>> your heart and where your spirit is what taking over there to do the job you need to do not because you like it. ♪ >> that's what i love about this country. depreciates its war warriors. >> you're still a soldier and never come off the line but you'll always be one. >> i know how it affected change in the country and with my wife and my kids and how important it is to have gone forward to do

that for the red, white and blue. pete: these are modern warriors. ♪ i'm pete access and we have a great evening for you. from the texas ranch to a man you all know well, navy seal, marcus littrell and his brother morgan is here. thank you for hosting us. >> thanks for being here. >> on the compound. pete: made it past the gate and adam barely made it. [laughter] members of congress don't usually make it. [laughter] [inaudible conversations] pete: i know this but chad and i went to fort benning together and were in the same platoon and that is infantry officer basic course.

>> we did but we just had not seen each other in years. [inaudible conversations] pete: will talk about the biggest topics of the day facing us and all the americans those were fighting overseas and the threat of the border not far from here and touch on controversial topics as well like the state of the va, veterans benefits, thoughts about where we are with that in one particular topic, some war fighters are facing when it comes to coming home and being accused of war crimes. i want to start with this group. all of you at some level weather in the sky or on the ground have pulled the triggers and meet the calls and in the news recently have in cases like navy seal eddie gallagher, green berets matt goldstein, first lieutenant was in prison at leavenworth, the president has mentioned he may pardon one or a few of them coming up. we could start anywhere we want

from that but is that result of rules of engagement that were too restrictive for a long time or is the people at the pentagon second-guessing decisions. we look at comp get a case is what's your first thought, marcus? >> a little bit of all of that but we rotate our power 48 years. people come and go but we have still been fighting this battle and it's the first one for the dad can talk to the son about the same kind of thing. almost 20 plus years we've been at this and it's important not to -- this is part of our country and you don't pass judgment on someone until you get all the evidence and see what happens and then we wonder that and a lot of time because of how fast the new cycle is and because people like talking about it everything gets stressed out to us now we're back in the day our politicians had to go to dc to do that arguing behind closed doors we would not have to deal with it out here. when it comes to a man's life and with war putting brothers and sisters in that reality is tough so the pass judgment when you are there is like writing a book about what you think

happened and you weren't even there. pete: what about the fact some people are calling them war criminals and guilty until proven innocent in the court of public opinion? >> most people do not have never been in combat. until you go over there and have had to make a split second hard decision me personally, i don't thank you should have a vote or say so in that because nobody -- it's like people get around a bar and someone said shot me and i do this but you've honestly never been shot at because you don't know what you would do. your training takes over in the tunnel vision kicks in and sometimes you don't remember things a few days or even a week later until what transpired because it's in the heat of battle. >> the experience is different each time. using words like war criminals that's reserved for bashar always odd, not the prince camp guards or people in kosovo that

murdered bunch people and that they were criminal. it's not someone in the heat of combat made a decision -- with police shootings you see is why did they not just shoot the guy in the leg and to disarm them? when you're in that moment and i'm not a ground guy but everyone i talk to when you're in that moment and you can't judge until you are in that position and if the intention of that is i'll go out and murder innocent civilians that is one thing but if it is a decision made in the heat of combat if we start will put american troops at risk if we think that every time they pull the trigger or make a decision that they can go to jail and let commanders not making decisions and it will be devastating. pete: in a couple cases it was the frustration with the catch and release program. catch these guys and can't do csi on the battlefield are there so you don't have evidence and in a couple cases they made -- took extra measures after the fact they're now being

scrutinized and is that a big part of the frustration? >> is a dangerous game we're playing and set a precedent of what the system is doing to the guys and labeling were criminals and half the entry goes in and says yeah but the societal norms are shifted with social media and that's the dangerous game because each individual situation is completely different. i would urge everyone to not do that knee-jerk reaction and go all in because whether we like to believe this or not public perception rises to the level of our politicians and leaders which obviously will be down on the individual being accused. >> i talk to guys like adam, fighter pilots, aviators and there they were scared to shoot now. you're on the ground and falling into fires and i need fires at this location -- and these guys are going i don't have clearance yet. >> it's so dynamic and it can

change daily for a new leadership or -- if that word is not disseminated out appropriately and directly and there's an incident who's at fault? whoever were fighting to drop back on the technology time zone on that dissemination of the word and clearly across the street is dangerous even cross the street and get that word out before something happens in their fighting the old rules and guys going to boot camp are in their were not talking judges people who knew lawyers or theologians but that's what we have to turn into. like a police force and had to go up there and fight for a country that did not have a police force and were chasing the game and we learn their names and catch the gang members and make it footloose we catch them again and then it goes on and on. pete: so many rules you operated under the rules based on armies who fought who wore uniforms and played by some set of rules.

almost two decades in fighting an enemy that does not play by the rules at all and if any one of you were captured and you know this more than anyone the price of your life automatically and brutally as possible. are we in a moment where we should start revisiting whether the catch and release program based on the values we have is the type of thing we can do if we want to win these wars? or does the way we handcuff herself in a check out for decades because we don't fight -- >> this war has turned into what vietnam did. after the towers came down and the president standing on the rubble pile the flag flying and every american from new york to california was like yes, let's go. america has never had the will to stick with what needs to be done in fighting a war there's nothing pretty about it. if anyone comes up and tells you they enjoy going to war something is wrong. your heart and your warrior

spirit is what takes you over to do the job has to be done, it's not because you like it. >> this will be a generational fight. this will last all generation and is not just a military response but the seven and eight in that part of the area having hope because they have hope and will never join al qaeda or isis. if they don't have hope that the brutal briefing ground and feeding out there's a military component there will have to be a long-term component that comes from within islam rejecting us within islam. >> you have to identify it. it's a holy war. plain and simple. call it what it is. pete: that's a great way to leave it. on the other side of the break will ask those questions, are these endless wars? is isis ultimately defeated? how long is this for? stay with us. let's be honest,

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♪ pete: marcus luttrell and three of us navy seals were in search of a high-ranking taliban leader as part of operation [inaudible]. taliban fighters in which the team and after an intense done battle that killed his seal teammates and failed rescue mission that left all 16 servicemen aboard the helicopter dead, the trial was left as the lone survivor. pete: welcome back to modern warriors. great conversation they continued in the break we talked about rules of engagement and talk about the long war and how long will it go on. you had the war in afghanistan, war in iraq, resurgence of isis and defeat devices but feels like there's always another iteration. chad, you study this closely and are we a quarter of the way and or halfway there or winning or losing? where are we? >> we are winning.

currently there are numbers around the thousand on the eastern side on the iraq border, 300 probably are fighters of rest women and children so they have been put on their heels but the problem is no different from one to tell a man called a cease-fire but all that really is is backyard football when we used to play like it i'm out of breath, stop. with her doing is recouping and refitting with mo and food to bring the fight back again. you can't just stop and you can't get out and say move on because that's not how it works right that how teams the mindset of the american people are. are we done yet? >> just like you said when they call timeout and you say hey, wait a second, even québec and so we are winning but as long as you keep doing that will have to show back up. it's a holy war.

i don't care what anyone calls it over here that's what they call it. were going after them and you need to identify that. >> is a caliphate. >> finished against who? we can't get on a battleship and sign a treaty. >> were fighting a mindset that you got to defeat the mindset that if you allow the caliphate to flourish in the mindset will double and triple and excitement and that's why isis was a good initially because people believe this will the caliphate until we kicked their face and then they thought maybe it's not but that does not mean they don't now believe the koran says there some iteration but take the medicine every day. i wish it was different but there is not necessarily going to be some surrender until in islam the next generation says we've had enough and we deserve better next generation will say that. he's been fighting this generation long enough that we made the night next generation of that. >> 's behalf ultimately there reacting to the fact that there's been and is worse in the country but even so it's the

ideology, can we overcome that? >> anything can be overcome. just takes talking. a sickly worst kickoff when the leaders will talk about it and maybe now our generation has been fighting so long in our kids have binding it so long when their generation comes to power and they'll say we've been killing each other for the song still in the same spot and let's try something different. >> we talked about that earlier. from when the towers fell in 911 if someone went in and entered the military service post 911 within a year and a half from retirement age now so think about that from the side of the extremists. their kids were born and they are now old enough to be fighting us so although our kids are affected by people serving the people that we know those kids over there are brought up in it everyday can't get away from it. pete: are we fighting that aspect of it? the funding of religious schools and poisoning the young kids and

telling them to god's way to go. >> we need to fight deeper than that. if we negotiate with the tell that it has to be from a position of strength it will never lose on the battlefield. we will never lose. if we can negotiate with the tell them it could be were not going anywhere and if you want out of this we want out of it too but it will be under a condition of are not leaving but if we show your leaving they will do the old vietnam thing and be like cool, will sign a peace deal until you're gone and then you look back and say 18 years for what. when i'm with my kids i don't teach them to hate them all the time or talk about that. i don't or we don't do that to her children. that's a constant thing over there for them. we indoctrinate our soldiers around 18 and before that it's movies and if you're in the military it's the tradition and we talk about the good stuff but the one thing we keep from our kids? the bad stuff we do. it's not the fact what we had to

do or how far we took it when we did it. pete: when you look at hamas and hezbollah in these groups around israel where the kids are trained at the age of five, 62 choose to hate christians and hate jerusalem and expel the crusaders and to your point they use the language of holy war with their kids at the beginning and just to be candid taken god out of schools and institutions don't speak that language. >> they don't live in a politically correct society and we do. everybody over here has to get a trophy. everyone here has to be told you did really good. over there is more realistic. every day a missile could come in here so you got to know how to defend yourself. think about that when it comes to the kids if they ever have to squared off with their kids in training combat since they were kids when they grow up they are trained in all of that regardless of whether they go into it or not.

hours are not. most families keep the kids as far away from danger and bad things as humanly possible so they ever had to did come face-to-face could be a problem. >> with the hezbollah issue -- doing with their president is doing the funds are going away. they said hezbollah is losing funding and building the institution of the lebanese government and armed forces which defeated isis in the valley is a way asymmetrically to try to push back in certain areas. pete: still ahead, the battle here at home, crisis at the southern border but these guys lived here in texas and you want to hear what they have to say about the border and national security and what it means for our sovereignty as a country. don't miss if it were here in texas and you don't have to say something about it on the other side.

>> live from "america's news headquarters". americans are getting a big kick out of this. u.s. women's soccer team has won the people world cup to feeding on netherlands by score of two-nothing but today's victory marks the second consecutive time the women's team has been given a trophy in the record for time overall. stars megan and rose both scored feeling the wind and their team will be honored with a parade in new york city wednesday morning. another provocation from iran.

the regime says is increasing its iranian enrichment beyond the limits allowed by the 2016 nuclear deal with world powers. an agreement president trump withdrew from a year ago. iranian officials say that they are going above the agreed cap quote, both based on our need. i'm aisha hosni and now back to modern warriors. ♪ pete: lieutenant adam kings and her skirt in the size over both iraq and afghanistan. after the service overseas can finger man for seat in the house of representatives where he was elected in 2010 and continues to serve to this day. his devotion to his country does not just happen in congress. he also continued to serve as the pilot the air national guard where he was deployed to the southern border in early 2019. welcome back to modern warriors. these guys have defended our country and the flag overseas and defending oftentimes other

people's borders and here we are in texas and we got a showdown at our own border but everyone acknowledges it took a while for some on the left to figure out that there is a crisis and it has to do with national security. adam, been on the border patrolling in your reserve capacity and you live down here and are engaged in a. your thoughts on what's been done about it? >> this did not just happen overnight. this has been going on for long time and they can vision is none of us want to keep people out of the great country that don't bring something to this country. if you got something or a skill or a good person there's a right way to get in this country. marcus and i were hunting six or seven years ago down in south texas and getting ready to go out and you would have thought it was a war zone with helicopters, cars what we later found out was the border patrol had gotten these three guys and when they started talking to them one of the border patrol

agents was prior military's about 20 minutes into this discussion one of the subjects goes and does the squat like we've all seen overseas and goes that's not right. as a further investigated there were three guys from al qaeda that what they found out was they had been immersed it down in south america into how to speak spanish and look the part and they walked right up to the border, spoke spanish just as good as anybody and yet if he had not picked up -- if he had not gone that's not normal so that's what were talking about. pete: what is it about some folks that don't recognize that a border is an important place needs to be enforced? how do people miss that? >> is not in the face anywhere else in the country like it is down here in texas in the bordering states. it's one of the things i could tell you the story about tell you about my experience if i don't have to articulate it we don't have a spot i need you

don't understand it until you are inundated or in it and i would absolutely ask everyone to come down and experiences for themselves. it's to a point now will you not miss it. it's not like you come down here on wednesday and it will be slower at all. it's constant. they are the ones that live in around the border are overwhelmed with the problems and our economy and state can't handle that. everyone here is trying to do it legally and everyone here that lives is were happy to float that and that the improbability and who will suffer on the backside, we are. >> it's just politics. they were all for border security until trump became president. i went down and did it for a number of weeks and as lieutenant colonel doing the operations these people go down but they throw on a windbreaker and get a picture on the border and say now they talked about the border. when the congressman would go to a base in iraq and now all act

all battle hardened and there's nothing wrong doing that but that i saw from the inside. we don't have enough time to go into the details that i came back convinced the national emergency and it's inhumane to tell people that they can pay the cartels to traverse their territory and use a cartel guide and maybe get assaulted on the weight and abandoned and either rate were funding the cartel about $6000 a pop whose our main enemy south of your. >> i like to clear up this misconception with the political thing about them arguing back and forth because they both agreed on it -- worst thing is when they talk about how horrible the people are down here who control this and it's like a prison camp. first of all, the people who worked on their art magnificently wonderful people. what was like a prison camp people were not led to it. they are hitting themselves against in the verbiage they are using does not make sense. we all want people -- especially in texas we want you to come check this place off it if you get in line and come through to

make sure no one hurt too because we know you're here and we know the bad people and keep you from them. when you come over legally -- when you come here illegally you hide in the shadows and could be manipulated. if you overwhelm the system that's one all this madness is happening but were not saying that. pick a number and that will be -- our people could handle and flush this through and let you become a part of this. he will think money grows on trees and it kind of does but in order to pick from our orchard you got to work in it. you can't just come over, picket and leaf. were always in war with anything and everything defend everybody, drug war, human trafficking mo more, it's all because of care and a crisis we didn't and i want to be perfectly clear what they were saying in dc was wrong. they're lying to everybody and now it's turning into something that now were behind. that's when the bad stuff happens. it's nothing with this administration -- does it make sense we would do something like that.

>> that is what infuriates us all. we see this happening we see the spin that the media puts on this but yet with the problem in this country with homeless veterans. will help people come here illegally but we will not take care of our own that signed the data line in less than 1% of all americans ever sign that out of line to volunteer to serve but will not take care of them and put someone else's needs they came here illegally in front of them and that is what fires me up. >> and the robbers we had the ability to take care of almost everybody with the amount of money we bring into this country. we try to help everybody coming in on the illegal side and then they dump all the stuff with the people who are here first wait in line and its cap gated to get citizenship but if you get in there and go to the process it's getting muddied up by people who are jumping the line. >> preach it, brother. pete: what about interpreters and translators who we had to fight years to get these guys on the battlefield with us to talk

about someone who deserves asylum. >> when it comes to a wall or barriers, call it whatever you want but still have to run into someone's wall eventually. the get to someone's weather they can help them or not. whether it's the great wall of texas and everything is bigger here anywhere but it leads to a gate where we want to end in a perfect world to be a -- statue of lady is doing this same come on in here and hang out and do whatever you want but don't manipulated. pete: do you think we should have a wall on the border everywhere we can? >> absolutely. travel anywhere else in the world there is a wall. >> to come down with video cameras and they say no one here but that's because you have video cameras and they do this under the radar. they don't want you to see them. that's the whole point. >> arizona had a wall and never texas three other times with the military under president obama

but some out my deployment with president chavez -- but in the parts of arizona where there's a wall we did not catch anybody because no one went over that area and most of those were cartels or scout or drug mules. pete: next on modern warriors we talk about what happens when veterans come home from the battlefield. you mentioned homeless veterans in the group responsible for well-being, department of veteran affairs. stay with us. maria ramirez?

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know about it. i will be honest i took heat recently for making comments that we've got left that's today at some level but disability ratings and obligations going higher and that in some places there are that organizations and others encouraging guys the matter what their combat service to get every disability claim and percentage rating that they can do. we are all for the guys who deserve it and needed getting everything they deserve and need but is there sort of an open secret that in some ways some guys that come back to see it as an entitlement? this has nothing to do with the civilian publisher. when you got burned on was you started talking about family business outside of family and all of us know who those people are. we know the guys who abuse it and because they're in a family like this -- but not now the. this atmosphere when they can coach you and some of these guys have become a victim of being a victim and you know who they a

are. >> we been fighting this war for over 15 years. if you enter into the military you will exit with a disability. almost guaranteed you will have posttraumatic stress, whether you got in boot camp or even if you did not deploy or if you deployed to a combat area but were not in combat you will have post dramatic stress and almost bet your bottom dollar there's an understanding nowadays that that is the case and it's a sad state. i was chatting with officials in dc and the conversation came up with the best way to address all these new up takes in poster medic stress and how will we combat this and we said quit paying for. how many people will be great. we make the argument nowadays that every single issue that you receive in the military is worth money after the fact when it's a volunteer program. there is no more draft. you should know there were still fighting complex and we are at

war and you're going to see nasty things in your body will be damaged, not if, but when. >> that's why most of find out. >> there are the kids and i say individuals out there who need this and want to go to college and i don't expect the war but if i do or sign up and more than likely will you need to understand but if you are not okay with that then this is probably not the job for you. >> armed forces. it says that right there. there is an absolute entitlement in the country these days that i deserve something with. pete: when i came back from quintana buffet which is not a combat tour but i was there for a year and that guys are processing is that if you so much as stub your toe you should file a claim because you could get 10% for that or 20% which i think creates the expectations they can create a victim mindset at some level and that sounds wrong for some people to hear but as that is our job to police that -- >> here's a prime example. i try to support veteran owned businesses and i go into this

business and i said what happened to you but here was the response. well, after work one day i got drunk and fell off the [inaudible] and now hit my head and now i'm one 100% disabled is a guy standing here missing a leg and shot a few times and i'm like you're getting more disability than i do and it was your fault, your decision to get drunk and fall off a truck. something is wrong with that. pete: can the real issues ever get tackled? >> eventually but the problem is the easy political solution is write the check. then you go in and campaign on health and veterans. we all want to help veterans but one of the greatest things you learn biblically is the value of work and how work makes you feel like a better person, you mow the lawn and you may not like if we feel accomplished but when you don't make people work and let the government pay in a major disservice to veterans and those who can go find a job in

fueling or feeling like a productive member of society. pete: the filling a sense of purpose -- >> that's why we joined up. that is why you joined up to fulfill that sense of purpose. it's frustrating for me because obviously, a lot of my wounds you can see so i'm pretty vocal when i see somebody that's abusing the system and i'm like that's wrong. but like morgan said they look at you like i deserve it. i went into the military and they should give me something. yeah, they gave you a paycheck. they probably changed your life for the better. take what the military taught you and go out and do good with it. pete: the balance of recognizing the real challenge of poster medic stress is either victimizing or stigmatizing a guy. right? you don't want to make them say i don't have to work because i got problem i can't overcome but they also don't want to stigmatize or overcome the stigma by guys be willing to come out and say i need help.

>> a core value that they teach you in the military is do the right thing. it's integrity when no one is looking. do the right thing. at the end of the day you could essentially be screwing someone that needs the help. >> that's what irritates us that there are guys who are not getting that because their paperwork is jammed up and we all suffered from it. you get beat up into the [inaudible] you signed up for that way of life and as you transition to the other one you refill that position with the new memories are making. the biggest thing to get out in a separate us is therefore not doing something that something is academic that will drive you crazy. it is possible to not do anything, relax. that's the greatest part about this. it's just reconditioning yourself to your new life. and i got of the military and these guys that they want it to go to the hedge fund and is like the buses on running the company. >> if you're getting mad at us but you probably need to look in the mirror.

♪ pete: navy seal morgan luttrell to play multiple times to iraq and afghanistan seen intense combat.

back stateside during a training exercise off the coast of virginia beach the black hawk helicopter he was riding in crashed and luttrell suffered traumatic brain injury. luttrell's experience seeking treatment for these injuries led him to get a graduate degree in cognitive neuroscience and a passion that continues today probably veterans improve their quality of life. >> at retreat i sat down the sky and said he does not recognize me and said what are you here for and i said i'm just going to hang out. and he led with it and select your disability reading. he said minus 100 and i can tell you how to get it. i would like, they are young and been taught that but here's the thing about the va and that's what it should be the following one. guys retire that the another rank. the people who work and there are wonderful and want to do it but wherever the pinch is whether trying to get it done, i don't know. i've not worked personally into that but in the military when you medical and dental and you

not been there, you got to go. you are still a soldier. you never get off the line. you will always be one. when you do get hurt and ptsd is part of being hurt. when the body is hurt and laying there and busted up your mind is still thinking i want to go up and do things and after a while it becomes i can't do what i want because your mind is sharp. it's a stressful disorder. as you recoup and heal up so does your mind and it's always ready to go. my brother is a cognitive neuroscience and the overpressure that goes back and forth creates those symptoms that we have an like why we start crying for no damn reason and where he is treating that and finding that out. some of the guys a lot of people with civilians the problem is that some guys like the more ptsd you have the more combat you been on because a lot of guys are jacked up in a scene heavy combat and of course they will have that. we know who they are. then those people who justified

to civilians because civilians don't know. when they asked about how my mission to been on and they said let's talk about the civilians but they have no idea how to figure that out and they are just stuck and there was one generation that tweeted the better is like crap. it was horrible. but this generation and hours and 100 we covet our warriors. 43000 not-for-profit. one of those guys told me his life is a vacation. he goes from place to place people want to support him. >> and thank you so much but i don't want to put a bad taste in civilian mouth that will handle this. >> there's only one organization and support for building houses for veterans and that is my friend gary sinise because i've seen so many -- more people have abuse that than anything. my view on that is if i give you that american dream of a home i basically made you a dependent because you don't have anything you need to work for, now.

just like marcus said. if you get that you figured out the system and you're not doing anyone a service. >> will figure this out but that's what we do. you have civilians run it and they don't speak militarily. that's the beautiful part of our civilian medicine. they want to help you and treat you but to a soldier you can't coddle them. veterans inside the va and overwhelming the va system right now are at the end of the world work to iraq, vietnam, korea in our generation has not entered the va system yet. we are not aged enough to have the problems but that wave, when it crashes on the beach will scuttle the va. it's not prepared or set up in the va can't get out of their own way. pete: is part to get the veterans their own choice? winston churchill said americans do the right thing after they tried every thing else. [laughter] >> well said. pete: there we go.

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