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this is like a second july 4th. fireworks, the whole deal. president trump firing back after iran says it will not only boost its uranium enrichment but threaten further violations of the 2015 nuclear deal. iran ramping up pressure on european leaders to ease sanctions and resent the terms of that agreement. president trump pulled the u.s. out of that deal, a little bit more than a year ago now, and he is warning iran to be careful. watch. >> iran is doing a lot of bad things. remember this, the obama agreement was supposed to be the most foolish agreement that you will ever find. that expired. iran will never have a nuclear weapon. >> harris: secretary of state mike pompeo tweeted this. "iran's latest expansion of its nuclear program will lead to further isolation. the nation of wrist thrower at the long-standing

standard of no enrichment for iran's nuclear program." so every going forward or backwards? >> brad: we have to remember how. this was the agreement for national security council. this wasn't a ratified treaty. president obama capitulated to an international body. it was the national security council. we were not bound as a nation to this agreement. surely iran has made our constitution and understands what binds precedence. it's not international agreements. >> harris: you think iran has looked that deeply? or do they just want what they want? and are they serious about uranium enrichment. further, is that a redline? >> brad: i think they are playing chicken and it's a dangerous game. what we have to realize, president trump has done what few presidents have done. and that is he means what he says. he is taking it to our enemies and our adversaries in a way that has never been done before as far as making them

accountable for the agreements they made. >> harris: i want to give jessica a quick chance before we go around the couch to respond. >> jessica: i think it's important to acknowledge that if iran had not violated the terms of the treaty, that something high-ranking officials in the american and administration have admitted. mike pompeo himself, morgan ortagus, they admitted that just weeks ago. by president trump pulling out of the deal we have put ourselves and our allies in this difficult position. iran was not on their way to a nuclear weapon until we pulled out, and now it's on germany, france, and the u.k. to decide what they are going to do to deal with this. respectfully, and -- >> melissa: can i respond to that? i disagree with everything you just said, not surprisingly. the reason they hadn't violated it is because they could basically do anything they want. another obama-biden lie would be anytime, anywhere inspections. it's like "if elected keep your doctor, you can keep your

doctor." it wasn't any time, anywhere. it was only where iran said. that didn't include military installations where they were most likely doing this work. eventually when there were enough complaints, they allow the iranians to collect their own samples. president obama told us they will be able to go through the real inspectors. they collected their own samples. this is one reason why -- >> jessica: but there's no evidence. >> melissa: they won't let anyone go there. it wouldn't have. you have to go there and get the sample. and that's -- >> jessica: then why did they keep saying they weren't right violating the deal? people part of the trump administration saying that they weren't violating it? >> melissa: because it didn't stop them from doing all these things. in exchange for the deal, they got all this money could go out and sponsor terrorism with. >> harris: we don't have eyes on -- >> melissa: they could do it around the world. >> harris: we don't know what they were doing in the interim. if we could cut a better deal maybe we could get eyes on

something. where are we in all this? >> carley: i think the u.s. -- we know what the trump administration stance is on this. status quo, for now. european leaders, where they stand is really the question. they have two options. either they came to iran's blackmail and pressure and side with the u.s. i think they will side with the u.s. they were protesting in the berlin to oppose the iranian government. great britain will get a new conservative prime minister. ultimately i think they are playing with fire here and they are going to get burned. you can't stand up against the whole world. >> harris: here's a phrase -- and i previously asked about this. i don't know if we live at a time where a redline means what it used to mean. but it used to mean that if you crossed it, you get hit in some sort of way. i don't know if that's diplomatically, more sanctions, what it would look like. if we find out that iran is actually enriching at a greater level, if they are weapons- weapons-grade-capable more than ever before in a short little while, with that be a redline? what do you think would be due?

>> brad: i think we would have to form a coalition and we have to take out their centers of enrichment. similar to what the israelis have done before. >> harris: but how do we approach that? melissa make such a great point, we haven't had eyes on all of those places. so are you talking about going in on the ground? how are we going to know? >> brad: we have to take them at their word. they are telling us that -- >> jessica: we can't take them on their word about anything. the six they have weapons grade uranium. though everything is this -- we know they have prevented inspections. >> harris: to have to go in, is my point, brad. >> brad: if necessary, yes, we do. it's in our allies' interests that they do not possess weapons-grade uranium. enough to make -- >> harris: do you think we can get a better deal? that this president can negotiate a better deal? >> brad: yeah, but we can't do it alone. we need a coalition of willing partners. by the way, it shows you how important our signatory was that agreement, because we pulled

out -- what about the others? >> harris: that is so true. where's everybody else on this? still doing business. because you've talked about that on the couch. >> melissa: that's right, that's the money i was talking about. doing business around the world and getting revenue from that. it's israeli intelligence that has infiltrated the country and tried to come up with indications of where they have moved these facilities to. once they built over the top of places like that, and we know that from the satellite video. president trump not giving up in his fight to get a citizenship question added to to the 2020 census. after hitting a roadblock in the supreme court, the doj now shaking up its legal team trying the case. officials say a new team of lawyers is taking over the case today. last week the nation's highest court barred the inclusion of a citizenship question, at least for now. the drg saying it will keep trying to find legal grounds to force it onto the next census. acting citizenship and immigration services director

ken cuccinelli believes the president will get his way. >> i do think so. i think the president has expressed determination. he has noted that the supreme court didn't save it couldn't be asked, they said they didn't appreciate the process by which it came forward the first time. so the president is determined to fix that and to have it roll forward in the 2020 census. >> melissa: brad, i'm not surprise he's taking up the team, because that was in the basement. when it came to the administration, when it came out the reason they were denying it was because of -- the way it was presented was basically disingenuous. can they come back from that? >> brad: sure, they can pay the premium don't ask up in courses to come back if necessary. if they do press the issue, and the question is added even as an addendum to the printed forms, it's going to reach them in one area. otherwise it will be included in the cycle. they have another ten years to wait before you can add it again. the president understands there's a timeline. there is a fixed date, a

drop-dead date as far as inclusion. in the president is going to do the best he can, i'm sure, to include that question. >> harris: what does this get us? i understand that the political ramifications, because the democrats are talking about tha. what does this get us as a country? why do we need that question so badly? >> brad: we have to find out how many people are here, and not only does it affect budgeting, it also affect law enforcement. >> harris: how many people won't answer a question? because it's not illegal not to answer it, it's only illegal to lie. if people skip that question, would we be under closer to knowing? if you are here illegally, are you really going to answer the question? >> brad: of the more reason why support to have that on there. with the people answer the question. >> jessica: but they're not going to come is what harris is saying. >> brad: i disagree. if you are an american citizen, why wouldn't you? >> jessica: but were not talking about american citizens. >> carley: so the process of elimination? >> brad: the point is we have every right to answer that question. it's got a right, it's an

obligation to find out how many americans are legally here. for a whole myriad of reasons. the most important is conversion of redistricting, for budgeting and allocation of money to states. >> jessica: those are separate things. one, contemptuous. the other, legitimate. allocation of federal funds for social services is important. the people here, their children go to school, they go to the hospital. we must know it for that. the president even said a quiet part out loud by accident last week, he completely undermined the case that has doj had made when he said, "this is for redistricting." >> melissa: that's what nancy pelosi said, as well. >> jessica: well, right. >> melissa: if he said it by accident under his breath, so did she. >> jessica: but the doj had been making an argument that it wasn't about that. the president sang the part that nancy pelosi said -- >> harris: i feel like we are going around in circles. >> jessica: one more thing, there was a republican strategist who passed away who had written a memo in 2016 that got through to steve bannon and crisco

batch, and are gated that we ned for the redistricting to make sf minorities are underrepresented. >> harris: you made your point. gerrymandering is something we've already heard. we want to go back to this idea, if you are here illegally, you are likely not going answer the question. >> carley: the thing that -- i don't think a lot of people are talking about this, that if you do answer the question, if you are here illegally -- >> harris: what happens next? >> carley: nobody is allowed to act on that. so it's like you illegally get in trouble and get removed from the country. why not ask the question and then write out if you are here legally? don't lie, you will get in trouble for it. >> harris: that's interesting. i had not heard that argument. that's interesting. because if you amend the question, my point is that the president doesn't really lose either way. in all of this. because i don't know that we will necessarily get to a greater number than what we

already know. >> melissa: before we answer that, can you play the sound point? it addresses that very point. listen to that. >> we don't want her to be missed for sure. rainbow needs to be counted. we have a lot of broader problems. the supreme court has ruled, let's move forward. we shouldn't install the census and we need to make sure the information we are collecting is protected. >> melissa: that the information is protected. if you say, just as harris was saying, if you answer, "i am not a citizen," that it won't go any further. even with somebody saying that, does anyone believe it? >> brad: the fact of the matter is we shouldn't think in the negative, we should think of the positive. the question has a precedent. >> harris: i like that! >> brad: let's not prejudge people whether they will be honest. let's assume that the question is legitimate, it should be asked, and it's up to the person to answer the question. so i believe that the majority of people answer in the affirmative. they won't be counted. but i don't believe that we should be knuckling under to

democrats who say that there is an ill intent in asking the question of how when people are here. that's the whole point -- >> harris: what do you think of carley's idea of broadening up the question at explaining to people, if you answer honestly you will get in trouble? >> brad: i agree. the question is, how will it be spent by the democrats? >> jessica: but that's correct, we are not a bunch of pollyannas. you have jeff sessions ordering ice rates, there's a bunch of people who can potentially be picked up by ice or out. do you think people are going to believe on the government form and no one will come for you? when their families getting separated? people are getting picked up? >> harris: wait, wait, i bring room to this just for you. roughly 3 million removals of former deportations, as they've been called, took place on president obama was in office. more than any other president. >> jessica: has come of the deported in chief. >> harris: right, that was his nickname. don't act like we haven't looked at these issues before, and the

burdens on the systems, and ways to make it better for people who were coming. i like her positive attitude. >> jessica: but don't act like they're in such a level of distraught distrust toward president trump and his attorney general -- 's view and you probably have a level of distrust anyway if you are here illegally. because you know you are here illegally prayed that the point. >> jessica: so don't act like someone is going to take a box and acknowledge the government, that they will take them at their word and not come for them. >> melissa: if you're here legally or probably not answering the front door to the census at all. that's just my gut. meantime, a top immigration official says ice is ready to deport some 1 million illegal immigrants after the president delayed the move last month. when this could happen, and the reaction. plus, joe biden and kamala harris circling each other in south carolina as the former vp apologizes for remarks he made about segregationist senators. harris' reaction and whether the mea culpa was mystery

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♪ >> harris: joe biden was in south carolina yesterday explaining why he waited so long to apologize for his comments about working with segregationist lawmakers. back in the 1970s. the democratic front runner took heat over those remarks, you may know, from some of the most prominent african-americans in the 2020 race. here is that apology, delivered saturday to a largely black audience in sumter, south carolina. >> somehow the impression of people that i was praising those

men i successfully opposed. yes, i was. i regret it. and i'm sorry for the pain and misconception. [applause] >> harris: senator kamala harris, who was also crisscrossing the state of south carolina, applauded biden but she didn't let him completely off the hook. >> he is right to recognize the impact of his words, and i applaud him for doing that. having the courage to do it. if there is disagreement between he and i, that remains, which is that part that is a very significant part, i believe, about that whole era. >> harris: meanwhile, senator cory booker expressed gratitude for biden's apology, but also said he is "frustrated that it took so long." so what was cooking in the oven while we were waiting for the apology? >> brad: win as an apology not

an apology? when it's forced and contrived. he has let a lot of time go by before facing it. why? because he's got his finger in the air to determine which way the political wind is blowing. he's forced to make this apology prayed quite frequent, the people running against him didn't give him a pass. they were kind of tepid and they remarks after he did apologize. >> harris: they are politically probably, brad, not likely to give him a pass because it's working for them. kamala harris just shot straight up and part of it was taking on joe biden. it's not on policy. >> jessica: she raised a couple million dollars in the days immediately after the debate because of the segregationist comment, and the conversation about busing, which also has continued to go on. i don't think this is a big issue for joe biden. if you look at how the poles have leveled out over the weekend, the epc and "washington post" poll, he is still front writer status. and elizabeth warren and kamala harris are now tied in the low teens. he was right to make the apology because he is on record now and can move on. that's the issue, you want to

move past things that are dogging you. for joe biden loyalists, i do think this is something they are not going to be moving past, vis-a-vis, s, for a while there >> harris: we are starting to see a trend. i like to look for trendlines. like fashion! [laughter] first, you've got the movement of women who said, "oh, my gosh, i didn't like the way he touched me, hugged me, whatever." and instead of apologizing he takes them some time to get beyond, "i didn't intend it." like it's all about him. finally we get to the port don't like point where he got to "i'm sorry." why is it taking him so long to get to reality? if you just say you're sorry and move on, jessica says you can move on. >> melissa: i don't think he's used to campaigning in this area and i think everything about his campaign is very slow. the thing that is the most telling and maybe you can respond to this is the idea that he has never won control of madera. there's never been a day where he setting the tone, said an

issue, where he is the one who put out there what we are talking about. he's always responding. i don't know -- until you can control the narrative, until you are out there getting people to talk about what you want to talk about, you have no chance of winning the election. >> carley: that is something president trump was so good as. he was so in control. i think the reason he didn't apologize was he knew he didn't really do anything wrong. when he was saying was, "you can work with people even as horrible and disgusting as these segregationist senators." he wasn't applauding the by any means. >> harris: he should have said that, because his party has moved forward. i agree with melissa. i don't know if they move forward, but they call the progressives. their litmus test now is

river you are left enough on the issues. i'm wondering who in the party can win like that. >> brad: here's the problem with joe biden -- his party has long passed him by and philosophy. but also, as a front runner, you tend to be very cautious. you tend to not want to go beyond in your market you've made. and you hope -- >> jessica: you said that his party -- >> brad: being too cautious is a problem for a front runner. >> carley: you say the party passed them up but he still front runner. he started to play the moderates. i think there are more moderate democrats out there than the progressive -- >> harris: can i ask you about the word fulsome? uses it. it leads you to believe when he says he waited until he got to south carolina. this thing was baking. red-hot. it wasn't going away. so my question is, what is that fulsome? why is it better to go to a place where there are black people in the audience? there are black people all over the country. you could have just tweeted his apology. if you wanted to reach a lot of people of color, why did he wait

until he got to south carolina? was at political expedience? >> jessica: i think he was taking the temperature of how long this controversy was going to go on. that he wanted to be face-to-face with his core demographic voting block. he says he is by far and away the leader in south carolina. he's doing well there, he has the support of much of the infrastructure. if you want to nitpick at it and he want to have issues with that we did it coming up so we can. but carley -- >> harris: i'm talking about time. he waited until south carolina. >> jessica: he waited until it was clear. the important thing to consider is the matchup against president trump. they change this weekend. all the democrats were beating him until the latest set of polling, and how joe biden is the only one outside of the margin of error. if democrats are focused on electability, judging by what happened in 2018 when we elected moderates, 35 of 40 people who won their seats were moderates, joe biden is still clearly the front-runner. >> harris: melissa? >> melissa: i think you're making a point that he tried to say what carley said, which is --

>> jessica: he did, yes. >> melissa: that wasn't good enough. >> jessica: for some people. >> harris: it wasn't far left enough. it wasn't what you said, which was so eloquent. the >> carley: thank you! [laughs] >> harris: of course! it wasn't that. >> jessica: he said, "i abhor their views, but i still had to work with them." >> carley: he's getting hit on all sides. with the hugging, with this. if it's not this, it'll be a small issue coming down the pipeline. this will be a big problem for him. he handled this went to the best of his ability. whether or not the apology is going to work is tbd. >> harris: will move on. house speaker nancy pelosi is facing some pushback after criticizing four freshman democrats who voted against the border bill. now those congresswomen, including alexandria ocasio-cortez, are also firing back. plus, a top immigration official now says i.c.e. is ready to deport 1 million illegal immigrants who had been ordered by court police.

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♪ >> melissa: new science of the trump administration is preparing to act on president trump's plan for mass deportation of illegal immigrants. the president signed just days ago that the plan would be starting fairly soon after he delayed it last month. now acting director of u.s. citizenship and immigration services, ken cuccinelli, is warning that authorities are ready to deport those who have already been ordered to leave the country. watch. >> they are ready to perform their mission, which is to go and find and detain and then deport the approximately 1 million people who have final removal orders. the one to cuccinelli yesterday also hitting congress were complaining about the border crisis without acting

to address it. calling it the height of hypocrisy. jessica, does it make a difference that these people have had their day in court? that they have exhausted every stay that they have? every opportunity, and now our system of law says they can't say? >> jessica: i think it does make a difference. jeh johnson was talking about this over the weekend, as well. there is a difference between -- and i'm not sure what the gradation, what the scale was to what they would have had to do while they were in the u.s. not crossing the border as a crime, but having -- >> melissa: right, right. >> jessica: but if you are to make the case, and the majority of americans agree, for the 11 million to 50 million here illegally but have not committed a crime on u.s. soil, to say that they do have to be some lines drawn in the sand. but this will add to the argument we are talking about sense is that if i.c.e. is going to go round and round people up, there's going be more digging in and more opposition to this demonstration what's going on at the border and all of that. the timing is not ideal for the

trip administration, if they want progress on their goals for the border and certainly on the census question. >> brad: the number one job of government is to prevent harm. not merely respond to it. we've got a crisis on the border and a lot of it has to do with the fact that we can't solve their own problems. the executive branch is just doing what it is charged to do, to enforce the law. why should we have sympathy for people who have come into our country illegally, taken our services away from people who need services, and then compound their crime initially by ignoring the process? the legal process? >> melissa: it would make that argument even more simply, people come to this country because we have the rule of law and they are fleeing other places where they don't feel safe because the rule of law has broken down. so maybe, carley, one of the worst things you can do for people who want to come here to be safe is to sacrifice our own system of laws. then no one is safe. >> carley: and ken cuccinelli said yesterday to dana perino,

"it's crazy that we were at a point, in american society, that ice is doing their job and it's like this shocking thing." at the same time politically -- and this is what jessica was talking about, in terms of whether this will be a win for president trump going into 2020 -- a huge win for his base but i think he does need to start making moves towards what independents want to see. when you consider that he could be splitting up families, that didn't work for him last time. it will look bad for him this time around, as well. >> harris: just a couple of things -- based on this conversation, we are going to have to change the laws. based on what you were saying, jessica, we will have to do what some democrats are calling for, which is no longer illegality to come across our border even when you know you did it illegally. we will have to say that if we are going to make work what democrats want to have work. at the end of the day, what is our goal here? >> brad: our goal should become brands of immigration reform. it's got to be securing our

borders. >> harris: asylum laws, too, brad. what you said, most people come here for rule of law? no, most are coming here for money. they want jobs. they want a better economy. that currently right now is not covered by asylum-seeking. >> brad: and that's not what they are getting sitting in a detention cell. the point of the matter is that unless we have a respect for the rule of law, for people who are citizens, and for people who seek to come here, than the whole system breaks down. but it's incumbent upon republicans and democrats to solve the global issue of immigration. to deal with people who have come here and overworked. in certain instances, we are complicit. we have been complicit. >> harris: i wrote down what you said. "we can't seem to solve their own problems." quote of the deal. nancy pelosi has to miss the social media clout of congresswoman alexander, sea of cortez after she and other freshman democrats voted against

emergency aid package for the southern border. the spigot of the near times, "all these people have their public whatever in their total world, but they didn't have any following. there are four people, and that's how many votes they got." cassio cortez fired back with "that public whatever is called public sentiment, and wielding the power to shift it is how we actually achieve meaningful change in this country." jessica? >> jessica: i stand with my speaker. i think nancy pelosi did absolutely the right thing. she was put in a bad position because of what happened in the senate, that they ended up having to sign the bipartisan bill. but she is absolutely correct. i think it's wonderful for everybody to use social media to the best of their ability and to be projecting their messages, but the reality is, as we talked about earlier, 35 of 40 seats that we won back won back in 2018 were moderate. part of the new democratic coalition. alex enterococci of cortez,

rashida tlaib, ilhan omar, those are safe seats. if you want to keep the house, lucy mcbeth to lose your seat come 2020. this isn't a guarantee. focusing on it, building on obama's climate plan, maintaining obamacare, doing smart fixes, not medicare for all, that's where the majority of americans are. >> harris: is so democrats and eggs been speaking with, if you ignore that millennial voice, it will be to the peril of democrats. i will tell you why. because it's projected in 2020 that they will the biggest generation numbers our country has ever seen. how do you bridge the gap? i don't know how much nancy pelosi is about "twitta." >> brad: for nancy pelosi, she's letting the inmates run the asylum. she's got this young group of insurgents, i call them. an imaginary fact

, they boldly admit, they are democrat socialists. that's what they said. bernie sanders in the lead up to a speech said that -- >> harris: yes, huge millennial following. >> brad: you can't appease these people. you've got a for something. >> jessica: they were elected, so i would push back on the insurgent comments. >> melissa: i also think it's all for show. i don't think nancy is letting them run the asylum. i think they sit there and barked back and forth at each other and it serves both of their purposes, to bark back and forth. she looks more moderate, she looks like she's holding the wheel, the young guns look like they are being rebels and they are doing their things, and i give nancy pelosi a ton of credit for coming to the table and signing and having the vote and doing what she needed to do in order to move forward. and she like somebody was -- she was forced to do it, but she could have thrown up her hands and stopped the whole thing in its tracks. we have to work together if we are going to find a solution. >> carley: my quick take on this is that i understand her frustration with ocasio-cortez.

oh ocasio-cortez is so on the money when it comes to social media. she and president trump only have that in common. they both dominate on the twitter platform. >> harris: and speaking of -- no, this has nothing to do with that. [laughter] starbucks is brewing up a controversy after six police officers were asked to leave one of its stores. the response from the police and the coffee chain, next. ♪ this is the story of john smith. not this john smith.

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♪ >> jessica: another controversy brewing with starbucks. on july 4th, an employee at the tempe, arizona, store approach six police officers and told them the customer didn't feel comfortable in their presence, asking them to get out of the customer's line of sight or leave. officials met with the police over the weekend. an executive release a statement in writing part, "on behalf of starbucks, i want to sincerely apologize to you all. what occurred in our store on july 4th is never the experience

your officers or any customer should have, and at starbucks we are already taking the necessary steps to ensure this doesn't happen again in the future." >> harris: there is so much i want to say about that. >> jessica: than i shall go goo you. >> harris: i think about it a couple ways. what if you are in trouble? he will still common one. those same officers though a great show up and you will be so glad when they do. because something has been broken in the chain. right? something's wrong pair that's one point of it. what if it's a different manager on? and the manager doesn't like black people? are we going to get a situation where i have to leave for my family has to leave based on the fact -- "well, you work at a place we don't agree with." how far will he go with this? this is beyond starbucks. who do be accepted now presents? and how can one person make a difference like that? and you know what was wrong because i do apologize. >> melissa: the mission of polices must be protect and serve come as you said. if there's a crisis they are the

ones who will come and help. when you get to the point where you reinforce the idea by someone else if they are not there, to protect and serve, that they are there for -- what mission is so threatening? inside a starbucks? that you're going to say, "i need you to leave?" >> harris: are they getting free coffee no one else is getting? i'm being facetious. >> brad: it's beyond cops. it's the intolerance of other people that is unacceptable in america. whether it's cops, whether you say it's african-americans. what is it going to be that offends me, and my rates become superior to yours? that's not what we are about. >> harris: and who has that power, brad? is it somebody managing that day? and starbucks is that much powe power? >> brad: the training, that starbucks -- >> harris: a member when they were talking about racial relations? what happened to the cubs? i everybody was welcome. >> carley: we are talking about this story, the same day we woke up and learned that police officer in georgia was

killed in the line of duty. 24 police officers killed so far this year. you think about how a police officer puts on informant doesn't know if he is going to -- if you are she is going to come home with the end of the shift. then they also have to say something like this? it's so infuriating. i'm surprised this isn't a bigger story that is right now. that there isn't even more outraged of this. >> jessica: it is part of the national conversation we're having right now about black lives matter and -- >> harris: absolutely. i have to talk to that mentor. >> jessica: obviously, 24 officers shot in the line of duty is unacceptable. but you're right, this is our national conversation. he released it would happen with nike, with the betsy ross flag, wit colin kaepernick was standing for, megan rapinoe. we'll talk about the world cap next. >> harris: do see these things being aligned? >> jessica: i see them as interconnected. >> harris: seek out of your conversation. we still don't know, what was

the point that made that person feeling comfortable? >> jessica: i don't think you have interview with the person come we don't have time now. we want that customer was right over the others? >> jessica: i imagine it contextualizing it it's about fear that people have police officers relating to this argument, that there's a police brutality program. >> harris: my parents would tell me that if the current drink out of certain water fountains, people would clutch the purses when they saw people look at me go by. are we going forward or not? >> jessica: i think a lot of people would say we are moving forward. >> brad: the good news here is >> harris: think on the circle to give it. you are so positive. >> carley: this is a positive couch! >> jessica: another positive team, the u.s. women's soccer team won yesterday. i hope you're all watching, record world cup victory. it sparked an immediate call for equal pay in the arena. the men's team makes nearly three times as much per match and they've never won a world cup. we'll talk about that next.

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[crowd chanting] >> carley: the u.s. women's world cup victory setting off immediate call for equal pay from the stadium crowd. the women beat the netherlands 2-0 in the final, earning their fourth historic title. the victory comes as the women's team is suing the u.s. soccer federation for gender discrimination. focusing on the pay gap between the men and women teams. the u.s. soccer says the women are paid less because their games bring in less revenue and lower ratings. but according to the federation's own financial records, it shows that the women's team generated more total revenue than the men in the three years that the 2015 world cup. here is star midfielder megan rapinoe earlier today. >> may be for once, god forbid we be overpaid. maybe that could just happen one time, and we will see how it goes from there. >> obviously brought the lawsuit, but this sort of blows it out of the water. is even about that anymore? it's not about your great thing.

>> carley: we have a lot of thoughts. i don't know who to go to. i will go to come here is. >> harris: i will be quick. the men lost last night, i'm disappointed that. the women are getting tired of winning. [laughter] he said to look at the numbers. her but he said he must mean money or readings. a means all of it, winning counts, all salsa. the number of victories, it's impressive. we have the same conversation with women in tennis. because it's three sets versus the men's five, do make and would equal? look, it's about the production. the product. >> melissa: their ratings are up to most of it early today when the ratings numbers came i in. everywhere he went, men were watching, people are watching. that's what i love, when you look at the number of men around the country who were watching the women's match and in all of them when they wouldn't sit down and watch a men's match. that's why they should be making more money. >> carley: that is so true! was watching with my husband at

a bar and we had to get there early because there were so many people trying to get in. speaking of numbers -- >> harris: you were there! >> carley: and there were just as many men in the stands as there were women. the prize money for this world cup, the women's world cup, was $30 million. with the men's world cup last year? $400 million. will it ever be equal? >> jessica: with that kind of disparity? >> brad: i have a suggestion. i think they should down attempt to renegotiate their deal. >> jessica: i think megan rapinoe would object to that. [laughter] >> harris: i don't know, if the end result... >> brad: there is no reason why women would be paid anywhere less than men. the sheer eyeball seeing this now, i think women deserve equal pay. >> melissa: the number is justified, that's what important. the numbers justified. the revenue, the winning, ratings, whatever it is. >> jessica: endorsement deals. >> melissa: every way you calculated, they deserve it.

>> jessica: they spent more on the women's world cup that on the men's world cup. and i was of the men's world cup in russia last summer. which was amazing. i did on a daily basis, because my boyfriend is russian. the men didn't even qualify, the investment. it was exciting. it's great, all of that. billie jean king got on it, selena williams. >> harris: across women's tennis. the number one jerseys there. >> carley: very exciting topic. i guess we can all say go usa on this one. more "outnumbered" in just a moment. (ding) hey, who are you? oh, hey jeff, i'm a car thief... what?! i'm here to steal your car because, well, that's my job. what? what?? what?! (laughing) what?? what?! what?! [crash] what?! haha, it happens. and if you've got cut-rate car insurance,

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>> melissa: our thanks to brad blickman. your first time on the couch, would you think? >> brad: i hope you have me back. >> melissa: you thought it was smooth enough? not a rough ride?

>> brad: all good. >> melissa: will get a cocktail afterward! we are back here on the couch at noon eastern tomorrow. but now, here's harris. >> harris: we have new details on president trump's renewed push to include a citizenship question on the 2020 census. the justice department has replaced its legal team to get it done. you're watching "outnumbered overtime" now. and harris faulkner. president trump doubling down on his effort to include a question on the next u.s. census. it appears to be a reversal for the administration. the commerce department had said it was dropping the cause after hitting a roadblock in the u.s. supreme court. then yesterday the president said it's ridiculous not to include the question. watch. >> they are asking everything, except "are you a citizen of the united states?" how ridiculous is that? we are moving forward. we have a couple of avenues, we can do a memorandum, we could do an executive order. we are looking