the lessons from the holocaust -- he goes on to defend the statement she made. that's the first time we've heard from part of the democratic leadership coming to her defense and saying something about it. >> sandra: i will see you on "martha" 7:00. we will be back tomorrow. "outnumbered" starts now. ♪ >> harris: president trump is far friend of his supporters. he officially launches 2028 reelection campaign packed house at the amway center. the president is hoping to defy his critics once again. after his first successful campaign shook up the american l system. this is to be 25. i'm harris faulkner. here today, melissa francis. "town hall" editor and fox news contributor, katie pavlich. former ohio senate democratic minority leader, capri cafaro. in the center seat, ian pryor, former justice department deputy director of public affairs and

vp of mercury public affairs, and he is -- we say you are "outnumbered" but you are right at home. >> ian: this is great, this is my last day as a 41-year-old so i'm glad to be here. >> harris: oh, really? that's a good way to say her birthday is tomorrow. happy birthday. he returned back the clock. during the commercials if the dig is how to do that. welcome. president trump hitting on some familiar themes during his 75 minute speech. counting the strength of the economy, and job growth. calling for congress to fix the border crisis, among other issues. watch. >> we will defend privacy, free-speech, religious liberty, and the right to keep and bear arms. great nations do not want to fight endless wars. they've been going on forever. our economy is the envy of the world. with your love and your devotion, and with your drive, we are going to keep on working.

we are going to keep on fighting, and we are going to keep on winning, winning, winning. [cheers and applause] 's view on the president also painted democrats is too far left in taking aim at two of his potential 2020 opponents. watch. >> as we fight to make life better for all americans, the democratic party has become more radical, more dangerous, and more unhinged than at any point in the modern history of our country. to support crazy bernie sanders, socialist government takeover of health care. [boos] he seems not to be doing too well lately. remember the statement from the previous administration? "you need a magic wand to bring back manufacturing." while... we will tell sleepy joe that we found the magic wand. >> harris: if you want but formr vice president joe biden quickly hit back by tweeting this.

"let's be clear -- president trump inherited the growing economy from the obama-biden administration and now he's in the process of squandering it." senator bernie sanders also sounded off after the rally in a video message. >> listening to trump made me feel very much that he is a man living in a parallel universe, a man way out of touch with the needs of ordinary people. and a man who must be defeated. and i can understand that he attacks me or other democratic candidates because hole after poll he is showing the country that trump is falling further behind in terms of his ability to get reelected. >> harris: how do you think the president did in his speech last night? >> ian: i think it's great. i think it reminds people how he won back in 2016. how he won in 2016 is very similar to how he will do it in

2020. solidify the base, keep the people you want in 2016. remind them why they voted for you. then when he gets an opponent, you have to make that opponent so out of touch, so radical, that even people who don't necessarily want to vote for trump are going to have to vote for trump because the alternative is just so radical. >> harris: katie, kind of as a follow-up to what ian is saying, is there work that has to be done to make those candidates, some of them, seem far left? or are they doing some of that work for the president? >> katie: i think they are doing that work themselves. you have joe biden going far to the left and changing positions he has had for 40 years to appease the primary process. you got things like socialism and socialist medicine being on the table as a major platform for a number of these candidates. the takeover of the student loan issue, doing that. i think we have some breaking news so i'm going to go back to harris. >> harris: all right, we want to get what's happening on

capitol hill right now. as you may know, before -- that's hope hicks. i was trying to listen to what our team was saying. so she is departing right now. capitol hill, after giving some testimony. we had been hearing what was going on in terms of that testimony from representative swelled well and some of the other democrats have been talking with our cameras this morning. just simply saying that she was trying to evoke privilege and not have to answer some questions. that's from representative eric swalwell, democrat from california. he says, "i will be president of the committee to interview hicks. it's time for her to come clean. i was part of the interview team that interviewed her last year and they were a number of times where she refused to answer questions." so they were looking forward to fill in and testimony today. with or not they got it, i guess

we will have to see. >> harris: don't ask me to be will find out. i think they are parsing when she was working on the campaign verses in the white house, and she couldn't claim executive privilege for both. so that was where some of the questioning was supposed to focus today as she went in. >> harris: we will talk about it more and have more on "outnumbered overtime," as well. katie, you were just responding to what ian had said. just in terms of, you know, how much palpable democrats get the president in terms of that far-left perspective for them to work with? >> katie: the big benefit is he has the ability to campaign for his agenda, that he has put into place while he's been the president of the last couple years. to talk about his accomplishments while democrats are going to have to fight it out on the main stage and have that food fight, so to speak. beat each other up. then they will have to reconcile the differences. i want to talk about next line little bit because it's different this time in terms of

the apparatus of the president has for his campaign. in addition to the rally next lt night, we had seen a hundred thousand people signed up. they trained 400,000 plus volunteers, and last night in addition to the rally there were 700 "make america great again" meet ups for thousands of people to watch around the country. they are engaged, they are interested in what the president -- >> capri: ground game is important. >> harris: i want to step in because he just said the word "enthusiasm," and the rnc chairwoman ronna mcdaniel was talking about this. she put it this way in a two each. "donald trump has raised a record-breaking $28 million for his reelection. the enthusiasm across the country for this president is unmatched and unlike anything we've ever seen." i would add that it's a combination between rnc and the president, his campaign. but that is -- >> capri: that's the value of incumbency. unlike 2016, president trump did

not really have the benefit of the establishment and the infrastructure because he was such an outsider. so he's going to benefit from that. to the point -- actually just wrote a column for foxnews.com about about this. donald trump has things he can point to as victories on the compliments. he is not just candidate trump, now he is president trump. but he loves to be that candidate. instead of talking about his accomplishments, he is still focusing more on kirk at hillary, relitigating -- >> melissa: i don't know about that. he went through promises made, promises delivered. i was taking notes listening to this because i want to hear it through my own ears as opposed to what people right afterwards. talking about taxes and regulate an end regulatory reform full appointment, what is meant for the economy. but he also hit on one of the main themes that really gets people who are behind him fired up and emotional. he used "we" and "us" instead of

"me," and he talked about the group, which was very good. he had on the deplorables theme. they want to take a away your vote and your voice pair the people out there can be trusted to make their own decisions, even in voting. they have can be trusted paid s what it's about. an elite class that nose was better for you and your family, who knows better how to spend your money. who knows better than you on anything paid you can't be trusted, you are deplorable, you shouldn't be allowed to vote. >> capri: i just want to say, i saw this on the front lines in ohio when i was still in office back in 2016. so many people saying that national democrats in particular talk down to them. that donald trump listen to them. and i think democrats need to be very careful in 2020 that they don't think things for granted. they don't rely too much on the polls, and they have a 50-6 strategy. that they do resist this

socialist siren song. whoever does that is going to do it to their peril and a general election. >> harris: you better call bernie sanders because it's not just a song. it's all the lyrics. [laughter] >> melissa: we have a week to go into the first debate. democrat a front runner joe biden defending himself on those in the left who see them as an. saying that at one of the big-money fund-raisers he attended yesterday in new york city, "i know the new left tell me that this is old-fashioned. well, guess what? if we can't reach a consensus in our system, what happens? it encourages and demands abusive power by a president. that's what it does." he didn't stop there. at one of the gatherings he told those in attendance that he won't target them because of their wealth. saying, "remember, i got in trouble with some of the people on my team on the democratic side because i said, you know, what i found his rich people are just as patriotic as poor people. that's not a joke. we might not want to demonize

anyone who has made money." in the meantime, while he was raising a record haul last night, elizabeth warren tweeted, "i don't spend my time at fancy fund-raisers. instead i spent time with voters who chip in with a can. donate $3 to my campaign and you might get a call for me to say thank you." ian, it's interesting -- what do you think about this? one of them is trying to go centrist. the other one is saying "i reject money," but it could be to her peril. it seems like he's been in the swamp for 50 years and maybe he'll say anything. centrist, left, whatever. >> ian: he saw the hyde amendment flip-flopped, the china threat flip-flop. you all over the place. what he needs to do is pick where he wants to be unjust be that. learn from what trump did in 2015 and 2016. don't make apologies for who you are, because you are never going to get that anchor as to what

people can latch onto and be excited about. it's fine now that he is leading and leading in the polls, but when that field starts to dwindle and it becomes him and bernie sanders are him and elizabeth warren, the enthusiasm is not going to be for biden. for sanders or warren or some of the others, that isn't seen as the swamp politician. >> melissa: if that's true, how do you explain how far ahead he is now? >> capri: two primary factors paid one is name recognition, which can be ignored. the other is the sentiment that among the other democrats their number one goal and their number one criteria is to beat donald trump. i think there is this sense -- maybe it's a false sense, but i think there is a sense that joe biden is the most competitive candidate against donald trump because he had been plain-spoken in the past. "i'm going to go take trump to the back of the barn and hit him!" and all those three crazy thins if you would just stay the course and not get -- you

know -- managed to much, he would have a better opportunity. but i think right now what joe biden is also doing is he is just trying to make sure that he is playing the long game. he's pretending like he's the nominee. look at what that is real or clinton. you got to be careful there, to too. >> melissa: the joe biden that would take people and the barn, i miss him. this is -- >> katie: he's being mismanaged by the party, not by his staff. he talks about physical altercations. just this week, he said if we can't work together maybe we should get into physical altercations. what does that mean? republican candidates, if they said that they would be accused of calling for civil war. but somehow joe biden gets away with it. my question is, what is his real platform? because he continually goes back to barack obama on the economy. the gdp was stagnant, median

income from american families, which has gone up under trump, was flatlined under obama. he's changing all of his positions. at the same time he is running under barack obama's economy. >> capri: but that was not as bad as people think. >> katie: it was horrible! >> harris: it's interesting, because the democratic vice chair put out a statement about how they sidestepped the hyde amendment. that was something that we saw joe biden flip-flop on. is he for it, is he against it? federal funding for some abortions. so it was going to be a distraction against all that was going into the spending bill. so it isn't just that he doesn't have a platform. democrats haven't quite figured out where they are on some of these issues, or maybe they have and they just don't want to tackle them. where do you go as the party nominee if you think you're going to beat that? >> melissa: from a fact perspective, the biden economy

was the slowest recovery from a recession in the history since they been keeping track. from effect perspective. some senators from both parties now demanding answers on president trump's iran strategy after the decision to deploy troops to the middle east. this, as the uss tehran was behind last week's attack on two oil tankers. so is more becoming a bigger danger, or is the white house promoting peace through strength? we will debate it. plus, democrat congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez doubling down after criticism for comparing i.c.e. detention centers to "concentration camps." did her rhetoric go too far, and should top democrats be forced to address it? >> this type of rhetoric from our elected leaders is irresponsible, reckless, misinformed, and wrong. what's ironic about this is we have been saying all along we've had a crisis. it's real, it's not

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♪ >> it's surprising to me that of all people it's elizabeth cheney coming to the defense of separating children from their parents at the border. but the academic definition of concentration camps is targeting a community and putting them in detention camps without a trial. and that's what the government is doing. that's what the trump administration is doing. >> katie: democrat congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez talking to tmz last night and not backing down. she is facing growing criticism for equating immigration detention centers to concentration camps. some republican house lawmakers

slamming ocasio-cortez, including congresswomen don't commerce woman with cheney. >> at some point you run out of ways to describe how ignorant this is. we should never be in a situation where somebody is bringing up the holocaust in this public discourse, particularly diminishing what happened, particularly demeaning the state of israel, demeaning the memory of the people who were lost. see through and acting as director says that her comments are especially galling since congress refused to deal with the issue. >> our resources are overwhelmed. the border patrol -- those facilities are designed for adults. they are not designed for families and kids. we've been saying that for a very, very long time. congress could pass meaningful legislation that could end this tomorrow. so the irony is unbelievable here. >> katie: and just a short time ago, democratic house judiciary chairman jerry nadler defending her remarks. now the tweeting "one of the lessons from the holocaust is never again. not only to mass murder, but

also to the dehumanization of people, violations of basic rights, and assaults on our common morality. we failed to learn that lesson when we don't call out such humanity , inhumanity rights in front of us. >> the issue is twofold. the comparison downplays the holocaust and the second is that they are accusing i.c.e. agents of acting like nazis. the >> ian: absolutely. they are also misstating what actually goes on and they are simplifying. if they come across the board with a child and they are in a -- in many cases, they end up going to the federal penitentiary system while they await hearing. are you supposed to bring a child into a federal prison? no, they go into a dhs facility and an hhs facility, and then they are let go into the interior. that's what happens at the border and that's because of the laws that we have in place that are archaic, that do not fit together and do not work where

we are now. the continued misrepresentation of what happens down there and why it happens down there is really unfortunate. not to say what she said about the holocaust. that's absolutely absurd. >> melissa: can i say in even more basic -- she's the one responsible for what's going on with the border. so if she says it's a concentration camp, her and her fellow congresspeople are the ones who have created a system where this is going on. they are the ones who have failed to respond to the crisis. they are the ones who have ignored border patrol when they have said "these are horrible conditions, change the law, send us money, help us out." for her to sit there and be so sanctimonious when she is the one who has at fault to me is beyond -- >> capri: i'm glad you brought this up. i think that whether you are a democrat or republican, lawmakers are shirking their responsibility on capitol hill and at every level of government. you can point fingers all day long, the bottom line is this.

alexandria ocasio-cortez can be critical of the conditions at the border, but she needs to put her money where our mouth is. she had everybody else. introduce a bill, introduced an amendment. guess what? when you compare anything to the holocaust, the actual underlying issues here of concern are getting eclipsed by your incendiary language. you do yourself no favors. >> harris: is in the part of the point? if you were going off a cliff because you simply cannot get anything done, because your politico constipated on capitol hill, that's happening. what you do? you try to get everybody go and look in the direction of the shiny object that you are flushing. rabbi abraham cooper, an associate dean at the wiesenthal center, wrote this in an op-ed. "during world war ii, nazi concentration camps were death camps were innocent women, men, and children died. they were hitler's final solution to kill every jew on earth." that's the definition of what

was happening. "absurd" is what he calls a come too. the point of all this is now we are talking about this and we are not talking -- we are talking about being in defense of something we would promise never happens again. i don't care that she puts it in a tweet. we promised it as humankind, as americans. we just were talking about normandy 75 years later. can we just live in a lane for a whale that lets us do that and separately go and solve the problem of the border? by muddling it like this the way that she has done, it is conveniently putting the topic on something else. it's a heartless way to do it. >> katie: continues the problem of overcrowding, on the problem that continues as well as congress not gasping on the selma she's on the border. >> capri: apparently there is something that's going to pass. >> katie: it was introduced republican senator . >> harris: maybe that'll keep hhs from running out of money to three weeks. which is what secretaries are a single happened to take care of migrant children in this country.

because they had released the money. so that's part of it. >> katie: after announcing plans for masi's arrest starting next week. similar to american stand on the issue? plus, the president sounding off on hillary clinton's email investigation after the state department said it uncovered as many as 20 security incidents. some republicans are now calling for. up next. >> if i deleted one email, like a love note to melania, it's the electric chair for trump. ♪ the best simple dishes ever?

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incidents involving more than a dozen employees." congressman jim jordan and two other republicans are making the request in a letter to each chairman elijah cummings, and it says "given your previous statement about protecting our national security interest, i hope you would agree that the committee should take immediate action on this matter. the wide-ranging fallout from these mishandling incidents should not be minimized or obscured." and the state department review catching the attention of president trump, watch. >> can you imagine? if i got a subpoena -- think of this. if i got a subpoena for emails, if i deleted one email, like a love note to melania, it's the electric chair for trump. >> harris: formerly with the justice department, what do you make of it all?

>> ian: well, classification exists for a reason. if you have government employees that are not taking that seriously, that's a big problem. to have someone like hillary clinton that essentially gets off, it sends a message that this stuff really isn't that important. until you enforce that and you do in a very public way, you're going to start to have a situation where people don't pay close attention to those rules. i think when you handle classified information it should be like handling a biological agent. you don't put it where it doesn't need to be, and that goes for digitally, as will pray the fact that this went on in the state department is something that needs to be looked into and enforce. >> harris: that's really resonating. everyone on the couch had a reaction to how you handle that classified information. like a biological agent. do you think this would have gotten a close eye bloke that it's getting now from ag william barr and others in terms of investigation into how things get started, email, all of it? i look at all of it and kind of the same zone if it was not from

president trump pushing this whole witch hunting. are you looking at every side? >> ian: i think it's a combination of the president, certain republican members of congress that i've highlighted this. some in the news media that have highlighted this. it has really taken a wild doctor and get hold. but now we are there. i think the tipping point was included mueller investigation. that investigation wrapping up, and he realizes really know they're there. okay, you're going to try and fit this square obstruction peg into a round hole. but as far as the underlying investigation, there is nothing there. now we need to look at why we had that investigation, and it turns out there is something there. >> melissa: as somebody was on the inside at the doj when the president says things like, last night, one of his big things was there are two systems of justice. one for the elite and one for the nonelite or 14 people in power in washington, that type thing, and one for either the regular people or the people they hate. is there any truth to that? >> ian: well, i don't know if there's truth to it, but i do

think that if i were at the department of justice i set up a personal secure email server to receive all my emails including classified emails, i would be in jail right now. i wouldn't be sitting on this couch. >> melissa: did you ask, why would someone do that? my thought was always -- looking at the things, where the foundation was involved in, that there was a reason. that it was really what it was about. more than just the classified information, that the email server -- but why would you feel it was necessary? to do business outside of where anyone was looking at it? was that part of the discussion? >> ian: i think the foundation was the foundation of it. i think the experience is the clinton's had a knee '90s where they got busted for everything they did -- travelgate, filegate, whitewater, you name it. they realize, "we need to protect ourselves." >> katie: she wanted to evade congressional oversight pray that's exec we why that's exactly why they did

this. clinton emails, these were top-secret emails that put people's lives and dangers on the ground in places like libya and all over the world. that's why it's so serious. and there were no consequences. the people that have been doing the most work on this is not congress, not the present. this judicial watch. they are the ones who found these emails because they had been suing for information from the state department, and pulling it out slowly over time. the big question is, will there ever be accountability? not just barely clinton, but the 20 instances around them and the people who are maybe still working -- whether they will be held accountable. >> capri: really quickly, my question is -- all the way back in 2015 and 2016 in particular, president trump, even in the debate, said, "i'm probably going to go after hillary clinton. i'm going to investigate her." so i do think it's taken this long? why do you think the justice department hasn't acted up to this point? >> harris: that's what i was

asking. with the presence push back on all of this, would it have played a role? you said it was part of it. >> capri: it seems like a really long time. >> katie: the fbi cleared her for handling -- gross negligence, mishandling information. >> ian: it was clearly gross negligence. [laughs] >> katie: exactly. that was done. >> capri: trump be aware, we are out of office, you may still be a target event. >> harris: secretary of state mike pompeo singh president trump does not want war with iran as the u.s. announces plans to send additional troops to the middle east. and now a group of senators are -- bipartisan, excuse me -- want to know why that is. does it backfire or is it necessary to keep the pressure on iran? we will debate it stay with us. >> this is a dangerous area and it can spark quickly. the iranians are not to be trusted. and act out all kinds of ways. things can get out of control very quickly there.

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♪ >> melissa: right now the house foreign affairs committee is holding a hearing on oversight of the trump administration's iran policy, after secretary of state mike pompeo made assurances that no one wants war with iran. >> we are engaged -- we have been engaged in many messages. even this moment right here. communicating to iran that we are there to deter aggression. president trump does not want war. we will continue to communicate that message while doing the things that are necessary to protect american interests in the region. >> melissa: the u.s. moving to boost troop levels in the middle east, and now a group of bipartisan senators are demanding president trump explain that decision. writing a letter that reads in part, "we remain concerned that

increasingly escalating escalas by both sides will lead to an unnecessary conflict, given that a growing risk we want to reiterate that as of this date t authorized war with iran and no current statutory authority allows the u.s. to conduct hostilities against the government of iran." this coming as iran's nuclear agency announced it will soon surpass its uranium stockpile limit unless europe intervenes. on the u.s. blaming turnaround for last week's attacks on two oil tankers and a key transportation cory gore don't act on my corridor in the gulf of oman. here's a miss king. >> i don't understand the strategy, yes, i have concerns about where it's going. if the national security advisor -- there must more a couple of tinkers, no big deal? it's very confusing. it's a confusing message to the world and to the iranians.

and it's hard to determine. >> melissa: that was our mistake, he's not a democrat, he's an independent. katie, what you think of this? you hear experts say we are not selling enough people to be in attack posture. clearly by the number of troops, this is about defense and of our allies. but you have folks in congress, ringing the alarm bells. >> katie: have just not clear on the argument. that if we respond to violent attacks, bombings against u.s. interests were allies in the region were trying to keep shipping lanes with free movement, if we respond to that with rhetoric or with some kind of military reaction, that we are somehow responsible when the iranians are the ones who are initiating the violence and the attacking. so that's the first thing. the second thing is the president has not made more clear that he does not want to intervene in another country in

the middle east, that we want to get out. the thousand troops they are sending are not going to invade iran, they are going to protect a number of american interests we have in the region and there are many. they are going to bolster our relationships with our allies. when pompeo went to baghdad on a surprise trip in may, he was there to meet with the iraqis as the intelligence was showing iran was ramping up their efforts. as we've seen over the last month, intelligence ended up being true. there are more incidents outside of just the oil tankers getting bombed. they shot mortar right outside of usmc in iraq a couple weeks ago. there are a number of incidents. sending a thousand troops as a deterrent and it's not america's fault that we want to respond. that we may have to respond with some kind of military action. >> capri: but we imply it with federal law though. >> katie: how are we breaking a law? there being aggressive and putting mines on tankers in the gulf. >> melissa: how are we breaking the law? >> capri: what i'm trying to say is during the situation in iraq comfortable --

>> katie: not the same thing. totally different. >> capri: we have in congress a long-standing authorization for military activity. there have been people like rand paul and others, democrats and republicans, that have raised concerns that we get into military activities without appropriate congressional signoff. >> harris: without an aumf. >> capri: a reauthorization. >> harris: melissa, you follow the money so well. the sanctions are working. that's the bottom line and all of this. and they are going to get desperate. we are seeing is desperation. my question is, what is the tipping point for us to start doing those things that are more than signals? for instance, you can send a signal by send more troops or start escorting those ships to make sure they reach where they need to go. you can start to actually do things that are not the beginnings of war but the beginnings of what kind of settles things a little bit in

this instance. >> melissa: i think it's interesting -- to answer her question, if you look at this through the lens -- and i think it was general jack kenya since yesterday but i could be wrong -- if you look at everybody trying to get leverage ahead of us attend and you see the president sing again and again that the thing he would want most is a sedan of the table with iran and have a conversation about what's going on with the need to do, and you see both sides sort of teeing up as much leverage ahead of time, whether it's iran planting these mines so they can get european allies to say, "yikes, we need to get through these lanes," or whatever it is. don't you think? >> ian: absolutely. one of the things we need to think about with president trump -- i will make this quick -- remember when everyone was afraid he would have his hands on the nuclear arsenal? his every instinct has been to negotiate, to take troops out and issue measured responses in advancement of those negotiation tactics. >> melissa: interesting. actuary showdown -- democratic critics of the presidents thou

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>> sanctuary cities aren't open attack on american law enforcement and american families. sacrificing american lives in pursuit of a callous political agenda. that's all it is. they shouldn't be allowed to run for president of the united states, no one supporting sanctuary cities. >> katie: president trump taking ane at sanctuary cities as his foes not to block his threat to unleash ice on millions of illegal aliens. carol the california governor gavin newsom a frequent trump critics saying he's got a back. it's because that's the effort here, and reelections. to try and justify misdirection. they were creating anxiety. we have your back. we've been through this before. >> katie: his remarks on twitter came in the wake of the president of bowing ice raids

next week. in the meantime, they reach a bipartisan deal to grant more than $4 billion to deal with the humanitarian crisis at the border. leader mcconnell hoping to bring it to the floor for a vote next week. ian, ice arrested 138,000 illegal aliens lester criminal records. it's been framed as a roundup of illegal immigrants. can you give us some context about what's happening and who these people are? >> ian: sure. first of all, when you cross the border illegally you committed a crime. that's not what we are talking about. >> harris: there some discussion that maybe that will change. anyway, go ahead. [laughs] >> ian: we are talking about people that live in the united states illegally that then go and commit another crime, whether they murder somebody, whether they commit armed robbery, whatever the case may be. that's what we are talking about. this idea that somehow this is a bad idea where this is just rounding up illegal aliens, this

is just falsehood. >> katie: via administration put out a statement saying they are specifically targeting a number of people who miss their court date. whether it's an asylum hearing or just an immigration court date to see what they cases, they haven't showed up multiple times and now it's time for them to go. >> harris: you're going to need ice with some help for that. you got political conversations around this factor, "are we going to and continue to have it be a crime to come across the board cannot" and furthering that, are you going to allow sanctuary cities, where you can't get some missed their court date? so on and so forth. this is such a huge conversation around what we find acceptable in this country. which is why i agree with melissa. we need our lawmakers to have a summit, and just get to the basics. you've got to get to the basics before we could change anything. because these places -- you have a decision to push against them. i interviewed a sheriff recently

who said, "look, if there's a problem in the county he's in, he's going after the people he knows he has on the list. he's going to defy the law that now says in his area that it's no longer a not-safe place for people. it's a sanctuary. >> melissa: if you look at this logically, if you think about what the definition is of somebody going and seeking asylum, it's the fact that the rule of law in a place of their coming from, where they no longer feel safe. that we are going to ignore the rule of law and look to places like l.a. where you now have people wanting to recall mayor garcetti because they no longer feel safe. the irony they are, they coming here because they need the protection of the law and refereeing out the window. >> harris: we are now following hope hicks, and we should disclose that of course she's a member of our fox family and our communications here.

she's on the hill today to testify, and the white house has instructed her not to answer questions on her time as white house staff member there. but now she is returning. we had shown you that she had left the hill, she was on a quick break, we understand. returning from a question. we are going to cover this next hour as it happens, capitol hill. stay with us. you're headed down the highway when the guy in

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existed that had been there for us, it's not even about new laws or legislation or any of it. they have to sit down and sort through this problem, it's been a big one. fix for coming. we we back at noon eastern here's harris >> harris: the society. president trump ripped who he calls radical democrats at a raucous 2020 long trail. this is "outnumbered overtime," and harris faulkner. the president is not holding back in his official reelection lodge, at a packed arena last night, he took aim at the mainstream media and hillary clinton and painted the 2020 election and the starkest terms, saying a vote for democrats is a vote for socialism. that their agenda will hurt the country. you are driven by hatred, prejudice, and rage. they want to destroy you. they want to destroy our