left this evening. we'll never be the rage, destroy, hate trump media. let not your heart be troubled. there she is, laura ingraham is next. we'll see you back here tomorrow night. ♪ >> laura: i'm laura ingraham and this is "the ingraham angle" from washington tonight. mollie hemingway, carrie severino, coauthors of the number one book on amazon tonight, and they are here to take us behind the scenes of the kavanaugh confirmation fight, including the length to which christine blasey ford went to scrubber social media before she made her accusation. plus what first lady melania trump really thought of the plane. on miss those. we have a shocking video of a brutal fight at disneyland that is the talk of the country and tonight, the man who broke up their brawl reveals why so few others tried to intervene. but first, the democrats' rays

to the bottom. that is the focus of tonight "angle" ." it's becoming increasingly obvious that the party of jfk has become the party of aoc. come on, all the in excitement as with the far left. people like freshman congresswoman ilhan omar, rashida tlaib, ayanna pressley, and of course, ocasio-cortez. you know, all of those lovely, peace-loving folks who refused to condemn antifa despite its members' violent attacks on innocent people. they are the loudest voices in the room and yet they don't have strength in numbers. but they have chutzpah and a huge social media and print. and they can kick up a fuss better than almost anyone on issues ranging from abortion to borders to raise. >> they are choosing to not allow asylum-seekers to go through the legal process.

>> trying to manipulate the state laws in order to impose their beliefs on an entire society. >> hateful rhetoric, hateful behavior! racist words and racist policies! >> do you believe president trump is a racist? >> yeah, yeah, no question. >> laura: while these young turks are kind of fun to watch as they scrounge for any marshal of attention, they have gone so far left, so fast, they sent speaker pelosi reaching for her heart pills. now about their vote against border facility funding, speaker pelosi told "the new york times" maureen dowd, all these people have their public whatever and their twitter world but they didn't have any following, talking about the vote. they are four people and that is how many votes they got. well, aoc punched back on twitter, basically saying that pelosi does not understand the power of social media. kind of sounds like like

donald trump there. while attempting to take pelosi's aside against the aoc allergens, she is no one to blame but herself. why do i say this? because pelosi fertilized the soil for a aoc and her socialist friends of sprung. she enabled them, and she still is doing it. speaking on president trump's demand for the citizenship question to be included in the senses, madame speaker sounded like aoc. >> this is about keeping -- you know, the hat, make america white again. they want to make sure that people, certain people, are counted. it's really disgraceful. and it's not what our founders had in mind. and it's not -- we can decide who we are as a people, who are we? what is america? >> laura: what is america? well, it's not clamoring for racial bond there was, i don't

think. nancy leads a party determined, though, to beat trump no matter what they have to beat down to get there. even their own parties former v vp. well, jill biden slapped back at kamala harris last night. >> i mean, the one thing you cannot say about joe is that he's a racist. as soon as i heard those words -- >> she said not a racist brought -- >> as soon as i heard those words, i thought, what is coming next. the american people know joe biden. they know his values, they know what he stands for. and they didn't buy it. >> laura: probably not. she thinks she's right about that. all the racial fearmongering, carried out by the poison tongue to prima donnas of the left smells of desperation and looks like defeat. but the democrats have made a calculation that if they can stop black people from voting for trump, they will win in 2020, if they have to stop even 5% more voting for trump.

let's face it, what else are they going to try to argue? that trump's economy isn't in terrific shape? good luck. here is bet founder robert johnson on how the economy is helping all americans. >> i give the president a lot of credit for moving the economy in a positive direction that thats benefiting a lot of americans. i think the tax cuts clearly help stimulate the economy. overall, if you look at the u.s. economy, and you look at the number of people who are no longer looking for jobs, but are now sort of seeing the opportunities for job growth, you got to give the president an a+ for that. >> laura: a+. but democrats, of course, will say, yeah, it's a good economy, robert, but more rich people like you, because nobody else is invested in the market criminal pension funds, nothing like that, no 401(k)s. i think it's time for a "the ingraham angle" fact-check. [belding and]

nearly 2 million more hispanics are employed then when barack obama left office. and minorities account for more than half of all jobs created during the trump presidency. unemployment among black women has hovered near 5% for the last six months, the lowest since 1972. that is just simply awesome. so how do democrats argue against that? well, michelle obama gave us a pretty strong clue over the weekend, as she reminisced about sitting on that horrible stage during trump's inauguration. >> to sort of said at that inauguration and to look around at a crowd that was not reflective of the country. it was just such the opposite of what -- because during barack's inauguration, we made sure that the crowds looked like all of america. you know, having the tuskegee airmen, having civil rights folks, having folks who had

marched. you could look out at his crowd and you would see america, all of it. >> laura: wait a second. i did not realize that the obamas handpicked the entire audience at the inauguration. that's a lot of picking. but you get the point. without saying the words, she is calling donald trump a racist. absolutely pathetic. now i don't think it worked in 2016 and it won't work with an economy that is booming for minority workers. >> the party, in my opinion, has moved, for me, personally, too far to the left. if a democrat is going to beat trump, that person, he or she, is going to have to move to the center, and you can't wait too long to do that, because the message of some of the programs that the democrats are pushing are not resonating with the majority of the american people. >> laura: but you know what is

is? peace and prosperity. trump's approval rating in in e latest rcp average match is a two year high of 45, and is at 47%, a new "washington post" abc poll. imagine what might be if he had a press that was even modestly objective every once in a while. we'll never know. right now, i see 2020 has a choice the politics of relentless racial division versus trump's refreshing economic vision. a vision that has created more opportunities for minorities in america than obama and bush beforehand. and that's the "angle." joining out the reaction, horace cooper, coach frederick 21 and richard goodstein, former clinton advisor. all right, richard, democrats claimed to be the party of facts and science, yet they are in denial mode when it comes to visit economy. what do you say about the minority jobs numbers, which are stunning, and it's great news for people who've been out of work, and the fact that women,

especially black women, who are often the breadwinners and their family, have this almost, i think, record the last 50 years unemployment number. it is just -- i was stunned to read those numbers. >> those numbers were virtually that good last election day. >> laura: you are denying the numbers? >> i'm just saying -- >> laura: they had gone the other direction, what would you say? >> i'm just think of are the are positive. what i'm saying is, you tell me why black voters, by 85 or 90%, voted republican in the face of those numbers, and when donald trump went from coast to coast, south to say, act like my name is on the ballot. his name was not technically on it but he said, vote like my name is on the ballot, and black voters did and they voted by 85 or 90% for republican candidates. so you tell me why they did that. to be when you say african-american vote against their economic interest? that would be kind of a

condemnation of black people. >> i'm saying, like all voters, they look at kind of the whole universe of things and they have a president who stood up for nazis in charlottesville. >> laura: false why! falls! he did not stand up for nazis! that is not what he said! that is a lie! when did he say the word nazi? >> he said they were good people on both sides. they were bearing torches and saying, "be 23 will not replace us." >> laura: you think donald trump leaves are? >> i think donald trump believes -- black americans -- >> laura: i don't think you actually believe that. >> donald trump is so taunted by his face that if he actually -- his face would say -- that is why he doesn't. >> laura: i think this is why nancy pelosi and some democrats

are pretty smart are getting nervous of what you just said. i don't think america buys that trump it as a nazi, trump racis racist. so i guess you would have relied on the polls last election. >> the generic ballot last year showed democrats winning by 9 and they do today for the 2020 elections. >> laura: horace, on this point of where the democrats are on race, richard -- and what he said what he said because we are seeing a preview of where this is going. they cannot win on the economy. obama was not the deliverer of all great things for minority workers. we know that now. we just did not go off at the rate they are coming up under president trump. these numbers are simply stunning for minority americans. they are stunning. so all they have is trump is a racist. that is all they have -- she's a bad person, a racist, and you are a bad person if you vote for him. that is what we are talking about. that is a 2020 election in a nutshell. good luck with that. they tried it in 2016 against

trump and it didn't work! >> in 2018 they tried it with these radicals running in georgia, running in florida, and running in texas. guess what? it wasn't just white americans. black americans refused to vote for black candidates at the top of the ticket because they were talking crazy. one of my favorite authors is charles murray. he wrote a book called "losing ground." that is what could be written, "losing ground 2" for what happened during the focal years of the obama administration. in every single category, black americans lost ground. just like the rest of the country. it is not true that it is -- we are about where we were on election day. the truth is, from 2008 to 2016, a whole lot of people lost a whole lot of their assets, their income, and their livelihood. it started to turn around in the end. >> laura: i want to play what

beto said, his campaign is floundering, he was a pretty boy -- it happens, campaigns are up and down, i get it. he was on the cover of "volga ," kennedy-esque, now he's down into the low single digits. this is where he thinks he can gain traction. watch. >> this country was founded on white supremacy and every single institution and structure that we have in our country still reflects a legacy of slavery, segregation, and jim crow. >> laura: do you agree with that? the country was founded on rights and pharmacy? we have to rename where we are broadcasting from right now. it cannot be washington, d.c. >> look, i think that donald trump and his supporters would love to make this all about reparations and open borders. >> the democrats want to do that. >> laura: let him finish. >> i think what you democrats are trying to do is trying to kind of reach out to as broad a populace as they can. >> laura: you don't think that is a broad --

>> do i? that is not how i would verbalize the kind of foundation of this country, but i know -- he certainly got a point, that slavery helped various people -- >> laura: this is going back to 2016 when jeb bush was out there, and god bless the bushes, they are nice people but when jeb bush was saying gibberish on immigration, act of love -- i mean, republicans -- they were a lot of us conservatives who said, we love you as a person, you did a great job as governor but you are so wrong on this. rise of the democrats have such a hard time going after their people who are never going to be president? he will never be president? why at the democrats criticize their own people? >> we heard about caravans, and that was a loser. >> laura: really? not now. immigration is a top issue in america! >> suburban woman who voted for a drop 16 abandon him in droves in '18 because they were nauseated about the kids in cages. >> laura: the obama cages?

the obama cages? you didn't care about obama cages when obama had the but now that trump has them on the democrats want to do the asylum or form! okay. i guess we can try that. i don't think it is going to work! they'd like to vilify trump in 2016, horace, he's dumb criminal charges or had people who normally are not that political at the white house, no one covers the events, by the way. people -- i covered it. fox shows that. we ran long clips. i had people messaging me saying, when did that happen at the white house? i've never seen that. i said, it happened today. oh, really, because it not been any way. that is part of the little thing that is going on with the media. don't cover that because that actually makes trump look human. i know people want to have a caricature of him and i'm grandstanding. go ahead. >> every single american, black, white -- >> laura: i'm very passionate. i don't like people throwing around the nazi races then, it's done a lot to various people, including me, and it is rude and mean. >> every american both their own interest.

and guess what? when the march on washington, the original march on washington, when martin luther king spoke, it was originally organized as a jobs rally because people want to have control over their lives and their destiny and improve the lives of their family. this is what has happened over the last two years of the trump administration. and they like it and they know it. >> laura: a friend of mine today said that trump should do a national plan to fight homelessness. i'm actually thinking that is actually a good idea. if anyone could defeat homelessness, he might have some chance. in liberal cities, the city, took a box of hair, once a week. we have people sleeping on the streets, tense over all of washington, d.c., why is this happening? i have to wrap this is a great conversation. thank you for being here. remember when then candidate trump poses questions to african-american voters? >> look how much african-american communities have suffered under democratic control.

to those of you the following: what do you have to lose by trying something new like trump? >> laura: well, he is delivering on that promise. my next guest is a minority business owner himself who says there is no denying that african-americans are thriving under trump. ceo of high dramatic technologies corporation, michael brown joins me now. michael, in what ways has your company grown since trump to congress? >> thank you, laura. our company has grown in the sense since trump has taken control of the white house and the presidency, our company has grown in the sense that we have better opportunities now to do it we have been wanting to do for quite some time and, and that is to create manufacturing jobs, objective is to create manufacturing jobs for reopening a former maytag plant to produce

safer products for american consumers and i feel that trump's policies -- i feel he's a very strong and successful businessman. i am more so behind him because he is the person that has helped drive our economy up and he is driven -- unemployment down. i think that when unemployment goes down, and the african-american community, as is proof, it has happened, poverty also, which is related to if you have a job or don't have a job, if you have a job, then you are not prone to commit crimes. i believe that poverty and crimes are tied together. i believe that president trump is doing a great job since he's been in the office of reducing crime amongst african-american communities because more african-americans are at work. >> laura: michael, i think barack obama also promised to see that plant reopened and it did not happen. trump takes on china and starts slapping tariffs on cheap

washing machines and stuff coming in and lo and behold, they have to move some operations back to the united states. it's not happening everywhere, but it's a start, and these are real lives involved, lives of your employees, people in the community who benefit, when one person is at work, they have more money in their pocket to spend. it's a ripple effect across the community. so what you say to people who say, how can you support trump? is a racist or he is this? we hear this nonstop from the mainstream media and you say? >> i say trump is not a racist. he's a businessman. i say he's more of a businessman than a politician. because he is a great businessman, because he is obviously a businessman, i think that his ideology for helping our country become stronger is based upon a sound w basically a business should operate, to be profitable. we should be profitable when we are profitable, our lives are better. i think he is really pushing for american lives to be better,

when it comes to our outsourcin outsourcing, outsourcing our jobs to china and outside of united states, we've made our country weaker. >> laura: michael, thank you so much. best of luck to your company and there is plant reopening. we wish you the best of luck and lots of success in the years to come. thank you for joining us. important perspective. >> thank you. >> laura: up next, untold stories from the kavanaugh confirmation. it seems like yesterday, unbelievable, including the lengths to which christine was a ford went to cover her tracks on social media right before accusation. for the first time, which melania thought of her accusation. mollie hemingway, carrie severino have answers in their brand-new bargaining reveal them ne

♪ >> six background investigation is over 26 years. >> as it relates to the recent allegations, are you willing to help them do that? >> of the witness testimony before you, no witness who is there supports it i was there. >> i will take that as i know and we can move on. >> this is the closes i will ever have in my life to an "i am spartacus" moment. >> to diminish the truth, diminish the issue of sexual harassment in this country, and to again relegate ourselves to

what i believe is a dark, dark element of our society. that, sir, i believe. >> laura: [laughs] it's a bad dream. corey barker, 2020. they were all auditioning for mark 2020. of course, that was during the grandstanding during the kavanaugh hearings. they were trying to get to the bottom of unfounded accusations of against the now sitting supreme court justice, brett kavanaugh. despite kavanaugh's eventual confirmation, democrats and the media laid waste to the process. we were promised investigations into the bad actors and the leaks. remember julie swetnick? michael avenatti? whatever happened to those? joining me now, two people who know the real story, based on real interviews, real reporting with president trump and more than 100 others. gary severino, chief counsel of the dishes crisis network and mollie hemingway, fox news contributor. their new book, number one on amazon, "justice on trial." we are delighted, both of them,

congrats to both of you. i know you worked hard on this book. mollie, let's start with you. we got a leaked letter from it looks like dianne feinstein's office. we were promised in letters from chuck grassley investigations into the leak. what happened? >> chuck grassley did do a good job of recommending to the department of justice that they investigate some of these scurrilous allegations that were made without any merit. nothing happened in the department of justice to our knowledge. >> laura: what is bill barr doing? >> to our knowledge, nothing has been done. nothing has been announced even though you have this leak, and it seems like there was so much interest in the story while it was going on. the media just completely lost interest. >> laura: oh, that's a shock. >> no investigation into what happened. it wasn't just dianne feinstein she circumvented the process. that process was put in place because what happened with clarence thomas and there was the investigation after that that showed there was a democratic leak to get that thing out into the media. >> laura: it keeps happening because there is no repercussions, gary severino.

speak with a repercussions after becoming for the american people. we talked in the book about how we saw some of that in 2018, where you saw people who were really damaged, the moderate democrats who voted against kavanaugh and lost. you some republicans who were really helped by this in the polls because people were so outraged at what they saw, a total miscarriage of justice, not just brett kavanaugh, it was justice on trail. they were saying things that were at odds with due process, presumption of innocence, these basic, fundamental tenets of our society. >> laura: it was a complete train wreck. those hearings -- it was embarrassing, for the country, and audition for kamala harris and cory booker, there was two, more than anyone else, where auditioning for 2020. part of the narrative they are now using on the campaign trail. mollie, you point out in the book that blasey ford went to extreme lengths to cover her tracks, or social media tracks before lobbing these false accusations out kavanaugh. what do you know? >> we show that we had these

presentation at the time the accusations was made that blasey ford was an apolitical person who by all accounts in "the washington post" was a veritable saints. we talk to people who know her, who are friends with her, who say that they recollection how she was in high school, how she was even in the months before this all broke loose was very much at odds with what that media presentation was. highly political person. >> laura: anti-trump liberal. >> openly, validly so. also -- these are people who like her but they remembered her -- >> laura: where she asked this? >> a heavy drinker who was much more aggressive with boys and we were led to believe. now the to not only was she not asked about it, you do not see media coverage. we looked into it and "justice on trial." >> laura: when your scrub or social media profile, that the statement. >> yes. we talk to people who had known what was on that -- the social media feeds and it was very biased and it seems like it was not -- that this was not a deleting my account, it was very carefully done. this is what is interesting about this. time and again, someone who

says, i don't want this to be public about the first person she called to talk about it was "the washington post" tip line. it does not line up with the explanation we got. instead of having it go do something in a confidential manner, it is being broken in "the washington post." >> laura: what about her family? they were not wild about this. her family was not -- >> what we do know is that while everyone who was sitting behind brett kavanaugh was investigated within an inch of their life at his hearing, nobody noticed the fact that there were not family there, they were not -- they did their best to be supportive without saying that they thought what she was saying was true. >> laura: that is a devastating part of this. i heard about on the plane to washington, they were kind of celebrating, i heard all sorts of things from friends of hers and so forth. in the book, you also talk about melania trump, which was fascinating, and her reaction to all of this. you write, "outside of newsrooms, the view was much

different. you know that a woman is lying, don't you, melania said to her husband, echoing a perspective held by millions of the time." melania did not believe it was true. >> first off, it was fun to get some of these behind-the-scenes things not just at the white house, but in the senate. we talked with so many people at the white house and in the senate to get this. what she was saying was not that surprising. she did not think she was credible. millions of americans were saying that. this is not something you were getting if you watch the news media. >> laura: i have to bring this up because conservatives are concerned about brett kavanaugh on the bench. a couple of cases stand out. i had idaho versus cars , he joined with chief justice, with liberals, and it was a plea agreement case, a lot of conservatives saying see the new kennedy? he was recommended by justice kennedy. kennedy was the swing vote. could they have fought for the wrong just as? could this turn out to be another republican slap in the

face, kennedy, not a reliable judicial conservative? these two cases were outrageous. >> i will say, they were cases this term, many fewer cases than justice gorsuch, cited with a liberal spray justice thomas, who we both admire, he had a case this termer he sided with the four liberals. >> laura: was that a seminal case? >> when you look at the key cases, the senses case, the gerrymandering case, the cross case of the religious freedom, some key cases on property rights, these are some of -- the administrative deference -- there were some important areas that he not only voted with a conservative majority but often has some very bold -- >> laura: i had to bring it up because it has been written out. >> it's important to fight for due process regardless. >> laura: absolutely. i can't tell you how many texts i get, oh, my god, we hope that

kavanaugh does not go squish kennedy on us. i get -- don't blame me. should it have been tom hardiman? i won't argue that now. stick a 12 year record on the courts of appeal, what we see just in line with that. keep watching but i predict you will be happy. >> laura: this book is fascinating and it seems like his hearing -- these hearings were yesterday. you guys put it all together, and of course it is number one. congratulations, you deserve all the success of this book. and the hardest to do this real reporting that wasn't done by anybody else. ladies, thank you so much. and in a shocking incident at disneyland this weekend, a family duked it out in the middle of june town. what happened to the happiest place on earth? what happened is going to shock you. we talk to the man who eventually intervened when no one else was when we come back. look here! candace, starkist creations come in over 20 flavors-- right: chicken, salmon, or tuna like my favorite! just tear, eat... mmm-- and go! try my tuna or chicken salad creations. bravo!

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>> [bleep]! >> [bleep]! [bleep]! [bleep]! [bleep]! [yelling] >> laura: absolutely despicable. i don't know if you saw it but there are three toddlers right in the middle of all this. they were obviously terrified and crying, and they themselves could have been seriously hurt. this entire family -- they should be ashamed of themselves. and by the way, no charges have been filed. apparently nobody has been interviewed. everyone else was filming, though, they have a cell phone cameras out and watching. trying to stop a grown man from punching women. that would have been nice. one brave bystander, jason

blair, did step in. he joined me now. jason, it's great to have you on tonight. thank you so much for joining us. what made you stop and? some deadfall you but you are the first one who really stepped in and so many others were hanging back. why? >> the first thing that i noticed when we approach the situation was a gentleman beating up on the lady and just my instinct was that should not happen and something needed to take place and i saw those kids there and i just felt i had to get in there and try to break everything up. >> laura: it seemed like, jason, i should say, you are a high school football coach, i believe. >> yes, ma'am. >> laura: so i already like you. what is amazing about this is that it seemed to go on for an eternity. in reality, three and half minutes. but it was just brutal. one person gets smacked on the

other person throws -- the poor woman falls from a wheelchair, the child is crying, he pulls at other momentarily -- i am watching this going, it's almost like it's fake. it was scarily real. yet security seemed really slow and scanned at disney, which is shocking to me. it is that surprising? >> i think the area that we were in in june town, younger parentd toddlers. more of a difficult area to get into as far as disneyland. i don't know what the protocols are as far as security. it did take a long time. despite -- you look at the video, i think it spans out of . i did not see it until a couple days afterwards when i saw it in its entirety. the guy was extremely violent. he was enraged. he was only attacking the women. i definitely will stand up for that. >> laura: jason, there were a lot of men that just stood

there. there were a lot of men in the video. they are videoing. they are not thinking for a second that they are worried about getting sued, maybe they are worried about getting hit, maybe they are worried about posting a social media. who talk to your values? your parents? where did you learn them? >> definitely my mom, my brother, really taught me to do the things that are right. one of the things i preach to my kids and i preach to my team that i coach, do the right thing, stepan, and there are small, little segments that you can step in and be a hero. we should be helping our fellow man, not hindering them, and filming them, and being on a cell phone. to me, that was baffling that we stepped in, and granted, we did not get into the fight. i never saw the two gentleman fight. we were still in the back of visiting disneyland. we were doing our thing as a family, and when we approached

the situation, as soon as he laid hands on the woman, i knew that was wrong and it's time to step in and at least separate it and to diffuse the situation as best i could. >> laura: jason, thank you. i mean, thank you for doing -- people just use to do it as a matter of course. this could be the best segment we've done in a long time. just hearing you say the word suggested. thank you, and i bet your players love you because you are a role model, not just on the field but off the field. thank you so much for being her here. and the impulse to grab a camera -- absolutely. the impulse to grab a camera and film and not intervene, plus the willingness to brawl in public reveal two issues. the sad reality of what our society is willing to accept, that behavior, and the complete loss of shame. but why is this becoming the new norm? joining us now to analyze, dr. norman friede, a clinical psychologist at columbia university. doctor, why are we seeing this trend of immediately pulling out

cell phones to record violence? rather than an impulse to stop it? >> this is a question, laura. i believe we are becoming a society of bystanders. recognizing that we have bullies, there are bystanders, people that are more prone to pull out their phone and what has what is happening from behind a screen than to put the phone down and reach out in an ethical manner to help those that are in need. we are in a world that is in need of repair. unfortunately people are more involved in looking for that money shot, that moment where they can actually perhaps go viral and posted as opposed to helping those that are actually -- >> laura: we know that is happening, doctor, but why is this happening in your view, giving, given everything that you have read, the changes in the culture, what has changed and perhaps the family, you just heard the football coach say what he was taught. what is going on here? this is a real problem in our society today. >> it absolutely is, laura. i want to say that much of the problem comes from a sense of

not having a strong sense of self. not a strong sense of who we are, what we stand for. as a result, we are more prone to doing what other people are doing in group dynamics. we will end up not standing up for the things we believe in. if we have a stronger sense of what is important to us, and -- >> laura: what is important as posting a social media. isn't it what is right and wrong? wrong? isn't it words that jason said? probably does not have a phd like you do, but right and wrong, the sense of self it is, i want to smash someone across the head. that is what i want to now, that is what that guy thought when he was ripping that girl's hair out. >> that is not a sense of self, that is a sense of impulsivity. that is a need that is being met impulsively. what needs to happen, people have to be much more in touch with what it is that they are trying to do to help those that are in pain. there is an inability for us to restrain our needs and our impulses, and it could come from the way we were raised, could come from the things we see on tv, could come from the things that we feel after we have been to a very difficult thing.

it's very important for us to recognize that there is a significant difference between a fact into feeling. what we feel, we are entitled to. however, we never act on feeling. >> laura: doctor, i know we will have you back because sadly this trend is continuing. there are great people out there who do risk their own lives, frankly, and their own -- being sued as i said, people are worrying about being sued. the lawyers in the lawsuit mania that we have in this country which is disgusting. that is making a lot of people afraid. that is a fact of life, not psychological. >> yet there are very good people in this world and unfortunately we are witnessing some that are full of hubris and rage and want to believe that there are better people with good action inside. hopefully we can all be that way in the future. >> laura: thank you so much. we do have some breaking news tonight on the justice department's grilling of dossier author christopher steele. a revelation about one of steele's sources could be a centerpiece of that forthcoming inspector general report.

the breaking details and moments.

♪ >> laura: we have some breaking news tonight. details of what happened with the doj grilled the author of the anti-trump dossier, christopher steele, for 16 hours last month. according to "the new york times," ig horowitz and his team now now, "by january 2017, fbi agents had tracked down and interviewed one of mr. steele's main sources of

the dossier, a russian speaker from a former soviet republic. after questioning him, fbi officials came to suspect that the man might have added his own interpretation to reports from his own sources that he passed on to steele, calling into question the reliability of the information." despite all this, the fbi still renewed two more fisa warrants on carter page after they knew, should have known, this was all baloney. here now, sol wisenberg, former deputy independent counsel, and a fox news contributor, of course. sol, how big a deal is as a revelation? should they have at least flagged what they learned at the fisa court? >> it depends on what you are talking about. they certainly should have flagged that steele was not reliable because they had already -- they learned about simple statements that he made, that there was a russian consulate in miami, for example,

so it depends on what you're talking about. >> laura: sol, what i just referenced was the issue of this guy's unreliability with a source, not a direct source with direct knowledge, he admits, this guy from a former soviet republics, that he was putting his own spin on facts that he may have gathered from other sources, so it's a more attenuated claim that perhaps that fact should have been flagged to the fisa court when there was actually spying on an american citizen. that is a point i was making. >> it should have unquestionably been flagged if the fbi knew about it and if steele knew about it. the biggest problem, as we pointed out before, is that there was no corroboration of steele's information. it's not enough to corroborate steele. you have to corroborate the actual facts that you are talking about. you have to say, this is the person who reported it, he has been reliable in the past. all they said is that steele was

reliable, which, by the way, he wasn't. they've got bigger problems than this. >> laura: they wanted to give this thing going, sol, they wanted to keep rolling these fisa warrants to help they but get something to then use and what would have been an independent or special counsel investigation or some type of investigation run by some other office at doj. i want to talk about a couple of other issues with you tonight, kind of a legal whip we are doing. jeffrey epstein case, okay? trump's response to the call for his labor secretary, alex acosta, to resign for his hand handling of the epstein case back in 2008. lots. >> you go back 12, 15 years ago, 20 years ago, look at their past decisions. i would think you'd probably find that they would wish they may be did it a different way. i can only say this, from what i know and what i do know is that he's been a great, really great secretary of labor.

the rest of it, we'll have to look at. >> laura: the rest of it, we'll have to look at. that did not sound all that -- ringing endorsement. sol, what do we know? >> they should look at it because what his district did, the southern district of florida u.s. attorney's office, was misled to the victims and head from the victims that they had a nonprosecution agreement with jeff epstein. that is wrong. whether or not it violates the crime-victims rights act with dominic which a general sort of or dead, that is open to debate. it was wrong. it should not have been done. as victim should have been told, and had their input listened to as to whether or not this guy would not have any federal charge at all. he had state charges but no federal charges, and they didn't know. it was hidden from them. there is no question about this, laura. >> laura: sol, tonight the daily beaches reporting -- we have not confirmed -- the reporting that holocaust is that of the time of the time of his considering the

confirmation for labor secretary , being interviewed, any issues that would make your confirmation difficult, when this was brought up, he told them that he was told by a higher up to back off and that perhaps jeffrey was an intelligent source of some sort. we have not confirmed that so you don't have to comment on that but that just was published in "the daily beast." that is another wrinkle in this issue. sol, thank you so much for joining us. up next, the story of a businessman turned politician, a true patriot. no, not to jump right up next, the real story of the late ross perot. stay there. ♪ fisher investments tailors portfolios to your goals and needs. some only call when they have something to sell. fisher calls regularly so you stay informed. and while some advisors are happy to earn commissions whether you do well or not. fisher investments fees are structured so we do better when you do better. maybe that's why most of our clients come from other money managers.

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♪ >> laura: before the media were vilifying trump, they took aim at another millionaire political outsider who made a run to the white house. the great ross perot died today at the age 89. we remember him for his keen business sense and political instincts and he warned of the problems ailing america long before the parties actually caught on. joining me now was presidential historian, greg shirley. let's start with ross perot on trade. >> the mexican trade agreement where they pay people a dollar an hour and you're going to hear a giant sucking sound of jobs

being pulled out of this country. the core problem that faces everybody in manufacturing, it's that agreement that's about to be put into practice. >> prescient. >> laura: beyond prescient. he knew manufacturing jobs were key to america's middle class. >> was always been a populist strain in american politics, what ross perot identified in 1992 was the antiestablishment strain didn't want to choose george bush or bill clinton and the myth going around for years was that ross perot caused george bush reelection. a republican pollster did an analysis of the ross perot vote after the 92 election, they came proportionally from bush and clinton. clinton still would have won. bush lost the election because he gave up the ghost on the reagan revolution. he would have won if he hadn't

broken out his pledge on taxes. >> laura: he cleaned out the reaganites. the >> he gave up, it was workig and would've signed into law, the automatic spending cuts. congress and the president realized they couldn't get control of spending and the spending cuts were going automatically and then bush raise taxes. >> laura: take a listen to what perot said in 92 in a debate about what other countries need to do. >> we can't be the policeman for the world any longer, we spent $300 billion a year defending the world. germany and japan spent around $30 billion apiece. i could spend all my money building industry, that's a home run for me. >> laura: nato isn't paying its fair share, people who don't know their history don't know perot came before trump.

>> richard nixon mentioned that, some issues never change. there is that strain in american politics, a dialectic for politics, political upheaval starting in 1800. >> laura: hamilton didn't want us involved in a lot of foreign entanglements. that was a debate back then. >> george wallace, john anderson, other third-party candidates represent that third-party strain in american politics. >> laura: thank you so much, we'll be right back with "the last bite."

♪ >> laura: it's time for "the last bite," everyone's talking about the world cup but we missed an even bigger sports event, the wife carrying championship! the lithuanian couple who won for the second year in a row

revealed their secret. >> it's my wife, she's the best. i mean it, if you have a good wife, everything is possible. >> laura: i thought he was going to say because she doesn't weigh much. that's all the time we have, don't forget my new podcast. shannon bream and the "fox news @ night" team are ready to take it away. >> shannon: my husband is a strong but i'm not wearing that outfit in public. >> laura: i'm sure someone's offended by it but that's how we roll. >> shannon: the trump administration says they have a plan to get that citizenship question on the census but tonight the federal judge in new york -- president trump vows to fight, will he take executive action? democrats say it's about racism and a criminal contempt vote in the