medical equipment. they needed to get around. he and his entire team are our midnight heroes. bravo. most-watched, most trusted, most grateful you spent the evening with us. good night from washington, i'm shannon bream. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." let's say somebody committed some sort of horrible crime against you, shot your dog, burned your house down, kidnapped one of your children. let's say the person who did it escaped and then died before being punished. you would be frustrated of course but how would you feel if the police arrested someone else, an innocent person for the crime? someone who happened to look like the criminal and sent that person to prison? would you be happy with that, would you consider it justice? if so, you probably agree with congresswoman sheila jackson lee from texas that we need reparations for slavery.

listen as she describes a version of american history in which the civil war, reconstruction, the civil rights movement, the last 150 years never happened. >> the role of the federal government was supporting the institution of slavery, it must be formally acknowledged and addressed. i just simply ask, why not and why not now? god bless us as we pursue the final justice of those who lived in slavery. >> tucker: that very same federal government also lost more than 600,000 men fighting slavery. it's slightly more complicated than she presented today, nobody in the room was interested in hearing details. it quickly became a circus. anyone who question reparations was booed and heckled. watch. >> it's important that we know our history and we not punish

people today for the sins of their predecessors in the democratic party. i just stated all facts and again we have people who are denying history. >> tucker: even black witnesses drew that response when they dare question the concept of reparations. watch. >> the moment you give me reparations, you've made me into a victim without my consent. bill hr 40 is a moral and political mistake, thank you. [boos] chill, he was presumptive but he has a right to speak. >> tucker: he was presumptive, what does that mean? it means he disagrees with the democratic party's orthodoxy? told the committee that white

people must support racial reparations. he suggested to save their souls gnomic souls from damnation. watch. >> what i'm talking reparations, i'm talking to my white brothers and sisters. you need this more than we do. you need this for your soul. you need this to be able to look black persons in the eye and say i acknowledge the mistake and i want to be part of the solution to repair that damage? >> tucker: bishop sutton will join us in a moment, but he wasn't the only person using rhetoric like this. cory booker said the same country that made him one of the most powerful figures in the it is in fact racist. >> we haven't you have to truly acknowledged and grappled with racism and white supremacy has tainted this country founding. and continues to persist today. >> tucker: in the same

country, that's the point in which the entire room would have burst out laughing precisely because of his title, senator booker. cory booker's parents were highly paid ibm executives, he grew up in a rich all-white neighborhood, he attended stanford, he got a law degree from yale. he's currently a senator from new jersey, he will win reelection easily if he seeks it. new jersey is one of the richest states in the country, it's also a majority white. if white supremacy were a huge problem in america, how did cory booker become a senator? and yet somehow he did. america has given cory booker amazing opportunities precisely because it's not that hateful place he pretends it is. cory booker is one of the most privileged people in the world. he is living proof. but it doesn't matter. actual official racial discrimination of the kind embodied in the jim crow ended half a century ago but as it recedes into memory, it becomes even more important to the democratic party. in a religious procession, half

a dozen democratic candidates prostrated themselves before al sharpton and vowed to seek reparations if they were awarded the presidency. watch. >> congresswoman sheila jackson lee has proposed a bill on how to study how to do reparations. [cheers and applause] would you sign that bill? >> yes. >> would you sign it? >> i firmly support congresswoman jackson leaves bill to study reparations. >> would you sign the bill for reparations? >> yes i would, i already support that bill. >> there are things that we need to do in this country, one of those is to move forward with reparations.

>> tucker: kissing the ring of their moral leader al sharpton, hilarious. on one level it's not funny. as we are often told correctly, america is a diverse country now and becoming more so. a diverse society can only survive by finding shared values and shared goals and pursuing them collectively. when a country collapses into a feud between racial and ethnic religious factions, that country fails every time. warring tribes, that's where this is pushing us. bishop sutton was at these hearings, he was kind enough to agree to join us tonight. thanks for coming on. >> thank you, tucker. >> what you said about white people needing -- all white people needing to support reparations struck me as the antithesis of the christian understanding of guilt, which is god judges each person based on his or her choices, not on the choices made by his ancestors. >> absolutely, but that quote i

definitely was not referring to the eternal significance of people's souls for eternity. that was not my whole statement, i talked about the souls of black folk and the souls of white which is to say all of us have a stake in this. in my diocese, the diocese of maryland, half is republican, half democrat, we are liberal, we are conservative, rural, city, suburban and here's what we did last month. we all voted to affirm the issue of reparations, affirm my statement on reparations and we committed ourselves to doing this and we did it by coming together once it was properly understood that it's not a check given to all black persons. >> tucker: i'm aware of that but let me ask you this -- your diocese has about $53 million in assets.

it has shrunk, there are far fewer episcopalians and there were a generation ago and i know is one of them. why not sell some of your properties and put that money toward reparations if the diocese really doesn't support the issue so much, why not pay for it? >> this is what we are studying. we affirm the principle of it last month. we will spend the next year or several years figuring out how to do that. we do know that money is involved but at the final step. that's why a support this bill, it is to institute a commission so that we can all come together and figure out, what can we do about this mess we have inherited? as a matter of fact, i think you and i should be on that commission and let's figure it out together. >> tucker: as a historical matter, the country has for 150 years, as you put it well, trying to figure out how to fix this mess that we inherited.

that's right, it is a mess, we did inherit it, and we are trying, but i guess what i'm interested in because you are a clergyman is this question of guilt. how can people feel guilty for something they didn't do? how can people who didn't commit a crime be culpable for it? >> i never use the word guilt, i don't think it's the issue. the issue is responsibility, what do we do about this mess? what do we do about the wealth gap? we are not pointing fingers at anyone. in fact, in this journey towards reparation, which just means to repair, it's a journey by love and forgiveness in trying to get all of us on board there. this is what we did in maryland, what we can do in maryland, i think we can do in this nation. >> tucker: i'm sorry, i've got to pin you down. in your statement to date you said what people have to support this so they can look black people in the eye. i don't support this -- wait, hold on and i have no problem

looking african-americans in the eye because i haven't supported slavery or jim crow and or treat each person as an individual, so i don't bear any guilt for this. i don't. but you seem to think i do, why? >> i'm not saying you should feel guilty, you should feel a responsibility as i do, as all of us do. 250 years of slavery and the next 150 years and we are still involved in this and it was only about 40 or 50 years ago that we witnessed the end of the jim crow laws. that came after 100 years of struggle after that. do you really believe that just based on what the great accomplishments we've been able to make in this nation in the last 30 years, that that adequately redresses the debt that we have all inherited? uncompensated labor. >> tucker: i don't -- and i think we are living of the effects of our history. there's no question, i would not deny that.

>> what are we going to do about that? >> tucker: 41% of african-americans in this country receive some sort of aid from the government, the highest of any ethnic group. you are saying we need to put more into programs targeted toward african-americans. i would argue what we have now clearly isn't working, i think you would agree. what do you have in mind that we haven't tried? >> i would agree it's not working well. you know what else isn't working well? underfunded school systems. i gave an example this morning -- african-american elderly women languishing in nursing homes who have inherited no wealth, have no resources, can't we help them? mass incarceration of many of our black citizens, it's a national nightmare. when we are talking about reparations. we are talking about a commitment to address those wrongs.

we are not talking about a check from white persons to black persons. what is this generation going to do together? >> tucker: i would like to see some of the $51 million in your diocese go toward that. >> stay tuned. >> tucker: thank you very much, good to see you. >> thank you. >> tucker: retired nfl star burgess owens was also at today's hearings. he disagrees with the take you just heard, here's his view. >> i do not believe it reparations -- what reparation does is it points to a certain race, a certain color and it points them as evil and points the other race, my race, as one that has not only become racist, but also beggars. this country has given us greatness. look at this panel. it doesn't matter how we think. it doesn't matter our color. we have success in this country because of this great opportunity to live the american dream. let's not steal hypermarkets by telling them they can't do it.

>> tucker: burgess owens also the author of the book "liberalism, how to turn good men into whiners," the most accurate book title in the history of literature, thanks a lot for coming on. >> high, good to talk with you again. >> tucker: thank you. you are opposed to reparations for a bunch of reasons, but one of the points you make is they are degrading to the recipients. >> yes. let me just say this too, we have different types of approaches in our society and particularly in our community. at the for instance, a chance to talk about things we had in common, the youth that we need to get together with. we find a common bond in those areas. at the same time we have those that are political elitists that you are the numbers i talked about, 75% of black boys in a state of california cannot read and write and that doesn't phase them because they know about it.

the real threat to the black community isn't white supremacy it's black elitism. many of those on the panels -- not on the panels but those in the black caucus that see this misery of their policies for decades and they do nothing about it. it doesn't come down to regular people, folks that really have a carrot to empathize with these people, with our race and our kids and they might not come from the same exact place, but we have the same common bond, which is we need to change, help our kids to feel good about themselves and people like the bishop and i, we can focus on our kids. we can do those things together and still figure out a way to get past things like reparations. >> tucker: if you claim to be a leader of the black community and you hear the staff that you just rattled off, 75% african-american boys in the state of california can't read or write and you aren't doing something about that, how can you call yourself a leader? >> you can't. and that's been our problem. we have elected for too long

black elitists, profiteers, people who live the american dream and with no shame turn around and tell us that we can do the same thing. we are waking up, the great thing about where we are today as we are having conversations. real conversations. not the types were going to take us on the socialist path. that's all reparations is, by the way. for those who really dig into it as another form of welfare, having people to ask for something they never earned and then actually be -- feel entitled if they don't give it to them, they will be angry about it. we are going to get past that part and at the end of the day, we're going to get to where we begin to understand and be blessed for this country that gives us opportunities we have today. >> tucker: the great burgess owens. thank you very much. good to see you. >> thank you very much, tucker. >> tucker: believe it or not, more than 35,000 americans live outside in the city of los angeles, they are a must. some locals say the crisis is so bad, it's time to recall the mayor. the woman leading that effort

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♪ >> tucker: as we've chronicled at some length, the homeless problem in los angeles has gotten so bad in the last few years, parts of the city are unrecognizable. tents cover entire neighborhoods, new estimates peg the homeless population at more than 36,000 people. some citizens of los angeles say it's so bad, it's time to recall the mayor over it. trace gallagher joins us with more. >> the effort to recall the mayor is based on leadership on

the homeless issue causing "a serious risk to all public health with reported diseases such as typhoid fever, tuberculosis, and other rodent,, flea, and bedbug borne diseases." one medical expert said that l.a. could see bubonic plague for the first time in 100 years and block after block and mile after mile were replete with drug needles and human waste, a staggering reminder of just howe dire the situation is. without mentioning the recall, the mayor said this, watch. >> homelessness is a massive emergency in our city. it's a crisis unlike anything we have seen before. i've always said that i believe a human caused problem, no matter how many decades in the making can be a human solved problem as well. >> during his first mayoral campaign in 2013, he vowed to solve the problem -- he didn't. then he vowed to get homeless

vets of the street by 2015, he didn't. even after convincing voters to raise taxes and bond money to fight the problem, it's getting worse. the city of l.a. has more than 36,000 homeless, up 16% from last year. in l.a. county it's up 60,000, up 12% from last year. now the mayor says the problem will be solved when l.a. hosts the 2028 olympics but many are skeptical. >> thousands of faceless, nameless individuals who are somebody's son, daughter, husband, who have died on the streets of los angeles. >> getting the recall takes about 314,000 signatures, they have 10,000 so far with about three and a half months to go. tucker. >> tucker: trace gallagher for us. the homeless epidemic in los angeles doesn't just bring blight, garbage and use needles to the city, it's also bringing back diseases that were once

confined to the history books or the third world. >> typhus is popping up, an area where homelessness sprawls across 50 blocks, and infectious disease eradicated in the 1800s that festers and felt and is spread by fleas and rats is back. because the city allows hundreds of homeless people to set up shacks on the sidewalk and live there forever. >> tucker: one of the people leading the effort to recall the los angeles mayor, she joins us tonight. thanks a lot for coming on. what do you think when you drive around your city and you go to parts of l.a., downtown for example and you see homeless population? what does it look like to you? >> i was born and raised in switzerland where homelessness is simply not allowed in a town that had less than 1% crime rate and no drug problems. i think we are living in third world conditions that are a

threat to public health here in los angeles, and we have a mayor who is completely ignorant of that and he is an abysmal failure.s, >> tucker: i can imagine growing up in switzerland, the cleanest, best run country in -- may be the cleanest and best-runry country in the world, this must be shocking to you. why do you think mayor garcetti and the politicians in his orbit put up with this, allow this to happen in los angeles?or >> we have this position in the city of los angeles where our leaders seem to think it's okay to leave people on the streets to die, just whistling past thei graveyard. we have had over 3600 people dig on the streets of los angeles in the past five years. i think that enabling these a people to stay on the streets by "mitigating" homelessness has caused these types of conditions where people are living and dying on the streets of los angeles, it's outrageous.

we have had a 75% increase in homelessness in the past six years under the leadership of eric garcetti. there is no question who is to blame for this increase. he needs to be recalled. the citizens of los angeles have had enough of this. what are we supposed to tell our kids? >> tucker: i couldn't agree more, all of this money is spent to fight homelessness in the situation is getting worse. has it dawned on you that someone is getting rich from this problem? >> that seems to be one of the problems we are having. homelessness is big business these days. the "los angeles times" reported there is a $57 million a year program just to get toilets on the street. we are dealing with environmental crimes, the type that are illegal in the state of california, you can't allow fecal matter to go down thero storm drains. it's been happening for the past six years, it's illegal to do that. these are environmental crimes and we don't have shoe leather

on our streets taking care of this problem. we need to have people committed to state hospitals and people need to be taken off the streets, we need healthpl screenings, these people are dying in our streets, they are h vulnerable to diseases becauseee of their immune systems, there staying on the streets withoutvu having any kind of bridge housing, there is no prevention, no treatment, there is no interdiction. there is no incarceration. people are allowed to commit crimes while the taxpayer has to step over a homeless guy to get to his office and is forced to pay taxes to continue this situation, it's outrageous. >> tucker: i'm voting for you if you ever run for office, i will say that. in the meantime, i'm rooting for this and i hope you will come back and tell us how it goes. thank you. >> recall l.a. mayor garcetti. >> tucker: amen. m california is not the only place

where lawmakers have abandoned their duty to their own citizens. a newly passed bill will give college tuition assistance to illegal aliens who have been in the state for as little as 30 days. middle-class families meanwhile are left out. new york is letting illegal aliens get drivers licenses with expired foreign documents -- you try that.s go ahead and walk in with an expired document and see if they will give you a driver's license. not a chance. they also just lowered the penalties on numerous crimes by one day in order to protect immigrant criminals from being deported. new york city assemblywoman ran against bill de blasio for the mayor of new york, unfortunately she did not beat him. she's now running for congress. she joins us tonight. is it possible, could it really be true that illegal immigrants have a lower standard for getting a driver's licensebe and american citizens? >> the last time i was here, it was because the new york state legislature gave free college tuition for illegal immigrants.

you had me on your show, we were able to get that same protection for our gold star families, of children of military men and women who are either deceased or disabled in combat. so that's number one. we've continued this trend in new york state of putting illegal immigrants unfortunatelt before citizens who have elected us and i think it's wrong and it's got to stop. as you mentioned, you ran through the number of bills that we have so much attention, this session has been about putting the lawbreakers, any illegal immigrants before the citizens of this state and it's a shame. >> tucker: it's unbelievable. a rhetorical question but i want to hear you say -- what would happen if i showed up or you showed up for an american citizen showed up at the dmv with an expired document and tried to get a license, what would they say? >> it's a double standard but what is problematic is the new york state association of county clerks said to straight out, we don't have the ability, the tools, the

technology to confirm that these forms of identity from foreignon governments are authentic. that's a major issue right there. the bill goes so far, it ties the hands of our law enforcement. if someone committed a crime ant now there is a request to deport them, this bill says the dmv needs to notify the license holder that a federal agency is looking for them. that's how crazy and how far the bill goes. in a post-9/11 world, we should not be giving these forms of identification to those who are in our country unlawfully, it's against the 9/11 commission report's recommendations. >> tucker: of course. to give it to foreign nationals whose identities we don't know? it's actually demented, thank you, assemblywoman, for being one of the rare voices against it. appreciate it. good to see you tonight. >> thank you. >> tucker: we are coming, this

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>> tucker: every day the left announced the president is a threat to democracy but at the same time the left is coming closer to taking total control of the internet and blocking any speech that disagrees with that is the plan. tonight we can report last week the democratic party chairman tom perez met with a council on technology and society, it includes the ceo of tech company task rabbit among others. according to a summary, the group bluntly asked tom perez, the head of the democratic party, what they could do to contribute to the broad social good. when you ask that question to the head of the democratic party, what are you asking?

how can we elect democrats?. which is what they are trying to do. in a not unrelated story, a coalition of major companies including verizon, facebook, and google, has announced a new global alliance for responsible media. remember that. global alliance for responsible media. the stated goal is to pressure tech platforms to "develop and deliver against a concrete set of actions, protocols, and processes to protect people and brands." blah, blah, blah. in other words, what they're really saying is censorship and censorship on a vast scale. if they have their way, this will be the end of free speech online and the death of mainstream conservatism. any voice right of center will be targeted as hate speech, controls or simply bad for business. at their game plan. simply a question of whether anybody empower will do anything to prevent you think that trump campaign

it from happening before it does. might be interested in this because there's no chance the president will be reelected ifig supporters can't speak freely online, obviously. blake harris is author "history of the future," thanks a lot for coming on. this seems like an alignment ofc people who control all speech online and why shouldn't that terrify anyone who believes in free speech? >> i wish i had an answer for you, the answer is that it should. i wrote this book and i set out to tell a story about this ragss to riches vr story of the company oculus founded by palmer lucky sold to at facebook and my book took a left turn when he ended up getting fired for being a trump supporter. as i admitted to, i am a lifelong liberal but this is not about left and right, this is about right and wrong and it is alarming what is going on.

of >> tucker: well, it's horrifying. because it is a concentration of more power in one place and we have seen in myr lifetime, probably we've seen since the turn of the last century teddy roosevelt helped break up the trusts, and yet nobody seems worried about it. why is a that? >> i asked myself that same question every morning and what i came to believe is that most of these people, most of these left-leaning people, heads of the tech companies are so certain in their correctness. they think they are fighting the good fight and helping facebook in their mission, facebook is largely an activist company more than anything else. one of the things that comes to mind is andrew bosworth, he is head of consumer at facebook and one of the early employees. he was marc's ta back in hartford. during the election season he casually and freakishly short articles like "there's no such

thing as a good trump supporter." that's just wild to me. the level of discrimination against conservatives, against anyone slightly to the right of the left is astonishing, and when we deal with other groups that are marginalized, at least there is an effort to make things better. at least as an acknowledgment that maybe -- when it comes to omnservatives, the answer you either get is a wink and a nod, or it's just, well, some dues don't deserve to have a platform. i don't agree with many of these views but they absolutely deserve to have a platform. >> tucker: of course. of course. i'm sure are not going to vote for president trump 'his reelection, you know as well as i, he will not be reelected if his supporters can't speak freely, s period. and i don't know if they understand it. i hope they are starting to figuret out.yo thank you for your reporting on the subject, it's important. appreciate it. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: for many years the koch brothers have been public enemy number one and two to the

left. conservatives have called them their own. they are so hated by the left, but the question is are theyy conservative and do they have too much influence over the republicanio party? nothing personal, but the question worth asking, and we will after the break

♪ >> tucker: the dominican republic is anxious to improve its reputation after a wave of mysterious illnesses and deaths, well-publicized. for now, the bad news continues to pile up. former reality star melissa rycroft has become the latest person to say she has fallen ill after visiting the caribbean country. she announced she had serious stomach problems since returning from the dr, she was at nickelodeon resort she says.

meanwhile another tourist said that her flight back fromt a recent trip was carrying severar people who were clearly very ill. earlier today, son of one woman who died in the d.r. shared her story on fox. >> i can only speculate at this point, there has been no clear answer -- i received a police report, it was missing a lot of information. the hotel gave a statement saying she got sick in the hoteg and later passed away in the hospital. they changed it a few days later saying that she was found passed away in her hotel room. she never had any heart conditions or anything like that. >> tucker: we will continue to follow the story. charles and david koch or two of the richest men in the world period each one of them's is worth tens of billions of dollars. some of that money r is inherited. much of it they made themselves. but to their credit the kochs are not content to get richer,

they are engaged intellectuals. if they have the sincere desire to change the world. for years the brothers have been the single mostld important funders of republican politics in washington in the country. the koch network spends hundreds of millions of dollars, every conservative takes koch money. often a lot of it. they train political organizers and candidates. many republican lawmakers owe their careers to the kochs and are happy to say so. for people whose main business is making fertilizer and paper towels, the kochs have been remarkably effective in american politics, not surprisingly the left hates them for it. both the koch brothers and theia families, who by the way are very nice people, have been grotesquely and repeatedly maligned by the media. this and turned has convinced many conservatives that they must be on their side. anyone who's been slandered by "the new york times" has got to be doing something right. at the idea. it's not about standard, but in this case, in the case of the

koch brothers, conservatives might want to pause and rethink the relationship. as it turns out, they don't have much in common with conservatives. they are in fact totally opposed to most conservative policyll goals. they are libertarian ideologues, passionate and inflexible about what they believe. america first? they find the very notion of that absurd if not fascist. an economic policy that seeks to strengthen families, the kochs denies that as crony capitalism or picking winners and losers. they think it's immoral and they will tell you so. controlling our borders, they consider that racist.ki a few years ago in fact bernie sanders noted that the koch brothers are part of the left of him on immigration. open borders? that's the koch brothers proposal, bernie sanders said, and he was right. it's more than a proposal. it's in effect what we have now in this country,h open borders and that's thanks in part to ths kochs. the overwhelming majority of republicans one -- that's why

they voted for donald trump. two and a half years later both the border is more porous than ever. at the tide of humanity is flooding in illegally. republicans in congress have done almost nothing to help, why? you can thank the kochs for that. in 2018, koch backed organizations freedom network and network for prosperity, past pressured republicans in congress to use the limited postelection lame duck session two passed an amnesty for so-called dreamers. going into the selection, the 2020 race, amnesty remains the kochs' top legislative priority. so if you're wondering why the republican party often seems completely out of sync with its own voters, this isyn why. and if not just on immigration. the coke network has also successfully pushed republicans to join the left in going soft on crime. the kochs aggressively back to the first step act, which is currently allowing drug traffickers to leave prison early. they support the sentencing reform and corrections act which would cut required penalties for heroin and cocaine traffickers in half. they are doing all of this in the middle of the deadliest drug

epidemic in american history. the kochs don't bother to argue these so-called reforms woulder help any law-abiding american in any way, they just believe it'so the right thing, the libertarian thing to do. so they are pushing for it. on economics, you won't be surprised to learn the kochs views bear no resemblance at all to what republican voters believe. they push for expanding they have pushed for cuts to social security and medicare. a vast majority of americans are opposed to that. most republicans are opposed to that. almost everyone else, by the way, the republicans want joe or doe might lower drug prices.s the at the kochs are working to get a bill introduced by josh hawley and rick scott that will prevent drug companies from charging americans more than they charge the people of canada or france. that seems like a fair idea to most people. the kochs are preventing it from happening. then the kochsro helped draft te 2017 tax cut that turned out to be a far better deal foror corporate america and it was for the american middle class. a majority of republicans support capping interest rates

on credit cards and payday loans, the kochs think that's ridiculous. when david koch ran fort vice president, abolishing usury laws was part of his platform. there's nothing dumb like nothing surprising about any list or illegitimate. it's what many rich liberals believe. it's just not what most republicans believe. and that's a problem, given that the kochs are the single most powerful figures in the republican party. they don't seem interested in hearing you complain about that, or anything else actually. remarkably, they have now joined the left wing campaign against free speech in america. next month, the charles koch institute will hold a summit with the antidefamation league and executive's for major tech companies. patron, mozilla, the state is to formulate best practices on the fight against hate online. you know what that really means, it means censorship of your views. for the left, fighting extremism always means crushing normal conservatives.

that's why pinterest has censored live action. it's why patry on band milo. it's my mozilla through about four the crime of donating to the wrong political campaign. big tech has become a far greater threat to your freedom of the federal government. kochs don't care about that, nothing google does violates the liberal orthodoxy. more to the point, they don't care about republican voters or what happens to them. okay, that's fine. no law requiring them to care. but why are they running republican party? it's a question republicans should start asking themselves. congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez says our border policy in america is on par with nazi germany. if the media are racing to justify those remarks, is there anything she says they won't defend, anything? we'll investigate after the break. ♪ i have a vision correction number,

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♪ >> tucker: congresswoman ocasio-cortez isn't big on subtlety or nuance or fax. global warming will destroy the planet in 12 years. the only solution is a $10 trillion green new deal. that's what she told us last month. now this week she says illegal immigration detention facilities are identical to concentration camps. >> the united states is running concentration camps on our southern border. and that is exactly what they are. >> tucker: the facilities are probably safer than your typical american city and millions of people weren't breaking into nazi germany so they could get sent to auschwitz but why are we parsing this out? it was a stupid claim, childish, the product of an immature thinker. she said a dumb thing. but the press, their reaction was fascinating. if they doubled to defendant. over at siena and the governor's brother said that her latest

gaffe was no less offensive than the word "nationalist." watch. >> aoc should apologize at the least and probably resign. >> one point of pushback, you didn't have similar problems with the phrase "america first" which is equally stained or the word nationalist which is equally stained. yes, as a matter of fact. but why doesn't it bother you the same way? >> tucker: angela meanwhile says her statements were totally fair because under trump america is just inches away from building death camps. >> it's white fear that is driving this, it's racism at its core. in 1941, they were death camps and that is where we are going if our conscience aren't quickly pierced. >> tucker: michael tracy joins us tonight, i've said dumb things, i'm not attacking ocasio-cortez. why do certain journalists, air

quotes, feel the need to defend that statement and statement like it? >> i can't imagine you have ever said anything dumb so you should retract that. >> tucker: i have! >> if you say so. i can't speak on behalf of journalists. i'm kind of done trying to psychoanalyze these people that inhabit this world where ordinary people can't even hope to penetrate, but i think it is worth pointing out, at least for one thing, that they are not obligated to necessarily defend every word this person otters. bernie sanders, who is an ally of aoc's, does not. he was asked about this on cnn and said that that's not the type of terminology to that he, bernie sanders, would invoke, because that although there are problems in contemporary americ america, you don't necessarily have to analogize those problems to 1930s germany. they can be bad without being bad on a seismic existential level that threatens global catastrophe. that is possible. >> tucker: yes, it is.

>> the problem is when you infuse the debates with very inflammatory rhetoric that gets people emotionally riled up for good reason, invoking the holocaust tends to do that, it obscures the real issues that need to be rationally addressed in order to resolve the very real issues that exist associated with immigration. the u.s. legacy of adventurism abroad and intervention especially in latin america has destabilized some of those countries where we have conditions now that people are being forced to flee northward and in part that has to do with u.s. foreign policy. i'll say that again, the u.s. has a direct role in creating conditions where we have this current crisis but aoc brings up the holocaust references and we are inhibited from having that debate because we have to puzzle

over whether that was the correct term and who's offended, who's behind her, it's a silly meta-debate that obscures what ought to be a debate on the substance of what is going on. >> tucker: governor cuomo's brother feels he needs to defend aoc who probably got home and thought to herself, even by my own standards, that was pretty stupid. when you say something dumb, you know that you have but it's like nobody can admit it anymore. >> i think governor cuomo's give me your 10-second response. >> i think governor cuomo's brother benefits from being part of this unearned nobility, wherever they say just ends up being somehow important when really people should just ignore it. >> tucker: that's true. at that man went to yale, by the way. he must be really smart. he got into yale, did you get into yale? i don't think you did. good to see you. >> i didn't try.

>> tucker: will be back. i didn't either. 8:00 p.m. tomorrow night, the show that's the sworn enemy line pomposity, smugness and groupthink. guess what we got for you? i'll admit it, sean hannity takes over the next hour live from new york city right now. >> sean: i'm really glad you didn't take a got away from his new baby tonight. you're growing. every day you grow a little more. great show. >> tucker: i become a better man every day. >> sean: you're a better man every day. we start tonight with a fox news alert. the president donald trump, who announced he is running for reelection, he will join us in just a few minutes, an exclusive one-on-one interview. unlike the medium, we will let himm talk. last night the president officially kicked off his reelection bid, a massive rally. 20,000 seat arena in orlando packed to the brim. more than 150,000 people, by the way, wanted to be there, and many more stood in an overflow area outside with some literally waiting