i will invite you on radio show, 618 of the best talk radio shows in america. i will give you three hours there. we get a lot of criticism on the program. we will talk, we will have a conversation. i hope you will join us. let not your heart be troubled. laura ingraham, i think that is a good offer, would you take it? >> laura: i think we might've done the same thing a couple months ago. no luck at. >> sean: listen, i'm in the car driving home, i can't watch your show every second! i watched the rerun! >> laura: i'm just glad you're following in my footsteps, hannity. i'm just kidding! i think it is a great offer. >> sean: you know what, really? >> laura: you cannot take a joke, okay? you are this mixed martial arts champion in my mind. >> sean: yeah, that is what i do. you know what we do on pain day, mysql ensei does this thing to calcify your arms. i do all that. >> laura: hannity, do you actually do push-ups on your

knuckles? >> sean: i do. >> laura: your hands are pretty -- >> sean: 200 a day. 200 sit-ups a day and we train an hour and a half a day. five days a week. >> laura: i have punched you in the stomach -- >> sean: it doesn't move. >> laura: it did did hurt. i have to tell you. >> sean: i don't know why i let people punch me in the stomach. but you know what i said, it would actually be good for conservatives and liberals to actually talk to each other now wow more. bill clinton actually got a lot done when he worked with republicans. >> sean: new gingrich, balanced the budget. and changed welfare as we know it. >> laura: we would be a lot better off. >> sean: how about you and i, i will do an hour with her, you do an hour with her. >> laura: or someone else, doesn't have to be just one person. i think it's good. >> sean: i will give her credit, she has courage. because pelosi called her out. and she is like, i'm doing what i want to do. i like that part. the ideas are a little nutty.

>> laura: yeah, i have a little to say about that in my "angle." but you had a fantastic show tonight. you take care. i am laura ingraham, this is "the ingraham angle" from washington tonight. what does it really mean to be an american citizen? my "angle," and victor davis hanson just moments away. plus, you can't read a story about jeffrey epstein without seeing his name pop up here tonight, alan dershowitz will offer his exclusive response. also, the fight between, as hannity just mentioned, aoc and nancy pelosi intensified today after the speaker was charged with racism. minority leader kevin mccarthy is here with his view from the other side of the aisle and finally, merely suggesting our bloated voter roles are rife for fraud will get you labeled a conspiracy theorist. but tonight we talk exclusively to the man who blew the lid on this outrageous story. don't miss it. but first, american identity under assault. that is the focus of tonight's

"angle." the historical purge that we are witnessing all over the country is part of a larger agenda. to destroy what it means to be american. and it's getting more audacious by the day. in st. louis park, minnesota, the geniuses on the city council there recently decided to ban the pledge of allegiance from town meetings. their reason? to create a more welcoming environment to a diverse community. oh, welcoming to everybody but americans who actually love the pledge. residents were rightly outraged by this insanity. a local patriots it out and they stood up to the city council. >> to the republic for which it stands, one nation under god -- usa! usa! >> laura: then in san francisco, the public defecation capital of the world, taxpayers are going to shell out $600,000 to

paint over a george washington mural that offended a few snowflakes over there. let me get this straight, people bee peeing in the fountains and stepping on dirty needles, that is not offensive? but the first founding father is? perfect. why would everyone after hearing these kinds of stories, still be surprised when someone like meghan rapinoe, who knelt in the national anthem in 2016 still refuses to respect it today? or when midfielder allie long drags the american flag on the ground while representing the u.s. on the world stage? and while mugging for the cameras, then drops the flag like it's a piece of trash. thankfully, another midfielder kelly o'hara picked it up. and of course, rapinoe discovered early on that permanent mvp status when you kick a donald trump. like when she used foul language n nixing any traditional

white house visit to the champions. this is before they even won the world cup. the easiest path to social media start today is one where you take cheap swipes and america symbols and traditions. and you must understand that the left truly believes america itself is illegitimate to its core. what am i talking about? well, its founding was fraudulent. they believe its founding documents, meaningless. all because of slavery. and the people who are involved in it. our progress on racial issues is conveniently ignored by cynical actors who are frankly using these part past horrors for a power grab and, they hope, a total reorganization of our society here and a massive wealth confiscation. the phrase white privilege, it is now the preferred weapon of choice, and is used by socialist

know-nothings to tar their political opponents and avoid real debate. only guess what? now even old white democrats are in the privilege cross hairs. >> joe biden fumbles all the time. joe biden suffers from old white male entitlement where he just can't simply say, i was wrong. >> laura: liberal women aren't immune either. this week, speaker pelosi learned that the race tables can quickly be turned on her, too. she is now under fire by the four horse women of the apocalypse. freshman congresswoman, who claim pelosi's "singling out the newly elected of color." when asked today about the charge, this is how alexandria ocasio-cortez responded. >> knowing the media environment that we are operating in, knowing the amount of death threats we get, knowing the amount of concentration and

attention, i think it's just worth asking why? >> do you think it is racial animus? >> no, no. absolutely not. >> laura: that is a neat trick, isn't it? aoc blasts everyone and any one any time of the day or night on social media, but when the leader of her own party called her out, she cries foul. no, no, nancy is not a racist. but lest -- well, but, president trump is routinely subjected to this kind of attack. his plan to put citizenship, the question on the fences was derided as racist by democrats. and today, he shot back. >> now they are trying to erase the very existence of a very important word and a very important thing, citizenship. we must have a reliable count of how many citizens, noncitizens and illegal aliens are in our country.

>> laura: bingo. how is this controversial? asking about citizenship? it's like a question that has nothing to do with race at all. it's about who is american and who is not. by the way, african-americans have been the most directly impacted by the mass flow of illegal immigrants in the united states. no wonder polls now show a majority of black and hispanic voters support adding the question to the senses. -- to to the census. erasing our history, our sense of who we are is making it easier to turn america into just kind of another member of a globalist superstate. europeans sacrificed their identity years ago on the altar of globalism when they formed the european union. look at what it got them. [all singing]

>> laura: we may have mass morons of antifa to deal with but we don't have yellow vest shutting down entire cities or a brexit style mess to deal with. or a recession on the horizon like we see with germany. there is a price for surrendering your sovereignty and your identity and we are going to pay it if we don't defend our history and our traditions. and that's "the angle." joining me now, victor davis hanson, senior fellow at the hoover institution. victor, why can't the left see the value of symbols and traditions that don't blur the differences that we have the mistakes we made, but have the effect of binding us together at a time when it so much else ripped us apart? >> i think they feel that if they were to do that they would

not win elections. and that they have to change the past and the present so they can have power in the future. it's a war of demography, a war over making residents equal to citizens. their view, the argument they are advancing, we were so sinned, we the americans, we're so sinned at our origins, we can't be modified, adapted, or improved. we have to be dismantled and reconstituted according to their agenda. therefore, they are going to a lot of power and influence in the future. when you mention all of these incidents, the san francisco murals or the nike shoe controversy, or the soccer team. this is the trench warfare with the soldiers at the front who are fighting for these elites we see in the democratic primary who are advocating health care for all across borders, who are escorting people illegally into the united states, attacking the past, demanding reparations.

remember "the new york times" a video op-ed where they say we are just okay, not really exceptional. or what senator omar detailed in a recent sent "washington post" interview where she said she was very disappointed after leaving a refugee camp to see that things weren't too good here in the land of her host. this is the raw side of what the elites are talking about but it is the same agenda. to create a new future by reconstituting or redefining the past and the present. >> laura: don't you agree if america herself is illegitimate, of course of the founding documents and the principles under earbuds undergirding those documents have to be swept away and rewritten because they are written by old racist white guys. they have to be rewritten, reconstituted, reformed and refounded as something very different. that seems to be where this is going because there is no concern for actual historical reference, context.

it's either evil or good and everything in the past is evil and everything now and present is good. until that becomes evil. >> we are not a physical society where we work all day in the field so we have the luxury of affluence and security and leisure to think that the world works the way your app does or your smart phone, and we believe that we are not perfect and not good, and that the sins of humanity, which exist today, sexism, racism in every country to a much greater degree than they do in the united states, those are uniquely our sins because we should be perfect, just like our technology. if we are not perfect right now then somebody has to be blamed, labeled, called out as a racist or a sexist or a class oppressor and of course, unspoken is the reality, the subtext is a nobody wants to go to russia. nobody wants to go to china. nobody wants to go to any country in africa or latin america or most of asia.

you mention what's wrong with europe. that's not where the great universities are, that is not the military that protects the world. that is not the largest oil and food producer. but they have the leisure to say that because we are so successful. but if we were to listen to them, if we were to dismantle all these institutions then we wouldn't be where we are and the world would be forever lost. would -- the world would be poorer for the loss. >> laura: real quick, i want to play some responses for you. native american elder who spoke out against that george washington mural, the move to cover that up. it really interesting from him. let's watch. >> those of you who are offended by these mural, as an elder, i need to educate you on something. ss we need these as visual records of what has happened to our people in the past. to remove these murals would be a travesty. we would not just be removing history, but you will be removing a visual truth. >> laura: from the choctaw nation, oklahoma, i

found there to be more wisdom in him than any of these elites who are supposedly suddenly offended by murals that were painted and envisioned by a new deal democrat, by the way. >> i do, too. i probably don't agree with him but he is probably telling us that history is not melodrama. it is a tragedy when two peoples collide. it is not a melodrama, some hollywood script that we reduce it to. >> laura: victor, finally, joe biden responded to trump and the america first agenda. i want to play it very quickly for you because he is responding to what we were talking about really tonight. watch. >> donald trump's brand of america first has too often lead to america alone. trust of the institutions around the world is down and fear of the other is way up. these forces have driven dangerous resurgence is of

extreme nationalism and lib liberalism, of protectionism and xenophobia. >> laura: the bushes kind of said that and didn't hillary say a lot of that? it didn't work. >> yeah, what donald trump inherited was a mess with iran, china, north korea and joe biden doesn't have the moral authority to talk to anybody about racists. he said he was the first clean, articulate black figure to run for office. he made fun of indian americans and doughnut shops in delaware. he is a long history of gaffes that have a racist change to and -- ting to it. and he has no current ability on -- he has no credibility on that topic. he should be quiet for his own good. >> laura: victor, thank you so much. as we mentioned in "the angle," president trump announced that he immediately issued an executive order to get an accurate count of noncitizens and citizens in the united states but not on the 2020 census. >> the supreme court ultimately

affirmed our right to ask the citizenship question. the supreme court also ruled we must provide further explanation that would have produced even more litigation and considerable time delays. these delays would have prevented us from completing the census on time. >> laura: joining me now, former deputy assistant general, johnny yoo. john, his critics said he backed down. but can he still get the same information through these databases? or was this kind of a way to kind of blur up the fact that they didn't really get what they wanted in the end. or do what they wanted. >> i'm afraid you are right. it looks to me like this is a retreat from the position the administration was taking a few days ago. the supreme court said it is legitimate for the government to try to ask a question on the census. are you a citizen or not? it is legitimate for the

government to figure out how many citizens and how many aliens there are in the country. it has a lot to do with law enforcement, immigration law, social services, federal spending. it is a completely legitimate question. but i think president trump really did have it right. the supreme court, the chief justice and four liberals put the president in a tough spot by delaying the issue for so long it made almost impossible to have the census of physically printed to get the question in there. >> laura: cam la harris spoke out about the census issue today. let's watch. >> what this president is contributing to is a faulty census that we will have to live with for the next ten years. it is highly irresponsible because it is yet another example of this president trying to interfere and weaken our democracy. >> laura: that was it tonight. trying to interfere with our democracy. now this is -- a lot of people think she is going to be the democrat nominee.

a lot of people think that now. the obamas are backing her and she's going to go all the way and be the nominee. okay? what the heck is she talking about there? >> i'm not sure. i don't see how it interferes with democracy to know how many citizens are in the country and how many aliens. the left has a claim that merely trying to find out how many citizens are in the country somehow depresses the number of people who respond to surveys and so on. well, they can't complain about what donald trump is doing because he is not asking about citizenship. he is going to try to get those numbers from existing databases, from information the government already has. it's not clear whether that will yield of the most accurate count like you could've had with the census but it is hard to claim that this is going to depress the number of aliens who report themselves in the country. >> laura: [laughs] it makes no sense. it's ridiculous. almost out of time but real quick, they are apparently going to do some interior enforcement of people who have exhausted

their due process rights, their appeal, who are illegal aliens in the country, they need to go home. that's our law on the books. why is it the federal government i is announcing these raids? can you understand that? why don't they just do these things? why don't they announce it in the "the new york times" has a big weepy headline about it and everybody freaks out in the networks are giving advice to people, and basically evade i.c.e. why would they announce it that way? >> i don't know, laura. i think it is a big mistake. i agree, it would be far better if the government just every day 46 -- enforced immigration laws rather than saving up all their time and resources for these high-profile raids. and as you say, everyone knows they are coming so they are not going to be that effective. >> laura: we need to do that in foreign policy. we are not going to >> laura: we are not going to do, we are just going to do it.

so i'm not sure why we are not taking that approach may it always good to see you end up next, jeffrey epstein now suing alan dershowitz claiming he's part of a sex trafficking ring. dershowitz is up next to respond. respond. 6 one of the benefits we as a country give our veterans is eligibility for a va loan for up to 100% of your home's value. so if you need money for your family, call newday usa. with automatic authority from the va, we can say yes when banks say no.

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judge to allow the alleged pedophile to stay in his million-dollar new york mansion while awaiting trial. now one of epstein alleged victims has filed a defamation suit against alan dershowitz, alleging that he was also part of an illicit sex trafficking ring. in moments, alan dershowitz will be here exclusively to respond. but first we go live to jonathan hunt in our west coast news or with the back story. jonathan? >> good evening, laura. professor alan dershowitz was the first named in a legal document connected with jeffrey epstein in a lawsuit challenging epstein's infamous plea agreement more than a decade ago. a woman by the name of virginia accused several prominent figures of having taken part in alleged sex abuse. alan dershowitz and prince andrew were among those named. the woman says dershowitz had sex with her when she was underage, aboard epstein's planes in homes in new york, new

mexico, and the virgin islands. in march of this year, alan dershowitz took to twitter to tweet a direct accusation against me and followed up with, my false accusers want to accuse -- my false accusers won't accuse me on twitter but i will accuse them. i hereby accuse my false accusers of committing a felony of perjury and challenge them to sue me for defamation. they won't because they know the truth will land them in prison. virginia then sued alan dershowitz for defamation. she accuses him of making false and malicious defamatory statements against her, including claiming that she is a certified complete, total liar and that she made up the accusations in order to obtain money from a wealthy businessman. and the lawsuit using his former -- using her former name, robert, repeats the core accusations against dershowitz, saying "during the time. that she was being traffic, she was forced to have sex with alan dershowitz. roberts was forced to engage in

sexual acts with dershowitz in, among other locations, epstein mansion in new york city." the suit was filed in the southern district of new york. in april. dershowitz filed to dismiss the lawsuit saying it was designed more for the media than the court. they have filed an opposition to dismiss that accusation. >> laura: here now to bruce fonda's harvard law professor and offer of the introduction to the unpublished mueller report. good to see you tonight. why not fight this out in court in an effort to clear your name? >> well, i am going to. i have to do two things. i have to defend the first amendment right of every american to respond to false charges, and second, if the case does go to court, to show that she is a liar. let me repeat categorically, she made up the whole story. i never met this woman, it was part of an extortion plot to obtain a billion dollars from a

-- from leslie wexler, a businessman, the man who owns victoria's secret. her own lawyer admitted to me on tape that it would be impossible for me to have been in the various locations at those times and that his client is "wrong. he simply wrong." i commissioned an investigation from the former head of the fbi who concluded that she was wrong. her own lawyers withdrew the chargings, saying it was a mistake to do so. this same woman who accused me accused bill clinton and al gore and tipper gore of being on jeffrey epstein's island, and the reports of the secret service -- >> laura: bill clinton did go to the island. right? >> no, he was never on the island. he was never on the island. he was never there. >> laura: he was never there, ever. >> no, he was never there. he issued a statement the other day saying he was never on the island and secret service confirmed he was never on there >> laura: there are discrepancies.

there were discrepancies on other matters with bill clinton. he said he was only on two flights, four, turns out there were six. the secret service was always with him. it turns out they weren't always with him when he was on epstein's plane. i wouldn't throw yourself into a bill clinton on this necessarily. >> let's talk about al gore. she claims that al gore was on the island. not only did they not know jeffrey epstein but guess who al gore's lawyer was? david boyce, the same lawyer who claims that this woman made these improper allegations. he could've easily called his client, al gore, and said, were you ever on jeffrey epstein's island? and he would've told her what he told everyone else. no. he was never on the island, didn't know anyone at all. the interesting thing is that epstein is being prosecuted now and they are not using this witness. the fbi and the u.s. attorney's

office are not using this witness. >> laura: does she have the same lawyer? does she have that same lawyer that you said you have on tape? still representing her? >> yes. david boyce, who has at his law firm, one of the worst ethical records in the history of the united states. they have more ethical charges against them than any other law firm. >> laura: it's a big law firm. >> but he is the head of the law firm. he was charged with unethical conduct by "the new york times," in the weinstein case. he was charged with questionable 4r in the feranos case. he has absolutely no court -- no credibility. but in this case, he knows the client made up the whole story and he told me that. i have it on tape. all i did was repeat basically on tape what he had told me. loaf >> laura: that is devastating if you have it. yeah, got it, got it. >> so the story is a lie.

>> laura: journalist vicki ward made this comment about -- told acosta would make -- you told acosta you would make mincemeat out of the women. let's listen. >> the light that the "miami herald" shed on the victims' stories that were incredibly poignant and credible. remember back in 2008, alan dershowitz chose alexander -- alan dershowitz told alexandra acosta, told journalists, he going to make mincemeat of these women. >> laura: what does that mean? >> there is no truth to that at all. i met with acosta only once with a group of lawyers. we probably had 50 lawyers. it will confirm i never said anything like that. what we did say is there's no credible evidence that epstein at that time had transported any underaged women in interstate commerce. that was required. by the way, virginia roberts was

not underage. her own lawyer and she have all admitted now she didn't start working for epstein until she was 17 years old, and that she doesn't even claim that she had sex with numerous people she claims she had sex with former american congressman until she was well, well overage. so she's lied just about everything. and, of course, it's the job of the defense attorney to -- >> laura: yeah, you're arguing the case. >> the case is based on the credible evidence. >> laura: alan, i can't believe i don't know the answer to this question but i don't. do you still represent him? >> no. >> laura: when did you stop representing him, epstein? >> i stopped representing him when the deal was made. i haven't seep him in years. and, you know, if his lawyers call me and ask me a question about the deal, of course as a lawyer, i have to answer that question. i was introduced to him by the lady rothchild, the people who hung out with him, the president of harvard, provost of harvard.

my relationship with him was academic. we went to conferences. we had seminars in his office. none of us had any inkling that he had this other live. as soon as we learned about it, obviously, all of us ended any kind of a social relationship. i then became his lawyer. i'm proud of the fact that i represented him. i represented a lot of controversial people. and we got a deal. some people criticize the deal, but you can't criticize the defense attorney for trying to get the best deal possible. but i want to categorically again say i never met this woman, she made it up completely. i will continue to say that until the day i die. and when i die, my children will continue to say it. it's a total categorical lie. >> all right, al ap, we appreciate you coming on today. the story is explosive and obviously the underlying allegations against epstein are horrific. appreciate your joining us tonight. nancy pelosi is lashing out at aoc now over the latest attack on the speaker.

a new e-mail reveals the rift is further divided in the democratic party. will this up help the gop in 2020? kevin mccarthy, the house majority leader, joins me next on set.

>> i referenced a tweet that referenced our blue dog, our dems as racist. i got an overwhelming response from my members because they know what the facts are. >> laura: what a day for the democrats. that is speaker pelosi referring to a deleted tweet from the chief of staff saying in part, quote, the blue dog caucus seemed hell bent to do to black and brown people today what the old southern democrats did in the 1940s. a response from a blue dog staffer in the e-mail saying the aoc chief of staff called them racists, the group included people of color and two black men who actually experienced the segregated south. and now a congressman is likewise calling out aoc saying, quote, because you can't get your way, you resort to using the race card? i find it juvenile? i find their ignorance to be beyond belief about american

history. here now, house minority leader, kevin mccarthy. the table can be turned quickly when race is a card that you drop just to avoid an argument. >> that's what they try. this is internal war. this isn't a family feud. this is beyond what anyone thinks. you see also you didn't put up what aoc's chief of staff said yesterday, challenged any voter to tell us what the democrats have accomplished for america's kitchen table and then questioned the legislative mastermind referring to nancy pelosi. >> well, is this just a passing rift here? is it -- >> no. no. >> because what are they doing now? they're challenging the democrats in primaries. the social -- the socialist democrats are taking over, not only are they taking over the party, they're going to take on any democrat in that process as well. so they're not doing any legislative business. and it's affecting what they do on the floor. we've got the national defense authorization bill up. for 60 years, it's been

bipartisan, passed the senate with 86 votes, they made it completely partisan. instead of putting the troops first, they've gotten to politics because of the socialists >> laura: aoc, as i said in my angle, criticizes anybody anywhere any time she wants on social media. that's fine. you're in the big dog's pen now, all right? big dogs bite. you bite it a bit, you're going to kill the king, kill the king. you can't pretend to -- i can't get it. you're strong, young girl power, or is it okay i get hit and it's the dam dash damsel in distress thing. i don't understand that. it's woman, hear me roar and then don't -- >> well, she wants. >> laura: i don't like that. it's kind of cool in some ways but it doesn't work. >> think for one moment, a year ago this month, you never heard of her until she beat crowley in a primary. she's moved very fast. but she wants to use advantage. she'll fight until you fight back and she wants to play a

race card or something lope you can't ever criticize a person of color. we have people of color, democrats saying whoa, whoa, huh-uh. now let's talk about what's happening this weekend. the administration, i talked about this to john yoo a couple of months ago, has announced they're doing ten major city raids. it was delayed earlier after an outrage and i don't really know why it was delayed. but here's senator mazie horono about who's being targetled. >> a lot of people do have supposedly deportation orders. withe know of cases of people who had deportation orders and are appealing their orders. >> laura: i don't know if that's a hawaiian way of saying, "that's not true." but that's not even true. even "the new york times" agrees. that's not the worst thing we heard today about the raids. >> very reminiscent of nazi, germany. just saying, not supposed to make that connection, but i've been around long enough and i read enough to know this is very

similar to what happened to the jews. >> how do we ever, ever have an immigration policy if this is the kind of language. >> unbelievable. >> laura: no deportation, you can't deport people, detain them, and you can't criminalize border crossings, what else? >> america's greatest strength is the rule of law. these individuals had their day in court. legally it tells them they have to leave. it's not like someone is going to pick them up. they had their day. the court ordered them to leave, they will not leave. and we're going to say that's not right? they're going to pick them up, they're going to deport them just as the law said we should do. >> laura: just like bill clinton, diane finestein. i love the old clips, harry reid. >> in the house, they said in the state of the union, how many people did president obama report? >> laura: 2020 dems tonight on the raids. let's watch. >> this is all kinds of wrong. and we're a better country than this to be separating families.

>> it's really not about making america safer, but about striking fear to as many people as possible in order to keep this crisis in the headlines. >> crime against humanity. >> oh. >> laura: crime against logical thought but -- >> she was a prosecutor too. she has a law degree. doesn't she believe in the rule of law? if she -- if she broke the law, would she uphold it? >> laura: who else gets a pass? who else can avoid court orders? >> yeah. they want to allow everybody to just come in the country whether it's illegal or not. what are we doing with the 130,000 homeless in california? how many of those are veterans? but now we're going to encourage people to come here illegally, provide them health care, but not take care of the americans that are here. it's absurd what they believe. >> laura: it's come a long way, baby, hadn't it? >> we can't allow it to go on. >> laura: social media summit, was it -- >> it was good. real good. you should be very concerned, one about your privacy, and one these companies have so much control, 90% of every search

goes through google, what they know about you, what they can say about you, what they can determine and affect what you understand. >> laura: by the way, real election meddling could be coming. >> not from russia. but from -- >> laura: yeah, real election meddling from big media. i'm glad this is being examined by the administration. a lot more done by the justice department. thank you so much, congressman. would american technology really help china, though, increase our surveillance? oh no. the answer should send shivers down your spine. it will, next. or atopic dermatitis, you feel like you're itching all the time. and you never know how your skin will look. because deep within your skin an overly sensitive immune system could be the cause. so help heal your skin from within, with dupixent. dupixent is not a steroid, and it continuously treats your eczema even when you can't see it. at 16 weeks, nearly four times more

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movements being tracked from the airport to the hotel and pest an office building. the coming collapse of china and steven mosier, president of the research institute, author of "bully of asia." if this is true, what exact will i are they contributing to? >> well, they're certainly contributing to china's behavior to control its citizens. by the way, laura, that's by no means an exceptional circumstance or by no means the worst. for instance, google has artificial intelligence partnerships with can with tsinghua university, peking university and building the university of science and technology with china meaning they have a connection with the chinese military all the time google is refusing to work with the pentagon on ai and cloud computing. this is near treason nows. -- treasonous.

>> laura: i -- gordon and i have been talking about this, i don't know, how long? 20 years. steven, you've been on this for decades for well. how serious is this collaboration between big tech and the chinese government through the offshoot subsidized companies? and how dangerous could this be for u.s. geopolitical interests and the human rights, civil rights, all these things that liberals in google said were endangerled by the election of donald trump? but they're helping china? explain that. >> well, i don't know if i can explain that. it makes no sense at all. as gordon said, they refused to turn up their noses to help the pentagon defend us. yet at the same time, they're helping china, the chinese communist party developed 24/7 high-tech surveillance policy which basically puts every chinese citizen in a virtual prison and they want to extend the prison overseas. leap anyone said the capitalists will sell us the rope we use to

hang them. now the high-tech companies are selling china, the rope they're using to hang the chinese. make no mistake, after the chinese come, they will come for the rest of us. >> i will say this, hollywood, the left, and all their cater walling about trump doing this and he's the -- he's the -- you know this and that, every "ism" and "ist" that you can imagine. yet they have no compunction about working with a country that subjugates its people, puts them in prison camps, no religious liberty, no free speech, no political disninety rights. and they don't bat an eye. i got to play this. general dumfort making these comments about assisting chinese military of the u.s. companies, let's watch. >> we watch with great concern when industry partners work in china knowing there's that indirect benefit. the work that google is doing in china is direct -- indirectly benefitting the chinese military. >> laura: but he says "indirectly."

then patrick shanahan basically said, now former defense secretary now said, he said later on, no, no, it's directly assisting the chinese military. gordon, artificial intelligence, i know from my sources, high-level sources, that they're very worried about china's advances in artificial intelligence, yet, these companies are -- are giving the big assist on that one -- that one that holds a span of technology, that will change the way we interact with each other and the way pretty much everything in our society is done. how significant is that? >> yeah, it's extremely significant, laura. you had the formerle acting defense secretary shanahan, you know, he was correct when he said direct because google's participation in this national quantum lab on unwave province is a direct working with the chinese military because they are a partner in that lab. so there's no question about it. and clearly we need to

criminalize this behavior. it is up to us to make sure that google does not engage in this really repugnant and dangerous behavior. >> steven, real quick. we didn't trade with the soviet union. for all those years, soviet union eventually collapsed, why are we having any real economic relationship with china given their aims and their goals, which are stated. >> yeah, i think we ought to disengage the u.s. economy from the chinese economy. if we do that, the chinese economy will grind to a halt. the american economy will go strength to strength. we have to cut off high-tech transfers to china. we have to convince the high-tech they live on this side of the pacific and not on the chinese side of the pacific and rein in this kind of cooperation with the country that regards us as the enemy. if they regard us as the enemy, then we probably ought to reciprocate. >> laura: panel, thank you so much. fantastic conversation, two incredible people, incredible

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pernicious lie she likes to tell is about alleged voter fraud. >> president trump speaking out in the first television interview calling for major investigation to bogus claims of voter fraud. why? >> there's still no evidence of voter fraud but still thousands of trump supporters who say there is. >> saying at one point the very large voter irregularities were reported involving the very large numbers of people in certain states without providing any evidence of what states he's talking about. >> well, a pew research found that 2.75 million americans are registered to vote in two states. guess they don't think any of that is really bearability. -- important. i want now to introduce you to mark hemmingway who did investigative work to the bloated voter rolls and how that dynamic is rife for potential fraud down the road. are people conspiracy theorists for worrying about voter fraud? multiple votes? people who shouldn't be voting because they're not american citizens voting. >> i think there's a lot of

evidence that suggests people should be concerned about this. for instance, just in los angeles county alone, this is one county that recently admitted that there was 1.6 million more voter registrations on file than there are citizens of voting age that live in l.a. county. i mean, that's obviously a huge party and makes it rife for fraud >> laura: that's why a lot of these people also mark -- same people saying trump is nuts for saying this, they're against any voter id for voting. they don't believe you should have to verify your id to vote. it's interesting to do the vin diagram on the two groups of people that completely overlap. >> absolutely. the other part of this is localities and state governments have to do their due diligence on this. federal law requires they keep their voter rolls current. that is not going on. >> laura: stacy abrams from georgia, remember, she was defeated in her bid to be governor of georgia. she brought this issue up. let's watch. >> more than 1 million citizens

found their names stripped from the rolls by the secretary of state. tens of thousands hung in limbo, rejected due to human error and a system of suppression that had already proven its bias. >> laura: that sounded really ominous. like there was an effort to willy nilly take people off of the voter rolls to deny them their sacred right to vote. >> yeah, this has become a democratic talking point, regular voters, part of the voter effort. the secretary of state at the time, he pulled 1.4 million people off of the voter rolls in georgia but he did this over a period of eight years where overall registrations increased in the state. and further, we now know that 17 counties according to the latest data in georgia have more voter registrations than voters? it appears that he department pull enough people off of the rolls in georgia. >> laura: he wasn't aggressive enough in cleaning up the rolls. >> 11% of americans move every single year. you throw in deaths and all of

these other things, voter rolls have to be maintained. now democrats are saying it's a sinister plot if you go ahead and do this. >> laura: you know what this reminds me of the way they worded this, it reminds me of the way they treat the border, that merely enforcing current law is a racist thing. like merely deporting people who have literally been ordered deported by federal immigration judge. that's a sinister plot. it's kind of the same thing. blurring the rule of law. >> yeah, that's true. it's true that negligence is a huge problem. >> laura: this report is so important. we're going to have you on the pod cast next week. thank you for doing this. on hemingway, last bite, up next.

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[applause]. >> learning to sing a song. those moments are all we need. that's all-time we have tonight. don't forget my podcast, you're going to love it. you will see it in the podcast. shannon bream and the fox news at 19 have the latest developments. >> we will check it out, thank you. we begin with a fox news alert, a public feud looking to tear up the democratic party. congresswoman alexandria ocasio cortez and house speaker nancy pelosi upping the ante. our own chad program has the inside scoop on what some are calling a civil war. raids on i i