curse of the bambino. and i you know! >> julie: and the rest is history. so is that lady who put her kids in a pool. i can't stop talking about it. stupid. >> bill: truly unique. >> julie: let's do this tomorrow, shall be? okay starts now. >> melissa: fox news alert, the war of words between congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez and house speaker nancy pelosi is taking another dramatic turn as the new york democrat now select don't ask adjust the criticism of she and three of her colleagues as racist. this is "outnumbered." i'm melissa francis. here today's harris faulkner. joining us on the couch for the first time, alexandra wilkes! attorney senior vice president of america rising corporation and former national chair of the college republican national committee. welcome. >> harris: hello, alex! >> melissa: contributor jessica tarlov.

in the center seat today, host of "bull & bears" on the fox business network, david asman. my former partner! >> david: i love it when you say that! [laughter] is to be when he is "outnumbered." i understand the bulls are running. >> david: the bull's-eye running big time. keep pushing the envelope. [laughter] >> harris: we are having a big day. >> melissa: we've got a great catch. let's get fired up and get started. a growing rift amongst house democrats after house speaker nancy pelosi recently slammed four far-left freshman democrats, including o ocasio-cortez, for voting against the recent board to bill build. loc suggesting the members had a following more limited than their twitter accounts might indicate. that's some shade. but oh, sue cortez pushing back on pelosi's criticism, and upping the ante yesterday, telling "the washington post," "when these comments first started, a kind of thought she was keeping the progress of flank at more of an arms distance in order to protect more moderate members,

which i understood." but the persistent singling out, it got to a point where it was just outright disrespectful." the explicit singling-out of newly elected women of color." this, as pelosi yesterday reportedly issued a stern warning to house democrats behind closed doors. "do not tweet complaints," and instead talk to her directly. a short time ago, she clarified what happened during that meeting. watch this. >> i said what i say in the caucus. they took offense because i addressed -- at the request of my members -- and offensive tweets that came out of one of the members' offices that referenced segregationists. our members took offense at that. i addressed that. >> melissa: meanwhile, house minority whip steve scalise is the democrats reveal what the party has become. watch this.

>> it's ugly and getting ugly. there are no moderates left. it's literally liberals versus socialists and the socialists are winning. for nancy pelosi to think she can silence aoc and these of a-left socialists just shows she's out of touch with what's happening in our own conference. >> melissa: normally we go to our gentleman first. it's ladies turn on the couch. i added some drama to that but i didn't get to the level of drama behind closed doors. >> alexandra: absolutely not. there is major shade. as we talked about, this is a generational issue. what alexandria ocasio-cortez has on her side is time. unfortunately for her, her squad doesn't go much further than the blue districts that they represent. for nancy pelosi, she is much more concerned with the moderates who made up the 2018 midterm majority for the democrats. so we know that those midterm democrats who were elected, they

are terribly scared of the alexandria ocasio-cortez policies. i know this because i worked for america rising, we do opposition research, we do tracking, and whenever we follow these candidates and ask them about alexandria ocasio-cortez's policies, they run away from our cameras. alexandria ocasio-cortez has time but she will only ever be a 10-term congresswoman from a blue district, whereas nancy pelosi has a whole bunch of people -- >> melissa: you think she will only ever be from that district? former speaker gingrich was on earlier today and he said to alex's first point the idea that this is just four votes for now. that speaker pelosi could have effectively isolate them, and keep them from doing anything. but if their numbers reached ten or 20, that's when they have more of a voice. >> david: well, if they are careful. to use the race card -- as much as aoc smiles and is jocular in

her presentations, to use that race card was a really nasty bit of business. and to suggest that small caucus of hers on the four far-left, to suggest that blue dog segregationists, that's a nasty turn for all of this. it is generational. there is something generational going on here. speaker pelosi is accustomed to people kowtowing to her speakership. she's been very successful. >> harris: she's used to being listened to. [laughs] a >> david: and getting things done. remember, obamacare was primarily because of her speakership. she was very successful at that. but the new donation is not kowtowing to her in the same way. >> harris: i want to broaden it a little bit. alex and i on "outnumbered overtime" have talked a lot about the power of the millennial voice, and how in 2020 research is showing they will be the largest generation in american history. so we've got that. there's also the experience lane, how to caucus, how to get things done, as you are talking

about. that's where nancy pelosi is saying, "you only have four votes." my question is, what's going on with the word "segregationist?" good lord, you got a presidential candidate on the left talking about it. joe biden. is there some sort of nuance that i missed, bringing back language and trying to label people with that? >> jessica: if so, i missed the democratic memo on it. [laughter] >> harris: so what is that? >> jessica: joe biden's comments -- i don't believe he use the word "segregationist" when he was talking about them. kamala harris used it and cory booker did, when they were talking about their upsettedness about the comments joe biden made. she thought that speaker pelosi was racist. there is evidence counter to that. if you look at high-ranking democrats, majority web clyburn, hakeem jeffries, maxine waters, chair of one of the most important committees -- >> melissa: why would she make that point, then?

that she's pushing on women of color. let me find it. "the explicit singling-out of newly-elected women of color." >> jessica: i'm not really sure why she did it because it's inconsistent. lauren underwood, millennial as well, a 32-year-old african-american woman who has just put forward the most copperheads of health care bill -- >> harris: but when you when i disagree about something you don't call me "the black lady." i'm not coming from some camp that is different, because we disagree on the issue. the bigger point is, how did we get to race in this particular conversation? >> jessica: i don't think that it -- >> harris: the issues are important. >> jessica: i don't think it's appropriate. i would like to say, a small, they are four votes and part of the very large progressive caucus. they are the only four talking like this. they are. >> david: the point is that they are four votes with a lot of power. hold on a second. also, remember, elizabeth warren

still supports the green new deal. she just came out and doubled down on the green new deal, which is so far to the left it would triple our federal budget. it would socialize and get rid of the free market in the united states by tripling -- >> jessica: but david, who's leaving in the polls? the moderates. >> david: liz warren is very important part of the democratic party right now. she represents -- last i checked, kamala harris was still in favor of the green new deal. they have extraordinary power, far beyond their number four. >> melissa: do you agree with that? >> alex: for a republican, we can't right the script anybody. we have the democratic superstar calling the speaker of the house a racist. it's absolutely -- >> jessica: she clarified that she in no way he thinks that. >> alex: i think you could read a lot into those comments, that she basically thinks she's a racist. and that she singling out women of color. like i said, for republicans, this is a great show to watch. but it speaks to an unfortunate

tendency among our generation to lash out along lines of gender and race when somebody feels aggrieved. and how it always sort of comes back to these characteristics, when there is a disagreement. i think that really shows a growing tension, and the democratic party between the younger progressives on the older establishment, that could be problematic for them ie coming election. >> harris: i want to get back to the stats. i don't want people to think i put words in joe biden's mouth. he prefaced his apology -- which took in more than two weeks to make -- by saying the senate, he said, "i apologize," so he is saying it twice. he apologized for saying it. you said he never said it. i just want to get it on the record. that's not the case. the >> jessica: but the explosion over it came from kamala harris and cory booker's issue with what he had said about jim eastland. and i forget the name of the second senator that he had mentioned in there. so i don't think it's something -- my point is i don't

think segregation is a more conversation about it something that is coming back in vogue. these four congress women are doing a very specific thing. when you look at who was elected in 2018, there are plenty of millennial rock stars like laura underwood, katie hill, who are right on the middle of those blue dog democrats. they are the bread and butter. >> harris: you will have a tough time. >> david: she is fanning the flames. >> harris: what is susceptible going forward in the democratic party? how will that cloud the 2020 -- >> david: a litmus test not only on race but on socialism. >> melissa: we will see. president trump expected to make a big announcement of the rose garden today on the census citizenship question. see, i told you. i need another word! >> harris: you did a! >> melissa: [laughs] the action he's expected to take in the fall out. plus, labor secretary alex acosta singh has no plans to resign in the midst of the jeffrey epstein scandal. why he says he is not to blame

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>> into thousand six a grand jury convened by the district attorney of palm beach county reviewed the evidence and recommended a single charge. but charge would have resulted in no jail time at all. simply put. the palm beach state attorney's office was ready to let epstein walk free. >> harris: a defiant alex acosta defending his role in the controversial 2008 plea deal for jeffrey epstein, the

finance here now charged with sex trafficking. acosta says that as then-u.s. attorney in south florida he stopped and when state prosecutors were going to let epstein walk. the labor secretary, who is also facing calls from democrats to resign, insists he as the support of the white house, and more portly, president >> my relationship with the president is an outstanding. he has publicly made clear that i've got his support. i keep reading articles about my relationship with me and -- and he called me this morning to say, if asked, that our relationship is excellent, too. and any articles to the contrary are, in his words, "b.s.." >> harris: meanwhile, they want him on the hill to testify. he is saying in a letter, "we will

determine as well as the findina federal court that you violated the crime victims right act by keeping this nonprosecution agreement secret from the victims of mr. epstein's crime." the former top prosecutor palm beach county in office during the plea deal a decade ago is firing back at acosta. he told local media, "mr. acosta's recollection of this matter is completely wrong. federal prosecutors do not take a backseat to state prosecutors. that's not how the system works in the real world. if mr. acosta was truly concerned with the state case and felt he had to rescue the matter, he would have moved forward with the 53-page indictment that has an office drafted. mr. acosta should not be allowed to rewrite history." david? >> david: this is a real tough one. acosta was approved by 60 votes in the senate for his confirmation as secretary.

that includes eight democrats, by the way. we knew about the decisions he made and that through a snake case. but it all changed without mine and "miami herald" report back in november. the report that showed the degree to which the law was bent a little bit. everything was done legally, but at the influence of -- >> melissa: but the sticking point was the victim's. >> harris: that's what everybody comes back. >> david: that's with a "miami herald" focused on. more than any other piece of reporting in the past year, that piece of reporting deserves a pulitzer prize of the very least. because that not only did a lot for america's understanding of the case, but it really changed the epstein case entirely and because the southern district of new york to bring it up again. even acosta, a meet and look ridiculous when he said, i approve of what this of a district was doing." some of it should have been done

back in 2008. >> harris: you mentioned the eight democrats, all of the republicans in the senate had voted for him for confirmation, alex acosta. you are saying, david, that they knew. more importantly, did they talk about it? that would be the question there, right? >> david: they knew what they knew back then but those before the "miami herald" really dug into the details. also, by the way -- >> harris: that's what they knew. >> david: they apparently have more evidence now that, since that happened -- >> jessica: he conveniently labeled it. >> harris: i want to bring alex into the conversation in this way. you are looking at polling, you're looking at talking with people on the ground. what are the sticking points? as you look at acosta, should he go? >> alex: i think it's complicate his situation. certainly, reading the complaint from the southern district of new york, their parts that make her stomach turn. there are parts that make you just feel for these victims that were out there and subject to this abuse. but there are some interesting

sort of legal factors at play that i think make this case just a little bit more complicated than sort of an outright -- there was impropriety, and a sweetheart deal, and it's kind of all swept up in that way. >> jessica: like what? >> alex: for example, there is the difference between the resources the state had available versus what the feds had available. >> jessica: but the indictment was ready to go. >> alex: there's the fact in the case of the federal -- or, for the feds, that they were trying to avoid double jeopardy by avoiding just a single prostitution count on the stateside. so i think there is a complication there. >> harris: bottom line, does acosta help himself and keeping the job? jessica? >> melissa: no. >> jessica: absolute not. this seems like an unforced error. when the president comes out and says he feels badly for him, first of all, you feel badly for the victims. those are the only people you should feel badly for. acosta did not do that well

yesterday. he did not show any decent level of remorse or empathy for what these women went through. one of them was on "good morning america" ," i was crying watching her tell the story. i went to school in manhattan, i can see that play out. how they would wait outside of the school. two things at issue -- that federal indictment was ready to go. acosta went to a breakfast meeting, 7:00 a.m., caps off in the office, whatever. at the marriott. suddenly he goes to jail, which is 60 to begin his office. >> harris: it's been shown that acosta didn't have anything to do with that part of the sweetheart deal. >> jessica: he says he wants him to go to jail. he said that yesterday. he went to a palm beach office. there are reports that it was permissible that he didn't have to check in with his case officer. there are a number of lawyers speaking out about this who represent people in the city, searching the people of color, who would be in jail and a second if they did not report in. >> harris: that part of what you're saying, i had a

democratic gas yesterday, hank sean copps, who said you just drop the name of another person that you would be watching for in all this because of the -- so the one thing you said that really struck me was the only people we should feel bad for are the victims. real quickly, you think acosta didn't do the job he could have done? >> melissa: i hated his performance yesterday. i think he should go immediately. the things that offended me the most -- and there were a lot of them -- when he said he had been watching this case for signs that it was going -- no. it could have been keeping him awake at night, given the knowledge that he had about what went on. he should have been doing everything and has power, on weekends, his free time, whenever, to try and help anyone else make a case or encourage it. he knew what happened. it's disgusting. he should go before the end of the day. >> harris: what does the president do? we will have to see. house democrats appear to be holding off on their impeachment push, at least for now, as they

prepare for robert mueller's testimony next week. how higher the stakes for democrats? and if his testimony looms, they prepare a round of subpoenas for a dozen individuals connected with the president. is this about oversight, or something else? ♪ i don't keep track of regrets.

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president trump. the targeted witnesses include the president's son in law and senior advisor, jared kushner, former deputy attorney general rod rosenstein, and former attorney general jeff sessions. president trump tweeting, "now the democrats have asked to see 12 more people have already spent hours with robert mueller and spent a fortune on lawyers in so doing. how many bytes at the apple did they get before working on border loopholes and asylum?" house judiciary doug collins has the subpoenas are nothing more than applicable move. watch. >> i'm beginning to wonder if the chairman of the parts of the democratic side slipped through law school when they determine what a subpoena actually is. what's interesting is many of these people have never been contact before. this is the first on the view from the contacted. they are getting a subpoena. simply because they had a bad couple of weeks in the press when they left here, on immigration and other things, they are trying to retake the narrative. >> melissa: david, what you

think? >> david: [laughs] i think a lot more people will believe the president when he calls this a witch hunt, what jerry nadler has been doing. you had charlie hurt on yesterday, where love to death, and he said, "americans are getting so exhausted." he was talking about political correctness but he could also been talking about "this same old same old, they are trying set traps for people, get them into a perjury trap, the sort of thing the fbi was trying to do with general michael flynn." who of course, while the fbi didn't think he lied, he thought because he didn't have a lawyer president that may be a deadline he pled guilty. maybe you shouldn't have. i think he's a poor guy because he's got no money left, he's lost his reputation. they are trying to set perjury traps for individuals and the trump administration. i think it's all jerry nadler's doing and i do think it qualifies as a witch hunt. >> alex: this is weeks on, this is impeachment lights. this is for the democrats who don't have the stones to go out there and actually put the impeachment articles against the

president. but they want to need lime they want to get in his face and to take this. not about boxing hundred 20, but instead to congress. i think the american people are tired of it. they are saying, "why aren't you working on real things that benefit me? the problems that are affecting our country right now?" if you are a democrat running for president and basically the democratic platform in 2020 is to subpoena jeff sessions and to give free health care to illegal immigrants, i'm pretty bullish on the president's reelection chances. >> melissa: should they have waited until after the newly testimony? a >> jessica: if it ends up pushing it back, yes. i think the date is out there. july 17th. he needs to be in front of the judiciary committee on july july 17th. i unsurprisingly disagree with you. i have no sympathy for mike flynn. there has been a lot of rank or within the democratic party about a lack of oversight. for those who believe he should

be moving toward impeachment, this is exactly what they want to to c. "if we are going to go along with your plan, nancy pelosi -- which is to see what we find our lease committee hearings -- have the committee hearings." this and talk about the impeachment hearings for alex acosta. for president trump. >> harris: who is pushing that in your party, though? she is right. so would newt gingrich tell you that she is right. he sat on the couch and said the same thing. history would tell us that impeachment does not usually mean you exit. >> jessica: no. >> harris: nixon quits. so then what you do this you have come up with bill kochan for an example, somebody who actually then martyrs themselves politically to get things done even though they've been impeached. "i'm not going anywhere." so then you've created somebody with more power. i don't know the democrats have really looked at that forensically and said, "what will this cost politically?" even if they get an impeachment

ruling. if they don't, they get a whole lot of wasted time. >> jessica: they talk about the constitutional duty. that's what it was elizabeth warren says. "i don't care, the sun is obviously not agree to vote to impeach him, but it's important that if we believe he has obstructed justice --" and there are ten points but laid out in the mueller report -- "that we move forward with it." >> harris: what about everybody else and congress on health care? >> jessica: they do. that's why i mentioned lauren underwood, she is an exciting new health care bill. it can't pass the democratic house right now. >> harris: so it's in the same lane is impeachment? oh, my gosh. >> jessica: good news, we can do a whole bunch of things, including health care. >> harris: i mean in terms of actually getting something that they will pass. >> jessica: may be republican senators would like to make health care for americans. >> david: i want to know one thing from robert mueller. i want to know i did look at russian influence in the clinton campaign. i would give a week 'salary to ask in that one question. >> harris: really? >> david: russian influence in the clinton campaign. look what happened with

fusion gps , et cetera. >> harris: house parent >> harris: house democrat impeachment fever seems to be on hold as they prer robert miller's testimony next week. as we talk about reportedly watching old videos of past testimony by the former fbi director and pouring over his 448-page report. the last democrat to publicly embrace an impeachment inquiry was joe kennedy the third three weeks ago. that was three days after the announcement that the former special counsel would head to the hill on july 17th. that hearing being billed as a make or break moment for democrats who have been pressing for the house to begin any impeachment inquiry into president trump. but lawmakers are beginning to raise alarms that they won't have enough time to press mueller. democrat david cicilline, who sits on the house judiciary committee, weighing in on that. saying, "it will not be easy. we just have to be very smart about how we use the time, and really give a special counsel the time to tell the story."

meanwhile, democrats trying to manage expectations on mueller's testimony. california democrat jerrod hoffman said this. "i think it's unlikely to see little more than a book on tape, where he cites the report that he wrote and refuses to go beyond the four corners." that's because that what he told us. that he would take more questions on this and go and you are new with mueller. >> alex: what more is the specter going to tell us? the man laid it out and report that cost the american taxpayers millions of dollars. it took many months. it took incredible resources. the best legal talent in this country has to offer, to dress to get all of this, and it was put out that the russians had interfered in our elections but had not included with the trump campaign to do so. i think the american people are going to look at this and they are going to look up at their screen and see mueller testifying. >> david: again. >> alex: and they will ask themselves, "what year is this?"

[laughs] >> david: i jumped the gun, by the way. i didn't know we were going to go into that second part. >> harris: i don't think you should give away anything. >> david: questions are republicans want to ask -- i saw several on air saying, "i don't want to tell you what questions i'm asking. i do want to jump the gun to give him an answer before he gets it." there are legitimate questions to be asked about what he didn't look into and why he didn't look into it. >> harris: i would like to know why he didn't fall down one way or the other on obstruction. again, i don't think anybody needs to give anything away. i think these are just the basics. i would also like to ask him, "you said you weren't going to talk about this anymore. why are you here?" >> jessica: because he got subpoenaed. you want it's different. >> jessica: that was the office of legal counsel guidance. he made that clear from the get-go that he would be making a decision. he did everything by the book fair. do i wish he had come down on that? absolutely, with those ten points of obstruction of justice that he laid out. absolutely. to say this will just be a book

on tape -- look at the changing public opinion on the issue of impeachment and look at who's telling the truth, between trump and mueller, based on on the 9 minutes of press conference where he said, "i would have told you if i could say for sure that he did not obstruct justice." so even the glimmer of "heated" has moved the needle there. i think it's important -- also, when republicans say we spent $30 million, let's talk about the starr report. we feel that absolutely nothing. >> david: are you kidding? [laughs] eight yielded a plea deal! >> melissa: here are some of the challenges for democrats print some of my favorite quotes. "this is not going to be a whole bunch of members freelancing. this is going to be organized." "i think we have to resist the impulse to editorialize." that was a congressman from maryland. and adam schiff, saying, "we are going to be economical in our questions and very well-organized." no matter which party you are in, it's very hard for these politicians to do what they are

saying they are going to try and do in this setting, to be economical, organized, and not editorialize? i don't think anybody in washington can do that. >> harris: when you subpoena somebody already told you this, they won't tell you anything more. where are we going? we will move on. president trump inspected to make a big announcement in the rose garden today about adding a citizenship question to next year's census. what would be the fall out if he does take matters into his own executive hands? the debate you don't want to mess, next. ♪ wit looks like jill heading offe on an adventure. jill has entresto, a heart failure medicine that helps her heart so she can keep on doing what she loves. in the largest heart failure study ever, entresto was proven superior at helping people stay alive and out of the hospital. it helps improve your heart's ability to pump blood to the body.

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doing already?" >> melissa: republican congressman jim jordan on the debate over putting a citizenship question on the census. as we await president trump's remarks in the rose garden later this evening, the president is expected to address the debate, and fox news is learning he will likely announce some kind of executive action. the final details are still being worked out. in the meantime, a second federal judge, this one in maryland, has barred the doj from switching its legal team on the census question. the 2020 presidential candidate, senator amy klobuchar, saying the question does not belong on the census. watch. >> now i guess you have the president looking for rationale behind every painting and under every sofa in the oval office. but the truth is they don't have a rationale. they originally have the commerce secretary and the justice department saying, "we are going forward with the census." i know he says he will have another surprise for us this afternoon but i'm very hopeful

that surprise had better be that we are going to get the census out there. >> melissa: alex, i will go to you first because you do research. so when you hear people say, it "if you go to anyone on the street they will say we have this on the census, isn't it there already?" is that true? >> alex: five believe polls show a majority of americans to support the citizenship question. >> david: a super majority pre67%. >> alex: because it's normal, reasonable thing. if i were president trump and this somehow gets jammed up in litigation, which is likely to do with the issues at the executive order, i would take it around to every rally in the country, every swing state, and say not only did the democrats up on that stage all raised their hands to give out free health care to illegal immigrants and who want to have them in this country with no penalty -- we now can't even count them. we can't even know how many of them they are. that would be a huge rallying cry for his base and for independent voters who think that's a reasonable thing to ask on the census. >> david: you know who else

agrees with 67% of the american people that it should be on? justice roberts, who actually is siding -- he said in the beginning of his decision, and of course he said there were other meta-getting factors, but he said, "but decision putting the citizenship on the census was reasonably explained, particularly in light of the long history of the citizenship question on the census." that is justice roberts. of course, then he goes in saying that his decision was not decisive because there might have been other mitigating factors. >> jessica: he called it "contrived." >> david: it gets very complex. but clearly the public is on the side of it being on the census, and so is justice roberts himself. >> jessica: clearly not. >> david: no, clearly he is, i just read it! >> alex: the legitimacy of the question was not questioned by the court. >> jessica: with legitimacy of the reason that they want it is absolutely not legitimate. we talked about this earlier. >> harris: the legitimacy is

not legitimate? >> jessica: the rationale they gave for wanting the question on there is not legitimate. it goes back to that 2016 memo by now-deceased republican operatives that said we need this on the census so we can disenfranchise minorities and people of color in the urban centers, favored the rural area areas. when you have -- the fear is that people with noncitizens in their own, or if they are noncitizens, that they want to answer the question. we will talk about the i.c.e. raids coming up. if you have an administration that is going to people's homes and now saying they can run people up and call it "collateral," so you might be separating even more families, no one is going to answer that question. >> harris: there's a couple things here that are just immutable fact. when you look back at president obama's presidency -- not to be too redundant there -- one of the things that he actually was not given credit for very often is that he was -- he had a nickname, "deported in

chief." but when you break down the numbers he led more than any other president on the issue of deporting people who were committing crimes while in country after committing the original crime after crossing or overstaying visas. crossing the border or overstaying visas illegally. when you look at it, this shouldn't even be a political issue. this should be an issue about our sovereignty as a nation. and everybody ought to be on the hill, coming up with ways. senator daines is coming up with a way to shore up the white house on this. in terms of making the argument again, taking a second bite at the apple. >> david: the courts -- >> harris: the judge said the argument wasn't -- >> jessica: constitutional power -- >> david: they are getting into politics again. we want the courts out of politics. justice roberts -- >> melissa: they are all yelling at me! any report of the trump administration will be launching those nationwide i.c.e. deportations jessica was talking about us and is this weekend. will this extend the crisis at the southern border and will congress take action on asylum

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picked picked up for the reporting is that there could be collateral deportation. they go into a home looking for a specific person, and then they can take extra people. do you think this can backfire on the administration? >> melissa: i think there's a lot of misinformation when we talk about this.

what mazie hirono just said there, which she said -- >> david: it's true. >> melissa: exactly. but it's not illegal to seek asylum. the people they are targeting with this particular raid are people who have had their day in court. and i have been denied asylum. >> david: bingo. >> melissa: they've been through the system. they've been given their fair shot, and they have not qualified. they've committed other crimes. they've missed court dates. these are people who -- it's different from saying "we are going to go and look for random people who are here illegally and don't have papers and we are going to deport them." these are people that have been given their bite at the apple and have committed other crimes or have not qualified. so what she said was completely false and misleading, and irresponsible. >> david: at the risk of not having a full screen, i want to read a quote. "we can't embrace a policy to not deport those who enter or remain in this country illegally unless they commit a crime.

this is tantamount to public declaration that our borders are open to all." that was jeh johnson. he was president obama's head of dhs. when a man like that, with both democratic credentials and respected by republicans says it leads to open borders, you got to listen. >> jessica: you do. obviously, the targets have these deportation orders. the removal orders. i would love to hear what you have to say about those collateral deportations and also that acting dhs chief, kevin mcaleenan, has expressed concern that families are going to be split up. that there are parents who might have removal orders with american children. >> i think the problem for democrats on this issue -- and this is on display, there is no limiting principle when it comes to immigration. there is no limiting possible to say who can come into our borders and who cannot. should the board is open for everyone? should be criminalized? they don't have any kind of way of saying that these people should be in our country. the raids, while they are painful to watch, it's not

pleasant, they enforce a law. they enforce our national sovereignty and our national board. i don't think that's in the reasonable thing for most people to contemplate here. >> melissa: what is unreasonable, though, is the idea that you have congress people standing around and having an awning over what's going on when it's really in their power to do something. it's from needing a massive overall. people in the saddam of the table. she got the ball rolling when nancy pelosi voted yes on that. she sat there and did that. it's open to republican succumb to the table and sit opposite her, and the need to work together on a solution. because they are the only ones who can fix then they are not doing it. >> jessica: we've got to go. more "outnumbered" in just a moment. guess what?

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