new sanctions coming on iran. we will see you back here in an hour. "outnumbered" starts right >> harris: we will stay on this breaking news as we learn new remarks from president trump, that he has signed an executive order on iran. as soon as we get that video which will be hot seconds from now, we will get a warning and bring it to you live here. this is "outnumbered," i am harris faulkner. here today melissa francis, jessica tarlov, kennedy, and glad that he is here as always dan hoffman. fox news contributor as well. great to have you today. >> great to be here. >> harris: president trump following through on his vow to impose new sanctions on iran starting today. meanwhile, u.s. officials are also confirming that the u.s. military carried out a

cyber attack on thursday in response to their downing of the unmanned u.s. drone. now an iranian official is warning that they can bring down more drones if they wish to. yesterday the president said iran can either come to the table to negotiate or live with a crippled economy. watch. >> i'm not looking for war. and if there is, it will be obliteration like you have never seen before. but i'm not looking to do that. but you can have a nuclear weapon. otherwise you can have a bad economy. not as far as i am concerned, no preconditions. >> you will talk anyway? >> you cannot have nuclear weapons. if you want to talk about it, good. otherwise you can live in a for a long time. >> harris: democratic house intelligence chairman adam schiff says the current strategy has led to a few good options. >> the the vice president and others expressed surprise that iran may leave the deal.

it would be surprising if they did in it. and that is a catastrophic result, but it is eminently predictable. it is the foreseeable consequence of the last two years of us heading into this dead end where we either go to war with iran or have a nuclear deal with iran. he made a last-minute decision, but the lead up over the last two years has been disastrous. >> harris: 2020 candidate kamala harris refused to credit the president for showing restraint by calling off air strikes. >> i don't think that anyone should receive credit for a crisis of their own making. there is no question in my mind that the current occupant of the white house, president trump put in place a series of events that led to that event. >> harris: now a top national security official has told fox news that iran is an inflection point. at an inflection point saying that the pressure campaign is working. we are inside that two-minute warning, probably 90 seconds away of being able to show you

the president's latest remarks. we can tell you that he has signed the executive order on sanctions on the supreme leader of iran. in response to shooting down drone and many other things tinker, et cetera, i am reading you the notes right now. if sanctions were denied a supreme leader and office to key financial resources and support. assets of the supreme leader are not spared from sanctions. a dan hoffman with just a few seconds of response. >> dan: there is no question that that the maximum pressure on iran has crippled their economy and the president is doing that because he wants iran to come back and negotiate a better deal. let's remember that chuck schumer did not support the very iranian nuclear deal that president obama's administration negotiated because it did not cover the ballistic missile program. and the fact that they are a state sponsor of terrorism. not to mention the sunset clause in the nuclear program itself. the president wants to give them an offer, negotiations without preconditions.

we will see if they come to the table. >> harris: i see what you did just there, kennedy, some bipartisan oxygen into the room, because what the president and any other president would try to do is get congress to at least agree to some point whatever his vision was. we are inside 30 seconds now. the president of the united states has signed that executive order and he said that he would be applying some more sanctions. and now that has happened. let's go inside the oval office now so that we can watch the president fill in the details. >> president trump: okay, thank you very much. in a few moments i will be signing an executive order on hard-hitting sanctions on the supreme leader of iran and the office of the supreme leader of iran and many others. today's action follows a series of aggressive behaviors by the iranian regime in recent weeks including shooting down a u.s. drone and shot down the drone, i guess everyone saw that one. and many other things. and they have done many other

things aside from the individual drone coming to sell the tinkers and we know of other things that were done also that were not good. and not appropriate. the supreme leader of iran is one who ultimately is responsible for the hostile conduct of the regime. he is respected within this country, his office oversees the regime's most brutal instruments including the islamic revolutionary guard corps, sanctions imposed through the executive order that i'm about to sign will deny the supreme leader and the supreme leader's office and those closely affiliated with him and the office access to key financial resources that support. the assets of ayatollah khomeini and his office will not be spared from the sanctions. these measures represent a strong and proportionate response to iran's increases only increasingly provocative actions paid we will continue to increase pressure until the

regime abandons its dangerous activities and its aspirations including the pursuit of nuclear weapons, increased enrichment of uranium, development of ballistic missiles and support for terrorism. fueling of foreign conflicts, and belligerent acts directed against the united states and its allies. the agreement that was signed was a disaster. it was not doing what it was supposed to do, many bad things were taking place, and most importantly it was so short term that's with a very short number of years, they would be able to make nuclear weapons and that is unacceptable. never can iran have a nuclear weapon. also included in this is we want the stoppage immediately of the sponsoring of terrorism. they sponsor terrorism at a level that no one has ever seen before. and that has been over the last number of years. they have taken all of that money that was given to them by

the past administration. and much of it was given out to terrorist organizations. in fact, i remember when john kerry was asked a question about whether or not this money will be spent for terror. he actually said yes, or at least he was referring to some of it. but he said yes, it will be used for terror. if you can believe that. we are giving them money and saying yes, it can be used for terror. that was not a good answer. but that was the least of it, frankly. so america is a peace-loving nation. we do not see conflict with iran or any other country. i look forward to the day when sanctions can be finally lifted and he ran can become a peaceful, prosperous, and productive nation that can go quickly. it can be tomorrow or in years from now. so i look forward to discussing whatever i have to discuss with anybody that wants to speak. in the meantime, who knows what is going to happen? i can only tell you that we cannot ever let iran have a

nuclear weapon. and it won't happen. and secondly, and very importantly, we do not want money going out to sponsor terror. and they are the number one sponsor of terror anywhere in the world. so i will sign this order right now. and i want to thank our military. i want to thank all of the people that have been working with me over the last number of months on this. i think a lot of restraint has been shown by us. a lot of restraint, and that does not mean that we will show it in the future. but i felt that we wanted to give this a chance. give it a good chance. because i think that he ran potentially has a phenomenal future. i say that about north korea too. i've said it about north korea. north korea has a phenomenal future. and i think he ran also has a phenomenal future. and i would like to see a lot of them get to work on that great future. so i will sign this now.

and i appreciate you all being here. thank you. okay. okay, thank you very much, everybody. >> reporter: is your goal to negotiate a new deal with iran? >> president trump: we would love to be able to, and frankly they might as well do it soon.

but obviously the people of iran are great people. i know many of them, and i lived in new york. i have been there very much the last two and a half years, but i know many iranians living in new york and they are fantastic people. i've many friends that are uranian. it is just very sad what is happening to that country. it was not ratified by congress. as you know, it was not properly done. it was incorrectly done. but we will get it properly done. so we will see what happens. i hope that it is going to be for the good. but the people in iran are great people. and all of the people i know so many in new york as a great people. anything else? >> reporter: just to be clear is this the u.s. response to the uranian's shooting down the drone? >> president trump: you can put that into it, but it was something that was going to happen anyway.

>> reporter: -- what is your message for the supreme leader and do you want to meet with him one-on-one? >> president trump: my only message is to have a great country and quickly, very quickly. and i think that they should do that right as they are going along this destructive path pretty destructive for everybod everybody. destructive for everybody. we can't let them have a nuclear weapon. he says he does not want to nuclear weapons. that's a great thing to say. but a lot of things have been set over the years and it turns out to be not so. but he said very openly and plainly for everyone to hear that he does not want to have nuclear weapons. so if that is the case, we can do something very quickly. okay, thank you very much, everybody. >> harris: the president of the united states in the oval office signing new sanctions on iran and assets of the supreme leader are not spared from sanctions. sometimes we will hang out to

listen if there is more. >> president trump: very good relationship. >> harris: sometimes he may take a question, he did not there. there is more breaking news left to come. because the secretary steve mnuchin is set to speak from the white house briefing room. we were able to show you the president signing that executive order for new sanctions on iran and get some words from him. the use, i thought, were really standing out as headlines. one of the people in the room asked via the media, do you want to negotiate a new deal with iran, and the president said, we would love to. and they should do it soon, but if not, that's okay too. you said that there are two tipping points on this, dan. >> dan: what is telling is that after the iranians took our drone and blew it up, we took two measures. one was a cyber strike against iran's military site and batteries that the revolutionary

guard corps operated to strike the drone, and one was the distinction today. the president wants to keep the pressure on iran, but not risk escalating to the point where we would have a war on her hands that neither country once. >> harris: i know that out nomadic oil experts have been cut in half because of the sanctions before, and we have sn inflation spike about 50%, what difference will more sanctions make? it seems like they are already being throttled and it was news to me that the supreme leader's assets had been spared previously, he was not previously impacted by this? >> dan: i would like to dig into that story as well, but there is no question, we are forcing iran to make some hard choices about the money that they are spending on the proxy militia, the war effort in syria, -- killing innocent civilians, we are making it harder on iran and their leads in particular, and driving up the pressure inside iran where local people cannot afford basic

household items because their economy is in free fall. >> harris: kennedy, before we went to the president, dan brought up the bipartisan notion that senator schumer never agreed that the deal with iran was a good idea. i want to stay back in the day. >> kennedy: i live next door to a synagogue, and when the president, president obama announced the iran deal, there were many synagogue goers who were very upset with president obama at the time. if you remember it, chuck schumer was also very vocal in the opposition to the deal. and the administration singled him out for criticism. but i think that now because you have seen how part of this might work and how it can easily fail that it is a good time for the europeans, the u.s., and the iranians to sit down and figure out a way to make this long-term and verifiable, so that you can go to the site that they have been completely opaque with in the past. they are not enrichment enough

to make the weapons pay >> harris: sometimes the negotiations can seem like a shell game. we do not necessarily know that the supreme leader had not been touched by previous sanctions. what we know now is that the world knows. okay, we have treasury secretary steve mnuchin from inside the white house -- >> signing a new executive order authorizing even more expanded sanctions against iran. so now along with our existing sanctions authorities, we have additional sanctions to go after the supreme leader's office. and lock up literally billions of dollars more of assets. along with that action today, we are also announcing specific actions targeting those responsible for recent activities. i think, as you know previously, we have sanctions for his behavior, along with that today,

i am going to announce three of his other senior leaders the responsible iranian regime threatening to close the strait of -- the commander of the air force and responsible for downing the u.s. unmanned aircraft and international airspace, as long as pack for, responsible for the ground forces. along with those, we are also designating five naval districts leaders. the sanctions are all very important for recent activities. the president has also designated and instructed me that we will be designating later this week. so with that, i am happy to take

a few questions. >> reporter: mr. secretary, the president indicated last week that he believes that the shootdown of the drone may have been a mistake by local commanders on the ground. keeping together what you have been asked today, it seems to indicate that maybe this was not a mistake it was an intentional act of that was known -- >> i would not read anything into that. the executive order that the president signed was in the works previously. these actions are people who have either made threats or specific things. and again, i don't think that you should interpret this. other than we are designating people who we believe were responsible for the chain of command whether they knew it or not. >> reporter: thank you so much for doing this. what is your response to the critics who say that the sanctions are more substantive and they want to bring around to the negotiating table, because iran says that they are not coming back to the negotiating table. speak of the president was very

clear, if they want to come back to the negotiating table, he is ready, if not, they won't. for people who say that this is symbolic, that is not the case at all. we have locked up tens and tens of billions of dollars, these sanctions will come along with additional entities where people are hiding money, so that the sanctions are highly effective. >> reporter: the past sanctions -- the attack on the oil and the drones, what makes you think that they have been sanctioned? >> there is no question, the sanctions have been affected going to other people. and i can only presume, i'm not going to presume why they are doing things, but these are highly, highly effective on locking up the iranian economy. and as the president said, we look forward to a time and releasing sanctions if they are willing to negotiate. >> reporter: when you talk about sanctions of a supreme

leader, that is as high as you can go inside iran. can you give us the thinking as to why the administration wanted to bring it up to that level? >> the president wanted to clear maximum pressure on the sanctions. that is the strategy. it is not just him, it is the leader's office that encompasses a whole range of activity. >> reporter: thank you, have you done the intelligence research to figure out what assets any of these individuals have in the united states or in the global financial system? do any of these people have money outside of iran? >> whenever we do sanctions we do intelligence. i cannot comment on any of the specific intelligence, but i would say that we follow the money and it is highly effective. >> reporter: is the military option or reprisal still on the table? >> i cannot comment on that. i will leave that to the president. >> reporter: have you consulted with america's allies regarding the sanctions, and is there a buy in?

will they also be imposing sanctions similar? >> i have not consulted on the specific sanctions. the answer is in general i have had many, many conversations with all of the allies. i was in japan ten days ago meeting with the finance administrator and discuss the sanctions program. i will be going to the g20 with the president. this will continue to be a topic of discussion. >> reporter: mr. secretary, back to me. >> i give it to you. >> reporter: you said this is in response to recent events, is that the shooting down of the drone nor the attack on the 6-tinkers or both? >> what i said, some of these were in the works, summer these in addition, all of the above. >> reporter: the president came close to military action, now you're coming back with sanctions, hope will do direct response speed -- >> i'm not going to identify which ones are which. i have said, some of this was in the works, some of this as a

result of recent activities. >> reporter: how did the sanctions relate to president trump's deal of the century? what is happening coming up in bahrain? >> i look forward, i am leaving for bahrain in about an hour, i look forward to our discussion. we will be rolling out the economic plan which will be a great opportunity is for the people of palestine. we have a terrific group they are of finance administrators. business leaders all over the world. we have about 350 people going, so i look forward to it. >> reporter: following up with another question, you talked about the sanctions being effective and in terms of flipping it on the economy, will there be others that have an effect on iran? >> let me commented that our issue is not with the people of iran, i just want to be very clear. we are not looking at creating issues for the people of iran. having said that, we are keeping

sanctions with bad behavior, and there is no question that locking the money up worked last time and no question that locking the money up works now. >> harris: the u.s. secretary of the treasury steve mnuchin giving some details on the sanctions that the president has signed an executive order. we have dan hoffman, formerly of the cia, and this is great timing to having on the couch. so you have heard among all of the people who were going to be feeling the sanctions, the iranian major general, why him? why specifically the islamic revolutionary guard. you said that there is a connection with the economy. a >> dan: there is, they own and profit from the economy and shot down the drones, they are the one who support the proxy militias, the ones that iran

uses. a whole assortment of them in iraq that go -- >> kennedy: don't forget syria syria. >> harris: i know from reading, they have already been feeling a lot of the sanctions. this just really puts the screws to it all. >> dan: it does, they have lost a lot of fighters in syria and now they are losing a lot of money that would go to support them. and the fighters who were in there, they are supposed to support the families, but the money is not there for that either. >> harris: you know it is interesting is that i look for the connection points with the iranian people, and if you are identifying with evidence who the bad actors are, you're basically saying these are the people who are causing you pain. it is not us, we are reacting. >> dan: they have a history of protesting in the square going back a decade ago, the green movement was vocal and on the street. and it is clear to the iranian people that they can turn the wrath towards the corrupt leaders and away from us. we are ready for negotiations. we are ready to help you. and their corrupt leaders are not allowing that to happen.

>> harris: let's bring in john roberts for more on all of this. >> melissa, good afternoon to you, it was quite an extraordinary event, the first time we have had a briefing in well over 100 days. and it was the secretary of the treasury coming out today to announce these new sanctions against iran targeted at the supreme leader, the ayatollah human knee and his office, and it really is going for the top s time as opposed to intermediaries or a smaller fish, you go right to the top, the president thinks that he can probably put extra pressure on iran to try to bring them to the table. interesting the way that they targeted a number of military leaders as well, the suggestion i thought was that while the president said that last week's downing of the drone could have been an accident carried out by a rogue commander, it would suggest that you are targeting everybody from the supreme leader all the way down. and that may be the takedown was

some coordinated action. the secretary of the treasury said, don't read it that way. these people were going to be targeted for other acts as well. he said some of this was artie in the works, some of it was response to what happen last week. what we see in addition to the downing of the drone is targeting many of these foreign flagged oil tankers with these mines blowing holes in the sideline. if this would've happened back in the 1980s, oil would probably be upwards of 200 or $300 a barrel, but they do seem to have cooler heads prevailing this time. of the president saying that he wants to talk to whoever he needs to talk to about whatever they need to talk about at any time. but so far iran is dismissing the idea of any talks with the president to the united states saying that until the united states changes its behavior, there will be no talks, but it is the united states that is saying that it is iran that needs to change the behavior and not just with its pursuit what the white house believes is nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles,

but instability and acts of terror throughout to the middle east and beyond. so here we have a fundamental difference of opinion. iran saying it is the united states not behaving properly, but to the united states clearly on the side of the facts when it comes to the enrichment production, the production of ballistic missiles as well as the support for other terrorists and the hootie rebels in yemen, and other terrorist entities. >> harris: john, your question was great, because it led to my mind first, also the question about how much money are we talking about here, can you identify the assets? steve mnuchin stayed away from the specifics. but he said we follow the money and it is highly affected, he has been good at that his whole career, john roberts, thank you for that. i know that you will have more as the new warrants. want to bring it back to you, jack keane was on the network earlier today, and he said thats

built up street cried with the allies in the region by virtue of looking at attacking and then pulling back and instead layering on more sanctions, do you agree with that that maybe he has opened up a way to team up better with the allies in the region against iran or no? >> dan: i do agree. the president showed some restraint, hopefully we will encourage the european allies in particular to work with us and understand our point of view, that that was a flawed deal, and we need to fix it. we also need their help in escorting some of the tankers in the persian gulf. and there are two things that i am looking for. the iranians on may 8th were going to take it to record levels if they did not receive sanctions relief. we have done the opposite. what will they do in early july? and do they launch any further attacks on whether it is against non-u.s. ships, if they were to

go so far as to target u.s. servicemen and women that would drive us to a kinetic response, but that's what i am looking forward to you in the next few days. >> harris: those are big things, let's look forward to none of them happening. senator bernie sanders announcing what he calls a revolutionary proposal to cancel all $1.6 trillion in student loan debt, so how would we actually pay for that? and how will that idea fly at the first democratic presidential debate? we will debate next. ♪ (singsong) budget meeting! sweet. if you compare last quarter to this quarter... various: mmm. it's no wonder everything seems a little better with the creamy taste of philly, made with fresh milk and real cream.

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>> harris: senator bernie sanders announcing the revolutionary plan to completely eliminate the u.s. student loan debt, escalating in policy battle just two days before the first democratic presidential debate. senator sanders saying his plan would wipe out the $1.6 trillion of debt held by 45 million americans, and it will be fully paid for by a tax on

wall street. here is part of his announcement a short time ago. >> it is simply not acceptable that our younger generation through no fault of their own will have a lower standard of living than their parents. that is why this proposal completely eliminate student debt in this country and ends the absurdity of sentencing an entire generation, the millennial generation to a lifetime of debt for the crime of doing the right thing. >> melissa: but critics are skeptical of the plan and its potential impact on the economy appeared here is former education secretary bill bennett this morning. >> by talking about wall street, let's remember who they are really talking about. they are talking about people who invest money in iras. they are talking about people that save money, they are talking about employers. this will come out of our hide. this is not free. it comes out of the consumer and

the citizens hide. it is regressive and a bad idea. and president trump should be able to shoot this one down pretty easily. >> melissa: senator sanders plan with senator elizabeth warren, she has proposed a plan to forgive $640 billion in student loan debt. this is just one policy proposal from 2020 democratic hopefuls expected to be fiercely argued at this week's debate. jessica, i will start with the a pain in my mind, he is targeting the wrong villain here by saying that wall street needs to pay for it, it is the universities. they are the ones that are selling degrees that are not worth what they are selling them for by virtue of the fact that people can't pay them back. and they set themselves up as nonprofit, you go to campus and use the wood teachers are making, and then they say that that they are not making a profit. they continue to raise the tuition. it makes the colleges and universities pay for this right off that bernie sanders once instead of taxpayers. >> jessica: that is an interesting element to the

debate, but only a few days out from the debate, it does not really matter now. everybody is trying to outdo each other. elizabeth warren has really been gaining speaking dominic's theme. snapping bernie sanders voters, she probably would've had a good majority of the millennials that were die-hard bernie supporters. and you are seeing those at the rate, him throwing up a bunch of hail mary's. he said my plans did not go far enough. if i will go in the furthest left lane that we will see on any debate, and he is not with elizabeth warren. he has to go after joe biden. and do things like this. in terms of the tax on wall street, that's what people are talking about. a majority of democrats certainly think that the top 1 percent don't pay their fair share. there is a demon and station of those -- >> melissa: that is not who would be paying this, kennedy, when you do the tax on transactions, that's policeman, fireman, everybody with a pension fund. every teacher. it is not, there is no way that the banks are absorbing that. they are passing it right on to

anyone who has a 401(k), anyone with a retirement program. anyone who buys stuff. >> kennedy: we never talk about that when we talk about wall street and the success. is there a couple of big issues here? one is that there is too much administration and not enough teachers. administration costs money, no incentive for universities to cut down the administration or the money that they funnel they are. because that is free money coming in from the federal government, because they do not really have to be paid back the way traditional government loans are. and then you have elizabeth warren who is actually very smart here, because you are absolutely right about that, she has taken the survey and realize the mistakes that bernie sanders has made and the success that he has had. and she has gone where the success has been a bit more specific in his proposal. of the problem with bernie sanders plan is this benefits wealthy people. the top 40% of income -- get the benefit of free college, and over their lifetime will make

more money when you have a college degree, studies show that you make $1 million more -- >> melissa: why are we in debt if that is the case? >> kennedy: because some people go to college and don't finish, and they are hosed because they do not have the benefit, but they have two or three years of student loan deb debt. >> harris: i wrote down what you said, i want to hear you say it again. too much of administration, not enough teachers. >> kennedy: that is not just higher education coming to see that in secondary education as well. but you are not really tackling the cause here. they are kind of touching on the symptoms, they are not going to have enough tax revenue coming end of i were someone in a medicaid state like maine or alaska, i would think, why am i footing the bill for future wealthy people when i can't even get health care in my state? so you have to choose the tax base that is not going to deliver what it promises, you have only got a couple of buckets to put that money into.

>> harris: and the government took student loans away from the banks, so now they want the banks to pay for this, interesting stuff. we will get you on the next one. south bend mayor and presidential candidate pete buttigieg facing an emotional and sometimes angry crowd at a town hall in his hometown. he is getting a lot of backlash for his handling of a racially charged police shooting, whether this could have a real impact on his 2020 bid. ♪ drive safely.. . with drivewise. it lets you know when you go too fast... ...and brake too hard. with feedback to help you drive safer. giving you the power to actually lower your cost. unfortunately, it can't do anything about that. now that you know the truth... are you in good hands? at red lobster.

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♪ >> harris: 2020 democratic competitor competitor buttigieg -- after a deadly shooting of a black man by a white police officer. here are some of that emotional event. watch. >> there are ways to assess the way people -- do you understand? at the people that are racist

off the street! reorganize your department. >> we are going to allow him to speak if everyone can just calm down. >> i would love to be able to finish my reply, if that is oka okay? >> harris: it was hot inside and out, there was a group outside too. mayor buttigieg is calling for an independent investigation into the shooting. jessica, i will come to you on this, because we are looking at a situation now, where some of pete buttigieg's challenges in the minority communities did not just our because the cameras are rolling on the situation. >> jessica: it has been a few years, if you are paying attention to the discussions, you would have known that. you can look at the current polling to know that that is an issue, 0% amongst african-americans in south carolina. pete buttigieg has a problem, he made it one of his pledges to increase minority representation on the police force, it was 10% when he got there, now down to

5% rate he was absolutely right to go back home to hold this town hall. >> harris: rather than going to the fish fry in south carolina? >> jessica: where a majority of the candidates were, and an incredibly important event not just for south carolina but democrats across the country. that is his job first and foremost command i saw that he did make that clear, you can see how invested he is in south bend, but these are real complications for his campaign. he is the mayor of a state with a couple of hundred thousand people. he is trying to run a country with 320 million who are plenty diverse. and this will be a really big problem. >> harris: kennedy what you think of how he has handled this so far? >> kennedy: he will look forward redemption at the debate. he has to have some good lines and if if you integrate himseld introduced himself to the country, because although he has been on a few select left-leaning cable news programs, he definitely has the

opportunity to introduce himself. and he has to do that while still, they all have to go after joe biden at this point. any mayor who has tried to oversee the aftermath of one of these police shootings knows that it is incredibly complex. because you have a lot of long-term stuff to deal with including balancing out your police force. but in the short term, you have to let people know that you care about them, you hear exactly what they are saying, and you are going to make things better going forward. it is much more difficult actually being an executive. and senators going, i choose to resist and give away money i don't have with my magic wand. they all say that. that is the subtext. >> harris: when you talk law enforcement, that is one issue that mayor pete will have to deal with at home, but when you see some of the things shouted to him outside that town hall with other people outside saying, you want to the black vote, you will not get it.

and accusing him of firing the first black police chief in that town, it is not an accusation, it is true. >> dan: this is what i have noticed and i have been in a lot of places where the situation was tense and a great leader takes control, what i saw was someone sitting behind a table with a microphone almost robotic and policy wonk ash, that's not what the situation demanded paid he did not connect with the people. that's what a politician ultimately is supposed to do. it says more about the larger issue of him as a politician. that is my concern as a citizen. >> harris: the debate, as kennedy said, that's where we will see him sign or not. >> jessica: he did really shine, they did a fox news town hall. >> harris: did they look at this issue? >> jessica: was not brought up. >> harris: this is the second term since 2012. we will move on. coming up, former vice president joe biden still under fire for some fellow democrats over controversial comments working with segregation's of senators.

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knowledgeable of. i don't think the vice president should need this lesson, but this was a time for him to be healing and helpful, especially the time that he is looking to bring this party together and lead us. and what is the most important election of our lifetime. i was disappointed. i have said my piece. speak to that was cory booker keeping the spotlight on joe biden. he is still facing intense criticism after he spoke about working with segregation senators back in the 'have a niece ahead of the first democratic events this week. some candidates including senators bernie sanders and kamala harris and kirsten gillibrand say that biden showed at the very least apologize to the american people. but georgia congressman and prominent civil rights figure john lewis came to his defense over the weekend. >> i don't think the remarks are insensitive, during the height of the civil rights movement, we worked with people and got to

know people. there were members of the clan. people who opposed them. and people who beat us, arrested us, and jailed us. we never gave up on our fellow human beings. and i would not give up on any human being. >> melissa: and they are not giving up on attacking joe biden. >> dan: that is at the heart of this. and i can say from my background, serving in the government for several years, they are so much partisanship and what we would like to see as both parties reaching across the aisle. what if there were those of whom the democrats do not share in common, but they do agree with climate change. maybe they should work with people on that for example. i don't think that we will solve our problems we have not dealt with immigration reform since 1986. so, it is all about finding some shaded space in the political venn diagram to get stuff done. we elect the leaders to do that.

and solve our nation's problems. not because more partisan friction. it makes it impossible. >> melissa: that reminds me of something that you said so long ago. the only way that anything will get done from now on is by coalition. you have to go out and find different groups, because there is only enough people out there to stop another one. if you want to get something done, you have to build from all different to -- >> kennedy: that's why you saw ted cruz and aoc come together, same with matt gaetz and certain democrats. and that's exactly what you have to do. you look at what is happening now, and you say to yourself, it is almost 2020. so joe biden can't make these unforced errors, because he is a front runner. he is not nipping at anyone's heels, and if you open up a chasm like this, you never know what demons are going to fly out and bleed you dry. >> melissa: jessica, there are a lot of people and buzz in d.c. that joe biden is not the nominee.

do you take that seriously? >> jessica: he did planned parenthood conference, he did better than he did at the fish fry. >> kennedy: how did he do at the fish fry? >> jessica: i thought that there were candidates who did better than he did at the fish fry, that is not the issue. the american public who are voting in democratic primaries. >> kennedy: i am a nonaffiliated voter. >> jessica: you do you, kennedy, and i will do me. yes, it was an unfortunate error, because nobody asked him the question about democrat segregationists. but people who are getting a blowback our people are like cory booker. there was great reporting over the weekend where democrats were telling them, why are you shooting within the tent? >> kennedy: because they are trying to win. >> jessica: if the number one goal is beating donald trump, and everybody agrees with this, people looking at the election saying who is the person who can take him down? and the consensus is that is joe biden.

he also said, i did not agree with these guys about anything. it's not like he said, fantastic, now you think about it, segregation was a fantastic idea and i really like that. it was a manipulation of what he said. i wish that he had not said it. >> kennedy: you don't have to manipulate to their record -- >> jessica: what is your joe biden problem? >> kennedy: i don't think that he is a racist, but i think that he has made some really foolish bedfellows, and he has crafted legislation that has tortured generations of people. and his poor excuses and explanations and nonapologies, it does not help anyone. and kamala harris and cory booker are absolutely right that the people that he is praising -- >> jessica: and john lewis with the kkk. >> melissa: we will be back in just a moment. ♪

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>> dan: thanks, i enjoyed it. >> melissa: we are back here at 12:00 eastern tomorrow, but now, here is harris. >> harris: then you still developing after the president just signed an executive order imposing hard-hitting new sanctions on iran. it is all in response to the downing of the u.s. drone last week. you are watching "outnumbered overtime," i am harris faulkner. the new sanctions targeting that top officials including the supreme leader and foreign minister. coming amid threats of iran to shoot down additional u.s. drones raising concerns about military confrontation. the president insisting the u.s. does not want a conflict, but says we cannot ever let iran have a nuclear weapon. speak of the potential to have a great country and quickly, very quickly, and i think that they should do that rather than going along with this very destructive path, destructi for everybody. destructive for everybody. and we can't let them have a nuclear weapon prayed he says that he