industrial average. >> bill: coincidence? irony, for sure. >> sandra: [laughs] i don't know! >> bill: have a great fourth of july. enjoy your family and friends. >> sandra: 's taste stay safe. enjoy it, everybody. "outnumbered" starts now. ♪ >> melissa: the excitement is growing, and so is the controversy. as we are now just over 24 hours away from president trump's salute to america celebration in washington, the fourth of july holiday. this is "outnumbered" and i'm melissa francis. here today, fox news contributor lisa boothe. >> lisa: wait, hold on. [laughter] >> melissa: fox news contributor jessica tarlov. hello, jessica! fox news contributor dr. nicole saphier, and joining us on the couch, jesse watters, cohost of "the five" and a host of "watters' world."

it looks like he's edging for trouble, which makes me nervous. >> jesse: i'm always edging for trouble. last time i were a shorts suit. remember that? i have long pants on today. you don't get to see the legs. i'm a big boy now, yeah. >> melissa: oh, lord. all right, buckle buckle up, everyone. >> jessica: and the nikes, which i appreciate. >> melissa: preparations underway for the salute to america celebration which takes place on the national mall tomorrow night. the event will feature a display of military tanks, a fireworks show, military plane flyovers, and a speech from the president himself. the national park service is reportedly diverting nearly $2.5 million in entrance and recreation fees in order to help cover the cost, but now washington, d.c., local officials raising objections over the logistics and the tone of the celebration. watch. >> he's going to have to pay for the tanks on them all.

just like the pentagon has to pay. he is politicizing fourth of july before he opens his mouth. >> melissa: that statement speaks volumes. the head of the u.s. park police pushing back on the event having a political purpose. watch this. >> we are welcoming folks to e national mall to celebrate our independence day. it's apolitical. we are law enforcement members that protect our visitors every single day. we don't see it as a political event, we see it as a celebration of our independence. >> melissa: jesse, i'm feeling incredibly brave so i will start with the first. [laughter] i said that statement speaks volumes. "he is politicizing it before he even opens his mouth." >> jesse: he can't hijack something you already own. the last time i checked, he's an american president. but the left falls into this trap all the time.

they did this with the kneeling over the national anthem, they are against whatever he does, and now they look unpatriotic. people don't understand this president. he adores the military, he's very patriotic, he relishes being the commander in chief, and easier into the pomp and the pageantry. so to complain about the price tag is funny, since the green new deal costs $100 trillion. i don't really see with the big deal is. it's a celebration of america. >> melissa: jesse, i imagine -- >> jessica: you mean the other jesse? [laughter] >> melissa: i will call you the same name this time just to make the comparison! for her to say he politicize it before he even opened his mouth, she's not even going to listen to his speech or look at the program? listen or watch before you decide that it's already politicized. >> jessica: i think what the congresswoman is referring to -- and we discussed this quite heatedly yesterday on the couch. >> melissa: that was fun, that's why we are doing it again! >> jessica: best day ever!

i went home and cried! no, i didn't actually. i went for a big lunch, though. [laughter] vip tickets for rnc members and donors, the dnc so far has not been allotted any tickets, which obviously shows there is a partisan bias to this. >> jesse: that's traditional. >> jessica: that there's a partisan bias? >> jesse: when there's usually a big silvers like this, the party in power hands out vip tickets to their people. >> jessica: oh, my god. okay, jesse watters has proven my point here. democratic presidents don't do this. >> jesse: jfk did at his inauguration. >> jessica: we are talking about the fourth of july, jesse. i know you are playing this game and you are very quick and witty and i get it. but we are talking about the fourth of july, not an inauguration. you can't politicize it. it's supposed to be a time for all americans to come out and celebrate our birth. the present speaking -- i don't know if anyone has ever heard them speak in a way that wasn't partisan. he will talk about how big his

win was, babel he will say " " lock her up!" >> melissa: let's see what happens. because we don't know. >> jessica: we need the world's biggest teleprompter to keep them on message. >> melissa: but that's my point, to say that he is politicizing it before he opens his mouth come your banking on it. >> jessica: >> jesse: so you wa? you want your people to go? >> lisa: as someone who has worked on political campaigns, every candidate and politician is going to go out and politicize the fourth of july in the sense that you will see them walking 4th of of july parades locally, with signs up saying "war and for president, harris for president." this is what politicians do. given that he's president of the united states, i don't want him to make a political tomorrow. i don't have a problem with him speaking. he's not the first president to make an appearance. harry truman did, also nixon did by video speech. >> jessica: but not over the lincoln memorial. >> lisa: i think we need more

patriotism. gallup found that it's at a record low, primarily because democrats are dragging it down. >> nicole: i have jesse to my left, and jesse to my right. here's the thing, i think there are two separate points. jesse is making one saying she doesn't think it should be political, so the rnc tickets, valid points. but on the other side, a lot of people are talking about the money being spent. there's always a lot of money being spent for the celebrations. they are making a big deal, this big pomp and circumstance about these flyovers. under the obama administration there is an average of 275 military flyovers, for the super bowl and all these sporting events. they just consider that all part of a training suicide. when people are lambasting these big numbers on these headlines right now, it really -- taxpayer dollars are not being increased to fund this big celebration. >> lisa: the jesse sandwich, though. [laughter] >> melissa: if they are saying

and a half million dollars, i think president trump could raise two and a half million dollars for this in about 5 minutes. would that solve the problem? or would there be something else that democrats were upset about? >> jessica: that would prove the issue with this. because he would go to his supporters and say, "give me the money to come out, it'll be really fantastic rally, you're going to love it and here maga." >> melissa: but you are saying he's going to say maga. >> jessica: i don't have a lot of money, but who wants to bet that he will say make america great again? >> lisa: $20. >> jessica: we will just go for a cocktail. [laughter] >> jessica: the pulsation of this -- i say it again, if a democrat was doing it, you, jese upset about this. >> jesse: if obama had tanks in the streets, what would i say? "he's trying to take over the

country!" [laughter] >> lisa: wait until tomorrow and at least wait to see what he says. give it a chance. >> melissa: if president obama did this, i wouldn't think it was just democrats. i would think he's the president and its america. if everybody looked at it a different way -- that's my point of view. that's all i'm saying. in the meantime , -- that was much more civil than yesterday, by the way. the trump reelection campaign may need a bigger. they raised $1.5 million in the second quarter of this year. the best, 105, sorry. besting president obama's hall for the scene. in his reelection campaign. and signaling of the president will have far more resources than he did in 2016. trump campaign manager telling fox news that the momentum right now for the president is like nothing history has ever seen, and that no democrat can match it.

>> i think you could be anybody paid the momentum we are seeing now -- 105 million raise, cash on hand. his success overseas, the momentum behind him is like nothing history has ever seen. were not even in the main portion of the campaign yet and we are raising large numbers. this president -- and the voice he has, the message he can control, though he can control what's happening in the media, no one can touch this. >> melissa: all superlatives apply! [laughter] he underscore the president's broad appeal among his base. campaign officials saying they received 725,000 individual donations online, with supporters giving an average of $48. rnc officials calling the small donor enthusiasm "unprecedented in republican politics." see? more superlatives. meantime, the eye-popping campaign i'll not going unnoticed by democrats. the manager of hillary clinton's 2019 white house run telling "the new york times" there was a very real risk for democrats the

trump is going to have the resources to define himself, and our nominee in the spring before we can. that's a risk, it should worry us. "what do you think about this? when you get those huge numbers, what does it mean you can do that you wouldn't have otherwise been able to? what does the incremental money mean? it seems like there's always a record. >> jessica: because we never get our campaign finance laws under control, so every election is a new it's a really big deal this is going on. robbie lucas correct. this is the danger with the primary field of 24, 25 candidates in it. because you are taking our time -- and we do need a robust primary, but people are spending millions of dollars going at each other instead of focusing on the general. that's the way the system works, and it has to because we need the candidates. the dems are raising a lot of money. pete buttigieg, you had them about screen there.

$24 million. the way that you donated money to democrat candidates, the site that it goes through, it saw a hundred million dollars come through just the last month alone. i want to highlight two real exciting races. mark kelly running for senate in arizona, $4.2 million. and jamie harrison, channel ching lindsey graham, $1.5 million. the most democrat has brought in in south carolina. president trump will be able to put out more ads, more micro-targeting, have more people on the ground were getting paid to do it. >> melissa: more tweeting? >> jessica: he does that for free. >> melissa: but in the democrat's defense, hillary clinton had all the money in the world. and she didn't have to spend a ton fighting off bernie sanders. we have learned that in the end money can't really buy elections. it can help a whole lot, but it's not always the best candidate that wins. >> lisa: we have to have the right message but president trump does and he did in 2016. the small dollar donations are critical because it shows that

grassroots support behind him, that people are energized about this campaign. again, in 2020. you pointed out, it should actually be more dangerous for democrats because he was able to win in 2016 spending about half the amount of money that hillary clinton did. you look at the primary, he spent $3 million versus jeb bush's $34 million and won first place in that. now he's going to have the resources to define himself, to define his compliments, and to get that across in a paid format. so it's his message versus the media distorting it. because we know the majority of the coverage of him, something like 90%, is negative. so now he gets to define his message and his own terms, unlike what he was able to do in 2016. >> melissa: nicole? 's because let's be honest, you're saying the money will make it so we can distort the message she wants to -- >> melissa: to defendant mondrian's terms. >> nicole: but we know the media will distort any message you tries to put forth. i know what you are saying, but i still fear that no matter how

much money he puts forth in this, his message does get distorted. >> lisa: there's two different things. earned media, which is when we are talking about it on tv, et cetera. and then your own message. >> melissa: jesse watters comes from a much more polite show where everybody waits their turn to talk. [laughter] have you seen him sitting here so nicely? >> jesse: i only interrupt just! >> jessica: that's actually true. >> jesse: he's got the incumbency, massive war chest, a hot economy. he has a great record. and the democrats want to give health insurance to illegal aliens. it's going to be a cakewalk for the president. especially in the rust belt, he will outspend them by leaps and bounds. right now we've never seen a more divergence between what the rnc has and the dnc. i think the dnc just has to take out a loan, and the fact that it's just an average of $48 per donation means these people can

donate more later. and new donors are coming up, so he's growing the base. and then he can run all these turnout models on this data, which brad parscale is just sitting in his laboratory cooking up all kinds of good stuff. >> melissa: the only thing is, democrats have basically all the rich people. they have everybody in california, everybody in new york. by california -- l.a. and san francisco, silicon valley, new york. all of the centers where all the money is concentrated. where the media is concentrated. they've got all that. >> jesse: traditionally the republicans have those high-$ donors. >> melissa: it used to be. not now. >> jesse: you are getting small donors, a grassroots movement, it scares the heck out of the democrats. >> melissa: nike is now defending its decision to poll in july 4th shoe featuring an early version of the american flag, saying it doesn't want to defend and detract from the holiday. but did the brand but due to political correctness? we will debate that.

plus, democratic commerce woman alexandria ocasio-cortez now says the u.s. is sliding towards fascism as she doubles down on her explosive concentration camp label for migrant detention facilities. details on reaction from the couch. oh, boy! that's ahead. >> there is abuse in these facilities. this is them on their best behavior? and they put them in rooms with no running water? and these women were being told by cbp officers to drink out of the toilet. ♪ i can't tell you who i am or what i witnessed,

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♪ >> lisa: acting homeland security chief kevin mcaleenan singh's agencies now investigating a report that some border agents posted offensive

messages and photos in the facebook group. saying anyone found to have violated the public's trust will be held accountable, and they do not represent the border agents or dhs. this amid new fallout over the house democrats' tour of border facilities. now congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez warning that the u.s. is flipping towards fascism after alleging abuse of migrants, which border officials denied. the new york democrat telling yahoo news, "are we heading toward fascism? yes, i don't think there's a question. if you take the time to study and look at the steps and see how government transforms under authoritarian regimes, and look at the political decisions and patterns of this president, the answer is yes." and ocasio-cortez on twitter doubling down on her claim that the detention centers are like concentration camps. this comes after previous comparison last month was rightly widely condemned, he couldn't buy to holocaust survivors. meantime, house judiciary committee jerry nadler

suggesting border facility officials should be jailed. watch this. >> this is inhuman. in fact, i think it's criminal. there ought to be criminal prosecutions of some of the agency heads and some of the people. this is clearly child abuse. it violates probably half a dozen laws. >> lisa: but the white house says those claims are not rooted in reality. watch this response. >> i don't know what alexandria ocasio-cortez is talking about, but then again, that's nothing new. i never know what she's talking about. in this particular instance i'm glad she is saying it's horrible down the border. we've been saying that now for two years. >> lisa: jesse, this is -- watters. [laughter] this is what frustrates me about politicians like alexandria ocasio-cortez. they run their mouth, but she voted against funding for the humanitarian condition. if she cares, why did she vote against that funding? >> jesse: put your money where your mouth is, aoc. she's running out of hand grenades at this point. i'm kind of tired and bored of

her. she calls everybody nazis and start screaming at the border patrol agents, it refuses to actually tour the facility. speaks to someone, mischaracterized the drinking water comments, and comes out and creates his huge controversy. my question to her is, what is your point on the border? if you have an adult male bring across a young female and you are not allowed to separate them and question them, it's okay. we put them in a facility to give it. nope, can't put them in a facility to give it. that's a concentration camp. while you can't give the more beds, she doesn't want more bed. you can't have bigger facilities, and you can't hire any more immigration judges to speed up the process. my question is, how do you control the border? apparently, in her estimation, you let them in, you let them stay, and anything more systematic than that is draconian. >> melissa: i understand you are making the comparison, she said concentration camps. i'm not sure she called them nazis, but i know what you are

saying. >> jesse: well, that's the application. >> lisa: that's where holocaust survivors, or some, drew the comparison. >> melissa: my question, the chief of the border patrol was on our network earlier today, and he said he looked into that particular case, that there was water in drugs outside the cell. whatever, the water -- there was plenty of water right there. what i'm wondering is, if she is spreading falsehoods, what is the responsibility for that? it's a little like -- if a journalist goes there and somebody tells you something, you don't just go on tv and say it. you have to go do some research. if you are going to be responsible rather than spreading, no you can't get back this idea that they were told to drink out of the toilet. >> lisa: jessica, why don't you answer the question? >> jessica: i'm trying to. that's exactly what reporters do and what they have done. walking castro, everybody -- >> melissa: but she sensibly told her.

>> jessica: but it's undisturbed. representative judy chu from california was also part of it. >> melissa: but they didn't verify in any way that that woman was actually told that. >> jessica: i think after the ig report, which came out yesterday and included photos of the massive overcrowding in these facilities, people literally on top of each other, a senior official saying this is a ticking time bomb, the lawyer -- >> melissa: they've been seeing it forever, the cbp. >> jessica: i'm saying the conversation i find that partisan, like my good friend jesse watters wants to have -- who, me? wants to turn this around and make it about aoc's vote on the spirit that some of this is about these conditions are and humane. rub the guy overseeing 25 kids who all had lice? >> lisa: can i give a doctrine on that? the conditions are not good. >> melissa: i think everybody has said that for months. >> lisa: >> lisa: the inspectorl said that in the report.

as you mentioned. immigration officials have been asking for funding, they know it's not ideal conditions for these children. dr. nicole, they're obviously clear health concerns for the children prayed also just on the journey, talk a little bit about all that >> nicole: the abstract comments about concentration caps are missing the point about what's going on. there is a crisis at our border. i spent several years in the county hospital in arizona. i took care of many patients who came across the board of. i have a vivid memory of this 19-year-old pregnant girl who was dropped unconscious at our emergency room doors after she had traveled the desert. she was a drug mule. they did what they wanted with her and dropped her off. two intensive weeks in the icu, she and her baby died. that's an extreme case. but those happen every single day. we see them every single day. looking at those pictures, it is -- it makes your stomach upset and it makes you want to cry. but that's the reality of what's happening right now. they need that funding. part of that $4.5 billion is for

medical services and more supplies. the overcrowding -- you have minimal medical care, you have people who need medications who aren't necessarily getting them. then you actually have tylenol and motrin being handed out like candy there. those have serious consequences. so we have to figure out how to, one, have fewer people in these shelters by having stricter border control. two, we have to figure out what will be our new process. that's why immigration reform should be at the top of everyone's bill when they are voting in 2020. >> lisa: we will end it there. everyone on the couch agrees with you just said, and obviously some real concerns there. we will end on that. all right, new 2020 polls in the wake of last week's democratic debates. overall, joe biden's lead is narrowing, but voters still give him a huge edge in one key area. plus, the president who always has an eye on the media and programming, what president trump plans to do the same day robert really testifies before congress. how high the stakes are and whether the president should punch back in this way.

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>> melissa: nous polls showing a lot of movements is likely, the presidential primary debates. a new quinnipiac poll finds a tight race with former vice president joe biden holding onto a two percentage point lead over senator kamala harris. elizabeth warren, bernie sanders, pete buttigieg, and cory booker round out the top six. that same poll showing harris with an 11-point lead among democratic voters who watched last week's debate. but it's not all bad news for the former vice president, in a new "washington post" poll, biden lead sanders by 28% to 23%, with harris and warren tied for third. that same poll also shows biden from the on top when it comes to electability. when asked which nominee gives democrats the best chance to

win, 45% say biden. more than the next to three candidates combined. jesse watters, do you think that's accurate? i don't either. >> jesse: no, he's a weak front runner. they say has a better chance of beating trump than the rest of them. well, the rest of them had no chance. so he has better than no chance, which is no chance at all. the guy has got a glass jaw. come a la aristide has lunch out there. he didn't look like he wanted. he stopped defend himself pretty strong to hug obama's coattails and they don't want to have to do much to do with him. when he raised his hand and said "i support giving health insurance to illegal immigrants," even my mother said, "this might be over." he was looking around! [laughter] >> he was glancing to the side beforehand! what are your thoughts? >> nicole: i agree. i think joe biden is most

likable when he's not running for president. the far left is going to say, will get someone who's going to be trumped? or are we going to really go with our progressive movement? they're going to go with anyone who can beat trump and i do agree with jesse that biden is probably at this point probably the only candidate who may appeal to the moderates and independents. except when he does these little things and says, "i'm thinking of decriminalizing illegal immigration and giving medical care to illegal immigrants." these are things are going to steer them away and really hurt him when it comes to an election. >> melissa: jesse, i don't think he's the one with the best try to beat president trump. i think it's somebody who catches fire. there's no fire with biden. he sort of the safe choice. in the end, people don't show up for the safe choice. he's like the "you hate trump, so vote for me" vote.

>> nicole: i think that's exactly what it will be. >> jessica: first of all, the core constituency backing joe biden ran our older voters and african-american voters. african-american voters -- there's been some movement and thereafter last week. but they are pretty fired up about him. joe biden did a very good job talking about the obama-biden presidency. we all talk about president obama, he was a big part of that. there was a reason president obama selected him for it. these polls auto will be replaced that's a reality. from eight to point lead, there is a poll that has elizabeth warren on top and i will. i don't think he's going to win it, he needs south carolina obviously. it's all over the place. i understand why people think he's the guy to do that, but i think back to when 2008 you might not have saw an african-american man was the guy that was going to be able to win the presidency, so basically

it's too early to tell. but he can't avoid round to at the end of the first >> melissa: he is raising a ton of money. he's done well in that. in fact, we are just finding out that he raised $21 million during his first quarter of fund-raising. but he raised more money per day during the first quarter than any other campaign. >> lisa: money helps, but back to the conversation earlier in the show, so does having the right message and being the right candidate, as well. david axelrod said that basically his campaign had him -- what was that, candidate protection program? and you see why. anybody objectively watching, he was not strong. he looked like a a week candide i think most of us would admit we don't think joe biden is a racist. so i don't necessarily think it was the line of attack, but the fact that he looked week. he

was flat-footed. attacks have been out of the public domain. he wasn't prepared, he had given up midway in trying to defend himself. quite frankly, he looked old and out of shape compared to the rest of the candidates. >> jessica: he did look very strong in this, it's the number one issue for voters, health care. his defense of obamacare, he said, "i oppose any democrat or republican who opposes obamacare." voters like that. be free but it matters, you know this. it's not just about the issues. it's the candidate. you have to generate excitement. i just don't think joe biden will be able to generate excitement. i think he looks like a week candidate. >> jessica: i welcome you into the democratic primary voting, lisa. [laughter] >> lisa: will continue to talk about that. >> jessica: and that cocktail i went over that maga rally tomorrow. >> lisa: or vice versa, my friend! >> jessica: talk about counter programming! president trump plant sold a campaign rally and a key battleground state the same day robert mueller testifies before

to house committees about his investigation into russian election meddling. trump's "keep america great" rally will be held in greenville, north carolina, on july 17th. the former special counsel will testify earlier that day in open session about his investigation. try no criminal conspiracy between the term campaign and the russians, but did not absolve the president of trying to obstruct the investigation. the president has already come out swinging against the scheduled hearing and can use the rally to push back on mueller's testimony. he says, "robert mueller being asked to testify yet again. he said he could only stick to the report and that's what he would and must do. after so much testimony and total transparency, this witch hunt now must end. no more do overs! no collusion, no obstruction. the great hoax is dead!" [laughter] >> lisa: i'm going to click that and just play it! [laughter] >> jessica: not my finest piece of reading. >> lisa: not because of that!

because of the tweet. not the reading. >> jessica: jesse watters, i assume you think the counter programming is a good idea. do you think robert millet testifying will have an impact on the conversation we are having nationally about this? >> jesse: sure, but it's over. i think it will backfire on the democrats, because he's not going to stray from the script from his report. and what he is going to have to do is answer questions from republicans on live tv under oath, which he's never had to do before. some of these congress men are going to say, "hey, why did you stack the deck with the ultimate democrat partisans?" the main guy was on the stage without requiring dell not crying when he wants. >> jessica: but bob mueller himself as a republican. v6 is he really? >> jessica: or a rhino or whatever. [laughter] >> jesse: he didn't look sturdy on his feet the last time he spoke. he had that biden vibe which didn't seem so strong to me. also, why did you not look into hillary colluding with foreigners? if you are supposed to look at russian interference?

there's a lot of questions he will have to answer. i don't think he's got the answers. >> jessica: [laughs] okay. melissa, the counter programming. do you think the networks are going to take it? do you think is going to be >> melissa: i think -- i want to see it. i want to know. i want it's saw this question. we paid for this report. >> jessica: i met the rally. everyone is going to take me wood. i'm talking about that evening. if it will take over the airwaves the way he hopes. >> melissa: you know... i don't know. it's one of those things, i want to watch. i want my kids to watch. it's fireworks, it's the fourth of july. i think -- >> jessica: know, the bob mueller one. >> melissa: you are confusing the hell out of me! [laughter] >> lisa: this is my paid media was important! >> jessica: you have proved my point! you can't tell the difference!

>> nicole: tomorrow is the celebration, not a rally. there's going to be a campaign rally july 17th, same day that bob mueller testifies. >> melissa: they are going to go with the counter programming. they are going to go wall-to-wall with mueller. >> lisa: which is again why paid media matters. [laughter] what did they say? the best defense is a good offense? sports reference. so i think it's my friend to try and get out there and defend himself just from the press conference he gave, i don't see any point to him, we knew his office was coming to an end. the report had been out in the public domain, the majority of the report out there. attorney general barr and rosenstein reached the conclusion there was no obstruction of justice. so i didn't see the point outside of certain partisan interests. one thing i find very troubling, peter strzok testified before congress that mueller, when he was let go from the special

counsel, was never asked if his job was impacted by his bias. he was never asked if his work was impacted, or any questions relating to that. i think it should have been. >> nicole: i think that is a subjective answer. if you can say yes or no, but it's not a concrete. if you want to believe them or not. i find interesting that there have been reports that essentially says there is no collusion, late 2017. so i'm interested to see the republicans say, "so why did it keep going on? why does it get the $25 million for this report?" i think it will backfire on democrats. whether media will pick up the rally that night, who knows? but he's doing it in north carolina for his base. he's rallying his base. he's good at that, that's what he wants to do. >> jessica: there's a lot. we have to wrap, but -- >> lisa: jesse. the other one. >> jessica: whatever! [laughter] nike facing backlash recalling their betsy ross sneakers that just days before the fourth of july. now top lawmakers are weighing in. was the shoe company too quick to react?

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♪ >> jesse: colin kaepernick doesn't like the current flag of the of america. he doesn't like the national anthem. he doesn't like america. what nike is doing is engaging in this effort that is un-american. it is offending millions and millions of americans. so good call, nike. you did absolutely the wrong thing. >> melissa: former utah congressman jason chaffetz going off on nike as the company stands by its controversial decision to poll the fourth of july sneakers featuring the betsy ross american flag. the company's move comes after former nfl quarterback colin kaepernick reportedly told nike the flag is an offensive symbol because of its connection to the era of slavery and

appropriation by white nationalists. nike issuing a statement, "we regularly make business decisions to withdraw initiatives, products, and services." nike made that decision to halt description of the air max one quick strike fourth of july based on concerns that it could unintentionally offend and detract from the nation's patriotic holiday." meanwhile, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell ways and asking nike to reconsider. >> i hope nike either releases these shoes -- or other shoemaker picks up the flag, puts it on the pair of shoes, and start selling it. i will make the first order. >> melissa: meanwhile, arizona governor doug ducey threatening to withdraw state funding for the planned nike manufacturing plant, but new mexico governor michelle lu on grisham counters saying, "hey, nike. let's talk."

always somebody wants a business afterwards. [laughter] >> jessica: capitalist society, democrats, you know. >> melissa: there you go. my suspicion -- and we were talking about this during the break -- i'm always looking at the dollars. we are talking about nike endlessly, we keep showing the sneakers. i feel i'm a little bit suspicious that may be they knew it would be a controversy one way or the other. i have no evidence of that. i don't know, i feel you said it a thousand times now. they've gotten a lot of p.r. out of this. >> lisa: money melissa? >> melissa: maybe this was somewhat intentional. >> jessica: i'm not sure about that, though it's an interesting theory. i just think nike should bring colin kaepernick on full-time. he's been such a boon to their business. his message resonates for the current consumer they're going after, which is not mitch mcconnell or jason chaffez pray they are tailoring campaigns new generations. two millennials, to generation z, to people who are looking at

this who look at america and love this country but there are structural inequities that are unacceptable, and i'm not sure myself about the decision to pull the shoe, but nike knows what they're doing from a financial standpoint. they've got an invitation now, new mexico and california, as well. gavin newsom has said they could talk about it. they will be hurt by this at all. >> melissa: that's for my suspicion comes from! they will be hurt by at all. >> nicole: i agree with you that may be the kind of knew something about it, but he is the problem i have. what about free enterprise? you can put something out and people can choose to buy it. you don't have to buy it or not. the other thing that bothers me with this specifically is, despite what aoc end of the people may historic american flag is not the same thing as having a swastika on tennis shoes. >> jessica: or the confederate flag.

>> nicole: where it really represents something that has horrible historical point. the historic american flag doesn't. it doesn't have that. to really bring an end monday these waters of social justice, i don't like that. i think they have made a very gray zone here. again, it's bringing politics into something that doesn't need to be political. you don't want to buy the shoes, don't buy them. >> melissa: jesse, when i was no mentor school, betsy ross was kind of all we had from this er. she was the one you had to look up to. from this period in time. i don't know, this flag -- it was supposed to be about her, in theory. i understand the concerns and i do understand people would look at it and be offended. but to me, etsy ross was a symbol of what women could do. >> jesse: i used to live next to the betsy ross house in philadelphia on second street. parents would bring their young daughters there, little flag. so they need to apologize to betsy because she's a feminist icon. there is nothing racist about

it. if you look at obama's inauguration, they had a huge betsy ross flag flying right behind the first black president. so kaepernick doesn't know what he's talking about. he hates america, he hates the anthem, ease the flag, and he's literally tearing up the fabric of our country. i agree, it was a flawed founding. okay? but we are all flawed. to me especially. and we all define ourselves by our flaws, we grow and celebrate ourselves. he doesn't even want to celebrate america. he will not defend himself. notice, he did this whole thing, he bailed out of the nfl. he doesn't do interviews. he never faces the music and expresses himself. he sits back and texts the nike exacts, and they -- ends up alienating everybody on the eve of july 4th. >> melissa: it's working for him, though. >> lisa: his whole shtick's fate, it's a scam. the only reason is relevant is because he took the knee.

he took the money from nike. that's only reason why he's relevant right now. >> melissa: we've got to go. we are straying. tough california democrats now in a war of words with president trump over his claim that liberal policies are causing the homelessness problem in cities like los angeles. so what's really to blame for the growing crisis? people debate that one. still fresh... ♪ unstopables in-wash scent booster ♪ downy unstopables our mission is to provide complete, balanced nutrition for strength and energy!

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>> lisa: welcome back. some tough california democrats are now firing back after president trump blamed liberal policies for the growing homelessness crisis. in major cities like los angeles and san francisco. the president also warning that the federal government may intercede, but not giving details. los angeles mayor eric garcetti

said that the government should not get involved -- or, should get more involved, rather pay the opposite of what i just said. and increase funds for shelters and housing for low income individuals. watch what he said. >> i welcome him. i know i'm supposed to shoot back some cheap political point, but this is about saving lives. people trying to politicize it, that it's about liberals a more conservative cuts. it's a collective problem for all of us. >> lisa: 's not the only one. california governor gavin newsom says the trump administration has been cutting budgets for programs that help get the homeless off the street. obviously there are a lot of different dynamics here, but you see cities like los angeles, the state of california, three more and more money at the problem. but the problem continues to get worse. so are these policies actually serving as a magnet for almost an ischemic >> jesse: they are. and the weather, because it's so beautiful out there. it's not about the money, it's about the mission. if you want them to feel comfortable sleeping on the streets or do you want to get them off the streets? i think you have to get them off

the streets. the democrats are having a hard time right now because they can't blame republicans, because they control everything in california and they have super majorities. but remember when you were growing up in high school and you have is really loose parents? >> lisa: not mine! >> jesse: that would let the kids drink or smoke of house, no curfew, no bedtime, no three square meals, no sports. what happened to those kids? they didn't turn out so well. you need tough love in california. you need to go in there, clean it up, institutionalize these people, detoxify these people, put them in rehab facilities, put them in halfway housing, and affordable subsidized housing. then clean the streets up. because right now police officers are getting sick just walking the beat. >> lisa: there are so many health issues here. the mental health aspect that jesse mentioned, there's also -- you look at cities like san francisco, i saw one doctor, a disease expert, said there's a worse contamination issues then can, india, brazil. take your pick on which you want

to go on. >> nicole: there are two huge points there. mental health, when it comes homelessness. one is more almost people have mental illness. the problem is we need to keep them off the streets. what happens is they go off the medications, and then they end up becoming homeless. mental health stigma is still rampant in the united states. but also, making sure these people have access to hospitals, to doctors, to medications. that's what we are working on and our health care reform. the affordable care act did bring mental health into health insurance. the problem with california is, specifically, you only have so many resources. if you are already going to spend so much on health care for illegal immigrants, there's only so much that can actually be for your almost population at that point. then you have these people together, you have typhus coming back, which we haven't seen a long time. it spread by life. typhus, hepatitis, hiv. they normally have but if you have congregated areas, but we are seeing it rampant in

california homelessness. >> lisa: do you think maybe it's time for these officials to rethink their policy? because clearly it's not working. >> jessica: i don't think it's necessarily an issue of liberal policies or anything having to do with that. we are talking about cities that are run by liberals, so it's implicit in that. part of the issue is you don't have a lot of republican mayors of cities. it's just not how it works. you need to rethink the policies insofar as you need need to fos much as you possibly can on affordable housing. the rising cost of housing is the number one reason this is happening. mental health, as well. i don't know what the president was talking about think it's a phenomenon of just last few years. but we have to talk about these people as humans. we can't -- they can be a problem that needs to be rounded up. >> lisa: we've got to go, sorry, jess. we are "outnumbered," just a moment. ♪ limu emu and doug.

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we are back tomorrow at noon eastern. here is melissa for harris. bye! >> melissa: we are now awaiting the sentencing of navy seal eddie gallagher on a lesser charge following his exoneration for murder. gallagher was acquitted yesterday of the most serious charges against him, including the murder of a nice prisoner. he was convicted on one count of posing with a corpse. we are just getting word that moments ago gallagher appealed to the court and accepted responsibility for posing in that photo, and he asked for mercy from the jury. when that sentencing is announced we will bring it to you. earlier today, gallagher, his wife, and attorney were on fox & friends reacting to the verdict. >> i believe they tried to frame me as a criminal from the get-g get-go. but, you know, we knew the truth the whole time. we knew i