreme court is about 62, right? all of the political -- >> and congress is the worst. >> well congress is the worst of the political institutions and every political institution is under water, right? and that's why what they really want is the political institutions to function better but most of all, they see congress as no longer function ing and they fired the republicans from congress, and they were hoping to get better. >> let me ask you a little bit more about the democrat party. as a life long democrat and an activist and an advisor there are elements of the democrat party that are really concerning me right now an anti-semitism wing in the democrat party, we've heard omar, among others and the democrat party doesn't seem to know what to do about it they passed a resolution some time ago that was very broad. they didn't name a particulara culprit who had said a number of

anti-semetic things, do you think this is a growing problem for the democratic party and in the country? >> it is a definite problem. i'd like to see the party more in the center because its voters are more in the center. a i think that activist wing right now has had enormous visibility out there and i think you take a look at what happened with the resolution on what happened with anti-semitism. that should have been a resolution about anti-semitism. why couldn't i party? after the comments that were made by representative omar, pass simple resolution against -- >> why couldn't they? >> because there's too many forces trying to make a compromise that didn't want to makefo a strong statement. very easy to call everybody else anti-semetic but how about getting behind a resolution that condemns anti-semitism by itself , clearly and without condemning every kind of bias. i think that was wrong. >> do you think, see my conceri

is this is a growing problem. that if it's tolerated or if it's sort of mothered in general statements, it's going to get worse, and i'm quite concerned that the house of representative s didn't handle this properly, and i also think the media is partly responsible for this. they have a high tolerance for it as well, and in fact it's promoting these people. you wouldn't know about omar if the media weren't promoting her. we wouldn't know about aoc if the media weren't promoting her. why are they promoting them? these are back benchers who know very little. >> well in fact, omar is on the foreign affairs committee of the house of representatives and the speaker had an option whether or not to take her off that committee and to assign her that committee in the first place and i think she made a statement that she's one of the emerging leaders. i think in the long run it won't

happen. the democratic party writes itself. the republican party has had a lot of break-outs of extreme wings too, and it typically has also most of the time righted itself. most of all politics rights itself. we have an american public in the center with growing extremes and politics, and that's what's holding our country up from progress. democratic party, i think, will fix itself over time. >> you no one of my concerns what's going on now in the house of representatives is you have at least six committees spending tax dollars on opposition research against the president of the united states.s. that's the bottom line. you couldn't get this if you were in the private sector, to use tax dollars and the form of the house of representatives you get the information, you basically keep pounding away, pounding away, pounding away, really with no end in sight except the election to try and drag down the president's ratings, and the press pushing it pushing it pushing it.

is this what's turning off the american people? >> well i think that there's now investigation fatigue. i think, you know, it's interesting. the american people yes we want to investigate our politicians. they don't like politicians all that much republicans and democrats. they'ree willing to investigate them.h. they're actually showing fatigue for the first time and the polls we're picking up we're all if you go too far investigations we're going to be less likely to vote for you, and i think they understand that two years of an all-out independent council investigation is enough, andio that now saying hey let's get some of these tax returns, oh, t let's get the tax returns of their children, their family, oh , let's go back in history. that that's government financed opposition research. that's not legitimate legislative inquiries, and it'll be very hard, i think, for the court to sort this out. let me tell you if the courtsou were willing to use some statement that donald trump made

on the campaign trail, they have hundreds and hundreds of statements that these congressmen and particularly nadler and schiff have made that really indict the purpose of these investigations is nothing more but going after people who are associated with trump, just because they're working for the president, and going after trumn and his entire family in ways that are unprecedented, in ways that we would normally have impeachmented people for. if the president of the united states did the reverse andll ordered up the tax returns of everybody in congress and started to look not business affairs of those in congress how long would he be in president? he would be impeachmented right then and there. >> when we come back i want to ask you about the role the media are playing in all of this. folks don't forget you can watch levin tv most week nights, and sign up. we'd love to have you and don't

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>> mark penn you've been around politics you said 40 years? >> right. >> that's a long time. so you've been around the media

for 40 years, and you've dealt with the media for 40 years. as a polster, as a consultant and advisor to democrats. have you ever seen the media treat a president the way the media today and the aggregate is treating this president? >> i don't think i've ever seen this treatment. i've seen a lot of difficult treatment but i was inside the clinton white house for five or six years so what i used to do is every week present to the president and we had a weekly strategy meeting and i'd say here are the headlines out and then in the usa today and most of the papers for the country. here is what the beltway headlines are and the beltway would have a world of its own, right? the story that would be about the inside politics and out in the countryside, they would be looking at real crisis, the crime crisis of the time or real issues and now what's happened is the beltway has become the

whole country, and that kind of if even o if you're out in the country most of the stuff you read is about the in-fighting in washington and i've never seen kind of the lack of standards that are really applied so you don't know what's true and what's not true any more because they selectively pick out things according to the story line they want to tell. >> in the him of news and opinion, it's getting harder and harder to tell who the journalists are and who the commentators are, and as i research my book there's a reason for that, because that's the way they want it. there's not a lot of diversity in news rooms any more, not a lot of independent thinking. there's even a school of thought that is spreading throughout the journalism, that they're social activists and they need to push their agenda through the progressive mindset, and people have written about this and admitted this and said why do we keep protecting we're objective? let's just explain who we are, why it's important, because but for us they say there would be t

civil rights movement or obamacare think wouldn't be this or that. but now, you know, myself having served in the reagan administration, gone through iran contra, you serving the clinton administration for all intense and purposes went through his impeachment, i've never seen anything like this. day in and day out, one news operation after another news operation. you see these that they put together where they're all saying the same thing. you ever seen those? >> i have seen them. because they're all saying the same thing. is it different now? >> well every study that's done shows that 90% of the coverage on the administration is negative. i would say when i was doing clinton i would count it at 50/ 50, 60/40 against us interestingly it wasn't a left/ right phenomenal in 2008 when i worked with hillary clinton, it yeahs quite clear a lot of the media was bias against hillary and they would never print those stories that had facts that were adverse to our opponent at the time, and so

this started, maybe 20 years ago grew and grew and grew and now it's just open. now hey, we wear our partisanship really on our stories, and in every day coverage and that's why america is at such a loss. if i look at my polls, almost every one is seen in a partisan light. you could take almost any fact and depending upon whether it's perceived associated with the administration or not it will be perceived positively or negative ly, even just something like how is the economy?e everyone knows that that in fact unemployment is quite low and in fact even on the economy, 62% now say that give trump approval on the economy. a record number in modern times we used to have that being barbara bush in the clinton years, but even if you look at it, it'sk all partisan and it's in terms of how it's used

because the media is partisan and so it's dividing our country . that's the problem. >> pew research just came out with their survey of thousands of adults since february and it came out the other day, a significant percentage of americans believe that the news in this country is fake, or that there's a lot of fake news and it needs to be double checked. it's not so much because of the president saying fake news. it's because i think the media do not understand how intelligence committee the american people are. wwe talked about you think so o , that they're far more intelligent than they think and yet sometimes when you watch some of these news shows, even sunday shows, they talk down to the audience, they talk down to the american people and are pushing an agenda even by the guests that they choose and the repetition of impeachment, impeachment, what do you think haabout impeachment? what do you think about impeachment?

i think people are sitting there looking at this and saying that this is pathetic, and they shut it off. >> look, i was reading a book one day called the "responsible electorate" and he says the simple these else of this book is that the voters are not fools and i did all my polling and all my campaign work on that basic theory so it's very complex poll ing about issues. even in last month's poll i asked people about china tariffs they narrowly favored the president's policy on china tariffs, and then i asked them well what effect do you think it'll have on jobs? s., it'll probably increase jobs what effect do you think it'll have on prices? oh, it'll probably increase prices and i'm saying you know? americans are pretty savvy here. they know what's at stake. they're trying to get their jobs back from china, willing to pay maybe a little bit more in prices and they're willing to go on with tariffs as a tactic to stop what china is doing with our technology and taking our

jobs away. that's a pretty sophisticated view, and do the american public have all of those? yes. could you tell that from the way they're treated on cable tv? no. >> and what about the fact there's an awful lot going on in the country and in the world and if you're in the media spending three days talking about the word "nasty" as it applies to a princess in britain and the associated press white house correspondent even said that showed the president was racist, and i still don't understand what he was talking about. isn't that detrimental to a society? isn't the point of a free press to get us information so we can make decisions about our live, our community and government rather than being pounded day in and day out with nonsense and name calling and attacks on the president of the united states? >> exactly. look, the press has to tell the american people what's? going o, and they have right to analysis

and then opinion folks like you can provide the different sides of the opinion, but it's job one isn't done, then the public is confused. look at what happened. the biggest problem recently is that after trump's election the country didn't come together around that election, because they were divided because the press maintained this trump/ russia narrative for twoft years and so typically after an election in a democracy they want the country to come together and saynd hey we're going to recognize that result. we may be dissatisfied with the president along the way but ourr countries not coming together, it's being kept apart by a press that stays 100% partisan and it is really disruptive to the country and so i hope that they will begin to bring back some of the standards and tone down some of the partisanship so that they can let america come together, because if the country doesn't come together and we're just at odds with each other, no matter

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u.s. and iran. washington has blamed tehran for the attack that damaged two tank ers thursday and the u.s. military releasing a video showing what they say is iran, removing an unexploded mine from one of the tankers. iran has denied any involvement. hong kong's government a u.s. naval nothing today it will suspend the controversial extradition bill indefinitely, after violent clashes between protesters and police earlier this week. thousands of people hit the city streets to protest the measure that would allow criminals to be extradited to mainland china. hong kong didn't withdraw the bill completely calling it a move to restore cause. i'm rick leventhal, now back to life, liberty, levine. >> mark penn, i want to get back to the press briefly here. i don't think the modern mass media is capable of policing and i think that it's destroying itself.

i make a distinction between the free press and many in the modern mass media today, and here is what i mean by that. cnn's ratings are tanking. they tried to play to a particular segment of the political world and they're tank ing. the new york times had to be saved by a billionaire out of mexico. a telecommunications billionaire the washington post had to be saved by jeff bezos of amazon because they were going broke and he got it at a fire sale $250 million. when i was young it was worth two or three or $4 billion and now technology is some of that, but maybe people just have had enough and they know they can get it on the internet where there's all kinds of things but there's also smart people and smart websites and people all over the world are providing news and video and so forth. it's my contention that if they don't reform themselves, they're going to destroy themselves and thanks to new technology, and newer technology we're not even going to wear it down the road

and the news platforms and so forth, we will continue to have a free press in the country, just not that press. what do you think of that? >> well the marketplace for news is there. whether or not we have the organizations that can fulfill m that marketplace it's different. i, in my polls, look at people and i say well if i break them up there's news junkies, sports junkies, entertainment junkies. >> and just junkies. >> and couch potatoes so about half the country are couch potatoes. about 23% of the country, news junkies meaning they really want several times a day to check the news, and they want to get news and information that's accurate, that's fast, that tells them what's going on, and i think they know that the press ist really getting the lowest rankings that its ever gotten and its become so partisan thatc they can't trust. look the president missed the trump election. they missed that there was no collusion. they missed even weapons of mass

destruction so when you talk about the quality of the news, the first and foremost, did they get the big stories right? the fact they didn't get the big stories right and they've nownd become kind of driven by clicks, and partisan way, far too often has taken them from hey, i'm here to objectively report the news. no they want to get out and be press celebrities and that means they want to get into your business of pushing opinions, and they want to take those opinions and throw them on twitter, and so you don't have somebody saying i don't care if anybodyn' reads my sorry i'm gog to write it the way it is and then eventually i think the marketplace for that iss real is standard, don't get restored. you're right. the press will destroy itself, we'll have a free internet, but we won'til have a real press. it is fueling public opinion the way it should. >> and one of the things i see here is after, you would think after the russia collusion

disaster, it's a scam. after that, that the press would be, you know it would be like a major session where they get together and say how do we fix this instead jeff stucker comes out and praises the magnificent reporting of hisor people, in other words they dig in and nobody gets fired. nobody gets reassigned. the people at the top, z ucker gets an expanded responsibility under at&t, nobody is talking about removing anybody at the new york times. that's not the way the rest of the real-world works, if you screw something up for two and a half years day in and day out were you connecting dots when there were never dots? it's off with their head and yet the media just keeps chugging along. you talk about they want clicks but they're not getting them. cnn, i mean, may i say, it's dying ratings wise. and again the others had to be propped up by billionaires, so

is it id young protesters logically driven too do you alink? i think it is. >> well of course it is ideologically driven but people are creating narratives and they want to fill those narratives with the stories that the big narrative really has been opposing trump and so they look at everything through the glass of opposing trump. that's why today the big story was that wowow people of all sis actually praise the president's speech, the d-day anniversary. that's a change. maybe that's a glimmer of change because look you've got to recognize when things are good and hit administrations when they're bad. can we get back to that kind of press? i don't know. but we're a first amendment society. to me and i've written a lot of articles and had the first, amendment in the workplace and the first amendments so people can't be fired, boycotted, ostracized because they think or

believe things, and we've come a long way from that but part of ngthe problem is that the press isn't providing objective, continuous information that rely upon the way they used to. >> and clearly, pew shows and there have been other studies over the course of the last 10 years but especially now that the people don't trust the press 80% of republicans, 80% don't trust the press. a significant percentage of democrats do, but doesn't that tell you kind of everything you need to know? >> they don't trust press, they don't trust congress or the competition, they don't trust the banks so we do have a trust crisis and it's led by the press , so whose going to lead us out of this crisis? right? the supreme court and the military are the only major institutions that people trust. the supreme court numbers from 20 years ago too. >> they are. >> folks don't forget almost every week night you can watch l

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de in 96 i became as a soccer mom. you're the one would did that? >> that's what we did we changed the whole target of the democratic party to be soccer moms in 96 campaign and today, however it's quite different. if you look at trends in america , they say it's for every trend there's a countertrend, so in the age of information, and we're in the age of misinformation, right? we're of the age where everything is about youth and frankly the country has never been older, which is why all of our politicians are also so old, and actually older voters have been winning the elections over the younger, right? when kennedy was elected we were 2:1, 18-29, over 65. today we're 1:1, right? and as i say really you look at this and the election can be seen as the fight of the silicon valley voters those people have benefited from the new economy, against the old economy voters. voters who were left behind and

felt that in fact, policy and i think this is true, that the half the country that voted for trump lived on a third of the gdp, whereas the half of the voter for hillary clinton lived on two-thirds of the gdp. >> let me stop you that's fascinating, because if you listen to the press, or the stories that go on out there, the logic that's argued, it is that the democrat party or hillaryar or people like her represent the little guy. now what you're telling me is really it was the little guy who voted for trump. well that is what trump did. he took the little guy so to speak, away from the democraticf party. when i worked with hillary clinton, we went to upstate new york, and we took we'll call the little guy back from the republicans and we used to have a theme. no one should have to leave their hometown to find a good job, because families are being split up by the information age, and i think trump went in and he took those voters away and put

them in his column that was the shock that was the surprise, that's the real reason he won the election. >> and yet the democrats were spooked by that, but they seem to think that they know that now and so they're going to have a fight in michigan.n, they're going to have a fight in wisconsin and a fight in pennsylvania and a lot of these bluish collar states now, and at least this is the theory behind the rise of joe biden, isn't that correct? >> i think that's right. i think part of the reason that so many people, including myself , think biden is probably the most formidable candidate if he can get through the primary is is that he relates to the working class voter in a way that bernie sanders really doesn't. he talks about socialism but that's not onee that the americn worker wants. the american worker wants a job, a future, he wants a family, he wants a set of values that they believe in, and quite different

from something. >> isn't it possible for biden though and i've been watching hisfo positions modify, he's moving left, with the green new deal, climate change, immigration, in order to try and get thehe nomination, so he hasn be fairly careful doesn't he? >> that's the primary two-step right there. the same is move over to thefa left. look al gore lost the election because he moved to the left after the democratic convention. you're supposed to move to the left before the convention and then you're supposed to focus on other things but look as you saw , biden in the last couple days said hey, i'm going to vote for the height amendment to keep it in place and that's a major statement. >> it says no government money for abortion. >> exactly. that's going to send tremors through the democratic electorate but what he's saying is not so fast.

i'll keep some of my moderate credentials and that could be pretty powerful if he stays there. >> and yet they're hiding them a lot. why are they doing that? >> i think that they're letting others fight it out, because on the campaign trail, everybody goes after the front runner. he's the front runner, so they say let them fight it out a little bit and let's see what they get and not expose the candidate. >> you're moderate. there's a lot of moderate democrats out there. you wouldn't know it watchingdn the media by the way. what would they do if there's a bernie sanders nominee? would they abandon the party salike they did last time? >> i don't know what l happen if there's a sanders nominee but we might wind up with a brokered convention too. i think biden could am could in first, sanders second. >> but nobody would have a majority. no one would have a majority. >> then what happens? >> well then, folks like harris might have the swing votes and will either say we're moving to the left with bernie sanders, or moving to the center with biden,

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>> now, these microtrends, a lot of people are scared of technology, and i think that myself, well where in the world would we be without technology where would you cut it off before the industrial revolution , after the iphone, who makes these decisions will we have a police state make all these decisions? is st. it s's a general rule creativity, free will, the mind developing things a good thing? >> well there's a lot of fear about technology and i think fear that separates silicon valley, from the old economy, but the truth is, we've neverpe had as many people employed in our society as both a number and

percentage as we do today and we've never had so much technology so just as technology kills some jobs, hey, there's no elevator operator, maybe they're going to do something with driverless cars i'm really doubtful, it creates continual new jobs all the time. all the people working, advertising, public relations, information. people are getting to enjoy work for much longer period of time because there's less and less physical labor and more labor that involves technology and the new generation is the most optimistic generation you've ever seen, for all of the pessimism you hear about, and i say america is a country now of happy pessimists, right? never had it so good when you ask them about their own lives, never been more pessimistic about the country but don't kid rsyourself. the youngest generation are t really sitting there looking at their parents saying you're never going to have it like me sitting there oh, no, no, we'll live in a whole new world. >> why do you think this is and this is on the populist left and

right. it is a constant effort to tear down the country. i mean, this is one of the things that separates us from a lot of these backward countries, that is advancement, progress in technology. it makes life easier for more people, brings down prices, it creates more medicines, more drugs, it improves the quality t of life, more luxury in life. people aren't scrubbing are rock s in the rivers to clean their clothes any more, you've got washing machines, dryers, toasters all of these things, people need to make them you need assembly lines people immediate to maintain them right it's not as if it's an attack on middle america or blue collar america. it's because middle america and blue collar america want these things. >> well they do. they want technology and look broadband should be on every corner of this country talk about infrastructure, roads, bridges look 80% of the public wants more infrastructure but that includes cyber

infrastructure, it also includes technology infrastructure, so that good jobs that involve the new economy can be in every part of the country. i think that's essential. i actually think the last couple of administrations didn't realize what was happening in the middle of the country. they live in washington and focus so much on the coast and saw a whole new standard of living, everybody in america, 90 %, have sophisticated smartphones that could launch rockets years ago but they miss what was happening in the middle of america until trump came along and said do you know what? we've been giving too much to the chinese. we've been giving too much low wage workers and competition to you, and he sees them back but had these other administrations really spread technology to every corner of the country, i don't think you'd see the middle of the country as left behind as it is. >> uh-huh. and transition is difficult sometimes, depending on what the industries are, but as you say,

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history, even when things get out of whack, we come back. i think we know things are out of whack. the first amendment, part andship is too high, the big tech companies provide platforms that enable hostility against each other. the basic principles, first amendment, he free end prize. andat a democracy they respect. i believe we have leadership that will bring us together. mark: will it get worse before it gets better. he it often has to get worse before it gets better. >> b i generally agree with you. we are a country that went through two wars, world war ii, and other events. the greatest country on the face of the earth where millions of people are trying to sneak in through the southern border. thanks so much, mark he penn.

it's been t a pleasure. jesse: welcome to "watters world." the biden flop. the bead yeah hyped biden. before biden even spoke in iowa cnn promoted his speech this way. bind to h he eviserate trump ina today. he didn't evisera terks, trump