dinner with their kids, and living a normal life peacefully with their neighbors. get out there. >> best way to fight back against "big brother". we are outi'm so sorry. that was such a great show. thanks for joining us. please come back next sunday when the next revolution will be televised. hello america, i'm mark live in. this is a special edition of life, liberty and levin. we will's have a special guest in a few moments from lucas oil. capitalist versus socialism. liberty versus tierney. that's the subject of this program. it's not discussed enough. the report just came out from the congressional budget office that projects unprecedented 144% of gdp toward the debt by 2049. this is a big deal.

federal debt held by the public is on track to hit this level and the report found that if congress works to wipe out scheduled spending and tax changes under current law which includes sharp spending drops that to go in effect in 2020 and the expiration of income tax cuts scheduled for 2026, the debt would rise to 219% of the gdp. we are in a serious problem here. i have a question, all you parents and grandparents out there, do you care about your kids and grandkids? this is particularly aimed at the democratic socialists, they like to call themselves, do you care about your kids and grandkids? most of us would give our lives for our kids and grandkids. were protected of them. we want the very best for them and yet we are destroying their society. we are destroying their economy. because that's the end result. in a decade or two if this continues. we heard it before, the numbers are just not working

right now. the numbers aren't working. we have a crushing debt with the fiscal operating debt of $22 trillion. it produces over $18000 of goods and services every year. so-called entitlements, over $250 trillion. the mind can't even be wrapped around that. it's incredible. and then we have proposals being made by democrats running for president of the united states. not a single proposal on actually cutting the debt, but in ballooning the debt, at least five new entitlements proposed by this group and let's go some of them quickly. universal childcare. we have no idea that's going to cost. they want to eliminate the student debt which is outrageous. $1.6trillion. people accumulate the debt and

the rest of us have to pay for it. the governments going to pick it up? two thirds of the american people never went to college. two thirds of the american people are going to subsidize people who went to college? who, in the most cases are wealthier than those who are subsidizing them? great idea by the democrats. precollege? free college for everybody? what does that mean. tuition is already through the roof. these college campuses can't stop building their empires into themselves, there's never investigation into why this is because this is the indoctrination of the left. they want more kids go through there. the spending is already out of control in these universities and colleges. by the way, which squashes free speech among other things but precollege, family leave, did we have children before family leave, do we know how to raise children before family leave?

do we really need the government subsidizing parents who have children? whatever happened to responsibility. government run healthcare. they've come up with a lot of cute names like medicare for all. the problem is it eliminates medicare. it illuminates all private healthcare. we are all going to live under the veterans administration. we all have a right to healthcare, really? asked the vets when they go to the veterans administration, do they get to say i need this medicine i need this medicine and i need to be there tomorrow? no. what does that mean? oh right to healthcare? it's an absurdity. no private insurance, no medicare including illegal aliens, according to bernie sanders. now think about that. how the hell are we gonna control cost in healthcare. guaranteed minimum income. that was a great job of cory booker and others. you have a baby bond. cradle-to-grave. guaranteed minimum income, why would anyone work with all these benefits. agree new deal, this is

imported from germany. it used to be called the de- growth movement, the d industrial movement aimed at making america poor. it's been embraced now by every single candidate in one form or another running for the democratic nomination, and climate change. jake tapper when after the vice president last week about it. chuck todd has announced with his fiat, we will not have man-made climate deniers on our network ever again. two guys but know nothing about climate. we have physicist, meteorologist, climatologist with phd's up the wild zoo who question man-made climate change or the impact man can have on the climate. they're not allowed anymore on nbc and tapper says the science has decided. i don't know how they know that but i do know this, it will kill the economy. it will kill the economy. massive federal infrastructure spending. you drive around washington d.c., they never stop

building. without the metro that goes all the way out, never works but it goes all the way out, two roads into for roads, overpasses underpasses all kinds of stuff going on. it never ends. organ add $2 trillion and how much of that will flow to the hands of local and state governments for different purposes, but where is this money coming from. we have a proposal from kamala harris, federal subsidies for local teacher salaries. say what? oh yes, federal subsidies for local teacher salaries and they propose expanding social security's. there's no money by the way because the federal government stole it already. they say eight years is all we have under social security. the left wants to expand a program that is sinking rather than trying to figure out how to protect it from the people who have paid into it. out of these proposals, and

i've only just gotten started, there's five new entitlements. universal childcare, parental or family leave, government run healthcare, guaranteed minimum income, federal subsidies for local teacher salary. where is this money coming from? taken from the rich, tax the rich. ladies and gentlemen, there aren't enough rich, there's not enough wealth in the entire universe to paper all of this. in the proposed costs are a joke because they don't know what it's going to be ten years from now any more than they know what the climate and the weather is going to be ten years from now. they are always low. this is a destructive program. and not only will fundamentally transform america, it will fundamentally destroy our economic system. what happens when you destroy an economic system? government gets stronger and stronger and more and more abusive which is why virtually every one of these democrats reject the limitations placed on them and their agenda and the progressive ideology by

your constitution. now, i'm not done. taxes, we have proposals for a wealth tax. unconstitutional but don't worry that will go the way of the electoral college. proposals for 79% marginal tax. award tax, wall street investment tax, higher corporate income taxes, transaction taxes, every kind of tax you can think of organ attacks our way into wealth wealth in equity. they have plans to do nothing but attack our society. you protect these people with unaccountable massive bureaucracy pushing people around. we never talk about liberty or individualism anymore or sir success or tree free-market capitalism. look around you. look at all the wealth we

have. you go to a grocery store, there's everything you want in a grocery store. look around your home. look what we have. we don't appreciate what we have. we do, but they don't. let me remind you, this agenda well, this agenda is quite stalinist thick. what do you mean? all these left-wing sites are going to dip i dismiss you. dismiss me as you will, but pay attention fox. listen to this. chapter ten of 1936 constitution, stalin's constitution for the soviet union, this is where the democrats get their policy ideas. article 118, citizens of the ussr have the right to work. that is are guaranteed the right to employment and payment for their work in accordance with this quantity. they have the right to rest and leisure. the institution of annual vacations with full paperworkers and employees in the provision of a wide

network rest homes and clubs for the econom accommodation of the working people. article 120, citizens of the ussr have the right to maintenance and old age and also in case of sickness or loss of capacity to work. this right is insured by the extensive development of social insurance of workers and employees at state expense. free medical service for the working people and the provision of a wide network of health resorts for the use of the working people.

i could go on. why is it that these democrats embrace not the american dream but the soviet dream. oh yes, it's true. why is it that we don't have serious discussion about what they're proposing and how they're going to be paid for. enough of this fortune cookie stuff. we can pull a sentence out of a cookie and you just read it. tax the rich, bad answers not good enough. redistribute wealth, bad answers not good enough. pay gap, that's not good enough. we need facts, we need information. your children, my grandchildren, generations yet born, that's what this is all about. these proposals coming from the left, coming from the democrats, part of this progressive ideology are anti- american. that's what i said. their anti- american. capitalism, nobody talks about capitalism anymore. the industrial revolution, the biggest middle-class on the face of the earth, we have clean water, it comes right into our homes. you turn the faucet on, there it is. how did that happen?

electricity with the flip of a switch. how did that happen. we have washing machines, dishwashers, toasters, we have heat, we have air conditioning, and don't give me that most americans don't get these things. almost all americans have access to these things. almost all americans have access to these things. the average american in this country lives better, in more luxury than kings and queens 200 years ago. as i said earlier, walk into your local grocery store. look at the shelves, look at the 14 different kinds of bread with five different grains. go to the other aisle. look at the different kinds of meat you have, 80% fat, 85% fat, 96% fat, all different cuts. look at the different poultry, the different fish spread all over the country, all over the world. the different wine, i could go on and on. why would we destroy such a society. it's time to take on the left, time to take on the democrat leadership, it's time to take on socialism with americanism

and i have a special guest tonight who can help us do that, farce lucas of lucas oil. he started with nothing and he's a successful man who contributes to this society far more than bernie sanders or elizabeth warren, but first, don't forget, most weeknights you can watch levin tv. just give us a call at 844 levintv. 844 levintv and join us, we have a wonderful community over there. or go to blaze tv.com/mark. one other thing. the hottest book in america emma folks, this is very, very important, we stand for freedom of the press, the freedom of the press, the modern mass media ♪

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haven't created wealth. most of them have been politicians at some point in their life. i think it's important for the audience, particularly younger people in the audience to see somebody in flesh and blood, and i want to ask you a few questions from someone who's made it on his own. were you born rich? tell me about your background a little bit steven now. when i was born, we were very poor people. this is right not too far after the depression so everybody was poor and everybody was getting by. everybody was working. >> were you on the farm? >> yes. >> how many were there. >> i have three sisters after me. the event did you wind up going to college. >> no. >> how far did you go in high

school. >> got a real good high school education. i learned how to type and i learned how to write up perfect business letter which was a big help to me. >> sear this kid, on the farm, post depression, what happens next, you're interested in vehicles, trucks? what happens after that? >> when i was 12 years old i started working on this farm showing cattle and my dad lost his job there on the farm so he went back to drinking. >> your dad was a drinker. >> yes, he had a serious tricking problem. >> was he abusive. >> no, just the fact that he would be gone and we couldn't take care of ourselves. >> see leave home. >> i left home, i have an opportunity to go to southern indiana and work on a farm down there for the summer and i was really good at it, i was

14 at the time. >> how did you get into trucking. >> i got into trucking, i kind of always wanted to be a truck driver. i was always fascinated with trucks. we hauled cattle with the two tongue truck, i got out of school and was married, i married very young, i didn't want to work in a factory all my life. at the time that's what people did. you got a job and that was your job for the rest your life. that's what you were going to do or become and i didn't want to do that. but i ended up working in a factory job in the night shift and i could do other work during the day, which i did, my landlord have a lot of stuff to do. i could work for him all day long and get five hours of sleep and i knew i was in a do that forever either so i started saving up this money to buy me a truck. when i was 21 i bought my

first time i went out on the road. we went all over the country and i was getting home a day or two every five weeks. i thought i'll do this for a couple years, that was my plan going into it. i'll do this for a couple years, it's hard for my family, hard for me, but i can do it and have enough money to buy me a gas station or some kind of business where i can go from there. unfortunately my first wife, when i left and the money started coming in, she had a blow it. she lost all the money and then had me weigh in debt. >> so you got from one truck and i guess you kept work until you got another truck. >> till i got another truck so after i got rid of her, took me about three years to get caught up financially. >> how many trucks did you

wind up with. >> the most i had was 14. >> 14. >> 14 working trucks and i was brokering other loads for others. it's really hard work and you're doing it all time and weekends. we were in indiana and the trucks were passing through so i didn't have time to work on very good. i told my wife. [inaudible] she had been to the east coast with me and said were never gonna go back there. i knew someone out in california so we partnered. >> so that became your headquarters out on the west coast. coast. >> yesunpredictable crohn's symptoms following you?

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there has not been a claim of responsibility yet. stay with fox news channel for more on this developing story. i'm marianne rafferty. >> let me ask you a question. how did you get from trucks to lucas oil. >> we were coming across the desert all the time, it was hot and it was really hard on the trucks. hard on the motors, hard on the gearboxes, hard on the drivers too. i started looking around at what we could do and i found some stuff that was on the market that was better than often so i kept looking for more and i found a guy who, if

you're leaving town and how to get rid of your oil they would come and take it away, you'd buy it or -- they would buy it or you would pay them to take it away. at the time i made it to about as good as i thought i could get. one day i said i'm looking for something else and he said i got down here just what you want. he showed me this old rusty barrel and i read some writing on it and i said i didn't know this was even made yet. he took the lid off of it and i said holy cow, this is it, this is what i'm looking for. >> this is additive to oil. >> is not an additive, i made an additive, but it was for other uses and i don't want to tell anybody what those uses

were. i took the phone and i made up some batches that after all these years are pre-much the same and we sent the trucks back out. they went from four and a half or 5 miles per hour gallon up to 5 miles per hour gallon and the smoke went away that it was burning so we didn't have any atmosphere problems at all which was not a problem at that time anyhow, but then the engines quit burning oil in the gearboxes cool down so i fixed all my problems right there with those two products. >> and you. he much developed this yourself. >> i did. >> without any real background. >> none. >> no expertise, you just use common sense, experience and you kept trying.

>> and eventually i hired people who knew things i didn't know so i could expand on out into stuff for automatic transmission or your power steering. we have saved the world billions and billions of dollars. >> because there's less oil being used and less pollutants and problems. >> the average person you got a transmission that starts weekend, that's of four or $5000 problem. but if you go to an auto parts store and buy something for 12 or $15 and put it in there and it fixes it, you start doing that when it's new and you never have a problem to start with. that's well done. there's lots of race cars, votes, guns, a lot of things. >> to lucas oil, the additive is everywhere. >> yes. he much anywhere there's oil. >> yes were in four foreign countries to. >> to produce oil to.

>> we do not produce oil. we move oil, we have a railroad track in southern indiana, we still have a plantain california and headquarters are there. >> and you employ several hundred people. >> yes. >> see, this farm, really your father leaves, there's four of you, you leave home, you start with absolutely nothing and then you develop this additive which is ubiquitous, it's everywhere and now you're a man of means. you inherited nothing, you took advantage of our capitalist system, back then it wasn't so heavily regulated where he couldn't move, you are able to act and now this is one of the most regulated areas by the bureaucracy by the federal government and state.

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first lucas, your trucking business really took off after regulations were cut. >> i'll tell you little story, they were something that were developed back during the early parts of the depression. the federal government came in and said okay, you guys are fighting each other to the

point where nobody was making any money. they regulated everything and told everybody you have the right to haul this product to this place and that's kind of what was, regulations like that. this was getting way out of control from the big guys that were buying up and some of the small guys were just stuck with having to haul for those guys, and it wasn't working too good. then there is people like myself, although i was hauling moving van stuff, nobody was moving back so there are plenty people out there, we could haul it for less money and get out there a lot better so i was hauling hot freight. >> what's hot freight.

>> that was something i did have a regulation to haul it but i was hauling any. >> now i get it. >> medicine is a regulation hit, i got a guy who knew all about how to do it, i had all these customers, i wrote up these letters and told these guys define it and i said take all the stuff and see if you can't get state authority. he said you can't get 48 state authority. nobody can do that. in today's i had state authority. >> me underscore this point. so they made it possible around 1980 for your trucks to go on every state in the country and you immediately saw an opportunity, you told this fellow you're talking

about you want to be able to transport in every state in the country and he executed that all the moving companies i was working for could go in all the states. once it was due regulated, it became worthless. >> seed and had to become part of a big moving company, little guys could do it too. so there's a lot more competition and a lot more convenience to the customer and the consumer, lot more choices. the reason i'm focused on this is because this is really when your trucking business took off, the government was holding you back to a point, and probably other people to. >> lots of people so by

removing this new deal regulation, this depression era regulation, changing with the times in 1980, you produce more, you create more and there's a lot more jobs and a lot more growth, another example, and that's why wanted to talk to you about you grew your businesses come you moved to other businesses you expanded into other businesses, and much of the time what slowed you down or what made it difficult was government, and much of the time which enabled you to expand was when the government got out of the way. >> right. >> now, let me ask you this, you're not just in oil anymore, now it looks like you've gone a little hollywood. what's that all about. >> it started out the way to advertise.

>> what is protect the harvest environmentalists who are trying to take control and do away with billions they want everybody to be billions, and that's what were fighting. >> so you're trying to protect basically ranchers, farmers, people that use nature. >> yes, everybody that uses nature and raising animals. >> and there's this big movement that's fighting that, apparently wants us all to eat lettuce which i pretty much can't stand, no offense, but do you see a combination here, that movement, the environmental movement talk about carbon dioxide, the cows create carbon dioxide, i sit here and scratch my head, that's gonna change the climate? i think the sun has more to do with it than cattle.

so you support, what's this organization called. >> protect the harvest. >> and you call it that, i assume so the public knows you like to eat, he liked to have food, beef, whatever it is, there's people out there making it more difficult to produce it at a decent cost, right? >> how's it going, this organization? are you making headway. >> yes, were making headway, we have a lot of facebook stuff. >> a lot on the internet going on. >> yes, there's some bad things going on right now, massachusetts, you might want to check in on that. >> what are they trying to do. >> well, they want to tell you that if you want to buy meat or sell meat or prepare meat, if you have meat in your restaurant or your store it must have been raised under

these certain conditions that are being put forth by the animal-rights organization. their radical rules and there's a $10000 fine for anybody who gets caught. it's like proposition 12 out in california. >> i don't know, were all gonna move to montana. >> i guess so, there's some crazy stuff, but anyhow, it is happening, americans don't know about it because they can't believe that could happen - and is your group trying to draw attention to it. >> they are. >> we are

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first lucas, indiana, i take it you know a gentleman by the name mike pence. >> yes i do know him very well. you've known him a long time since he was a congressman. >> yes, i expect him a long time. >> how is he doing. >> i think he's great, i really do. >> he's a nice man. >> he's a nice man, very nice,

him and his wife are both very nice people. very religious. >> how was he as governor. >> he was a good governor. >> you've seen a lot of good governors come and go. >> yes, i've seen a lot of them come and go. for people who don't live in indiana, we view it as a fairly conservative state yet every now and then it will throw a curveball. >> it will. >> you have a mayor there, mayor pete they called him who is running in the democratic primary for president of united states. you know him very well. >> i do not know him very well. i've spoken to him, he wants to talk to me. >> president trump, you've met him once or twice. >> i met him once. >> do you like him. >> yes i do. >> do you like what he's doing. >> yes, that's what i like about him, what he's doing. >> you like the d regulation that sort of thing.

>> yes i do. >> people say i don't like the way he tweets and talks and i think to myself okay, but this is who he is and he is presenting himself openly, transparently to the american people, he's not one of these polished washington politicians and i think that's one of the reasons people like him. what you make of this movement , this green new deal movement. or finally energy independent. i remember as a little kid, opec and all the trillions of dollars that flowed into the middle east and so forth, and now we are a net exporter of oil and we have people who want to be president of the united states and now that were finally independent,

attacking fossil fuels, what would replace it. does anybody know. >> that's crazy to start with. we are selling fuel, we've were selling it, now cole might be a little nasty and that can be worked out one way or another, but. we are control of a lot of things in the world now. america is able to be in control and he's doing it. he's not being mean about it. he's got everybody's attention but he's not being mean in my opinion. >> in terms of oil and coal, shouldn't we be basking in

this? this is what fuels the engine of this massive economy. , bernie sanders at the new york city, they don't seem to have an alternative. >> i don't know how people can think like that and act like that, i don't want to offend anybody, trying to get socialis socialism, let me ask you this. >> how to these two worlds work together. isn't socialism, even in its weakest form about government controlling decision-making,

government controlling everything. >> what's interesting about this to me is, we get this obamacare in place and we were told it was going to do all these wonderful things, okay now were told no, that's pase but obamacare doesn't cover it but medicare for all which means medicare for no one because they're going to eliminate it and all private healthcare in order to run it through the veterans administration or the dmv, their programs almost never work and yet the answer to their programs is more government. we just haven't tried enough, we haven't spent enough, we haven't done enough, this is one of the reasons i wanted you on the program so people can understand here is a real living success story, a capitalist who came from nothing and produces something that we all need and all want and contributes to society as

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mark: let me ask you a question go going from the bottom up you couldn't have done this in a socialist society but only a capitalist society perk out a free market society perk but your story is not unique. your business is unique that this is america upper go so people tried to come into this country to do what you did

people still like to make money and create things and contribute to society and rather than be a burden on society so why do you think there is this appeal to the opposite of socialism? you cannot have done what you did in the socialist society. what is the appeal ? >> the best that i can figure out was a reasonably small population started by obama, the push to bring in people from outside the country to vote democrat. mark: what about colleges? >> free college, free medicine, free food, free everything. mark: then you have nothing. >> how do you pay for that? mark: why does anybody want to work?

you can get free whatever. that those people become so enormous even they cannot be successful. >> we have insurance for all of our employees. probably one of the best in the country taking care of our people with insurance. and obama care came aboard it skyhigh our very own doctor eventually had to go out of business because there was so much paperwork to do. then you pass it to the other doctors then it goes around. then you have all the paperwork that goes with it. that is crazy.

we need obama care completely gone. mark: i thank you are a perfect exampl continues,. >> thank you for watching. chris: president trump steps into north korea. and agrees to resume nuclear talks with kim jong-un. a historic hand site. and a promise of renewed negotiations paid. >> this is a very positive day in a very positive event. isaac is good for the world. >> while the u.s. and china agree to new talks to in trade war. >> we are going to work with china on where we left off to see if we can make a deal. >> what does it mean for the u.s. economy and national security. we will ask the president economic advisor larry