>> jon: it's so good to have you here. alicia normally works in my denver bureau where we are from i'm so jealous of her assignment. >> he is glad to see me go. i'm going to denver tomorrow but it's been great to be here. >> jon: outnumbered starts right now. >> fox news alert. and president trump saying that he is now considering an executive order to get a citizenship question on the 2020 census. as his administration faces a federal judge's deadline, that is this afternoon, just hours from now. this is outnumbered i'm julie banderas and here today fox news headlines 24/7 reporter carley shimkus. fox news contributor kat timpf. fox news contributor dr. nicole saphier and in the center seat today actor, tv host, and producer dean cain. thank you all for being here today. we have a lot to talk about. start with breaking story this afternoon the president weighing in on this moments ago. the trump administration facing a federal judge's deadline 2:00 p.m. eastern today. two hours from now we will find out which way this

judge is going to decide even if the president's remarks a short time ago does not persuade one way or the other. a judge is ordering the administration to clarify whether or not it plans to move forward with including a citizenship question on the 2020 census. now, the commerce department had appeared to back off the idea after the supreme court ruled the administration had not demonstrated a good reason for the change. the justice department reversed course on wednesday and now here is what the president just said. >> we're thinking about doing that. it's one of the ways. we have four or five ways we can do it. i have a lot of respect for justice roberts, but he didn't like it. but he did say come back. we can also add an addition on. so we can start the printing on and maybe do an addendum after we get a positive decision. so we are working on a lot of things including an executive order. >> kevin corke is live at the white house to tell us what is going on right now. this is just changing by the minute, kevin. >> yes, indeed it is. it's a real sauna out here.

you may have noticed the president looked pretty hot right there. that didn't stop him spending 20 minutes before addressing reporters' questions before departing for be bedminster. a lot of people are interested about the census question something the president is very passionate about. the deadline is approaching 2:00 eastern time. the white house wants to add a question to the census for 2020 asking something very simple are you a citizen of the united states of america? however, federal judge george hazel has issued an order for the government to enter a written response by this afternoon declaring whether or not it inintends to fight. refuses to allow the administration to go ahead and proceed at least for the time being until they can come up with a better explanation for the question. however, judge hazel who is an obama appointee also overseeing a specific lawsuit. you mentioned this, a couple of lower court lawsuits are underway. is he overseeing one filed by a group that argues that

the government tried to mislead the courts over the true reason for proposing a citizenship question. the president says he is still fighting all the way. >> i just spoke with the attorney general. we have a number of different avenues we could use all of them or one. we are spending 15 to $20 billion on a census. we're doing everything. we are finding out everything about everybody. think of it. 15 to $20 billion. and you are not allowed to ask them are you a citizen. >> okay. so a couple things could happen next, julie there could be an executive order which the president is kicking around the idea of. he also said he has about four or five options on his plate right now. that would likely spark more lawsuits. clearly the a.g. and the trump administration could petition the supreme court to reconsider their claim or this could all be for not and the administration would quietly move forward without the question entirely. you mentioned that deadline. 2:00 p.m. eastern time for judge hazel but also keep this in mind there is

another deadline for a separate court that is set for monday. so we will see what happens in the meantime. if we get anything between now and then, i promise to pass it along. for now, back to you. >> kevin corke at the white house. here to break all of this down if you have had a hard time keeping up. mercedes fox news legal analyst. she will try to talk about what the breakdown is. first, the president is saying he has four to five other options. can you explain to us what the options are? what is he talking about. >> it's great to be on are with you, julie. >> it's my first time on outnumbered. a couple challenges that the president is going to face. one, he's talking about the executive order. but, when you talk about an executive order, it is derived from the powers of the president, which is article 2. the census is found in article 1. and its congress that has the powers governing the sentence. so that's going to be one of his challenges. then, if you look at what another section of the constitution, there is another section that allows

for the gathering of information of citizenship. so, the constitution does allow you to get that information, but here's the challenge to the president. the khalil is that the u.s. supreme court said we believe that this whole explanation surrounding why you need this -- the question to begin with about with. the citizenship question to begin with we believe is contrived. you base it on the voting rights act. we need another rationale. the u.s. supreme court is saying two things to the president. one, you may have that ability to get that information regarding the citizenship because there is a provision within the constitution that allows it. but, we want to know what that rationale is. that's one of the reasons why the doj said this sounds to us like it's reverse engineering. we have already set forth the reasoning behind why we need the citizenship question to begin with. and by the time you get to the u.s. supreme court, you can just imagine the reams and reams of paper

arguments, and all the assertions made by the president and, of course, the doj. by the time it gets to the u.s. supreme court and now you have to look for another rationale. there are some significant challenges. frankly, if the president does do an executive order, there can be challenges to that executive order at the hands of congress. if you puts an executive order to do an end around the u.s. supreme court. congress can turn around and pass legs executive order. the president still has the power to veto it. and it goes back to congress if they have two thirds vote they can then override the veto by the president. so there are so many moving parts here. so many pieces to the puzzle. >> the supreme court essentially left the door open that if the trump administration were to come up with a new and viable and different reason from the original reason why they wanted that citizenship question in the census that they would then have to represent that, the decision had already been made.

this wasn't brought up again until the president tweeted. there were lawyers actually called out of their fourth fourh of july vacation and 2 p.m. deadline two hours from now. here is the tweet that started all of this. he tweeted yesterday morning so important for our country that the very simple and basic are you a citizen of the united states question be allowed to be asked in the 2020 census. the department of commerce and the department of justice are working very hard on this. even on the fourth of july. now, earlier he actually held that news conference at the white house and he basically said, you know, there were a slew of reasons why the country needs to know if you are a citizen or not when you answer that census. one of them is a need for redistricting. what is the need exactly to have this question on the census? >> well, these are great points. i mean, one is that depending on the number of citizens, that's when they will start to look at how many representatives you can have. have within the house of representatives.

which is why the redistricting can be very problematic in. so states where you have larger populations of non-citizens. you think about new york and lives here in new york and think about california where there might be -- at least it's presumed there are more non-u.s. citizens. that can change the districting between just in new york and california alone, obviously other states that can be considered as well. so that's why there are so many opponents to it. and when you look at the entire reasoning behind the census, it's about the infrastructure: the fracture of the amenities provided by the government. schooling, healthcare, highway, the that's how it gets granular level and funding is obviously critically important. when you put all of that together. if the government is going to be providing highways e heark any way why do you need to know how many

citizens there are? that's why there is this huge influx of position to this question because fir look at the primary purpose of the citizenship it doesn't matter whether you are a citizen or not. you will be provided that from the government. >> maybe next time you get invited on the couch. fingers crossed. >> do you hear that? i would love it. >> julie: mercedes, thank you. >> thank you so much. >> julie: also today president trump defending his speech to america on july 4th event in the face of criticism. a short time ago the president telling reporters he felt last night's event was a success. the salute to america featured military flyovers, music, fireworks. a bit of rain as well and a speech by the president urging national unity and touting the u.s. military. watch. >> we come together as one nation with this very special salute to america.

we celebrate our history, our people, and the heroes who proudly defend our flag. the brave men and women of the united states military. [cheers and applause] >> in the runup of the event the 2020 democrats criticized politicizing july 4th. watch. >> donald trump, i believe, is incapable of celebrating what makes america great because i don't think he gets it. >> it's not about my brothers and sisters who lost their lives in service to this country. >> is he having a parade for himself, putting tanks out there for himself. >> i think we need money to go in to rebuilding our infrastructure. i'm not quite sure we need to put tanks in downtown washington, d.c. >> let's now get the couch in on, this dean, i'm going to start with you. first of all, i can tell -- first of all, nobody, all his naysayers wanted this event to happen. in fact, did you see on twitter #rain on trump's parade? yeah. that's how badly people were looking forward to something

going wrong. tso it rains but it did not stop the show. did he not politicize this event. in fact, he spoke very highly about our military and awful its branches dean dean that's what the whole thing was about. i couldn't believe all of the tanks and all the things going right down pennsylvania avenue. that was horrible -- wait, that didn't happen did, it? shocker. everyone went after it before it even happened. we have a fourth of july parade there every year. have for decades. he added a speech, he added a couple of armored vehicles nearby. and the flyovers. now, i love a good flyover. i love a good parade. i think it was great. i think the money was a joke. oh my gosh he spent some money on this. >> i love that bernie sanders of all people talking about the money. >> he is very fiscally conservative that bernie sanders, exactly. [laughter] >> dean: i thought it was fun and united states to see those aircraft. a lot of the people never see those aircraft. i get to do a lot of things with the military so i get to see them. they're unbelievable.

impressive. he really made it about the men and women, first responders. it was great. >> the men and women in this country that are serving must have been so thrilled that they had that kind of representation. not only that but for recruitment purposes, i think it was great because there was a time where recruitment is low and this is the kind of publicity that our u.s. military needs what better stage. >> i love that he included the line, you know, about recruitment. that was so notable and critical. there was not one single thing about this speech that was about president trump despite you will the fact that all democratic presidential candidates said it was going to be about him it wasn't. he also highlighted some really cool american stories. things a lot of people don't know about. >> things about civil rights leaders. >> exactly. and the doctor, dr. saphier, the one that helped to work with curing childhood leukemia. it really was about our nation's history and patriotism. that's so important in a time where it's become

almost taboo to talk about this. >> you just pointed at the button that i think a lot of people didn't expect was the civil rights. he tried to touch on every american. he really did, aside from those who didn't like anything he had to say because anything that comes out of his mouth they have an issue with. >> people kept calling this a trump rally going into it. >> it could not have been more patriotic. >> more about america. people still have a problem with it. i'm going to be subtle i hated it. that's what he said he hafted it because he said it focused too much on the military and not enough on american ideals. guess what we have american ideals because of the military. that's why we have american ideals. >> nicole: okay guys because he gives a speech on july 4th that does not equate to a campaign rally. that's one of the benefits of being an incumbent. you have access to the people. what did he do? he didn't speak about

politics. the thing is the president gets to speak to american people. again, that's a huge benefit that they have, especially during re-election time. for some reason people want to tear him apart around be political. >> he talked about unity more than anybody else. >> you would say screen tore his peach it would be democrats. they it were attacking president trump for political purposes. >> some would argue that any time the president speaks it's inherently political because he is out there campaigning like nobody's business. everybody knows president trump campaigns like no other candidate. and then he did also talk about immigration and then he maized ice for its work on the border. which obviously a very divisive political issue for democrats and republicans. i want to play a clip of that why he idolizes before his july 4th speech. >> heroes of our community,

firefighters, first responders, police, sheriffs, ice, border patrol and all of the brave men and women of law enforcement. >> now, there is praise but then obviously there is going to be critics that are going to say that, you know, he is talking about the independents of our country, which is made of immigrants. and so by praising ice, he is then bringing up a very touchy subject regarding the disaster that we have at our border right now with immigrants and the illegal immigrants right now that are being held in cages. and that includes children and that includes a lot of controversy. >> sure. i mean, you know, three weeks ago it was a manufactured crisis. now it's a humanitarian crisis. anything he does is going to be criticized from the other side. but the whole point is he was thanking and giving a big nod to military first responders, to everybody. that's the wait thing to do on the floor of july.

>> he was saying awful federal imply he use who works to keep our government sthaf. >> especially they have taken brutal last couple of weeks with aoc. he is there to reiterate. he supports everyone who is trying to protect america that includes immigration, ice, cbp. he did a good job. >> kat: that's actually not offensive to me. >> julie: is it possible to offend you though? seriously? >> kat: it's difficult. >> julie: all right, we're going to move on. portland's police chief calling for a ban on protesters wearing masks after antifa leftist attacked a conservative journalist at a recent protest. the aclu saying the move was free speech. we're going to debate that joe biden says he doesn't think most democratic voters are drifting too far to the left. but polls show his own lead dwindle ling in the 2020 race. what's up with that? this as we learn why the next debate could prove to be the game changer for the

very crowded field. details ahead. ound of can hittig bag and bowl) (clapping) always there in crunch time. that's ensure max protein, with high protein and 1 gram sugar. it's a sit-up, banana! bend at the waist! i'm tryin'! keep it up. you'll get there. whoa-hoa-hoa! 30 grams of protein, and one gram of sugar. ensure max protein. front slams on his the hbrakes out of nowhere. you do, too, but not in time. hey, no big deal. you've got a good record and liberty mutual won't hold a grudge by raising your rates over one mistake. you hear that, karen? liberty mutual doesn't hold grudges. how mature of them! for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won't raise their rates because their first accident. liberty mutual insurance. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

if you have moderate to thsevere rheumatoid arthritis, month after month, the clock is ticking on irreversible joint damage. ongoing pain and stiffness are signs of joint erosion. humira can help stop the clock. prescribed for 15 years, humira targets and blocks a source of inflammation that contributes to joint pain and irreversible damage. humira can lower your ability to fight infections. serious and sometimes fatal infections including tuberculosis, and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. tell your doctor if you've been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you've had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don't start humira if you have an infection. help stop the clock on further irreversible joint damage. talk to your rheumatologist. right here. right now.

humira. mno kidding.rd. but moving your internet and tv? that's easy. easy?! easy? easy. because now xfinity lets you transfer your service online in just about a minute with a few simple steps. really? really. that was easy. yup. plus, with two-hour appointment windows, it's all on your schedule. awesome. now all you have to do is move...that thing. [ sigh ] introducing an easier way to move with xfinity. it's just another way we're working to make your life simple, easy, awesome. go to xfinity.com/moving to get started.

former vice president joe biden is speaking out on the direction of the democratic party. in a new interview he says the majority of dems are not quote way left and that the leftist vision pushed by the likes of congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez won't win general elections. watch. >> i think ocasio-cortez is a brilliant bright woman. in a general election fight, who won? mainstream democrats who have very progressive on social issues and very strong on education, healthcare. look, it's center left. that's where i am.

where it's not is way left. but, look, that's what we can find out. car car reports that the democratic field could be drastically smaller come the third round of debates in september because of right now only six of the democratic contenders reportedly meet the rules to qualify. all right. i want to talk about the debates in a second. first, let's talk about joe biden's strategy. is he clearly putting all of his eggs in the moderate basket while everybody else sort of fights over the progressive vote. dean, is that the right strategy for him? >> hard to say, there is so many people in this early part of the democratic selection here that the left voices, the far left voices are really really loud. i think in a general election that makes a lot more sense. that could probably hurt him when it comes time for getting the nomination. >> kat: right, absolutely. especially because primary voters are as a group generally more left wing than people who vote in the general election. so, sure, that might be true as we saw it in the midterms that the moderate democrats did do well by being

moderate democrats if you can't get to that point it won't do any good. he went down and elizabeth warren went up. she is very progressive. when he was saying these things i imagined him saying them to himself in the mirror as an of a fir ration it's going to be all okay. if you look at reality, he shouldn't be quite so confident. car car let's talk about the debate there has been a whole lot to do about joe biden's kamala harris. he now says that he wasn't prepared for kamala harris to attack him in that way. let's listen. >> i wasn't prepared for the person coming at me the way she came at me. she knew bo. she knows me. i don't -- anyway. here's the deal, what do i know and it's the good and bad news. the american people think they know me and they know me. since that occurred, i had the most sought over

endorsement mayor of atlanta endorse me. i have had numerous remembers of the black caucus endorse me. >> carley: kamala harris has gotten a big bump. she will let this conversation ride for a very long time. she was talking about joe biden on wednesday. let's listen to what she had to say. >> i stand by my concern accurately and full context talk about people history and what they did on various issues and individuals united states senate built a career on segregation and racism. and who worked very hard against busing. and my personal opinion ha has not changed. >> carley: it below blows my md he wasn't prepared to answer that question so much conversation leading into the debates.

>> julie: he leaned a little on using obama as his race card if you will. that was his only go-to. if you have kamala harris on the stage, you have to be prepared to be able to defend yourself. i also just want to say that i think he is too nice. and did i say this in the break that i think that nice guys finish last. this is a fact, ladies. and gentleman. i hate to tell you if you are in the dating field. >> carley: women like bad guys. >> julie: voters are going to see him as too weak. if you have a kamala harris on the stage is he going to be very careful she will end up sliding right in there bernie sanders on the other hand, is he going to be out. with her debate performance it's going to come down to biden and kamala. if he doesn't shape up and really, you know, put on the -- he has to put in more force. >> nicole: will the real joe biden finally stand up? watching the debate he keeps raising his hand to all

those questions. those are not his policies. he doesn't want to do this to be the lone guy standing there kick out the only centrist by essentially just call him a racist. that's what she had. i don't think it's a very good democratic strategy. joe biden is wanting to get in front of the american people i still support private health insurance. i support legal immigration and that is how a democrat is going to make its way into a good debate with president trump. these far evident is not a democratic strategy. >> carley: it might hurt him in the end. nike facing criticism from pulling 13 star betsy ross flag sneakers. two 2020 democrats praising the company. whether this is the hill dems want to fight now? plus, san francisco divided on plans to paint over a mural depicting the life of george washington. some say the artwork

contains painful images of racism. others argue it should stand as a reminder of history. >> we should be teaching about the mural and what it means. i, as a half native american indian see no problem with the mural. it depicts what happened. dad, we need to talk about something important. you don't need to go anywhere dad, this is your home. the best home to be in is your own. home instead offers personalized in-home services for your loved ones. home instead senior care. to us, it's personal.

or psoriatic arthritis, little things can be a big deal. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats differently. for psoriasis, 75% clearer skin is achievable, with reduced redness, thickness, and scaliness of plaques. for psoriatic arthritis, otezla is proven to reduce joint swelling, tenderness, and pain. and the otezla prescribing information has no requirement for routine lab monitoring. don't use if you're allergic to otezla. it may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. otezla is associated with an increased risk of depression.

tell your doctor if you have a history of depression or suicidal thoughts or if these feelings develop. some people taking otezla reported weight loss. your doctor should monitor your weight and may stop treatment. upper respiratory tract infection and headache may occur. tell your doctor about your medicines and if you're pregnant or planning to be. ready to treat differently with a pill? otezla. show more of you.

>> more fallout after nikey's controversial move to paul pair of shoes featuring the betsy ross flag. nike made the decision after colin kaepernick reportedly told the company the revolutionary war era flag is a painful reminder of history in the u.s. now some 2020 democrats are speaking out in support of nike. >> my hope is that they didn't just do it to do it, that they understand the significance there.

>> look, there are a lot of things in our history that are painful. >> at a time seek the damage done following slavery and segregation and jim crow and suppression. i think it's really important to take into account the impression that that kind of symbol would have. >> o'rourke also says some white nationalist groups have, quote appropriated the betsy ross flag. the antidefamation league says it does not consider it a hate symbol. a senior research fellow for center on extremism says quote we view it as essentially innocuous historical flag. it's not a thing in the white supremacist movement. so i don't know if beto here is polling in the single digits now he weighed in on these shoes we will see a huge bump. these shoes originally 120 bucks. now they are selling on auction web sites for up to 2500 bucks. does it mean there are rich of nazis buying these shoes or are people overreacting.

>> dean: obviously i think people are overreacting. even in one his tweets kaepernick put out a tweet quoting frederick douglass of course only quoted part of frederick douglass' speech praising the united states and constitution. so i think it's a huge deal. maybe it's a marketing ploy we are all targeting about it. we have for a couple weeks. i love the shoe. i'm a big time patriot. think it's great. everything it represents is fantastic to me. of course the country was founded with some blemishes but we are always striving for a more perfect union. so maybe it was just a marketingly. >> kat: that hasn't gone bad for nike. when that came out nike less than 1% drop only. what does that say about what they are doing here? people are saying they are going to boycott them. it doesn't seem to be affecting them. >them. >> julie: more politicizing of our history. it's our history for god's sake. are we supposed to into your

kid's school classroom and scribble out every single sense in history books that involves something controversial that's a blemish in our past? no. it's part of our his industry and own it. as far as nike is concerned. this was great for business. are you kidding? we have been talking about this all week on of all weeks the fourth of july. it's great business for them. i think people who have an issue like this need to sit back. candidates have to be very careful. i think this sort of thing could really backlash. >> kat: slavery, of course, is more than a blem issue in. >> julie: huge. >> carley: disgusting part. >> julie: would do not turn our barks on it. >> dean: we fought a war to stop it. put that in perspective. >> carley: most infuriating thing about the flag as it stands right now is that nike is making money under this flag. they made a business decision and decided the people they are going to cater to are colin kaepernick and his supporters and it has worked

out for them monetarily. the best thing about this country is that they can do these things under this great american flag. >> nicole: nike and kaepernick have turned historic american icon into a symbol of racism. >> i wonder how betsy would feel about this. >> dean: not good. >> nicole: betsy ross has been a staple and now using it in a negative way this week. where are we going to draw this line in the sand when it comes to social justice are we going to stop wearing white in the summer because ku klux klan because that was their color. men stop wearing mustaches because hitler had it? >> kat: yes, they should. >> julie: i don't like mustaches, i think they should be outlaw you had. >> nicole: cancer awareness month. those are silly examples but how far are we going to go? >> julie: good point. >> nicole: it is historical flag. it doesn't mean racism. it's a part of hearse our histo.

president trump said it best we need to remember our history and fight for a better future. if you erase the past how are we going to move forward and do better? >> >> carley: people talk about critics people so pro-flag why does it matter so much. you have to wonder what covers the coffin of an american soldier, the american flag. it is very important to honor it. there was a video of somebody who stopped burning of the protest yesterday with his hands. it means a lot to a lot of people. there is. >> julie: two people were arrested after that. it's a crime to burn the american flag. that's how much we respect our american flag. >> dean: i was going to say. i couldn't get a flag on my shoe. >> julie: you got them on your socks. >> dean: i have flags on my socks. that flag has draped a coffin of a number of my friends and family. for me i take it personal. >> carley: god bless them. debate heating up in san francisco of a mural depicting the life of our

first president. last week the city's school board decided to spend $600,000 to paint over an 83-year-old mural displayed at public high school. the artwork depicts the life of george washington but also shows white pioneers standing over the body of a native american man as well as african slaves working at washington's mount vernal estate. critics describe the mural as a painful image. >> it is a racist mural. my history should not be racist, but it is. why do we have to explain the pain caused by the visual offense that we see in that building that is supposed to be an institution for learning? >> not in a museum, it's in titus school. our students all of them deserve better. >> but supporters say mural serves as an important reminder of our nation's history. >> the mural tells the story of the conquest and colonization of the united states, including the genocide of native

americans. >> they need to know the history. have it in our states. >> we should be teaching about the mural and what it means. i, as a half native american indian, see no problem with the mural. it depicts what happened. >> these two topics go so well together. >> dean: they do. >> carley: is this another example of history horrific, disgusting. is it an example of it being erased. >> kat: i wrote about this for national review when they were discussing whether or not to paint over the mural. my conclusion i was completely confused what you are supposed to do. look into the artist and do research. he included those images more painful images not to glorify those parts of our historics foz them. talk about george washington and founding fathers we

often white wash explain some of the horrible things that went on. this was a mural doing just that and that's offensive too? i'm just confused. what exactly are we supposed to do if apparently everything that we do is somehow offensive? i'm just confused. >> the school is worried that these images would upset some of their younger students. 3rd graders going there. as a mom, do they have a point? >> you know, listen, i have three kids. i understand the criticism. it is also very important to know our history as kat mentioned they are exposing our history. it is tainted and ugly and we have risen from a from that. yes there is a mural there which opens the conversation, let's discuss this. let's discuss how much we have evolved since then. instead of painting over the mural you, what about putting up a beautiful plaque or an additional mural or something that discusses it and then shows how we have moved on or how

we have grown from this. i don't think erasing it, something that is beautiful in the sense that it's an old painting during during the time of the depression by an artist put a lot into it and accurate of our history. >> kat: also, $600,000 what kind of painter are they using to paint over that gold paint? >> dean: why isn't bernie sanders yelling about that? >> >> kat: dean, what do you think? >> you need to learn your history and what took place. i agree with kat 100 percent. openfully it sparks a conversation even within the school and you have the conversation and talk about. >> very american $600,000 because they now have to put it towards legal funds. should in fact spend that money on educating their children. >> imagine that. >> homeless problem that they have there. >> i pride myself on living in new york city because my children are not sheltered and they see everything. i want them to learn about our history so they can learn what's right and what's wrong. that's what we do is learn

from our pasts. for my children to be ignorant the fact that there once was slavery and different demographic groups treated unfairly and poorly and actually legal to do so, now it's better and it needs to get even better than it is now. certainly we have to learn from our past and no better way to educate our children, they are our future. why would you erase our past? >> it would seem worse to have a memorial of george washington like this and smile. >> there were no wars. again, erase the history books? there were no wars. we have been a peaceful world forever. no. >> carley: moving on here guys a leading critic of president trump in the g.o.p. saying he is quitting the republican party. is this a matter of principles or politics next. ♪ at hilton.com,

i can choose from all their different hotel brands... like a doubletree for my cousins. a homewood suites for my uncle. a hampton for my sister and her kids. and the waldorf astoria beverly hills for me. can i get a..? thank you. book at hilton.com and get the hilton price match guarantee. the pain and swelling.. the psoriasis. cosentyx treats more than just the joint pain of active psoriatic arthritis. it even helps stop further joint damage. don't use if you're allergic to cosentyx. before starting, get checked for tuberculosis. an increased risk of infections and lowered ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor about an infection or symptoms, if your inflammatory bowel disease symptoms develop or worsen, or if you've had a vaccine or plan to. serious allergic reactions may occur. get real relief, with cosentyx.

i had a few good tricks to help hide my bladder leak pad. like the old "tunic tug". but always discreet is less bulky. and it really protects. 'cause it turns liquid to gel. so i have nothing to hide. always discreet. >> the house g.o.p. about to be down one member.

michigan's justin amash is party to go independent. only republican to join democrats in calling for the start of the impeachment process. amash making the announcement in a july 4th "the washington post" op-ed titled our politics is in a partisan death spiral that's why i'm leaving the g.o.p. well as you can imagine the president had a response and did he it on twitter. here it is. great news for the republican party as one of the dumbest and most disloyal men in congress is quitting the party. no collusion, no obstruction. knew he couldn't get the nomination to run again in the great state of michigan. already being challenged for his seat. a total loser. >> i wish i knew how he felt. [laughter] >> not really clear about his feelings. dean? >> dean: speaking of total loser, let's go it dean. [laughter] >> julie: there is no introduction to this. first of all, seeing any side turn on their own party it just looks weak.

that's just me. >> dean: justin amash wasn't exactly a republican in that sense. he was going to be challenged and probably wouldn't get his nomination. that's president trump at his best and worse if you will. he says stuff like that and like we were all reacting to it. like how you would talk if we were sitting in the back room having coffee and the cameras weren't on. >> coffee doesn't make me do that. >> dean: maybe a different beverage. >> something in the coffee. >> dean: he says it like he thinks it and he puts it out there and some people love him for it and some people hate him for it. >> i know this segment isn't about president trump. but i do want to say this may not be a popular opinion. i wish the president would stay away from tweets like this. >> dean: that's a popular opinion. >> i don't like to hear my children use it or the president of the united states use it either. >> dean: i agree with you on that. >> amash's bigger point is getting lost here which is the frustration of the two-party system. i am also frustrated with

the two party system i'm not a republican or a democrat. >> dean: neither am i. >> kat: i don't understand why it is the way it is. it's just not true that most -- each half of the population they only believe in one set of views or the other set of views when really are there are infinite combination possible. i dealt with in the same day being called a trump loyalist and liberal globalist. without being an independent free thinker. >> julie: i feel the same way. >> kat: what about being a free thinker and independent thought. people care more about partisanship now than they care about truth. i think that's so wrong. >> really quickly, that's what's going on with joe biden right now. is he sort of in the middle and it may actually hurt him and that's so frustrating. i always say the smartest people people who cherry pick from both sides. not everybody is strictly one ors other. so, kat i think you are a genius. >> i knew it. >> nicole: i'm registered republican and also frustrated with party politics. i'm tired of healthcare, foreign policy, everything

been seen through a red lens or blue lens that are now super, super red, super, super blue. i want to think of things from the american lends and joe biden talking about your centrist ideas. president trump used to be democrat. democratic big supporter. ran as a republican. i think he cherry picks things, too. especially when it comes to some of his healthcare stuff. that is what makes a good leader when it comes to america. not your far left or your far right. so amash, unfortunately you, i agree his message is definitely being muddied right now i don't agree with everything he has said. frustration with party and politics i absolutely agree with it. dean dine i say this all the time to people i meet in the street. 10% on the far left and 10% on the far right. 80% of us are somewhere in the middle. i'm in that spot. we should had kum ba yah and hold hands. >> do you want to do it right now? would that be weird? >> i would. >> i don't think he was a

republican really. >> he is a libertarian. >> julie: i think the impeachment word, the i word that's a little touchy as well. i don't think that really works for either side. >> dean: no. >> kat: i agree with justin amash on a lot of things. is he a libertarian. i imagine the fact i was able to disagree without attacking him personally or thinking he was some sort of traitor. we need to start looking beyond partisan labels because we are never going to be able to get anything done if we keep doing that. >> here, here, you are a jean yus. all right. police in portland, oregon call for a through prevent protesters from wearing masks after antifa attacked a conservative journalist. is this what is actually needed to avoid such violence in the future? we'll discuss.

and energy. ♪ limu emu and doug. and energy. what do all these people have in common, limu? [ guttural grunt ] exactly. nothing! they're completely different people. that's why they make customized car insurance from liberty mutual. they'll only pay for what they need. yes, and they could save a ton. you've done it again, limu. [ limu grunts ] only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪

>> kat: police chief in portland, oregon calling for no masks. antifa protesters attacked a conservative journalist andy ngo leaving him with a bashed up face and brain hemorrhage. now portland chief says new laws should be in place. >> i understand and we solely support wholeheartedly support individuals' first amendment rights to free speech. but we cannot allow to continue allow people to use the guise of free speech to commit crime. legislation would really be helpful prohibiting the wearing of masks during the commission of a crime. >> kat: but the aclu of oregon says they would likely oppose such legislation. behavior is the issue, not the mask. it could be argued that the mask is an important

symbolic part of a protester's message. all right. i tend to agree a little bit. i tend to agree that if you are going to be a violent psycho it probably doesn't matter what you are wearing behavior is the issue here. what do you think, dean? do you think they should outlaw masks or not? >> dean: i agree with the police chief 100 percent. ridiculous. what they are doing out there. look how they show up. they show up as though they are ready for some sort of a battle. i think it's ridiculous. andy gno the attack on him is disgusting and those people should be held to account. you can't do it if they are going to hide. they are cowards. it makes me sick to my stomach to be honest. >> nicole: likens the same as the social media troll. if you have a mask on you are more likely to do a lot especially criminal behavior if your identity isn't known. people on social media won't say the same things to your face but they will say a lot of things but online. so, no, it's a very small part of it to not have them wear masks, yes.

>> kat: i love wearing masks, okay? now i can't go to oregon. i wear my mask in oregon. >> dean: you can't walk into a bank a mask on. >> nicole: maybe say you can't wear mask is a small step in that direction. >> kat: julie, i'm a free speech absolutist. that includes the way you speak with what you wear on your face. >> julie: it's highly unlikely that there is going to be legislation that is actually going to prohibit masks while you are committing a crime. that's just ridiculous. you are already committing a crime. what are you going to be afraid that if you throw that mask on oh, boy, they are going to bust me wearing a mask robbing this bank. i don't think it's going to go anywhere. if you are going to be going to these protests, obviously you are going to be arrested at one point or the other because you can't get away with this sort of stuff. that's what law enforcement do mask or no mask. >> i don't understand the free speech argument though. you can still protest and demonstrate and the mask doesn't have anything to do

with it. >> the government is essentially picking out your outfit for you. they are telling you what you can't wear. i don't really like that. i think that represents government that's too big. >> i feel the benefit of outlawing masks outweigh the potential of people hiding their face because they want to commit a crime making the situation much more worse. >> julie: if they are going to commit a crime they are going to wear the mask. >> police may be alerted to that and intervene sooner. july. >> kat: government doesn't have a right to my face whatsoever. can i put whatever on my face and the government can't tell me. that really bothers me at ideological level. >> carley: it's not really an outfit. if you are putting a mask it is a symbol of violence it. is for violent purposes different than a scarf. >> kat: i'm antiviolence. what happened to this journalist is absolutely despicable and these people need to be punished at the same time i don't think the government should be able to tell me what you i can and cannot wear.

they're not joan rivers. more outnumbered in just a moment. ole operation was blown. the element of surprise was imperative. wow. he won't even recognize you. seriously. i don't even recognize myself. and thanks to my cashrewards credit card from navy federal with never-expiring rewards it's gonna be a killer honeymoon. woo! maui!! boom navy federal credit union. our members, are the mission. we took everything you love about the bloomin' onion and created a menu you've never seen before. ♪ bloom, there it is! ♪ bloom, there it is! this bloom-ified menu starts at $13.99.

and try our everyday lunch combos, starting at $7.99. content on their endless quest, to nowhere.s, run hopelessly in their cage. but perhaps this year, a more exhilarating endeavor awaits. defy the laws of human nature,at the summer of audi sales event. get exceptional offers now.

but allstate actually helps you drive safely... with drivewise. it lets you know when you go too fast... ...and brake too hard. with feedback to help you drive safer. giving you the power to actually lower your cost. unfortunately, it can't do anything about that. now that you know the truth...

are you in good hands? >> julie: before we leave, we have to promote something that is so awesome. dean cain is the host of "masters of illusion" on the cw. it's in the 60s end. you have to tell us about it, we have to hear everything. >> dean: it's magic. it happens really fast. from ten different companies. they're fantastic for the close-ups of freaks me out, i can't figure it out. it's a quick half hour, a lot of fun. watch it. >> kat: did they ever tell you how? >> dean: i could stand or ask them and have no idea. some of them from a certain angle, but they have a beautiful assistant. whether it's male or female. you can't help but watch them. it's a distraction, don't do it! >> julie: is there one particular stunt team are most amazed by, if you were to look back? >> dean: is the stuff they do

right in front of your face. you mark something on the card, four seconds later they pull it out of an orange that you peele peeled. that's literally impossible, how does it work? >> julie: but their illusionists! is there magic? i don't know. >> dean: you will have to tune in to find out! [laughs] >> julie: i'm sold! that's fine. i can write something inside your orange, you just ask. >> dean: i don't even know what that means, but i like it! kat has a funny look on her face because i think she knows. >> julie: it's because i turned her on. dean cain, thank you very much. thank you all. "outnumbered" is back on monday. america's news he hq with rfl level and leland vittert is on now. i will see you at 3:00. >> arthel: thank you, julie. we begin with the fox news alert. president trump explored all of his options, including an executive order, as he doubles down on his push to include a citizenship question on the 2020

census. time is of the essence. a federal judge setting a deadline at the top of the hour for the administration to give clarity on its plans to move forward. >> leland: so we wait. >> arthel: and you wait with us. hello everyone, i'm arthel nebo. welcome to "america's news headquarters." >> leland: there are so much they can do between now and an hour from now. i'm leland vittert. we will get all of that. the census westerner is being printed without that question. in just the past hour, the president said he is looking at all sorts of options. he talked to reporters ahead of heading to new jersey, where his golf club is, and where he will be there for the weekend. ellison barber is traveling with him and during this now. hi, ellison. >> he said he was looking at options. one of the potential options could be an executive order. he also said -- as you mention, they are already being printed