rolling up broadway, too paid ticker tape parade. >> sandra: i think they made they wear a broadway. [laughter] that's it for us. three hours is done. we will see you tomorrow. to be 25 starts now. >> harris: and anna find once they become and with this. we are hours away from new marks from embattled labor secretary alex acosta. he set to hold a news conference at 2:30 p.m. eastern amid growing calls to resign over the plea deal he cut for accused sex traffickers jeffrey epstein in 2008. you are watching "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today, melissa francis. a couch first timer, former new mexico governor susana martinez. welcome. former ohio senate democratic minority leader, capri cafaro. in joining us on the couch, the opinion editor of "the washington times" and fox news contributor, charlie hurt. he's not even charlie anymore, now he's charles because he has a new book out.

it's called "still winning: why america went all in on donald trump and why we must do it again." in stores today. hello. we will get into that book a little later. >> charlie: you have to call me charlie, not charles. >> harris: i don't know! it's on the book, apparently. he went with -- >> charlie: it sound so adult-like. >> capri: those socks are not adults, i'm adding you right now. >> harris: are you running in a race later? >> charlie: what's wrong with my shoes? [laughter] i left my high heels in my room. >> harris: perfect. we will move on. alex acosta under intense pressure to step down amid renewed scrutiny of a plea deal he cut for jeffrey epstein. that deal let epstein avoid federal prosecution for prior allegations that he molested teenage girls. meanwhile, a woman has now come forward with new disturbing allegations against epstein, telling nbc that he had pleaded not guilty this week to charges of sex trafficking, sexually

assaulted her when she was just 15. >> very forcefully, brought me to the table, and i just did what he told me to do. i was just scared. i didn't necessarily think he was going to rape me. >> harris: kristin fisher outside the white house with the latest. >> harris, president trump is standing by secretary acosta for now, but that could change depending on how the secretary defends himself this afternoon over his role in that secret 2008 plea deal that led jeffrey epstein avoid federal prosecution after allegations that he molested teenage girls. b16 pleaded not guilty on monday, to more child sex trafficking charges. in the new accuser you were just talking about spoke up this morning on nbc saying that she was raped by epstein when she was just 15 years old.

>> yes, he raped me. he forcefully raped me. know exactly what he was doing. i don't think he cared. what hurts even more so, if i wasn't afraid to come forward sooner, the navy he wouldn't have done it to other girls. >> it's not likely that secretary acosta will be announcing's resignation based on statements delivered from it put out sand, flat out, "secretary acosta is not resigning." what is likely is he will defend himself very forcefully and explain why he signed off on that plea deal in the first place. we really got a taste of what that defense might sound like this morning, from the vice president's chief of staff. listen here. >> the reality is the defense attorneys in that case actually tried to get alex removed because they thought he was such an aggressive prosecutor in this case. as you heard alex say yesterday, we welcome the fact that there

is additional evidence that could be prosecuted. >> similar to former president bill clinton, president trump also has a connection to epstein. he once called him a "terrific guy." by the president says he had a falling out with him years ago. according to court documents, epstein was barred after mar-a-lago after an incident there involving a teenage girl. still, top democrats are saying the president must answer for his old comments praising epstein. at this 2:30 press conferences afternoon, the labor department is saying that secretary acosta will make a statement and then take questions. his job could really hinge on what he says in about two and half hours. harris? >> harris: thank you very much. governor martinez, what should president trump, the white house, the administration do right now with alex acosta? >> i was a prosecutor, as you know, for 25 years. dealing with these types of cases. sexual abuse against children.

so i'm very concerned about the deals. i think the president should also be very concerned and look into it carefully, because the kind of deal he got was a pretty sweet deal. the fact that he was able to not have to register in many states as a sex offender, the fact that he was able to check in and check out of jail, service time, is very concerning. most important of the victims bill of rights was not followed. they must notify the victim before you enter a plea agreement to get their input. not necessarily to do as they say, but to have their input in part of the agreement that was made. >> harris: was interesting, not a lot has been made of the fact that it wasn't every single state that he was a sexual predator in. what i would call grounded. that's what people do when they can come and go. you can't go to certain places. he's not really imprisoned, he is grounded. as a former prosecutor, you are looking at those details.

do those details tell us what? >> susana: those details tell me he got an agreement that i certainly wouldn't have entered into. no one was ever grounded. you are either prosecuted, convicted, placed in prison, or put in probation. obviously there was reason too old and in incarceration for a period of time. that should have been full-time, the entire day, all day, for his entire sentence. and that didn't happen. >> harris: one click file before i pass it onto the couch. when we hear alex acosta in his own defense in the last couple of days -- and we will hear more from them in a couple hours, we expect -- when he says he was following the evidence that would allow him to do as far as he went, and now there is new evidence and they can fully bring justice, what do you say? >> susana: as a lawyer, it's hard to give an opinion on a case that you haven't seen all of the details. the entire file that existed now don't like then and as it exists today. maybe there were some difficulties, sometimes people

might not want to testify. it's challenging for young kids. like the young lady that spoke a while ago, she feels responsible and she should not feel responsible. >> melissa: let me just ask, though -- in your opinion, does that mean to you that you need to see the details of the deal to decide whether alex acosta should step aside? or does that mean that, based on what you are seeing, you can't imagine a way that he could have signed off on this? what's the bottom line for you on this? i think of many people -- i guess america is split, pretty much. that he should step aside right now, or "let's follow the investigation." >> susana: sometimes we jump to conclusions just because of what we see from the outside. as a lawyer you should be able to have access to the entire file, as it existed then, and determine why he was given the deal he was given. , something goes off on you in the middle of

the case. at the last minute. they didn't look like it did at the think -- >> capri: if i may, just simply because -- and i'm glad to hear prosecutor perspective on this, but i've done a lot of policy work on the issue of human trafficking and we worked extensively on the issue of minors in particular. one of the issues that does concern me outside of the fact that the victims bill of rights was not followed is the fact that epstein was filed with when it is really should be human trafficking case. they can't legally consent. >> harris: the victims were, they were not charged as though he allegedly used as data, better word than that. recruiters with her being called. >> capri: he should be charged somehow, i believe. i think that prostitution is a lesser charge center trafficking charge when he is basically bringing in and recruiting underage girls. >> harris: and using them allegedly to go recruit others. >> capri: exactly. which is a pattern of grooming behavior that is commensurate to

part of the trafficking. >> harris: charlie, what is the politics? >> charlie: obviously they're going questions that remain unanswered and that alex acosta probably needs to explain. i don't know that he's limited and explain some of those decisions he made. as a prosecutor. but the most important thing is that it's not a political situation. it's not a political matter. this is a legal matter, and we need hard-nosed prosecutors going after the sky and trying to nail him to the wall as hard as they can. >> capri: but is not a good look and president trump basically tries to say that he feels bad for acosta and not even acknowledging the issue of the victims. politically. >> charlie: i do think -- yeah, but i don't even view it that way. i think it's dangerous and we tried to politicize things like this. >> harris: everything. >> charlie: and redo it for

everything when i look back and look at the case, i kind of wonder, "maybe there was something here." because it makes no sense that he would have agreed to some sort of deal like this. it's appalling when he reeled you read that "miami herald" story about the details with those girls wet through and what those girls testified to. >> melissa: but it's important to dig into the system of justice at this point. that's the day and age we are in. you ask yourself, "how was this love to go on for so long? how is it that he was not in jail? are there two systems of justice for people with money and connections versus everyone else?" >> harris: do we think there isn't? >> melissa: i mean, we -- >> harris: we've sat on this couch and talked about jussie smollett for weeks. those same questions were applied there. >> melissa: who was complicit in crating a situation around this man where he was allowed to

operate, and those people have to be called forward and have to be brought to justice as well. so that in the future people aren't even remotely tempted to participate in a situation where you are allowing this to go on, because there is an exchange of favor, or whatever. >> harris: governor, and my too pessimistic to think that somehow we have drifted away from accountability with our government officials? >> susana: i hope not. because i do believe that justice is blind, and it doesn'g accused. whether you are professional, a doctor, a politician, or an average person at an average -- it doesn't matter. the name should be erased, what they do for a living. the facts are what we follow, and can we prove it to a courtroom? can we prove it beyond a reasonable doubt? that's all that matters. and you can prove it with just the words of a victim, and the descriptions that victim gives. you don't need corroborating

evidence for it. that is evidence. >> harris: you know, to melissa's point, this would be my question. politically, to you, charlie. is there the intestinal fortitude to do what melissa is saying? can we really take a real forensic look at our justice system in this particular case and come out with the right answer? because no matter what, politics are wrapped up in this. >> charlie: oh, yeah. well, i hope so. if we can't have faith in our justice system to carry out swift and firm justice in a case like this -- >> melissa: and equal justice. >> charlie: and equal justice. blind justice. then we don't have a country anymore. >> harris: christine pelosi, yesterday -- the day before yesterday -- the daughter of nancy pelosi, speaker of the house. she was talking about, and i'm going to paraphrase her now, "some of our faves." actually, that's quick. meaning, in the democratic party. they might be part of this case. >> charlie: i don't know what

on earth she was thinking with that, and obviously we don't know who she was talking about. >> capri: i would assume it's bill clinton. >> charlie: but it's multiple people. >> capri: the name "bill clinton" has been out there. >> harris: politics are wrapped up in this but everybody has to be careful of the point a finger at. i see certain people pointing to certain people, and what christine pelosi said -- and i've never met the woman, but she might be right about this -- it could be anybody. >> charlie: i also believe all that is going to come out as the current case, the new york case, goes forward. more of those details are going to come out because there's all sorts of evidence been compiled. >> harris: wow. >> melissa: i hope it's inevitable. and it will all come out. >> charlie: what we are getting from alex acosta. and i hope that -- >> harris: well, at 2:30 p.m.... >> capri: those who are complicit are just as guilty. >> harris: at 2:30 p.m. eastern today we will hear from alex acosta. don't know yet. no notes, on or off the record,

that we know of. couldn't share the off part. but now not hearing anything at what's coming. we will be glued, 2:30 p.m. eastern, to fox. >> charlie: i'll be watching. >> harris: a power struggle within the democratic party as speaker pelosi refuses to back down to a handful of freshmen members. by the democratic leader says she has no regrets with the way she has handled the so-called fly. to the backlash, after a city votes to stop reciting the pledge of allegiance at the beginning of a meeting. why they say the move was neede needed. >> and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under god, usa! usa! usad ! ♪ it lets you borrow up to 100 percent of your home's value. not just 80 percent like other loans. and that can mean a lot more money for you and your family. with our military service,

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>> melissa: another fox news alert now. it is getting ugly. the big rift between house speaker nancy pelosi and four freshman on the left spilling out into the open as a congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez fires back at the speaker's recent remarks. new york democrat alexandria ocasio-cortez saying she found pelosi's remarks "puzzling, and just wrong" after the speaker dismissed her and 300 progressives who voted against an emergency border aid package last month. pelosi telling "the new york times" that the four freshmen known collectively as "the squad" had really no following outside their "twitter world." and today, when asked if she had any regret about her remarks, pelosi says, "i do not, no. i have no regrets about anything. regrets are not what i do." all this as aoc is raising eyebrows yet again for remarks she made in a radio interview, saying she is open to getting

rid of the department of homeland security in its entirety. listen. >> i.c.e. is not under doj. as under the department of homeland security. we have -- >> would you get rid of homeland security, too? >> i think so. i think we need to undo a lot of the egregious mistakes that the bush administration did. >> melissa: that's a sharp rebuke from andy biggs arizona. >> i don't know how extreme he can keep going. to eliminate the whole department of homeland security seems so outrageous to me. dhs has done, for better or worse, a pretty doggone good job quelling terrorist attacks in this country, as it was supposed to do. it's trying to enforce the laws. i don't know where she's coming from, actually. can't conceive of it. >> melissa: we are talking about the rift in the party. he's laughing but let me ask you quickly, first -- what would it mean to get rid of the

department of homeland security? >> susana: its peer insanity. it would put our country at risk. homeland security was created and they in order to keep america safe after 9/11. i think of kazu cortes 's into the shock and all. she wants to make a statement and get up on this -- behind everything. it's the shock and all awe statements that are so far left. she turned to balances and keep it inside the house. the liberal democrats. so it doesn't come out, where they really stand. they are try to get more folks like ocasio-cortez, closing on the security, getting rid of cbp, making sure borders are open, health care for everyone, so that it doesn't come out after the presidential election. >> melissa: is it shock and awe or a real rift? let's listen to sean hannity. >> all out war is erupting

inside the democratic party, as speaker -- in name only -- nancy pelosi continues to lose control of her caucus, and she's losing it to the freshman congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez and the new extreme left. >> melissa: real fight or fake fight? >> capri: i think real fight but he doesn't have the juice, with all due respect to our colleagues sean hannity, that he's painting it as. speaker pelosi is not speaker in name only. there's no question that aoc does love the shock and awe, and they are using the bully pulpit directly to the people to make as much noise as possible because they love -- many of whom are millennials, not all of them -- but they love the attention. they want to bring that attention upon themselves. to the credit of speaker pelosi, she's like, "look," they are for votes and that's it. they are not the pied piper inside of the caucus. unfortunately they are being paid as such within the media because they are the loudest -- >> melissa: may be the

pied piper in the rest of the population, and democrats at large. the >> capri: i don't think that's true. >> melissa: what do you think, you are snickering, by the way. what was the snickering? >> charlie: because it's amazing, actually. just a couple years ago nancy pelosi was a far left wing of a party or presenting san francisco. it didn't get any crazier than that. here she is a couple years later. she's a center of her party, and her party has been dragged so far to the left. joe biden used to be the center of the party. now he's somewhat right wing fringe of his party. she's -- it's not healthy for the democrats, i don't think. they call themselves the squad, i would call them the committee to reelect donald trump. because that's what they're actually doing. >> capri: that's why i think republicans are so focused. i get it. >> harris: they don't need to be focused on shining a light. let me tell you. >> capri: they are showing their own labor let me put it this way, as a democrat, they

are not giving us any favors. >> harris: speaker pelosi come in my opinion -- and i will throw some numbers that you, too -- i think she's underestimating the power of the squad against her. it's generational. >> capri: it is? >> harris: it's also communicational. is that a word? >> charlie: it is now. >> harris: it's not some aoc thing in the world, as speaker pelosi would see it. when aoc gets up on twitter and says something about nancy pelosi, watch her account. she knows she has to answer back. it's complicated. it's more than just the four votes she says these people have. be five the biggest power she has is raising aoc money and -- >> harris: the biggest power she has is waiting. nancy pelosi has hurt us. it's generational. i'm not saying that with disrespect, i'm just looking at

it how it's going. i see the governor nodding. >> susana: i really do believe there is a risk. i see speaker pelosi is trying to contain it. she's not going to be able to pay the cat is out of the bag. this is where they are going. >> harris: the cat is prowling! [laughter] >> susana: it is out, and they are trying to hide it from the american people. before the presidential election. this is where we are. they are the squad, they are the outsiders, but in fact that's where the parties going. you saw the debate were all of them raise their hand. free health care for everyone. no one was going to say no. this is where the party is headed. >> harris: all the president has to do is retweet, and that pup tent it will float. >> melissa: president trump is now pushing back after federal judge bars the geo jay from adding the citizenship question to the 2020 2020 sens. what it means in this high-stakes showdown. that's next.

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♪ >> harris: protesters are out in force in minnesota, a city there this week come upset over city council's decision to stop reciting the pledge of allegiance of the beginning of your meetings. the decision was announced by the st. louis park city council after a unanimous vote last month. the amendment to the council's rules characterized as an effort to serve a more diverse community. the state's g.o.p. chair doesn't buy that. >> the hope is that the city council will realize the error of their ways and reverse their decision to not recite the pledge of allegiance. i was actually there in attendance on monday night and it was just very disturbing to hear some of the council members talk. this issue go so much further beyond just the suburban minnesota. people kneeling from the national anthem, saying that we will not recite the pledge. when we did it become okay for us to not be proud of america? >> harris: for the sponsor of the measure is nixing the

pledge, who says the pledge is not necessary. especially for noncitizens. and now is pushing back against the firestorm of criticism. watch. >> i'm appalled that our little suburban community's meeting protocol has sparked this polarizing conversation in our community. on what it means to be patrioti patriotic. >> let her finish. >> there are people who have not been nice about this in our city staff has been on the front lines. so i want to apologize to them because it certainly was not our intention. >> harris: governor martinez, your thoughts? >> susana: i will never apologize for being a proud american. an american of mexican descent. i will stand every time with my hand over my heart and i will never, ever neil. i'm grateful to the veterans who fought for our freedom. when you do that, when used in place your hand over your heart, it is to say, "i'm grateful for what you men and women in the

military have done for us to continue to be free." it's not this political statement, a socialist statement. it's not to say "i believe in this, that, and the other." it's to be grateful. i will never apologize. most americans will never apologize for being that proud and do starting meeting with the pledge of allegiance. >> melissa: i think what's interesting here -- charlie, maybe you can answer this -- these are government officials at a meeting and they are supposed to stand up at the beginning and pledge their allegiance to america over other countries. for example, russia. why is that controversial? because we were mad at this president, because we thought that he was operating as a -- wouldn't you ask them to stand in pledge of allegiance? a >> charlie: great point. >> melissa: stand up and say you are pledging allegiance to america. why do they not want to pledge their allegiance to this country versus some other one? >> charlie: that's a really great point. it's so sad, the way -- like,

every corner of our lives has become politicized lately. it's not healthy for us. we are a nation -- we are bound by a set of ideals and beliefs. we are not bound by one race or one geographic area. we are all here because we believe in a set of ideals. to reject that set of ideals is to reject to country. it's a real problem for us. and we need to stop this. >> harris: i want to get to a tweet from the president who is supporting minnesota and the pledge of allegiance. "outrageous going in the great state of minnesota where our patriots are now having to fight for the right to say the pledge of allegiance. i will be fighting with you!" >> capri: number one, i don't know the back story of this, but my assumption is that people in minnesota made this decision because it's one nation under god, they are probably saying it's a separation of church and

state, and that's why they made the decision. our elected city councilman, obviously there's huge backlash amongst our community, they will have to -- they will probably lose. it's a municipal decision. as a state senator, for ten years, we stood, pledged allegiance to the flag, one nation under god, and we also had a prayer. we had a lot of faith represented within the state senate. whether they were rabbis, catholic priests, reverence, they did the prayer. this is part of the american tradition. this is a local decision and i respect local decision-making at the local political subdivision level. but they are going to have to answer to those constituents of theirs that are none too pleased. >> harris: where it is go from here? i used to live in minnesota, a covered politics there for many years. jesse ventura blew the place up with his politics, and it just got juicier from there. it's pretty much -- people say it's a purple state. i think it's plaid. [laughter] anything can go as long as you

can do better or do best by the people. it's really interesting place to live. i say that because this is a conversation that sometimes can spread, charlie hurt. is it going to spread to school? what areas will be see them talking about "no more pledge of allegiance?" and we've already seen in some places in this country. >> charlie: my hope is that people get exhausted of it and stop talking about this stuff, and that stop they stop makingd decisions like not doing the pledge of allegiance, or "i'm going to neil for the national anthem " people are exhausted listening to this. >> harris: st. louis park is a wonderful place. it's in the suburbs of the twin cities. but they have challenges for everyone else. the constituents up to be asking, what are we not doing what we fight over this? space if there are other problems we need to get addressed. >> harris: the governor looks like she must have a last word. >> susana: if you don't want to stand for the pledge of allegiance, then don't. but do not forbid or do not keep people from doing exactly what

they want to do as americans in this country. again, because we honored those that give us the freedom to do so. if you want to stay seated, stay seated. we as americans are going to choose to stand up -- republicans, democrats, doesn't matter what party -- to stand up, put my hand over my heart, and say the pledge of allegiance. i should be allowed to. you should never be allowed to stop me from doing it. >> harris: you get last word. obama-appointed federal judge barring the doj from switching its attorneys amid the growing legal fight of the president's push to add a citizenship question to the 2020 census. we will debate it, a head. musical to look at me now, you don't see psoriasis. you see clear skin. you see me. but if you saw me before cosentyx... ♪ i was covered. it was awful. but i didn't give up. i kept fighting. i got clear skin with cosentyx.

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suspect, in first her disappearance, and then her death. but they have not yet formally charged a suspect. the news conference again expected at 1:00 p.m. eastern. we'll bring it to you live. next hour, "outnumbered overtime" ." >> melissa: a potential setback now in the trump administration's push to add a citizenship question to the 2020 census. a new york federal judge barring the justice department from changing its lawyers in the case, saying the doj provided no reason, let alone satisfactory reasons, for the switch. the justice department pulling its full team from the census case and swapping in a fresh crew drawn from other units. president trump, who has vowed to continue efforts to include the question, blasting the judge's decision on twitter, writing, "so now the obama

obama-appointed judge won't let the justice department use the lawyers that it wants to use. could this be a first?" when he bring it out to the counter to ask you first the question, what impact would it make in your state, specifically, if the citizenship question was there or not? what difference does it make to you in terms of governing how federal dollars come? how you do things? what difference does it make? >> susana: if we do not have the question, we only have american citizens or people in the u.s. legally being counted. but we have a pretty large population that are illegally in the country. and in my state. when you're counting those individuals, we have received federal dollars for the classroom. every single classroom, k-12. we have limits in the classroom. those limits -- 21, 23, depending on the grade -- will go to 40. a shortage of teachers, our hospitals, we received federal dollars.

they go through the state. are hospitals themselves, we used to have a one hour or two hour wait. now you have a 6, 7, 8-hour wait to be seen by doctor. >> melissa: 's you want every human counted that's there. do you feel like if you ask the question that prevents people from being counted, do you want to know? doesn't make a difference to you if they are counted, if they are here legally or not? >> susana: the reason you are asking whether you're a citizen or not is to count heads. you want to know how many people are there, and your government is serving. the dollars, where are they going? were to be need to allocate those dollars? to be levered them against federal dollars to be able to pay for our classrooms? recruiting of teachers, doctors, nurses? did they walk into those hospitals connect because they are indigent, it's free care. all that matters and it's all leveraged with federal dollars. yes, i want to know everything a person, child or adult, that lives in the state.

legally or not. because that depends on how much of the resources are necessary to provide services to each of those citizens. the people that live in the state. >> melissa: charlie, what are your thoughts on this? if the question is on there, do fewer people respond? i have a sneaking suspicion that if you are here illegally and someone from the government comes knocking on the door and wants to ask questions, you won't answer no matter what. >> charlie: i have a hard time understanding and event. largely because this is a question that's been part of the census for a very long time. >> harris: since the 1800s. >> charlie: yeah. of course, the american community survey, which the census bureau does every single year, ask for exactly this question every single year. not only that, they ask you how many toilets you have in your house. you can ask him a child to have in your house, it seems asking whether you are here legally or not or if you're citizen or not is not a unreasonable thing to

inquire. >> harris: we've been talking with people who are extensions of the white house. the trump administration. i've been asking, would you want to then parenthetically say there would be no retribution under targeting? we simply want to know. is there way to shape the question? senator daines is writing the legislation to back up the white house on this. i don't know if they've gotten that deep into it. since it's been there. they went away, as i understand, under president obama. the big question, how do you bring it back? that's what they're fighting now. the judge said the argument was at first not compelling. >> charlie: the everything is just because you're not a citizen doesn't mean you are here illegally, either. >> harris: exactly. >> charlie: in terms of -- this was thrown out on technicality because the judge argued that administration didn't cross their ts and dot there is. >> capri: is important to note that the census is currently being printed right now without the question, which means that if it gets ratified in a different way, but to view text dollars left to be spent to

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♪♪ >> melissa: the u.s. women's soccer team is celebrating their world cup victory today, meeting fans up close with the ticker tape parade through the canyon of heroes right here in new york city. this, as the team cocaptain, megan rapinoe, says she would reject any invitation to come to the white house. >> i would not go, and every teammate i've talked to specifically about it would not go. i don't think anyone on the team has any interest in lending the platform that we worked so hard to build, the things we fight for and the way that we live our lives, i don't think we want that to be co-opted or corrupted by this administration.

>> melissa: senate minority leader chuck schumer says the team has accepted an invitation to visit capitol hill. in the meantime, former u.s. women's soccer player brandi chastain says the team has the right to choose where they want to go, but they are missing a larger opportunity. >> this is "to each his own," to be honest with you. in my opinion. having him into the white house multiple times, going to the white house is very special. it's very historic for our country. it means a lot. we are some of -- we are a world leader. so this is another opportunity for our team to potentially not make a statement about how we feel that our president but how we feel about our country. and that we can determine where we go and why we go and how we go. that's the decision they will have to make. >> melissa: charlie, if she says she feels left out by the president's message, i don't doubt the way she feels. but she also said that she is

happy to go talk to anyone who agrees with her. [laughter] macon rapinoe. but i would say, why doesn't she go to the white house and have a conversation with the president? and say, "your message makes me feel left out a question mark" and challenge him face-to-face. and maybe make some progress. >> charlie: he would love it. he would enjoy engaging with her. it's more of what we are talking about. people are trying to politicize everything in this country. it's so stupid. it's just -- life is so much better than that. let's just celebrate. i don't like soccer, i think it's a terrible sport. >> harris: wow! >> charlie: but i'm thrilled to watch those american women score those goals. it was awesome. i just watch the score, i didn't watch anything else. >> melissa: it was fantastic. i watched it all. epstein made me proud. just go to the white house and

be mannerly, or confront the president. >> melissa: confront him! when she says to let this administration co-opts the platform we built, that's not going to the white house is about. she can go talk to him face-to-face and effect positive change. >> harris: she could go and enter the party and eat good food and set an opportunity for she and the president to sit down and discuss it. a one on one. i agree with you, i think you'd be open to the invitation or the opportunity for both of them. but brandi chastain hits the nail on the head. it should be up to those player players. it's a special opportunity. governor, you know. >> susana: it is a special opportunity. i was invited to attend several vents of the white house when president obama was president. i didn't agree with everything he said or did, but i wanted to go to the white house. it's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. you think you are not going to get the next invitation. so when you get to go and eat

with him -- and i mows many folks from his cabinet -- to be able to talk politics if we needed to, how i felt about certain things. it's one to celebrate. let's save this time and hold it tight as champions, as american americans, of this wonderful victory. >> harris: party like it's 2019! [laughs] >> melissa: i want to know what she would say to the president, or why she thinks his message isn't appropriate for her. let's listen to that. >> your messages excluding people. you are excluding me, you are excluding people who look like me. you are excluding people of color. you are excluding americans that may be support you. >> capri: i have something to add real quick on this. she has very firmly-held beliefs and that needs to be respected. i agree, it should be the individual team members's choice whether they attend or not. but i think that she should have

utilized that opportunity not just to speak in platitudes but to say, "look, the trip administration, the secretary of housing and urban development has not reinstated housing protections for the lgbt community." actually give some very specific policy areas in which she finds the trump administration not inclusive of individuals instead of just saying "he doesn't like anybody." and maybe there could be a place for dialogue. but she's got firmly-held beliefs. if you don't want to go, that's on her. but he should make this event appreciatively at. >> melissa: more "outnumbered" in just a moment. a oulets you refinance your home and take out 54,000 dollars or more to pay credit card debt, or just put money in the bank. it even lowers your payments by over 600 dollars a month. as a veteran, you've earned the powerful va home loan benefit that lets you refinance up to 100 percent of your home's value. we all know some of life's most important financial decisions are made right here at the kitchen table.

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and discovered that after arriving in salt lake city on june 17th, she took a lift from salt lake city international airport to hatch park in north salt lake city. lyft records indicated that mackenzie was dropped off at hatch park at approximately 2:59 a.m. cell phone records for both mckenzie and ajayi place them at hatch park during this time. additionally, mackenzie cell phone records indicates that her phone was powered off at 2:59 a.m. and was never powered back on. a forensic analysis of the phone records shows that ajayi's phone was back at his residence, located at 547 north tenth west in salt lake county, utah at approximately 3:07 a.m. on june 26th