the enduring symbol of freedom and democracy first came to america in new york city 134 years ago today. >> julie: if you're ever in the new york harbor or in new york and you have not been to lady liberty, you must go. get up to the crown. >> bill: nice to know. good to be with you. >> julie: hope the rest of your weekend goes well. "outnumbered" starts now. ♪ >> melissa: just about 24 hours from now president trump set to officially launch his reelection campaign with a kickoff rally in the battleground state of florida. it comes amid new questions over how the 2020 election is shaping up for the president. this is "outnumbered" and i'm melissa francis. here today, harris faulkner. fox news headline 24/7 reporter, carley shimkus. fox news contributor, lisa boothe. during this on the couch, richard fowler, democratic strategists, radio host, and fox news contributor. your title gets longer every time! [laughter]

>> harris: and on social media, the fowler nation is loving you! puppies and cookies! [laughter] >> lisa: everybody likes those! >> richard: it's good to be "outnumbered" with you ladies. >> melissa: president trump's campaign reportedly better finance and organized in his first run. political reporting the president's sitting on on a war chest topping $40 million. the campaign boots on the ground spread across nine regions, crucial to his 2020 map, they have a network of volunteers ready to go for the months ahea ahead. earlier president trump tweeting, "big rally tomorrow night in orlando, florida. looks to be setting records. we are building large movie screens outside to take care of everybody, over 100,000 requests. our country is doing great, far beyond what the haters and losers thought possible. and it will only get better!" meanwhile, new fox news polling shows challengers are ahead for the trump campaign in head-to-head matchups for vice

president by deleting the president by ten points and bernie sanders lease the president by nine points. important to note that neither challenger has the 50% mark. a spokesman is weighing in today on the polling, and with their campaign is saying. >> i can tell you, steve, right now the president is leading in all 17 swing states against a defined democrat. when they started mentioning socialism and mentioning these radical policies, we saw movement toward the presidents. we are very comfortable with where we stand so don't believe the stories you are reading. >> melissa: richard, i am so torn on the polling situation because on one hand i want to throw it up because it didn't work last time. on the other hand you need something to to to gauge whereu are and have a sense, especially when you're looking at a big democratic field, to try and see who is resonating. what markers do look at? 's at fund-raising, volunteers really, what do you feel is the

best indicator to you? >> richard: it's interesting, i think this poll was very one for the democrats in that most of the cats will use that poll. bernie, biden, warren, they will use it to fund raise. "we are doing well in a fox poll, this shows we are a viable candidate." as far as the national implications, not so much. but what is very interesting as there was a recent morning console to pull back the came out a few weeks ago talking about the president's approval rating in the state of michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania. and that it was down double digits. that's problematic for this president, because any map leading him back to the white house has to go through those states. what you see happening here is that, yes, he has good economic indicators, but beyond that the american people still sort of have some problems with this president. which also show up in the poll, which show 50% of folks say they would be displeased or scared of donald trump was reelected. >> melissa: harris, let me ask you -- when i studied statistics i realized you could find a stat

to show you anything you wanted. >> harris: it's like finding a friend. [laughter] somebody will like you! >> melissa: it's like polls i like that. everyone can find one to make their point, but there has to be something in there. >> harris: in answer to your question, you can always look at the numbers and find out each week of how the question was asked or whatever it is. but i see it this way -- voters need a reason to go to the polls. as big as this country is and is interested is that seems to be in politics, are percentages of people voting are lower than they really should be. so you need intensity to get people to the polls. i don't think at this early game, just like it was last time around for this particular president, and really, others in the past, too. i think it's so early that what this does is it can show a candidate where maybe some works need to be done. but you know who else that shows? the voters. and to keep them engaged. because when you tell people you've got this, what is their motivation? we already know we've got a great economy.

we already know what's cooking. we already know we've got prison reform. we already know what we have. the president tells us, his team tells us. but the true test is whether or not people get back to the polls for the individual. if it's two blocks over, if there's too much perfection, they will disengage early and then you need a miracle to get them back in in a year. >> lisa: i was vice president of a polling firm, i've worked on political campaigns throughout my career. polls for this makes for great fodder for the people in the public to be talking about, but they are essentially meaningless for what is going to actually happen during the third 2021. we are so far away from that point. literally everything can happen. we don't have a defined candidate he's up against. secondly, we don't have elections that are based off of the popular vote. they are based off the electoral college, as well. so national polls are -- the dynamics are going to change once democrats have a defined candidate. secondly, these delegates are

going to get bludgeoned over the next few months by each other because they're such a competitive race. a lot of these candidates haven't necessarily taken that heat, either. those dynamics will change. here's the democrat, here's president trump -- >> melissa: i want to talk about something before you run out of time. those leaked internal polls from inside the trump campaign that showed him trailing, in some key areas. i wonder about harris' theory that you have to show and give people a reason to vote. and those trump fans are so rapid. you've got to do your job, is out of the bag. what you think about that? >> carley: i don't think they were released on purpose. >> melissa: really? i don't know. >> carley: a few people actually got fired because of it. >> harris: they are reporting that. but the bottom line is no matter how it got out there... >> carley: it is true. listen, we have 500 days away from the election. the poll numbers i found,

interesting, and the fox news poll mackey, 72% of people are interested in steady reliable leadership and 25% want a bold new agenda. so that kind of shows why joe biden is surging right now. because he is the guy -- >> harris: what screams "bold new agenda" about biden? just a question. >> melissa: she saying the offices. >> carley: he is steady, rival leadership. he's the guy that is familiar. everybody knows where he's coming from. i think that's i bernie sanders a sort of lagging, because he is a bold new leadership guide. >> melissa: let me bring up that poll you were talking about, the new poll showing former vice president joe biden is still far ahead among the 20 charge democrats and the majority of democratic voters saying they want steady reliable leadership rather than a bold new agenda. this, as senator bernie sanders appears to be losing ground nationally, down about ten points since march. while pete buttigieg and senator elizabeth warren have gained ground.

yesterday senator sanders doubling down on his call for a democratic socialist agenda. listen to this. >> we need fundamental change. we need a political revolution. we need millions of people, working-class people, whose lives have been decimated for the last 45 years, to stand up, to stand up to wall street, against the insurance companies, and the drug companies. a political revolution is what i believe in. >> melissa: meanwhile, democratic congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez warning democrats at the risk defeat in 2020 without a progressive nominee and a bold new agenda. >> i think we have a very real risk of losing the presidency to donald trump if we do not have a presidential candidate that is fighting for true transformational change in the lives of working people in the united states. >> melissa: richard, it's so interesting. you look at the polling and it says to go with somebody steady and reliable. but we all know that you need to

be inspired, you need that cult of personality, like harris said, to motivate people to go out. which way do you think the democrats should go? what would you advise? >> richard: i think it's something very interesting, one, a lot of people at the beginning of this race wrote off elizabeth warren and i think that's a mistake. we are seeing a certifier campaign on i think it's coming from bernie supporters her realize that bernie might not be the person that gets the nomination. looking for bigger and better ideas, and elizabeth warren gives you that. she is really -- she is running this campaign as her, and she is surging because of that. so i think it's one thing to .2. i think the second thing that makes it very interesting is -- i do disagree with alexandria ocasio-cortez, we see from abiding candidacy is this study leadership. "i know the reins, i've been here before." it's the just a position to donald trump , "i will tweet it out, we are going to --" >> melissa: it addresses just what you said, eg

about warren. you like her. here's what she said. oh, sorry. warren's recent surge in the polls is indicative of how far left the party has moved and suggests that the party will nominate a radical candidate who is unpalatable to independents and moderates, two groups essential to being donald trump." harris? >> harris: this points to what i wanted to ask you about. why did they have to be mutually exclusive? carley told us that is either reliable or it's bold, fresh, and new. when you look at the wall -- and i think we can get our team to take a look now because all the faces are up for the 2020 democratic contenders -- when you look at that -- yeah, there's a lot. >> it's like a yearbook! [laughter] >> harris: who will bridge the gap? i argue the people want steady leadership and bold ideas. they like that because otherwise they wouldn't have necessarily hired somebody coming with something different outside of the swamp.

>> carley: the first person that comes out of my mind is pete buttigieg, which is where he's coming out of left field. >> harris: who is pulling up next to elizabeth warren, who is stealing bernie's ideas and tweaking them. >> carley: he's a bold new agenda but he never says anything -- he's got a steady approach to his policies. >> lisa: the reason why i think sanders is lagging is because his ideas are no longer new. you look at bernie sanders when he ran in 20 -- >> harris: >> harris: she repurd them. [laughter] >> lisa: if you remember when he ran in 2016 he was medicare for all. that was not where the democratic party was. >> carley: he was a cool guy. >> lisa: now they are all there. most of the candidates are supporting things like medicare for all. so his policies are no longer unique. that's why he's lagging behind. to elizabeth warren, a question a political instinct. anyone who thinks it's a good idea to do a campaign rollout to tell america that they are less native american than the average white person, i question your political instincts. so i would be weary as a

democrat voter of looking to someone like that. >> carley: bernie sanders has also grabbed a lot of people who didn't like hillary clinton and all that is not a factor. >> harris: donald trump grabbed some of those people, too. >> carley: of course. >> richard: lisa has a point -- >> lisa: thank you, richard! >> richard: the stumbling block will be this native american peace. she shown her ability to move on and that'll be important for her, but another thing important about this slippage and bernie's numbers is an affront to this republican talking point of democrats being socialists. the only real socialist and this raises bernie sanders, the proclaimed socialist, and democrats are rejecting that overwhelmingly. >> harris: why does he keep saying that? as a selling point? >> richard: the democratic party doesn't want it which is why his numbers are slipping. >> melissa: elizabeth warren has essentially stopped raising money and she is spending a ton of money out there so it'll be interesting to see if she can raise money virtue of surging or if that ends up being a huge

mistake that she has laid off that. we will see. all right, any response from the players after critics slammed the u.s. women's soccer team for celebrating too much in their first world cup win. now they are sending a message to their detractors, after their second win. plus, iran threatening to rip up what is left of the obama-era nuclear deal as the trump administration insists that iran is behind recent attacks on oil tankers. now some obama-era advisors coming forward to undercut the president. the arguments on both sides, a head. >> the iranians should understand very clearly that we will continue to take action to deter iran from engaging in this kind of behavior. ♪ double. but dad, you've got allstate. with accident forgiveness they guarantee your rates won't go up just because of an accident. smart kid. indeed. are you in good hands? that's ensure max protein, with high protein and 1 gram sugar. it's a sit-up, banana! bend at the waist! i'm tryin'! keep it up. you'll get there.

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died. reportedly, he fainted after a court session and then passed away. he was overthrown by the military. you may recall, in 2013 after mast process against his rule. he had been serving a seven year sentence for fraud related to his presidential campaign. >> it's unmistakable what happen here. these were attacks by the islamic republik of iran on commercial shipping. there is no doubt, the intelligence committee has lots of evidence. the world will come to see much of it. >> harris: watching there, secretary of state mike pompeo saying there is no doubt iran is behind last week's attacks on oil tankers need near the strategically important street of hormuz. we await a state department statement after iran upped the ante again. iran now threatening to violate an essential element of its 2015 nuclear deal negotiated with the obama in the station. president trump withdrew from that deal a year ago but some

european nations remain in it. iran says in the next ten days they will break the deals limit on low enriched uranium and potentially begin enriching near-weapons grade uranium unless sanctions are ease. speaker of the house nancy pelosi blames the trump white house for the increased tensions. watch. >> we have absolutely no appetite for going to war or to be provocative to create situations that might evoke responses. we where mistakes could be made. what is their motivation to be provocative with the iranians? why did the president turn his stack on the agreements? >> harris: some form or staffers are questioning the initiation, but raising doubts over the assessment that iran is behind the recent tanker attacks. obama's deputy national security advisor, ben rhodes, tweeted this. "the seven feels like the kind of incident where you'd want to international investigation to establish what happened.

a huge risk of escalation." that drew a sharp rebuke from republican congressman and former navy seal dan crenshaw who tweeted this -- "so, what do or don't believe the intel community, and you are not really a trusted source to weigh in on iran. you sold the public a falsehood of the moderating iranian regime, using your media echo chamber, your words, in ignoring the true danger iran presents in the region." we go back and forth on twitter and they go back and forth with those ships out there, those oil ships. where are we on iran? >> richard: this is evidently a very, very interesting situation. don't get me wrong, people have problems with the deal. but when we pull out of the deal leaving nothing -- >> harris: see blame the tankers being hit on us coming out of the deal? >> richard: no, the escalation, possibly enriching more uranium. this idea that they are enriching more uranium because -- they didn't do it in the past because there was a deal in place. now that we've pulled out of that deal leaving nothing, iran

is like, "well, there is no deal, we will enrich uranium." >> melissa: can i respond to two parts of that? if they were able to jump in so quickly as a response, improves this wasn't much of a deterrent. they weren't stepping away from the program, they were may be having a temporary pause. so it wasn't achieving anything. i would say to the larger argument where -- the idea that this was going to moderate the regime, i remember the economic argument back at the beginning of this. because i kind of bought into it. it was this idea that if you allowed -- the rest of the world wanted to get in and sell to the reading market, and if you brought an apple and pepsi and all these things, that you could sort of bring the population into the present day. that they would demand different leaders because they would be exposed to the rest of the world. that seemed to make logical sense. the problem was that they didn't use the money to modernize the country and they didn't end up letting other countries in. they hoarded the money and uses it for terror, the study was

modernize at all. >> harris: we miss an opportunity with the green revolution, right? we already know that. we know the people were already mobilized a few years ago on the ground. in some ways people thought maybe he would give a second bite at the apple but it didn't work out that way. i want to bring in -- this is interesting, what's happening across the political aisle. adam schiff, the house intelligence committee chairman, said this -- democrat from california, as you know -- let's watch. >> there is no question iran is by the attacks. i think the evidence is very strong and compelling. in fact, i think this was a class a screwup by iran to insert a mine on the ship. it didn't that snake, they'd go back and retrieve it. i have to imagine there are some iranian head's ruling for. >> harris: so we are not in disagreement about who, what, when, and how, and all of that. >> carley: some people don't believe in our intelligence

community about what happened and that's a shame. it seems like they're trying to discredit the of administration -- >> harris: well, there is video. >> carley: exactly, there is video of this. it might be a stretch in terms of a comparison but everybody criticized president trump for threatening tariffs on mexico. it seems like this is a similar game of chicken and i believe iran is going to blink first in this case, as well. that they impose on their oil production, as well. >> harris: the oil tankers, though -- traditionally, it's been a sign of desperation. we have had to escort ships in the past and that idea may actually come into play again. because something is going to have to protect those ships and that something usually flies with an american flag. but in the meantime, iran is really hurting in its economy. those sanctions, we know they are working. >> lisa: we know they are working and we know that oil sails have plummeted. their money for the proxies has

dried up. that's what this is a reaction to from iran. clearly they are getting desperate so what they are trying to do is put pressure on the rest of the world to try and help them out on bail them out of the sanctions that we've placed on them. that's part of what they are trying to do with placing instability along the strait of hormuz, which he knows a critical choke point for oil globally in the global economy. we know the impact it can have. just that day, the day the oil tankers exploded, oil globally increased by 3.5%. so that is critical here. they are trying to -- even on the uranium issue, they have essentially told european nations, "look, we will give you time to come to the table on the deal, as well." >> harris: i want to scoot in here with may be a silver lining in all of this. i know it hurts other countries, but we are producing a lot of oil right now. right? >> melissa: yes, i would say that 3% -- a close left side at two-point something, it was less that he would expect with this kind of event before, but now the world isn't dependent on

that middle east oil. especially the u.s. >> harris: we are holding out -- v6 where i would usually agree with carley and this idea that, yes, the president, when we have an influence, we can go in and threaten tariffs. i don't agree with it but he usually seems to work for this present. with mexico. whereas with iran, even mike pompeo indicated a foxy sunday, that we are going to call the world and get people -- a lot of our allies, we would expect them to be with us for these conflicts, they are like, "we are not in this, we are holding our hands here." germany, the united kingdom, japan, south korea... >> harris: it's not like they are saying, "we are going to hold back and see if we are with you." " >> richard: for any type of conflict, we will need a global coalition to do it. >> harris: do you see anyone else pulling out of it? >> melissa: they're doing it for the money on every side. they either want the oil or the chance to try -- it's a shame

when you put money ahead of -- >> lisa: that's why we saw the prime minister in tehran last week having conversations around oil because the majority of their oil comes from the middle east. that's why they're concerned about the strait of hormuz come as well. also iran trying to solicit their help with sanctions. >> richard: which is why i think the mix -- for the international community, if we did any type of military conflict it would be a lateral one. >> melissa: iran -- jack dempsey was making a point that we are nowhere near it. they want is and what were, they are just pushing on this. >> harris: we can escort some of the ships. there are things that are short of any kind of exchange of fire. we can put more pressure on the them. >> richard: he says he's willing to talk to our leaders our leaders. >> harris: and he does. >> richard: if you want a new deal with iran, sit down with an. >> harris: we will move on. today marks 25 years since o.j. simpson was formally charged in the deaths of nicole

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♪ >> melissa: new reports that mexico is stepping up enforcement of its immigration laws amid pressure from the u.s. mexico says it deployed 1,000 additional agents to its northern and southern borders, while ap reports an increased presence of mexican national guardsmen at security

checkpoints. and just this past friday, mexico releasing the text of a so-called secret deal that president trump attempted to reporters last week. the agreement lays out the framework for the u.s. to determine if mexico has done enough to stem the flow of migrants. the agreement saying that if the u.s. is not satisfied after 45 days, "mexico will take all necessary steps under domestic law to bring the agreement into force with a view to ensuring that the agreement will enter into force within 45 days." 2020 democratic presidential candidate mayor pete buttigieg apparently missing these two elements and accusing president trump of making the situation on the border worse in order to reap the political benefits. >> we've got a president who got elected on a promise to fix immigration, whatever that meant to him. what we've seen is all these issues that were with us then are with us now. the real dark fact behind all of this is if immigration were solved, if we had comprehensive

reform, this administration could claim it as an achievement. but it's more useful to them as a crisis unsolved. bt republican senate majority leader mitch mcconnell says democrats are simply refusing to do anything that looks good for the president. >> i think they are suffering from trump derangement syndrome. they are reflexively against whatever he is for. this is humanitarian, we want to build a wall. we think the president has made a good case for that. that's not what this is about. it's humanitarian part of the problem on our side, obviously, on the side of the board. >> melissa: carley, he has a good point there but he's talking about the wrong group. it's congress that has the power to rewrite and fix immigration by changing the laws, and they are the ones who aren't sitting down and doing it. i think because they seem to like the issue better than a resolution. >> carley: yeah, that's why i totally disagree with what

pete buttigieg said. if president trump can fix this immigration issue without even getting congress involved, that would be huge -- imagine what a trump rally would sound like if he actually did that. it really does seem like mexico is taking this very seriously. you read the 45-day plan. i think we really do want to have a good relationship with this country and that is why months ago they even agreed to the "remain in mexico" plan which is controversial in the u.s. but they are located in mexico. >> harris: i think the an assertion has to be careful not to go down the road of the executive order, as a band-aid. you can not get it done with the congress. you are going to need them. if the president of the administration can come up with a way to solve what's happening on the southern border right now, and if we can deal with getting judges to the border for a seven cases, if mexico can continue to step up -- we don't know how long they will do that.

right? it's interesting. >> lisa: that such a great point. you're right, anything done through executive authority could be erased with the next president, the next president of mexico, as well. so it's important to get congress' involvement to get them to do something for the challenges that even among both parties there is division on how to address immigration and the various issues at hand. i will say, i think president trump could do better job. speaking in terms of the humanitarian aspect. to tell americans what exactly is happening. the fact that 10-year-old girls have to get pregnancy tests for mice officials because of the rampant abuse and sexual assault that happens along the way. the factly of how young children die in trying to either cross the employer, who drowned in the rio grande, there was a 10-month-old baby that recently died. the fact that you have young children that are being purchased for sale by smugglers to use because they know that family units have a better chance of getting into the

country and taking advantage of our sound laws. so i think president trump should go out and speak of it in terms of humanitarian aspects that we are facing as a country. i think you might see some more collective agreements. >> harris: it'll be interesting, richard, for there to be some accountability and just talk about the children who died in our custody. why is that happening? >> richard: not only that, but how we are detaining some of these folks seeking asylum here. we saw reports from our own american government officials saying these are deplorable. >> lisa: why would they pass one in? >> richard: as harris said, these are band-aids for the president ran on this ideal of -- wait a minute, wait a minute. the president ran on this agenda of fixing immigration. what i would like to see from this president is an actual car brands of immigration plan. his plan. where he doesn't democrat. all we've seen his executive orders, fixes, speeches, and rhetoric.

>> harris: hhs, the secretary, told me on friday that they are going to run out of money for taking care of migrant children. >> richard: i agree. >> harris: we are at critical mass. >> richard: is the perfect opportunity. >> harris: is not a political issue. >> melissa: there's an easy solve any sense, that he hasn't put at a conference of plant -- in my mind, nobody has. so i don't have that giant pot luck lunch or everybody comes up with their want toes and he sat down in? another problem have's gotten so big that there is no easy solution, no one solution, no band-aid. everybody has to sit down and we need a bunch of fixes. vision for everybody's idea because it's on fire. >> lisa: i think a set of issues easy to solve. you can look at the things like the limited amount of time families can be detained pretty look at the fact that the vast disparity between the amount of asylum-seekers who passed the first interview but only such a small proportion actually get granted asylum, because they are

coming from economic reasons as opposed to actual asylum reason reasons. >> richard: the problem is the system is archaic and you can't look at asylum in a vacuum. it's one part of our immigration. remember. 90% of the folks here illegally or here because of visa overstays. either a tourist visa or a student visa. >> melissa: you can't look at anything in a vacuum, you're absolutely right. fixing any of these individual things will not fix the problem. >> harris: if they run out of money to take care of some of these migrant children, it'll get more real than it already is. >> melissa: disgraced ex-football star o.j. simpson igniting new controversy with a social media posts marking 25 years since his infamous ford bronco police chase. what he may have meant by the post and whether he should have said it. that's next. >> i got a little to do. ♪ ♪ limu emu and doug.

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♪ >> harris: 25 years ago today, americans were glued to their televisions watching that infamous o.j. simpson police chase in california. simpson was in the backseat of at bronco with a gun. he attempted to evade police questioning over the murders of his ex-wife nicole brown simpson and her friend, ron goldman. he was charged and eventually acquitted in a criminal case but found liable in a civil case. different parameters they are. and now, simpson is debuting a new twitter account, saying he needs to settle some scores. >> there's a lot of fake oji accounts out there, so this one, it's the only official one. it should be a lot of fun. i've got a little getting even to do. >> harris: ron goldman's sister is also speaking today, criticizing his reemergence.

>> i will admit, i started reading some of the comments. he doesn't have a lot of fans supporting them out there, which i'm brittle for. i find it kind of disgraceful that on the observation of their deaths, that's the day he chooses to go online and says he's going to get even. >> harris: up on twitter, getting even. >> carley: unbelievable. >> richard: this is a very interesting case. i remember being very young child, but the whole nation was glued to the ins and outs of this case and how it divided our country. for them to sort of come back up now, the country still divided enough for other reasons. for him to come back and i with a twitter account might not of been the best forum. >> harris: for him or us? >> richard: for everybody involved! >> harris: have for him, he gets a pop back into -- >> carley: he has 642,000 twitter followers pretty wants to follow this guy and give them a platform i think anybody follows him should immediately unfollow him right now, unsubscribe.

don't listen to what this guy is saying. >> lisa: 100%. not only did this guy's been nine years in prison for armed robbery and kidnapping, but -- >> harris: completely unrelated to this. >> lisa: on a separate think paper there was a poll in 2016 that found 60 and the percent of americans think he's guilty. so if you're among that 69% and he think he's a murderer, as >> harris: had said, don't follow him. don't give him that platform. do your best to deny them that opportunity by not enabling him by giving him a brief follow oo eating everything he says. >> harris: i don't mean to be pessimistic, have we slipped into the land of the spectacular? people want to be involved in the drama of all this? >> melissa: that certain to be true. whether he wants to get even or pay back whatever -- >> harris: what does that mean? >> melissa: what could that possibly mean? you are out, you are golfing, you are in vegas, there are people that -- lives ended. so i don't know what amount of

getting even he could possibly be thinking he is entitled to. but, you know -- it's shocking, having grown up in l.a., when that happened -- we all remember where we were at that point in time. it was just -- it is still shocking to me. maybe that is what the message is, that it's just as shocking today as it was then. so maybe that's a good thing. that we haven't become jaded to these types of things. it's just shocking. >> harris: all right, we will move on. wait, you were just there, carley! >> carley: i was! 's view on the u.s. women's soccer team with another victory in the world cup yesterday. do you see it? and some players using the opportunity to push back against hard news topics by criticism of the way they celebrated their previous first win. whether that was the right move, and so much more. ♪ ♪

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♪ >> lisa: welcome back. the u.s. women's national soccer team winning their second match of the world cup yesterday. defeating chile 3-0, and they know in advance of next round. carli lloyd scored the first

goal, and she did a golf club. that was a shot at critics saying they celebrated too much during their blot victory of thailand last week. here's the video of lloyd yesterday. >> announcer: didn't go to press, what a goal! >> lisa: when asked about that moment, lloyd said it was her teammates' idea, saying she said if we scored that's what we are going to do. so i went along with it. after i did randall's liberation. but it was fun. i think it made a statement on the sideline there, it was cool." the team will next face off against sweden this thursday to wrap up the group stage of the competition. carley, i'm starting with you. you were just there covering all this for fox 1. what was that like and what you think about this little golf clap? >> carley: when i got on the plate to head back to new york, the first thing i thought of was i didn't have a single glass of champagne the thing that

impressed me the most was there so many americans that travel to france to watch this game and support the u.s. women's team, which i thought was so cool. probably 90% of the stadium in the game against thailand was filled with u.s. fans or even french fans that were supporting team usa because they are number one in the world. the golf clap thing i think is a good shot at critics. what people don't understand is four people, four players who scored goals in the first game did so in their first world cup game ever. that is a dream come true for them. you can't tell them not to celebrate that. that would be such a tall asked. >> richard: i completely agree. there is a saying i have come a mind over matter. they should not mind and the critics don't matter. [laughter] as we watch this team do so brilliantly, we should be asking yourself the question -- why are they getting paid the same as the men's team when they are far better? through skin, they scored 13 goals. that's more than the men's team scored all year. yet they get paid more.

>> carley: they didn't even make it into the world cup, the men's team. >> harris: as the tournament goes on and goes through july, the differential of goals is really important. would he ever scream at the man to stop playing, stop the game, don't give it your all? we know how competitive. for the women, they tend to score more right now than the u.s. men's team. but at the end, it's what separates them from another team. a few goals, that's important that they give it their all, no matter who's doing the scoring. >> lisa: i'm of the belief that nobody should apologize for winning. that's ridiculous, as someone who played sports my tire life. let's go to you, melissa. the critics of the women's team are saying, "look, the men's world cup, they make more money." also studies have shown that the women get a larger percent. it's just less of the pie revenue. if you have any comments on that aspect? >> melissa: it's supposed to be based on the revenue that comes in. whether it's their sponsorships,

it's not how much they win by. it's how many tickets they sell, what is that price and what is the price of the apparel they sell? that sort of thing. and there is competition out there. women traditionally get paid less because they generate less interest. in this case, they generate a ton of interest. but i want to go back to scoring. harrison i, we were talking about this over the break. we have child athletes and there is that thing where you try to teach them about sportsmanship. it's more difficult than you think to teach the kids to play hard and to really go for it. because your natural reaction is to say, "wow, i do! "it's tough to try and temper that i teach them like you do. to think about the other side, that you need to have manners and to think about -- it's hard for me to even say it on the air. >> harris: i'm going to get into trouble for saying this,

but we are going athletes, not plants. we are not growing plants. we are growing athletes. when you get to the world cup, if you can score 13, go on i get yours. >> richard: i think it's sad that men don't get as much criticism for doing the same thing. >> lisa: i think we are all rooting them on. that's a place of agreement. >> harris: go usa! [laughter] >> lisa: as we mentioned, you can catch the u.s. women's team in their third and final match of group play. they will face off against sweden on thursday at 3:00 p.m. eastern, only on fox. you are going to watch it. [laughter] more "outnumbered" in just a moment. stay with us. fact is, every insurance company hopes you drive safely.

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this was a fun show! we had a lot of fun. we are back here at noon eastern tomorrow. for now, here's harris. >> harris: we begin with the increasing tension between the united states and iran. what the rogue nation is threatening to do now that i could bring both sides closer to a confrontation. "outnumbered overtime," with the news that has been cooking in the last hour, to bring you now. i'm harris faulkner. iran has announced that it will break the iranian stockpile limits set by the 2015 nuclear deal in the next ten days. that's according to a spokesperson for the atomic agency that also acknowledge that iran has already quadrupled its production of low-enriched uranium. i can be used in a nuclear reactor but not a bomb. all this as secretary of state mike pompeo says the u.s. will defend against iranian aggression, including last week's alleged taker attacks near the strait of hormuz. watch. speak of the