calling it a scare crow and reports this saturday july sixth i'm jon scott thanks for joining us we'll see you back here, tomorrow. hello america i'm mark levin a special edition of life, liberty and levin with a special guest in a few mommies forest lucas of liu cuss oil capitalism versus socialism. liberty versus tyranny that's the subject of this program it is not discussed enough. reports just came out from the congressional budget office to project unprecedented, 144% of gdp to debt by 2049 this was a big deal. federal debt on track to hit this level. and the report found that if

congress o works to wipe out schedule spending and tax change hads under current law, which includes sharp spending trap sent tog go into effect in 2020 and expiration of income cuts scheduled for 2026 debt rise to 219% of the gdp we're in a serious problem here and i have a question. all you parents and grandparents out there, you care about your kids and grand kids this particularly aim ad at the democratic socialist they like to call themselves. do you care about your kids and grand kids most of us give our lives or for kids and grand kids we'reel protective of them and e want the very bestt for them yet we're destroying their society and we're destroying their economy. because that's the end result andes decade or two if this continues we've heard it before, mark, no -- numbers are just not working right now. the numbers aren't working we have a crushing debt. we have a fiscal operating debt

of 22 trillion dollars. our economy produces slightly over 18 trillion dollars in goods and services every year. that's enormous. unfunded liability so called entitlement and so forth over 250 trillionn dollars. the mind can't even be wrapped around that. it is incredible. and then we haven. proposals beg made by democrats running for president of the united states. not a single proposal actually cutting the debt. but in ballooning the deck at least five new entitlements proposed by this group and let's go through some of them quickly. universal child care, we have no idea how much that's goingo to cost. they want to eliminate the student debt which is outrageous is.6 trillion dollars people accumulate the debt and then rest of us have to pay for it? the government is going to pick it up? two-thirds of the american people never went to college.

two-thirds of the american people going to subsidize people who went to college had or in most cases wealthier than those subsidizing them. genius idea by the democratic socialist. free college? free college for everybody? what does that mean? tuition is already through the roof. these college campuses they can't stop donating empires to themselves never investigations into why this is. why? because this is the doctrine billion so more and more kids to go through there but the spending is alreadyve out of control in these universities and colleges. by the way, which free speech among other things but free college -- family leave? family did we have children before family leave? did we know how to raise children before family leave? do we really need the government through some scheme subsidizing parents who have children? this is absurd whatever happened to responsibility? government run health care they've come up with with a lot

of cute names like medicare for all problem is, it e limbs medicare. it eliminates all private health care. we're all going to live under veterans administration well we have a right to health care. really? ask thena vets. when they go to the vet administration do they say this medicine, this medicine i need to be there tomorrow? no. what does that mean? a right to health care? it is absurdity no private insurance, no medicare, including illegal aliens. according to bernie sanders, now think about that. how the hell are we going to control cost in health care? guaranteed minimum income that was a brain child of corybook and others cradle the grave guarantee minimum income? why the hell would anybody work with all of these benefits? a green new deal. you know what this is? this is imported from germany used to be called degrowth movement, deindustrialization

movement specifically aimed at making america poorer been embraced but eve single candidate in one form or another runningoo for democratic nomination and climate change. climate change -- jake went after the vice president last week it be. chuck todd announced with his fiat we will not have manmade climate deniers on our network ever again. twos guys who know nothing about climate we havema physicist meteorologist, and ph.d. up the with thousands who question manmade climate change p and impact man have on the climate they're not allowed anymore on nbc apparently tapper says science decided i don't know how they know that but i do know this it will kill the economy. it will kill the economy. massive infrastructure spending you drive around washington, d.c. they never stop building. oh we've got the metro that goes all the way out never worked but it goes all the way out.

two roads into four roads overpass, bypasses underpasses all kiengdz of stuff going on. it never ends. we're goinger add two trillion dollars and how i much of that s beginning to flows to the handle of local and state government? for thousands different purposes. but where does this money come from? we have a proposal -- from kamala harris federal subsidies for local teacher salaries. say what? oh, yeah. federal subsidies for local ep teacher salaries and proposes expanding social security the trustee of the social security trust.si of which had there's no money by the way, because federal government is already, they say 8 years is all we have under social security. the lefthe wants to expand a program y that is thinking rathr than trying to figure out how to protect for the people who paid into it. now, out of these proposals and i'veng only just gotten started. there's five new entitlements universal child care, parental

or family leave government run health care, guaranteed minimum income, federal subsidies for localen teachers salary. where, does this money come fro? we'll take it from the rich and tax rich. ladies and gentlemen, there aren't enough rich. there's not enough wealth. in the entire universe to pay for all of this. and a the proposed costs are a joke. because they "don't ask, don't t is ten years from now anymore than what they know what climate and weather will be from ten years from now. they're always low this is a destructive program. not only it will fundment tally destroy our economic system and what happens when you destroy economic system government gets stronger and stronger and more and more abusive. which is why every one of these democrats rejects the limitations placed on them and their aghtd and progressive ideology by your constitution. now i'm not done. taxes --

we have propose but that will go the way of the electoral college proposal for 79% tax rate a war tax a wall street investment tax, higher corporate income taxes, financial transaction taxes, every kind of tax you can think of. we're going tax our way into wealth. in equity -- oh -- so you have plans that will do nothing but destroy this society. and the media you sit there as the guard and you protect these people. you protect the idea with a big ubiquitous centralized government with with an about unaccountable massive bureaucracy we never talk about liberty or free market capitalism look at wealth that we have. if you go into a grocery store everything you want in a grocery store. look around your home look what

we have -- we don't appreciate what we have. what we do -- they don't. and let me reminding you this agenda, well, this agenda is quite stallic what do you mean left wing sites will dismiss you. dismiss me as you will. but pay attention fox, listen to this. chapter 10 of 1936 constitution stalin constitution for the soviet union, this is where the democrats get their policy ideas. article 118, citizens of the ussr have right to work guaranteed right to employment and payment for their work and accordance with quantity a and quality article 119, citizens of the ussr have right to rest in leisure the institution of annual vacations. with full pay for workers, and employees and provision of a wide network of rest home and clubs for the accumulation of

the working people. now just like bernie sanders and elizabeth warren. article 120, citizens of the orbs ssr have right to maintenance in old age also in case of sickness or loss of capacity to work. this is ensured by expensive development of social insurance of workers employees and state expense free medical service for working people an the provision of a wide network of health resorts for use of working people. article 121 citizens of the ussr have right to o education. the right is ensured by universal compulsory elementary education by education including higher education, being free of charge. by the system of state for the overwhelming majority of students in the universities and colleges i can go on. why is it that these democrats embrace not the american dream but the soviet dream? oh, yes it is true. why is it that we don't have serious substantial discussions

what about their proposing how they're paid for? and enoughh of these and enough of this fortune cookie stuff where you pull off in a citizen how far ae cookie and you just read it tax f the rich. that answer is not good enough. redistrict wealth that answer is not good enough pay gap that answer is not good enough had. we need facts. we need information. your children my grandchildren, generation born that's what this is all about. these proposals coming from the left, coming from the democrats apartment of this progressive ideology are anti-american that's right i said it. they're anti-american. capitalism, nobody talks about capitalism anymore.r theod industrial revolution, the biggestth middle class on the fe of the earth. we have clean water. comes right into our homes you turn facet on, there it is how did that happen? electricity with a flip of a switch. how did that happen? we have washing machines,

dishwasher toaster heat when we need it and air-conditioning when we need it and don't give me that most americans don't get these things. almost all americans have access to these things. almost all americans have access to these things. the average american in this country lives better in more luxury than kings and queens 200 years ago as i said earlier, walk into your with local groceryy store look at the ryshelves, look at the 14 different kinds of bread with five different grains. go to the other aisle. look at the different kinds of meats you have 80% fat, 85% fat, 96% fat, all different cuts. look at the different poultry, different fish, all over the country all over the world, the different wine, i could go on and on.n. why would we destroy such a society? it is time to take on the left time to take on the democrat leadership it is time to take on socialism. with t americanism -- and i have a special guest tonight who is beginning to help us do that, art lucas of lucas

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this is life, liberty and help vein with a great guest lucas how are you sir? >> good to meet you. always wanted to meet you. you're a success story with with all a of the this talk about socialism and wage gaps, and the left and the democrat party, people moving further and further and further left with a green new deal and -- we have to get rid of fossil fuel and haven't created a a job in their life, and haven't createdls wealth, most of them have been politicians of one

sort or another most of their life -- so i think it is important for the audience particularly yucker people in the audience ahi to se somebody in flesh and blood and i want to ask you a few questions who has made it on his own. were you born rich? >> no. [laughter] tell me about your background a little bit. >> when i was born we were -- very poor people, and in indiana and this was right not too long after the depression so everybody was poor, and everybody was getting by everybody was working. were you on a farm? how many of you were there? perform two sisters after me. but when i was there -- mom and dad -- >> did you wind up going to college? >> how far in high school? >> i got a real good high school education. i learned how to type but i didn'tho care about typing i

learned how to write a perfect business letter a big help in building my company. >> so you're in kid you're on the farm poor what happens next? >> you're interested in -- vehicles? trucks? what happens after that? >> i had when i was 12 years old i started i was working on a farm. sorting cattle registered cattle and my dad lost his job with the farm so went back to drinking. >> your dad was a drinker. >> yeah serious drinking problem. >> abusive? >> not as a much as he was just the factt that he would be gone, and we had no way of -- >> care for yourself. >> care for ourself -- >> so i left home i had an opportunity to go to southern iowa and work on farm down there for the summer. sorting that guy's cows really good at it although 14 at the time. j what happened after that.

how did you get into the trucking? >> i got into trucking -- kind of always wanted to be a truck driver fascinating with trucks. we had two term truck haul cattle with stuff like that. so i could do all of that. i got out of school, and i was married. i had a baby on the way already. i didn't want to work in a factory all of my life at that time that's what most did you get a job that was the job the rest of your life that was what you're going to become and i didn't want to do that.o but i ended up you know working a factory job on a night shift. and then i could do other work during the day which i did. you know -- working actually my landlord had a lot of stuff to do i could work for him all day long. and yet five hours of sleep. and either so i started saving up enough money to buy me a was 21 i bought my first semi went on road working for may flower, company they

were all over the country. in canada and i was getting home about a day or two every five weeks. so i was stuck for a couple of years -- it was my plan going into it for a couple of years. you know hard for my family hard for me but i could do it. and then had enough money to go a gas station or a business to go from there. and unfortunately my first wife when i left and money started coming in, she had to blow it. she -- lose all of the money. lost it all, and then had me way in debt. got from one truck so i guess kept working that until you get the another truck. >> another car so another truck so anyhow after i got rid of her took about two years to get pay back up and get caught up financially. >> how many trucks did you wind up with? >> mosted i had was 14.

14 truck but brokering load for other people and taking care of 14 trainings 14 drivers 14 drivers wives had a lot to do and really are hard work, and busy weekends soen and so forth we have in indiana and trucks were passing through so i didn't have time to work them very good so i had to tell my wife we have to get one coast or the other and she had been to east coast with me and she no way we're going back there. i had a guy i knew real well in california. so we partnered down to buying building but renting a building. that became kind of your headquarters out on west coast. >> truck come in there i would have time to do what needed to be done. >> we'll be right back. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats differently. for psoriasis, 75% clearer skin is achievable,

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those quake the strongest hit area in two decades cracking building, damaging roads and sparking fires. experts warn or more aftershocks could come in the days and weeks ahead. i'm jon scott now back to life, liberty, an levin. so forest lucas let me ask you a question how did you get from trucks to lucas oil? >> weerp coming across a desert all a of the time you know, it was hot. really hard on the truck, motor, box we didn't have air-conditioning so hard on drives too. ith started looking around -- what can we do to put here to make this oil better, and i found some stuff that was on the market that was better than nothing. so i kept looking for more and more, and found a guy who had a

little trash in the area if you were leaving town, and had to get rid of your oil they would come and take it with a buy it or pay them to take it or whatever but he knew a lot about oil i was in there talking about that for a while. at time i made it up where i was starting to get -- pretty darn good stuff. but one day i said i was looking for something else and what i wanted it for, and he said i've got it down here i think what you want -- and shared me old rusty barrel i read writing on it i thought -- i didn't know this was even of made yet and take the lid off of it i said holy cow this was it. this is what i'm looking for. >> this was additive to oil. not additive to oil -- i made it an a additive to oil. >> but it was for other uses and i don't to tell anybody what those uses were. i took home i made up some batches that are after all of these years pretty much the same

batches that you use back then -- one engine oil -- and once for the fuel, and sent trucks become out. they went from four and a half miles gallon that was run the same thing same engine. up to five miles to gallon. and smoke went away because it was all burning. so we didn't have any -- any atmosphere problems at all which was notot a problem at tht time anyhow. but then the engines quit burning oil.s and your box cool down so i had toto fix all of my problems thee with those two products. >> you pretty much developed this yourself. without any real background? >> none. >> no expertise -- >> no. you just use common sense, experience, and you kept trying. >> i had eventually i heard people who knew things i didn't

know where i could expand out into things that you fix your power seeing unit we have saved the world billions and billions and billions of dollars. >> because this less oil being used. >> less oil used. less pollution. and problems as you guys say -- average person you have a transmission starts to leak, starts slipping -- that's about a 4 or 5,000 problem. but if you can go to autopart store and buy something for 12 or 15 and fix it, it is start outn putting it in there it is knew and never have a problem to start with that's what we've done and fix the truck, cars, about lots of race cars has it. boats, guns, a lot of things. >> lucas oil additive is everywhere. >> yeah. >> pretty much anywhere there's oil. >>s, we're in several different foreign countries now. >> foreign countries too but price oil too? >> no. we move oil. we have to move oil into --

we have a railroad track we actually own a railroad track there in southern indiana main plant is and in california head quarter there is in a plant where our big plant is. >> you employee several hundred people so you come off this farm. really your father leaves. there's four of you. you leave home. you start with absolutely nothing. and then you develop overtime this additive but that is everywhere ubiquitous and you're a man of means you inherited nothing you took advantage of our capitalist system back then it wasn't so heavily regulated ifca you couldn't move you're ae to act and this is now one of the most regulated areas by the bureaucracy by state and government additive transportation and so forth and so on. i want to pursue this with you a little bit when we come back. ladies and gentlemen don't forget you can see levin tv

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(wheels screeching) (clapping) (sound of can hitting bag and bowl) (clapping) always there in crunch time. >> forest lucas your trucking business really took off after regulations were cut, right? >> i'll tell you a little story about regulationings they were something that was evented or developed back during early a parts of the depression federal government came in and said okay you guys are fighting each other. hall this particular freight to the point where nobody was making any money.

so they regulated everything, and if everybody you have the right to hault this particular product to this particular place. and that's kind of where it was. regulation like that. and this was getting way with out of control from the big guys buying up regulars that were in some of the little guys out there still stuck with having to haul those guy, big guys. and it wasn't working tood good. and then there was people like myself although i was hauling moving vans. stuff, place like california where everybody was moving to california. nobody was moving back. so i was a figure and plenty of people out there let us haul our stuff and haul for less money get it out of there a lot better. so i was hauling hot freight. whafnt is hot freight? >> i didn't have a regulation to haul it. but i was hauling anyhow not like you need illegal --

but -- >> don't say anymore. >> i but as soon as deregulation hit, i got a guy who knew all about how to do it so fill out paper for the government to do it. i had all of these customers i had, i wrote off letters and told guy to sign it. and get this guy take all of this stuff. and see if you can't get state authority he said well you can't no way in the world you get a authority state authority nobody can do that. i said try it. papers came back with 48 state authority. >> let me underscore this point of point so they made it possible around 1980 for your trucks to go in every state in the country. continental united s states, and you immediately saw an opportunity you told who you're talking about about i want to transport never state in the

country. and he executed that and he succeeded in doing that and first able to transport 48 different states. >> there were a big freight line that can do it, and even as a moving van company moving van company like i was working for work in all of the states so around 48 states anyhow so deregulated regulation became worthless. everybody could -- >> you didn't have to be part of a big moving company? little guys could do it too pretty much so there's a lot more competition. >> yeah. and a lot l more convenience to theny customers. and a the consumer a lot more choices. right customer and consumer -- the reason i'm focused on this is this is when your trucking business took off that is the government was holding you back. to a point -- >> it was probably other people too. >> lots of people. lots of people. so by removing this -- i guess new deal regulation this

depression era regulation, changing with times of the 1980, it produced more you create more. there's a lot more jobs and wealthy creation another example that's why i wanted to talk to you about you grew your businesses you move to other businesses. you expanded into other businesses. and much of the time -- what slowed you down or what -- made it difficult was government and much of the time which had enabled i you to expand was what government got out of the way. >> right. now -- let me ask you this. you -- are not just in oil anymore now it looks like you've gone a little hollywood. >> yeah a little hollywood. >> that's what all about? >> movies started about being a way to advertise and a lot of about w the harvest. >> what is protect the harvest? >> that's organization that

created over fighting animal right extremist environmentalist who are trying to take control and do away with, you know -- who want everybody to be, and that's what we're fighting -- >> you're trying to protect basically ranchers, farmers, hunters, people that use nature. >> yes. everybody use nature, and raises animal. raise animal -- and there's a big movement isn't there? that's fighting it. [laughter] apparently wants us to eat i don't know lettuce which i can't stand no offense. [laughter] but do you see a combination here that movement in the environmental movement talking about carbon dioxide, cows create carbon dioxide i sit and change the climate? i think the sun has more to do with it. >>'s i think so. than cattle. soor you support, what's the

organization called again? >> protect the harvest. and you call it that. >> i assume so that public knows you like to eat? you like to have food? beef, whatever it is -- well there are people out there making more and more difficult to produce it at a decent cost right? >> right. >> how's it going this organization? making headway? >> yeah we're making headway we've got a lot of -- facebook stuff. >> you've got a lot on the internet going on? >> internet yeah bad things going on right now, and massachusetts you have a o question three up there few yo might want to check in on that. >> what are or they trying to do? >> well -- they wantt to tell you if you want to buy meat, or sell meat or prepare meat if you have meat in your restaurant or your store, it must have been raised under these certain conditions put forward by animal right

extremist. >> things are radical rules. ivelg radical rules that nobody can live with but a $10,000 finr anybody caught doing it same thing now happening in california proposition 12 right there. t.and what's going to go from there trying to spread it out. i don't know we're all going to move to montana i think. >> i think so. crazy, crazy stuff. but anyhow, but it is happening. americans don't know it be because can't believe it, that couldn't happen. you know. >> as your group trying to draw attention to it, fighting these type of initiatives? >> right. we are. all right we'll be right back. with advil, you'll ask... what sore muscles? what pounding head? advil is... relief that's fast. strength that lasts. you'll ask... what pain?

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forest lucas, indiana, i take it you know a gentlemen but name of mike pence. >> i guess i do know mike pence very well. you've known him a long time since he was a congressman. >> a long time. a long time how's he doing? >> i think he's doing great. >> yeah. i really do he's a nice man? >> he's a nice man, very nice he and his wife are very nice people. very religious. >> religious people. and how was he as govan? >> he was a good governor.

a good governor. you've seen a lot of governors come and go. [laughter] you know in indiana. >> not a kid anymore. seen a lot of them come and go. >> a lot of senators come and go you know for people who don't live in indiana we view indiana we at least i do as a fairly conservative state yet every now and then throw a curve ball won't it? >> it will, and you have a mayor there -- mayor pete they call him. who is running in the democrat primary for president of the united states. do you know him or very well? >> i do not know him very well spoken d to him he wants to talk to me -- >> he>> wants to talk a to you. >> i think so. yeah. now president trump, you've met him once or twice. i've met him once. >> do you like him? >> i do. >> like what he's doing? >> yes that's what i like about him because i haven't watched, you know -- all a of the way through this thing. ening like the deregulation that sort of thing? >> yeah. i do. people say he doesn't like

the way he tweets and talks and ting to myself -- okay but this is who he is. and he is presenting himself openly transparently to the american people not one of these power washington politicians and i think that's one of the reasons people like him. and now what do you make of this movement, this green new deal movement we're finally quote unquote energy independent. i remember as a kid opec and all of the trillions of dollars over time that flowed out of this country into the arab countries into middle east so forth. and now we're importer of oil and we have a political party with people who want to be presidentet of the united state. who are attacking fossil fuel now finally energy independent attacking fossil fuels. whatsi would replace it? does anybody know? >> i don't know what they would

use to attack -- fossil fuel that's -- that's crazy. to start with, you know we've got it the best we've ever had had it like you say we're selling fuel instead of buying fuel fuel whatever you want to calm it we're selling it. and that's good. now, coal, okay. coal might be a little nasty but that's -- it that can be worked out one way or another, but big thing is, we are in control over a lot of things in the world we're not let hadding people control us. america isn't able to be in control. and he's doing it he's got everybody's attention but he's not being mean about it to anybody in my opinion. >> in terms of oil, coal, and these sorts of things, should we be basking in this? this is what, this is the -- this is what fuels engine of

this massive economy. i mean, in the people who oppose it like aoc out of new york city and bernie sanders at the new york city -- [laughter] they don't seem to have an at ltive. >> i -- i cannot understand how people think about that and went after a trump won, democrat no offense i don't to not do it. but tell these people act crazy. you know, trying to get socialism -- socialism. yeah. >> call it democratic socialism let me ask you this. how do two work together democratic socialism isn't socialism even inn its weakest form about government controlling decision making? government controlling industry? >> government controlled everything. yes. >> with president obama,

obamacare. what's interesting about this to me is, we've got -- get thisti obamacare in place, d we were told it was going to do all of these wonderful things. >> yeah. >> now we're told no, no that's passe obama doesn't cover medicare for all that means medicare for no one because they're beginning to eliminate medicare they're going to eliminate all private health care. and i guess they're going to run it all through the veteran program and answer to their programs is --t more government. we just haven't tried enough we haven't spent enough. we just haven't done enough. had this is one of the reasons i wanted you on the program. so people can understand here's a real living success story a capitalist came from nothing, and produces something that we all need and we all want. and contradicts to society as opposed to say a bernie sanders who is really contributed

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mark: let me ask you a question. you worked your way from the bottom up. you couldn't have done that in t socialist society. your story isn't unique. you are unique, your business is unique. but this is america. people try to come into this country to do what you did. people like to make money, make thinks and contribute to society rather than be a burden on society. why do you think there is a growing appeal to the option. to socialism. you couldn't have done what you did in a socialist society.

>> no. mark: so what is the appeal, to you? >> the best i can figure out, it's a reasonably small population. it was started under obama. all this loo a -- mark: -- >> the push to bring in the people from outside the country and come in and vote democrat. mark: what about the people in our colleges. >> our colleges, that's crazy too. they want fry college, free medicine, free food, free everything. how are you going to pay for all that? mark: why would anyone want to work? >> you got it right there. mark: if you can get free whatever. the burden on the productive people in the country becomes so

enormous that even they can't be successful. >> we have ibs for all our employees. we are probably one of the best companies in the country with taking care of our employees with our insurance. when obamacare came along it went sky high. a good friend of ours, a family business, he went out of business because he had so much paperwork to do. he don't just fix it. you go and pass it on to all these on the are other dock -- these other doctors. then you have got all the paperwork that goes with it. that's crazy, but it'sk happening. this obamacare needs to be completely gone. mark: i think you are a perfect example of freedom, of capitalism, of success, creating

jobs, creating opportunity. providing people with what they want. it was a pleasure having you on the program. thank you very much. [♪] jesse: welcome to. "watters' world." i'm jesse watters. the nation continues to celebrate the july 4th holiday. president trump kicking it off with his highly anticipated salute to america celebration with mr. trump celebrating his patriotism and support for your troops. he offered up a rousing address and a dazzling fireworks display. but not everybody was happy