bob mueller may be testifies. >> julie: he may, he may not. who knows? >> bill: you're going to have a great weekend. >> julie: i hope you do come too. nice weather. "outnumbered" starts now. >> harris: and we begin with this fox news alert. alex acosta to step down as labor secretary effective one week from today. and it's all a mid-fallout from his role in a decade-old plea deal for accused child sex trafficker jeffrey epstein. the president said this was acosta's decision, not his, a short while ago the white house. you're watching "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner on this fine friday. here today, fox news contributor katie pavlich. also a contributor, jessica tarlov. and she's back! former "fox & friends" weekend cohost and contributor now, anna kooiman is with us. and in the center seat, chris stirewalt! fox news politics editor and cohost of "i'll tell you what"

podcast. >> chris: i'm looking to be here today, thank you for having me. >> anna: i love your podcast, i listen to you and dan as often as i can. >> chris: even in australia? >> anna: even down under. >> harris: that's a good way to get started! let's move. president trump president trump announcing labor secretary alex acosta will step down just two days after acosta vigorously defended his role in jeffrey epstein's 2008 plea deal. when he was the u.s. attorney for south florida. acosta also said he has an outstanding relationship with president trump. the president, before eating before departing the white house for wisconsin, set acosta was a great labor secretary and the decision to go was his. acosta stood at the president's side and spoke, as well. >> alex called me and he wanted to see me. and i said, "well, we have the press right out here. perhaps you just want to say to the press." but i want to let you know, this was him, not me. because i'm with him.

he is a tremendous talent. >> it would be selfish for me to stay in this position and continue talking about a case that is 12 years old, rather than about the amazing economy we have right now. >> harris: the president also pressed by reporters on his past relationship with epstein, whom he disavows. watch. >> i was not a fan of jeffrey epstein, and you watch people yesterday saying that i threw him out of the club. i didn't want anything to do with him. that was many, many years ago. it shows you one thing, that i have good taste. >> harris: meanwhile, a chorus of democrats cheering acosta's departure. here is house oversight chair elijah cummings, who had invited acosta to testify. >> i think secretary acosta did the right thing. there are questions surrounding the way he addressed the epstein

case. i am hopeful that the president will appoint someone who will be very sensitive to women in the workplace. >> harris: and i mentioned cheering, you've got people like congressman david cicilline of rhode island talking about kind of tearing down how he got there in the first place, acosta. i just remind everybody, eat democrats doing all of those republican senators to confirm alex acosta as labor secretary. >> chris: and alex acosta is a moderate. he was not the kind of conservative hard-charger that a lot of republicans wanted to see in the department of labor. they wanted the flaming sword out against big labor and those things, and acosta was quite moderate. that's part of the reason democrats not only voted to confirm them but protected him. this case, this plea deal, has been hanging over them for years. he was not a suitable choice for this job, in fact, because of this plea deal. it was a known fact. if it wasn't for the reporting

of the "miami herald," the good investigative reporting that reopen this thing, i don't think epstein would be facing these charges today and i think acosta would still be labor secretary. >> harris: jessica? >> jessica: i agree completely. julie kate brown of the "miami herald" has been leading this fantastic job. "the new york times" picking up where they left off. i think we all knew that he was going to go. it -- judge napolitano said by the end of the week. >> harris: chris stirewalt was the first dared to talk about why he should go, per what you saw from the white house. >> anna: he was a complete distraction. i don't think anyone was surprised he stepped on. he needed to do this. the optics of him standing next to acosta, saying that it's his decision, that says "i'm ready to be done with this, i need to move on and talk about the economy, get our border sorted out. iran and russia." this is a distraction. >> jessica: if i could add quickly, it was an unforced error for him to stand by him in the first place. we mentioned this briefly

yesterday. both men, the president and alex acosta, did not show proper level of remorse for what happened to these young women. donald trump tried to skirt over it saying he always thought epstein was a terrible guy. he said he's a terrific guy, said he likes beautiful women on the young side, too. >> harris: that was 2002. he did wouldn't talk about what happened. >> katie: he kicked him out of his club. >> jessica: but he also have calendar girls party with him. there are a lot of people. alan dershowitz should be worried, bill clinton, prince andrew, donald trump. none of these men should be free of blame or questioning for what their relationships where with jeffrey epstein. this is nonpartisan. the president is trying to skirt over that relationship, and it's not going to work out. >> katie: he's not skirting over the relationship, he distinctly said, including today, that he disavowed epstein. he's not a fan of him. he booted him out of his club. he doesn't have a relationship with him anymore, unlike a lot of people. the issue here now moving forward is that they are going

to haul secretary acosta in front of congress to testify about this. they're going to have to haul a lot of other people in front of congress, as well. there are democrats refused to go after this case in the same way. i thought his press conference earlier this week actually explain pretty well, look, sometimes it's a difficult decision when it comes to going to trial because he can lose. and there are tough choices that have to be made. this may have been the wrong one. there are very serious question still about the plea deal that was sought. however, hindsight is difficult when he talks about the team that he had at the time. it wasn't just acosta who made the decision to get the plea deal and the registration rather than going through a trial and essentially may be losing because the evidence wasn't clear-cut. the bar is very high. >> harris: the one thing i would step in on -- and that's where i heard you going, jessica -- this is really about those young girls and women. the idea that any sort of victims bill of rights would not

have been adhered to, the people were not let know that their voices would not be heard, those were the things that when the former republican governor of new mexico sat down with us this week, susana martinez, 25 years a prosecutor, said, "i want to know why that happened." so there's a lot of questions that didn't have anything to do necessarily with the plea deal but i did everything to do with how the victims were treated. >> chris: he failed the test. as a prosecutor, you are supposed to go harder against people of wealth and privilege. you are supposed to make an example of the billionaire. do you think that if we were talking about a middle-class person, a poor person in miami, do you think they would get this kind of a deal where the victims are notified of the circumstance? >> harris: the prosecutors have told me those deals would not have been cut. also, a deal that would not have been cut is the grounding. because it wasn't imprisonment, he was grounded. "oh, you can come and go." >> jessica: go to your office. >> chris: and this is where a person of privilege abuses has power and people like alexander

acosta -- and it's not just him, it's republicans and democrats who lay down for folks like this. >> harris: anybody surprised on the couch that he's gone? >> katie: i'm not at all. >> anna: i will say the crisis management team for acosta may be didn't handle this so odd, either. continue lustily to say they acted appropriately, times have changed, coverage of this case has certainly changed. how long ago was this? the dark ages? >> jessica: he threw the female prosecutor under the bus. harris, you and i were talking about this. very poor form. we have to look at the sweetheart deal he got in new york city where he didn't have the check in. >> harris: we are aware that person came in. so he was specifically asked, "as labor secretary you are now in charge with predominantly the policy on our southern border with regard to trafficking." and he said there was a person in his department and put it off on that person. again, lots of reporting about criticism that has come based on

some of the things that he said with regard to the victims and current human trafficking situations. so now the next point in all of this, politics at the white house. the president again ask about jeffrey epstein today. >> katie: that's a big part of why he's leaving. he says it was alex acosta's decision. i'm sure it was. >> chris: [laughs] he was dangling him off the roof of the white house. >> jessica: "just say it!" [laughter] >> jessica: on front page news and getting all the questions, putting up scene to the side, it becomes a huge problem to be of administration politically. >> harris: when you have a 3.6 unemployment percentage across the country, the president said, ticking off those economics. we will move on. tensions over the border crisis spilling over on capitol hill now. four freshmen democrats testifying migrant detention facilities are overwhelmed. but the white house says democrats who are refusing to deal with the underlying issuest the border. we will debate it. and president trump confirming he will go ahead with the plan

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>> this is a manufactured crisis, because there is no need for us to do this. there is no need for us to overcrowd and to detain and under-resource. there is no need for us to arrest innocent people and treat

them no differently than criminals when they are pursuing their basic human rights. >> katie: democratic congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez alleging dehumanizing treatment of migrants as tensions over the border crisis explode during a house oversight committee hearing this morning. ocasio-cortez joining three other freshman democrats describing what they call poor conditions after the recent tour of migrant detention facilities in texas. one of those freshman, rashida tlaib, getting emotional emotional. watch. >> stop sending money. it's not working. another one said, "i wasn't trained for this. i'm not a social worker. i'm not a medical care worker." he actually said, "i want to be at the border. that was i was trained to be at." the last one, mr. chairman, the separation policy isn't working, he said. he knew about the separation policy that he was enacting. cbp morale is one of the lowest

among law enforcement agencies, mr. chairman. >> katie: this coming after a dhs inspector general's report last month describe serious overcrowding at a texas detention facility. one senior manager at a facility calling the situation a "ticking time bomb." meanwhile, vice president mike pence will join some members of the senate judiciary committee today to tour a detention facility in mcallen, texas. but most democrats on the committee are reportedly not planning to take part. pence says he will bring it to tv cameras to prove migrants are getting care. now the argument from alexandria ocasio-cortez's we shouldn't be detain people at all who are coming across the border and seeking asylum. >> chris: that won't work. not only is that it politically impractical, that would not address this problem, either. again, we have people coming as refugees. people who are coming in distress. we have people who are coming in need. the problem is that they are coming. the problem here is they are

coming. detentions were down dramatically last month. besides substantial decline. we have no allocated monies to try and make that situation there better. but we need a long-term, structural solution that addresses both root causes in central america but also recognizes an effective way to deal with detention and adjudication at the border. we have to think bigger, not smaller. >> katie: enacting dhs secretary kevin mcaleenan was in the northern triangle trying to talk to those countries about how they can stem the flow. in terms of the emergency funding they went through, alexandria ocasio-cortez and rashida tlaib voted against that. while they are saying they are under-resourcing the problem, they're also voting against resources for the problem. >> jessica: is a bit of a double-edged sword there. the argument that they were making right there with saying that the money is not being properly allocated. so just sending billions and billions of dollars there doesn't mean that they are going to be fixing the problem. we need the structural systemic change. i happen to think both are true.

that we should have voted the bill, and i'm with nancy pelosi on that. it's not the best deal we could've gotten, but after chuck schumer went with it in the senate she had no choice but to push it through. i think it's important to have these moments, though, when members of congress are living conditions there. yesterday there was another one where a young woman who lost her child, two and half years old, there are reports that cbp -- there's been accusations of sexual harassment, that an officer went dominic put his hands down her pants and was laughing. there have been pediatricians not allowed into treat these children. they are getting given permission. i'm happy to see this, but money and structural change -- >> katie: harris, the white house has been fighting for the structural changes for almost a year now. they have been calling for changes in the asylum laws, calling for structural changes with the ways that detentions are handled. so where did they go from here? who had a number of congressional vision dominic visits and yet nothing seems to change with legislation that

would fix the problem. >> harris: we fed presidential, first lady visits. the system is so broken right now, and this president took a lot of criticism for one to bring this onto the political plate. you know, it's going to take everybody in one room. i looked and i watched aoc today, and she missed an opportunity. she could have started off with, "here are my ideas to fix this." she's got a green new deal. we need a border crisis deal. we need something. instead, she started off with defending why democrats had first said this was a manufactured crisis. she enumerated her ideas about why it's manufactured. i don't doubt her passion and her commitment. i don't doubt any one's in this room, in this hearing today. i teared up watching it. senator kamala harris on another network last night said that she visited a facility after the debate, along with a lot of her other democratic competitors,

that housed 2,700 children. look, this is a moment for our country to be different. and the president has tried on this. i'm wondering if now he needs to do what he did before, with infrastructure and other ideas. bring people to the white house. have that summit. no more vacations. i mean, he has tried to get lawmakers to stay behind on some of their breaks and get this done. it's time. >> anna: i will quickly say, too, i think you're right. everybody does need to come to the table. it's something that shouldn't be a partisan issue. it is dire straits down there, and we've got to do something for the democrats, like you said, a large portion of them, i read 9 out of 10, are saying, "i'm going to dig in my heels and not come" >> jessica: they go on their own trip, that's not -- it doesn't mean they are not going to the border. >> anna: in the meantime president trump confirming a report that i.c.e. raids will indeed start this sunday. >> there's nothing to be secretive about.

i.c.e.'s law enforcement. they are patriots. they have a tough job. nothing to be secret about. if the word gets out, it gets out. it starts on sunday and they are going to take people out and bring them back to their countries. >> katie: this, after "the new york times" reported the operational last several days in at least ten major cities across the u.s. and focus on thousands of illegal immigrant families already under deportation orders. some, for failing to appear in court. president trump had additional words to say about that. >> when people come into our country, we take those people out and we take them out very legally. they all have papers. end of the process. and i have an obligation to do it. they come in illegally, they go out legally. with the democrats should be doing now as they should be changing the loopholes. they should be changing asylum. >> katie: meantime, some democrats are pushing back against the raids. house speaker nancy pelosi took time during her news conference yesterday to offer advice to the immigrants when i.c.e. comes

knocking. >> and i.c.e. deportation warrant is not the same as a search warrant. if that is the only document i.c.e. brings to be home read, agents do not have the legal right to enter a home. it's simply not enough. families belong together. everyone in our country has rights. >> katie: so, jessica, the deportation orders are 4 million people who have been through the process, they've been through the court system, they've had their day in court, and yet now democrats are advocating for them to continue breaking the law by not answering the door when i.c.e. agents show up. >> jessica: the concern she speaking she was the development of the scope of what these raids are. when "the new york times" reported on this, that they had gotten leaks this was going to happen, they said they could also pick up collateral deportation. that's not for a person who just missed their court date or committed a crime beyond illegally entering the country. that somebody also lives in the

household. it's an extremely dangerous precedent. what she's doing, and a number of others that i wholeheartedly support, it's telling them their rights. go to the aclu website. contact an immigration lawyer if you're in this position, to find out what your rights are. it is a dangerous precedent to set that i.c.e. agents can come into a home and pick up people who are not under deportation orders, just because they are there. you will also be separating families, and acting dhs secretary kevin mcaleenan said that was a concern of his, people being separated from their parents. u.s.-born children who will use their parents. that feeds into this border crisis again. b1 ronald vitiello, former border patrol, ice, told me on the program yesterday that in fact it's what katie is talking about. these are people who already have been -- >> jessica: i'm talking about the collateral deportation's. that they said they could pick up other -- >> katie: but they have the right to do it anyway. >> jessica: they don't have orders to be picked up.

if you look at public sentiment on this, it's a majority of people -- "the new york times" reported it, everybody can look at it. they will pick up other people in the household who do not have status papers themselves. >> katie: who are here illegally. who broke the law to come into these countries. >> jessica: but katie, that's not what these rates are about. they are marketing it to us that it's people who have broken the law and not gone to court. >> harris: when president obama lead on this issue in terms of the numbers of people that he deported, north of 3 million, according to our brain research, and they, too, were going after the same group of people who were on a list ready to be deported. had committed other crimes outside of -- >> jessica: but i'm not talking about those. >> harris: i know, but had crossed and in this country illegally. additional crimes, their kicking was people out of the country. how is that handled differently than this in terms of -- or do we know? >> jessica: listen, we don't know, obviously. no, harris. we do know that there were not

orders given out, from these leaked documents. we will see what happens, that there were a million people on the list, and a million 500,000 get picked up because -- >> harris: i want to see the research on that. i think your first answer was right, we don't know. featured this attitude of not deportation of anybody, even if you have court orders and have been through the system, please to the 2020 democrats who say we should decriminalize entering the country without permission. >> chris: if this was an easy issue we probably would have sold it before. it cuts both ways politically. democrats being branded as the party of open borders, and the position they are taking is damaging for them. at the same time, if you're breaking up families and if you have parents who are withdrew from their children and sent to a foreign country, families torn apart, that looks bad for trump. so this one ain't easy. if it was, we would have fixed it. >> harris: amen. >> katie: moving on now, president trump resetting his fight over the senses, pushing federal agencies to share data on the number of citizens in the country. is this the right move? we will debate that up next.

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>> harris: tropical storm barry is gaining strength and bearing down on the louisiana coast at this hour, threatening a massive storm surge. barry expected to make it nightfall tonight or tomorrow. possibly add hurricane strength. preparations under way. the governor declaring a state of emergency, and ordering mandatory evacuations just yesterday for those and low-lying areas. it's been a busy week. president trump declared a federal emergency for the state yesterday, as well. the storm also forecast to deliver torrential rains. new orleans already hit with 8 inches this week. forecast resisting parts of the gulf coast could see up to 25 inches of rain. casey stegall is live in new orleans with the latest. casey? >> iris, you heard that right. 25 inches, and that is a number that has a lot of people scared. in order for it to be a categoro

have sustained winds of at least 74 miles per hour. if it's 73, that is still a tropical storm. so unclear whether barry will make landfall as as a cat 1 hurricane. if it does, it would be the first time in history it has happened when the mississippi river is as high as it is. it's still going up, because it's so early in the season. you can see how high the water is, nearing the top of the levy here. the river is already 16, 17 feet in most spots. for context, it's usually 6 or . in the lowest-lying areas, like over in parts of plaquemines parish, mandatory evacuation orders have been put into effect. although we've been told many residents are opting to stay and ride barry out. >> it's natural, people don't want to leave their houses.

before katrina we had a bunch of people that stayed, and we had smaller storms and all. they just got comfortable saying, "oh, it's not going to be that bad." then that came. it caught a lot of people off guard. so we are hoping that more people take heed and go. but it being a smaller storm. >> we are already feeling the outer band, the rain and heavy winds starting to pick up, so time is running out for people to make their last-minute preparations. sandbags, making trips to the grocery, they are getting boarded up, you name it. again, forecasters are wearing this will be more of a flooding event with the rainfall and potential storm surge with water is already high. not so much a wind event. it's still fairly unorganized out there in the gulf. harris, we are watching the tropics. we'll be here for you and keep you posted. >> harris: i remember when you

are on the streets of houston, texas, last season and we saw something similar to this. i saw you in tears back then. this is a lot of water. people need to heed the warning. >> yeah, it's scary. you can't play around with mother nature. we know that, harris, don't we? >> harris: casey stegall, stay safe. our best to the people there. president trump now going on a different route in his push to get the tally of the citizens in our country. the president says rather than try to force the citizenship question onto the 2020 census, he has now issued an executive order to have federal agencies share information about the number of citizens and noncitizens. the president says it will limited obstacles to data sharing and awfully get a complete count of citizens than if the census question were there. >> we have information that is probably more accurate than the information we can get by going in and asking somebody, "are you a citizen?" a lot of people are going to tell the truth. no, not only didn't i backed

down, i backed up. >> harris: democrats immediately characterize the president's move as a retreat, and 2020 candidates stepped up criticism of his push to get the data. >> wow, he's going to follow the law! [laughter] this is not about trying to find out real information about citizenship and noncitizenship in america. this is just about trying to stirrup some more hate. >> is highly irresponsible, because it's yet another example of this president trying to interfere and weaken our democracy. >> it sounds like a face-saving way to recognize he's been on the wrong side of the law throughout, tinkering with the census was clearly racially and politically-motivated. >> anna: what are they talking about? houses racially and put a good motivated? why would we not want to know not just how many people are here, but how many people actually citizens here? is this the democrats worried that somehow if you figure out how many citizens are instead as

population numbers that lines will be redrawn and representation will change? >> jessica: s, it's exactly that, because they admitted it was that. and there was a memo in 2016 that said exactly that and the president admitted it, and the supreme court said that their rationale was not good enough, that it was contrived. that was the word they use. >> katie: so you're admitting that illegal immigration benefits democrats when it comes to representation in washington, d.c.? >> jessica: no, i'm not admitting that at all. i'm admitting that this it administration -- rather, i'm stating that this administered in one of the census question so they could redraw districts to favor areas. to favor areas with -- well, rural areas, who have more white people in them. and to make sure that -- no, katie, to make sure people who are immigrants, which includes people of legal status, people who might still be scared of us, people in urban centers, are undercounted. >> katie: so why do we ask race on the census, then? because citizenship in terms of race -- you can be from any country in the world and be a noncitizen or a citizen. race is actually relevant when

it comes to asking the question of citizenship. but they do ask the question of race on the census just like they ask a lot of other questions. >> chris: i suppose that if our politics stay as stupid as they are for another generation, we would get to the point where the census has only one question per the constitutional mandate, just counting noses. >> harris: and toilets. [laughter] >> chris: antipoverty program but the constitution says you need it counted. you need to count the number of human beings in the united states, and we have turned the census into a lot of things. if the government is a lot of other here's what i figure. i figure as this goes forward, if everything becomes politicized, everything becomes weaponize, everything becomes a fight, we just can't have nice things. >> katie: here not not counting people. the assumption is you're not going to be counting illegal immigrants are people who are here on noncitizenship status s

so -- you are counting everybody. >> jessica: you are definitely not going to answer. >> katie: you are defining how people are just like with a number of other questions already on the census. >> harris: forgive me for a moment of lightness there, jessica. the real question here is whether or not people will participate in this in such a way that we get the right information. the president is saying that by utilizing some of the things that are already there, and then and backing that up even further with an executive order, he's hopeful that people participate at a higher level. >> jessica: that was actually the regulation of career census bureau officials that the get-go. when the justice department said they wanted to add this citizenship question, they recommended that they do this. this kind of data sharing process, that will cost $2 million versus $27 million for the question to be added. so the president is following the advice that he initially got. he just went on this terrible path and -- >> harris: does anybody on the couch and of the question to why the obama administration -- i had on roger fisk yesterday -- he said he worked on the 2010

census for the obama it administration and said, "the question was never there about citizenship." in the before our newscast ended i said, "look, they migrated it into the american survey." so the question since they are. >> chris: right. the american community survey, which is designed to get all of this other stuff, designed to harvest and all these other things, to katie's point, it doesn't just ask about your citizenship. it asks about gender, race, it asked about all these other things to get a fuller picture. i think you're missing the big story here, though. the big story is, what is up with pete buttigieg's 5:00 shadow and that weird stubble beard going on? that can be the right choice. [laughter] >> harris: goodness. all right. it's one of the most highly-anticipated congressional hearings in recent history. and it was set to happen just five days from now. now special counsel robert mueller's testimony may be on hold. what could this mean for the democrat-lead investigations into russian interference? a big debate ahead.

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>> jessica: fox news alert, multiple sources on capitol hill telling fox news that former special counsel robert mueller's highly-anticipated testimony next week could be delayed. a midwest being called a "breakdown in negotiations." the democrat-let house intelligence committee maintaining that mule's testimony will go forward on wednesday as planned. some lawmakers have complained that the format will not give them enough time for questions. this is a new story today, yesterday it was happening next monday, maybe not. what you make of this, chris? do think it's a that it happens on the 17th? >> chris: no comments on the part that happens on the 17th. >> jessica: tell me how you really feel! [laughter] >> chris: the board that happens. really does they have to acknowledge that he's not going to submit himself to a kangaroo court situation where each of these numbers -- i hate, and you

know this, i hate the way -- >> harris: he's going to say it! kabuki theater! here it comes! >> chris: i had the kabuki theater and the fact that these hearings -- congress doesn't do oversight. what congress does is do clips to try and get on their hometown tv stations. so i've got 5 minutes of time, and i'm going to start out in them going to say, "are you a deep state swamp creature? yes or no?" and at the end he will go, "was there question in there? doesn't matter, moving on." basically would have been, shorthand, is democrats overreaching their demands and what they wanted from mueller. he said, "go pound sand, we will come back later." "i'm not going to do your dance and pony show." >> harris: or he says what he said the day he announced his resignation and moving on. "i'm not going to talk out of the scope of the 400-plus page mueller report they already have.

i'm not going to talk outside the scope. so go read what you can, it's north of 90% redacted -- unredacted, rather. even for regular folks, not the ones sitting at the doj." >> chris: congress can solve this problem. designate questionnaires. you remember how trey gowdy was designated to question hillary clinton? pick a person who you want to have. >> harris: who would you pick? >> chris: who would i pick? you, you're pretty good. you could go down and do it. [laughter] >> harris: jessica is still mad at me about the toilet joke. [laughter] >> jessica: i love toilet humor! >> harris: here's part of the question that i would have come too. katie, may be ever thought about this. can you go in a different direction and all of this? can you focus on some of the things that haven't been asked about that are necessarily in that report in detail? >> katie: you can ask the question, but robert mueller is saying he's going to just stick to what everybody already knows, which is in their reports. >> harris: like how the dossier got put together?

>> katie: he won't answer any of those questions unless it's written up in the report. that specific issue, the inspector general will testify about that. they will get it on that ankle. but a lot of this pushback is coming from robert mueller, who has been saying, "i don't want to politicize the situation further." >> harris: so i do this? >> katie: he might not. >> jessica: he got subpoenaed, a separately coming. i want to get you in here, anna. we heard this week they actually interviewed christopher steele, in pursuit of that ig report. do you think the data matters on this? you would like to see it not televised, is that what i'm gathering? >> anna: it's not that i don't want to televise, the american people want to know more than what's already been out there. i just kind of feel like, what's the point? if it's all the information that we already have? >> jessica: i think the point is that nobody read it. so bob miller can tell us what is actually in it. >> harris: you want him to read it out loud? >> jessica: honestly, it's a great bedtime story. [laughter] >> harris: oh, my goodness! >> jessica: congresswoman

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i deal with nancy pelosi a lot, and we go back and forth, and it's fine. but i think that a group of people is being very disrespectful to her. >> jessica: >> katie: welcome wt coming? president trump defending speaker pelosi amid her feud with congresswoman alexandria garcia cortez, this after the democratic upstart suggested the speaker's criticisms of her were rooted in race. a number of democratic lawmakers now resting dominic rushing to policy side. letting loose on pelosi's critics, saying, "how data dominic there they try to play the race card? it's damaging to this party and the internal workings of the democratic party." this, from presidential candidate kamala harris. >> that's not my experience with nancy pelosi. i've known her and worked with her for years. i've known her to be very respectful of women of color,

and very supportive of them. >> katie: meanwhile, ocasio-cortez opening the ante, saying that it could put her in members of her so-called "squad" danger. >> it's singling out for individuals. knowing the media we are operating in, knowing the amount of death threats we get, the amount of concentration of attention, it's worth asking why. >> harris: so when her -- >> chris: [laughs] >> harris: i'm sorry, katie. when her staff member tweeted out that tweet that has now since been deleted, and pelosi talked about it, calling the dog and moderate members and new members of the democratic party, calling them segregationists, she doesn't think that puts them in the cross hairs somehow? >> chris: i'm sorry, i have to say it takes a lot of chutzpah for alexandria ocasio-cortez to complain about the concentration of media attention. as she is doing an interview in the hallway, to get more attention.

give me a break! >> katie: that's her entire thing, getting attention. >> harris: i look at jessica over here, you are laughing and nodding. >> jessica: it really upsets me. i wrote a piece about it for fox news come up the home page right now. drive that traffic! [laughter] it's very frustrating, nobody in their right mind would have used those kinds of terms linking them, first of all, to our moderate democrats or to nancy pelosi. she has elevated people of color into some of the most high-ranking positions. committee assignments, subcommittee -- with clyburn. alexandria ocasio-cortez, ayanna pressley, rashida tlaib, ilhan omar, they got the assignment they wanted. making that comment, it's distracting from the actual danger prayed when there was the poster of ilhan omar around the 9/11 bombings that went up in virginia. those are instances where you are concerned about people's health and safety. >> harris: or a congressional

baseball game. come on. >> katie: is this a dog eat dog, chickens coming home to roost on the identity politics, play? she accused the president of having racist maga has now she's being accused with this race card. now democrats are outraged about that card being pulled. >> anna: i think the n-fighting is only going to help the republicans. that's the biggest takeaway from all this. when i see aoc on there and everybody -- i would like to see the sound bites back-to-back and see how much time she is actually getting. is she just trying to make headlines and make a name for herself? going up? is this what some of the other democrats are doing as well, looking for 2020 and trying to -- there's what, two dozen of them? >> jessica: harris mentioned this earlier in the block, what's going on these micro detention centers. i don't doubt her compassion and the attention she's calling to victims for one second.

you also have four people have never gotten burned in in the minority. >> harris: she came up with a 14-page green new deal, but we are not seeing the 14-page -- sheet missed an opportunity, jessica. she is driving so much concert attention. >> jessica: i'm just saying i don't want to make it out that she's only out there for attention. >> chris: if you look at who they are primariing, the democratic socialists or whatever, we are looking at black, hispanic -- black and hispanic members of congress who they are targeting. just take a rest, folks. it's friday. lighten up. >> katie: it's friday! more "outnumbered" in a moment. t allstate. with accident forgiveness they guarantee your rates won't go up just because of an accident. smart kid. indeed. are you in good hands? ♪ how do you like it, ♪ how do you like it ♪ ♪ more, more, more

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>> katie: thinks to chris stirewalt for coming up from d.c. today. any grilling tips for the weekend? >> chris: do a brisket, do a wet marinade and a dry marinade. do overnight wet, lime juice, a lot of spice, and the do a dry rub the next day. you will be really happy.

>> anna: and cook it slow and low! >> katie: all right, we are back monday at noon eastern! now up to harris. >> harris: and we begin with a new reaction to this stunning announcement at the white house today, labor secretary alex acosta stepping down effective one week from today amid fallout from his role in a decade-old plea deal for accused child sex trafficker jeffrey epstein. "outnumbered overtime," i'm harris faulkner. a dramatic moment outside the white house, labor secretary alex acosta stood side-by-side with the president. the president insisting this was secretary acosta's decision and not his. acosta talked with reporters as well, saying he does not want to distract from the great work of the administration. >> it would be selfish for me to stay in this position and continue talking about a case that is 12 years old rather than about the amazing economy we have right