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life. >> everybody agrees, everybody democrats that this was catastrophe. >> second term for trump or prison term for trump. >> mysterious prosecutor with unchecked power, revealed man blinking in the sunlight. >> are some of the pundits unfair as describing mueller as confused? sean spicer former white house secretary joins us. unhappy with white house correspondents after the hearings. >> let me just tell you, the fact that you even asked that question, you're fake news. >> we will look at the questions that set him off, plus racially charge uproar as president
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charges cummings. i'm howard kurtz and this is media buzz. ♪ ♪ >> little debate that mueller struggled in capitol hill. >> so the report did not conclude that he did not commit obstruction of justice. >> correct. >> did you exonerate the president? >> no. >> what he's doing is not on instructing justice, he's pursuing justice and the fact that you ran 2 years means that you perpetuated injustice. >> i take your question. >> your investigation -- >> it's not a witch hunt. >> president quickly unloaded on
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the man who spent 2 years investigating him. >> i think robert mueller did a horrible job both today and with respect to the investigation but in all fairness to robert mueller, he had nothing to work with. >> mr. mueller, said the other day, confirmed, confirmed that the president has obstructed justice. >> joining us to analyze the coverage emily, sarah fisher, media reporter for axios and capri cafaro, washington examiner contributor. emily, media consensus that robert mueller was awful witness and some liberal commentators and liberal public figures seemed to agree with that. >> how often that we have a media consensus that it's bad for democrats. >> never. >> maybe one or two consenting opinions, completely objectively bad performance by robert
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mueller, did not project the authority over own report that people expected him to have, complete optical disaster for democrats, really no way around that. >> there are several media liberal that they say mueller said things that were damaging to the president. >> the way i see mueller's testimony, exactly how i saw the mueller report, steps to every story, yours, mine and the truth, republicans tried to advance own agenda and in the same manner the press on left and right were trying to advance those agendas as well. there were exceptions to that, rolling stone had piece saying it was disaster. so i think it's definitely not a good day for democrats and even we saw dan abrams with nbc saying the same thing as well.
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>> sarah, bob mueller who did not want to be there, did not want to make news, for democrats -- democrats couldn't get him to read from the report, if he reads it people have seen the movie and not read the report. the republicans we wanted to talk about origin and fisa and steel dossier, he wouldn't go there. the media pumped this way too high? >> way too high. allies going to washington post saying didn't expect him to say anything further. >> perhaps wishful thinking, i thought it was going to be a dud, folks, i underestimated the dudness of it question from democrat ted lou the reason you
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did not indict stating that you could not indict a sitting president, mueller said that is correct. i think he was answering hypothetical, came back on second hearing and said that was not the correct way to say it, we did not reach a determination on whether the president committed a crime. the reason i read that to you because rachel maddow and others were like, aha, chris on msnbc, he did correct but not hard to see first answer as revealing, except in second part. >> the case studying grasping at straws, you want desperately finding from testimony, all you had to work with. that's important point not only did mueller stumble a little bit but would not give democrats what they wanted, read the script, refusal about how much he wanted to be there. >> let me play a little more from the hearings for you capri,
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something done by msnbc rachel maddow. >> knowingly accepting foreign assistance during presidential campaign is unethical thing to do. >> and a crime. >> and a crime. >> yes. and given circumstances. >> aha, it's a crime in certain circumstances but the report itself doesn't say that trump or campaign or advisers did illegally cooperate with russian efforts to hack the election. >> well, what you see here a classic case again of robert mueller, got-you moment, i would argue that mueller didn't give republicans -- i can't talk about that. exactly. back to my earlier point, i think that both the left and the media on the left and right would take the certain sound bites whether it was saying, you
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know, you didn't charge president trump with a crime because he's the president or, you know, x, y and z in certain circumstances and tried to grasp at those straws. >> for example, aha, he said the report didn't exonerate him. it's in the report, that was 4 months ago that wasn't exactly breaking news. the washington post did fact-check of hearings, what certain members said and the only fact-check statements from republicans even though they disagreed with characterizations of democrats, does that give appearance of one-sidedness? >> i think it does. democrats coming before the hearing sort of making their own conclusions and no one was coming out and saying, hey, chairman nadler why are you drawing the conclusion, we haven't heard from bob mueller yet. i think that was a good example of the media kind of taking wasn't side here saying that republicans are rushing in to discredit bob mueller.
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>> what a concept. there was a new york times front page story the other day that i thought was a blockbuster and i wrote about it and talked about it, special counsel bob mueller, hands off, he didn't work as much hours as he used, delegated substantial responsibility, didn't lead many meetings, gave to top aides and less and less involved with negotiation with trump lawyers whether trump was going to testify which ultimately i did not and when i said that, i said, now they are telling us this, could that story have been reported sooner. >> the new york times story had specific details about meetings. >> calendars. >> calendars, interesting information by sources, followed by washington post story that emphasized the rumors had been circulating for months and months, it's fair to question we do not know what the reporters know and we know fair to question the motive of people whose job it was to put into the public.
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>> i don't know that the reporters knew all of this, 24 hours after the hearing -- >> right away. >> could there have been temptation not just the times not to say, mueller is a little bit out of it or hands off or it might jeopardize your office or potential for leaks with the organization. >> it's important to question the motive in terms of access and in terms of bias, i do think it's completely surprising, not surprising and completely upsetting, because that would have changed the narrative and the end of the investigation. >> i would just say i'm shocked given how many leaks we have seen in washington, whether it's on capitol hill or inside the white house or the administration, the fact that mueller's involvement was, you know, arm's length did not leak. is shocking. >> the media inquiries last year, reporters were looking
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into what was described as whispers about mueller -- not that he wasn't in charge,e made final decisions obviously but not running on hands on day-to-day way and mueller's team had to assure that he was okay, but a lot of counter spin in the washington post piece with aides sometimes anonymous i will saying he's fine, members are throwing this at you in rapid fire. maybe they didn't have enough to go with. maybe open secret. >> they did, like you said, 24 hours after the testimony they did find enough to go with. >> people are coming right now and purposing the narrative in defense of democrats who dragged him on capitol hill and they look silly because the hearing was a bust and have something to say our key witness was really not able to come to the stand. that's the defense on their end.
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>> right, democrats regretting the fact that they forced mueller to testify clearly -- but, yes, you have pundits talking about robert mueller using words and here is a clip from the number. >> we saw what we saw. i thought the lawyer was a visiting angel, not a lawyer. he is an early-stage dementia. >> should there be speculation about his mental condition from people who don't really know? >> member of congress knows exact paragraph they will be citing then let robert mueller ask what page was that on because he has 448 pages, he did a pretty good job. if he slowed down a little bit, it's a tough hearing, you have so many members of congress coming at you rapid fire, don't blame the guy for not knowing the exact paragraph or asking to repeat questions.
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>> man is 74 year's old, but still when you start getting into suggesting medical conditions and this has come up, people on both sides have done it, your reaction, capri? >> we saw with hillary clinton and the commentaries surrounding hillary clinton's testimony on capitol hill that somehow she had a mini stroke. >> fall down. >> exactly, speculation, to me that's a bridge too far for anyone in the press. >> all right, let me get a break here, when we come back a pretty heated presser, strong reception to some of the reporter's question, are some fixated on fox?
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>> not pleased with some questions from the white house press corpse soon after the mueller hearing ended. trump with nbc correspondent. >> are you concerned you could be indicted? >> when you saw robert mueller's statement, the earlier statement and then he did a recap, he did a correction, you know what the correction was and you still ask the question, you know why, because you're fake news and you're one of the most, and let me just tell you, the fact that you even ask that question, you're fake news, what about -- what about mueller's end? [inaudible] >> he didn't say that at all. you are untruthful.
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>> you can understand why the president after why the hearing was why he would be in that kind of mood. i don't know the questions were out of bounds. there's a lot of repetition, i think the questions that were asked about immigration crisis made all the mueller questions look particularly ridiculous because it was hammering the questions about mueller testimony. the particular questions, i don't think they are necessarily out of bounds but i can understand they were designed to poke at the president and to get the kind of response that they did. >> well, that would not be a brand-new invention in journalism. reporters should question the president aggressively after such major news event, phrasing of some of those questions -- >> they were coming to get a sound bite. you will get fiery back.
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>> are you worried -- yeah, are you worried about being indicted? mueller says you were being untruthful? a couple of things that could be read that way by written answers? >> they asked are you worried? asking him to give an opinion. what kind of answer are you expecting to be news worthy, you're not looking for piece of news, not something that's breaking, asking for him to yell at you. >> when he said that even the two most nauseating networks said it was a bad day for democrats, ms and cnn, he was quick to pounce on what was called fake news, he was on the offense even though it was good day for him. >> that's trump's nature. they are looking for ratings for sure but i think that honestly the issue of fake news continues to concern me, there's a difference between media bias and fake news and i think that,
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you know, president trump takes every opportunity to turn bias into what he calls fake news, prime opportunity for him to feel as he's been treated unfairly, when he's treated unfairly all of a sudden is fake. >> any question from the press corp. is out of bounds but the productive questions that were going to elicit useful questions, i don't think that's the case. >> the president tweeted video mash-up of tv pundits including from cnn and msnbc, awful performance, it's over, so if these are fake news outlets, used the phrase that he has, how does he explain them -- the judgment where they basically for once are saying, agree with him and saying it was a bad day for the dems. >> we have seen them do this before, the failing new york times, decent story that comes out, he flips it. >> he will always do something to his advantage, advantage to
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go after them in live press conference but advantage to highlight when they are backing his point on twitter. >> yeah. >> that's just how bad the testimony was. >> they had to -- keep in mind, because no more daily white house press briefings, the president's interactions often at the helicopter or sometimes in oval office was reported is how is not only how he communicates his message, drives the news cycle but also he will not be shy about beating up on reporters which his supporters love because they do not trust the media. >> the don't amic between this president and the press corps in particular, are you worried about indictment, for president donald trump, you know what you're doing with that question. >> waving the red flag. >> he like it is question because he can say fake news. >> no fake news, thank you so much, we will see you later. ahead 5 billion-dollar government fine is way too light
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congresswoman donna edwards. >> it's notable, i think, that tomorrow fox news, for example, is not airing the mueller testimony. >> so she was quickly corrected, sort of and msnbc nicole wallace offered update as so much we regret the error. >> fox news called us, they asked us to let you know that they are caring the hearing, don't watch them, though, watch us, it'll be more fun. >> live look as you are getting this morning in hearing room in capitol hill. >> see, not only did fox cover gavel to gavel but ratings for higher than any other cable or broadcast network bret baier and martha macallum. brian williams and nicole wallace, former bush white house aide that make sure she depieses
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press secretary, sean, new fox news poll has joe biden leading president trump 49 to 39%, the polls almost identical by abc. the president saying no way he would lose from biden. fox news is at it again. now new fox polls which have always been terrible to me, they had me losing big to crooked hillary have me down to sleepy joe. fox runs a very professional polling operation, why is the president suggesting that somehow these numbers were deliberate or twisted? >> well, i think if you look at his experience last cycle which he alludes to in the tweet that poll after poll had he losing, he ended up winning with electoral votes, a president frustrated with public polling. i know that the data operation at republican national committee that's working hand in hand with
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trump campaign is giving us robust ability to understand exactly where all of the voters are that the president needs to talk to that are on his side and gettable ones and if you think about it, national poll when you're really talking about an election that's going to come down to handful of swing states. >> i understand, probably come down to a few battleground states, i'm just interested in attacks on fox, the president has right to criticize network that he wants but noteworthy, look, president trump these days seems agitated after mueller hearings, the two most nauseating networks, two other cable networks said it was bad day for democrats, why does he not declare victory and move on? >> well, because in one way they go on and talk about how mueller did had horrible performance and democrats didn't get what they want and won't let it die and find way to weave back to president trump. no matter how bad of a day or how good of a day he has, the networks always find negative
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and it's frustrating to see it over and over and no matter how well he actually does or the economy does or how poorly the democrats do on a particular topic, somehow it always comes back to figuring out where the negative is. >> right, one of the reason that is robert mueller's testimony was in effective in addition to stumbles and bumbls, he didn't want to be there, that was very clear. so when the president attacks him for horrible testimony and even, you know, the consensus in the media as well, was mueller fair to him in the report or forum of hearings to take some cheap shots? >> in terms of the president? >> in terms of what mueller said during those 6 hours. >> yeah. >> he said he tried to stick to the language of his report as he had said he would do. >> right, it ges back to the nut of the report and this idea and
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you saw on the republican side over and over again where there's presumption of innocence, i didn't exonerate him. that's not the way the justice system works, if you're not guilty you're not guilty and i think there's a lot of frustration that somehow for this one case we are talking about, well, i didn't exonerate him. in our system of justice you are either guilty or not guilty. >> that's a fair point. i think mueller's point is i'm not saying he didn't commit any crimes and i'm not saying he did. i get it. >> but also, look, there's two important things, number 1, he did do that on the first one and if the underlying issue is that there was no collusion, was never collusion which was proven over and over again, you cannot cover up that what didn't occur. >> i hear you. let me move onto what is dominating the weekend news, in the beginning to have week the president renewed his attacks and of course he got attacks from media on four freshmen of
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congress, all of them women of color and new tweets of aoc and omar american-hating semite, the squad, is racist group of trouble makers who are young, inexperience and not very smart and then he said i don't believe the four congresswomen are capable of loving the country. why does he want the media to keep covering this, why is he not moving past the initial attacks? >> well, look, go back to time as candidate, he was able to define each of his opponents and draw contrast, so, you know -- >> he's not running against them, they are all freshmen. >> look, we are all talking about them and what we are talking about is extreme socialistic policies, he's made them the leaders of the democratic party defacto, so while you have 20 people running around to be president of the united states on the democratic side, the fact of the matter is that we are spending all of our time talking about the policies and actions of four freshmen members of congress, we are now
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having those democratic candidates running for president answering and trying to subbing up to these four freshmen and see how far to the left they can go. he has clear i will say what you will about everything else but there's no question that we have made this election a binary choice about freedom and capital hism versus socialism and progressivism. >> right, but now we have yesterday and again today president going after fifth member of congress who happens to be black, elijah cummings, sort of in retaliation for his very tough criticism on the border and tweeting that -- i will get into this, baltimore district is dirty, disgusting, investigation of federal aid to district and the president knew that if he did this the media would be attacking against him, you're going after another minority lawmaker and so why does he -- this is a little different that you're saying making these left-wing congresswoman the face of the party?
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>> i think you answered at the beginning of the question that when attacked he hits back, he has made that clear since he was candidate, guiding principle, gone after people when they attack him, he comes back. >> can you -- can you deny that it's a coincidence that the 5 democrats he's gone after all happen to be people of color because that's the thrust of the media indictment against the president. >> i understand that, as i pointed out you can talk about bill de blasio, the governor of california all white men as well, he has gone after -- equal opportunity offender when it comes to going after people. i know the voice but at the end of the day elijah cummings is the chair of the committee that was going after the president in this particular case, he couldn't go after anybody else.
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you name it, he's gone after chuck schumer. >> all right. >> we are trying to put a banner on it, at tend of the day he's gone after everyone. i have seen the list that other shows have done. >> i have to go, sean. >> all righty. >> thank you so much for being here. >> you bet. >> appreciate it. coming up more on the president going after elijah cummings and district, "fox & friends", that's next. a family van? was that her choice? naaah man, that was my choice. this thing's got reclining seats, dvd player, it's got a built-in vacuum cleaner. you ever seen my kid eat crackers? yeah... so you see how that works? mm-hmm. sometimes you gotta go straight for the source. car loans fast from navy federal credit union... our members are the mission.
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>> president trump as we just noticed launched a twitter attack on fifth house member of color after "fox & friends" segment featuring a local republican who took video of some garage abandoned road houses in cummings baltimore area district. >> congress cummings represents the most dangerous district in america. >> trump called the oversight chairman a brutal bully and called maryland district disgusting rodent infested mess. joining us from los angeles, radio talk show host and fox news contributor, leslie, elijah cummings responded that he fights for constituents every day. i just asked sean spicer, targeting minority lawmaker, why do you think -- do you think he
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wants fight despite racially charged criticism? >> i don't think he thinks before he talks, i really don't, he lets it rip and i think later either the ratings go up for him, approval ratings or apologies are made and people behind the scenes in his administration who are cringing, the reality here is that whenever he uses the term infestation, when you look at all the times he's used the word infestation, it does refer either to a country, district, a state or individual that is under the umbrella of a minority whether it's a brown person, a black person, african american, mexican american, hispanic, latino, that is the fact and therefore when people start to say, you know, this is racist, this is one of the reasons why. >> now, baltimore has a lot of problems like a lot of inner cities, though, that's not the entire district, it always includes suburban county for
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cummings, do you think the video footage that aired on fox enough to justify the tone of the president's attack? >> absolutely not because when you look at the facts, i mean, the 53% of congressman district's are african american, second most educated district in the united states, highest-income earners among african americans, i don't consider john hopkins university, john hopkins hospital, the university of maryland or headquarters for the ncaaap, rat, rodent, infested organization, no, it's unfair, if you show picture of la, you know la really well, if you show a picture of skid row, that's not beverly hills. >> let me show you how, let me show you victor black weapon well, cnn news anchor handled the story. >> the president says about congressman cummings district --
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that no human would want to live there, you know who did, mr. president, i did. >> now, i understand why blackwell is emotional, he's news anchor and accusing the president of targeting black and brown people, is that the role of news anchor? >> you're not to become the news and report the news sometimes there's a mountian to -- mountain to die on. look, i'm a white woman, i don't know what it's like to walk in the skin of an individual such as víctor who is an african-american male all too often to have words like this at them and their community, i don't know that pain and i think the pain overcame the title and
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i don't think it takes away from his ability to be a journalist and have journalistic integrity going forward. >> okay. >> i just think -- i thought it was touching, i thought it was real. >> not disputing that, i think if fox news anchor had emotional attack on nancy pelosi it would be a lot of media criticism. by the way now fox news poll says that trump's tweets about the four congresswoman crossed the line 63%, 27% says acceptable political attack. let me tell you briefly to mueller hearings, now in the wake of the hearings, nadler, judiciary chairman says he's conducting impeachment inquiry in effect by asking for mueller's grand jury material and this is a way on getting to nancy pelosi who does in the want impeachment inquiry, i see zero media criticism, maybe because much of the media agree with the maneuver? >> i don't know if they agree with them, i don't know if they are tired of it and they just want it to play out or kind of expected, isn't it?
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it's a bit predictable but at the end of the day regardless of what comes forth speaker pelosi has been very, very clear, she said she has to have iron clad evidence to go forward with impeachment and she needs bipartisan support and even congressman schiff who said, it's dead on arrival on the senate, democrats know all too well what happened in clinton administration, ratings went up, he was president and newt gringrich speaker whoa signed -- who resigned. >> i think you're being generous and i think the media would love to see impeachment investigation and the feelings about donald trump is well known. great to have you back, good to see you, take the rest of the day off. >> thank you, good to be here. >> after the break mark zuckerberg playing defense again as the government gets faced with 5 billion-dollar fine and launches antitrust with big tech r the silicon valley giants in trouble?
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>> federal commission imposing 5 billion-dollar fine for privacy, mark zuckerberg with upbeat take on meeting. >> privacy is more central than ever fur vision to future and change the way we operate across the whole company, i believe that companies should be held accountable on privacy. this is what accountability looks like? >> and sarah fisher is back was, so 5 billion-dollar fine for a pane that's worth $570 billion, also facebook has to create independent committee to monitor this stuff, zuckerberg has to certify he's in compliance every
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quarter, many critics are saying, wow, this is just not enough? >> yes, those critics include democrats with ftc and what they are saying you want the penalties to be punitive, to feel threatened by them that something like cambridge ana analytica will never happen again. critics are saying this is not enough to deter them from changing business model. >> i'm seeing criticism from tech writers and columnist that agree with what you just said, that's the argument, facebook has had so many privacy breaches including the cambridge analytica and zuckerberg promised to do better, like a broken record, is it opening the door for more regulation? >> the doj says they will call anticompetitive practices of all tech companies, so what mark
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zuckerberg has done, facebook has done is they created this landslide of regulatory strengths for data company, whether it's amazon, google, everybody should be worried about what facebook's track has created. >> the justice department with new investigation, facebook, amazon, google, anticompetitive practices and there may be anticompetitive practices. the ipo of the companies broke major laws and should be broken up when millions and millions of people willingly use their services free by the way, seems far-fetch to me. >> it's difficult to prove when consumers are happy, anticompetitive is when consumers are hard, it's hard to prove and that's why we left the tech giants grow so big. how do you see google monopoly when ad rates are the lowest of anyone out there, the big question here is, do you have so much data with these companies,
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like insider trading, you have access to information about what other companies you should acquire or other trends are really good for business but other people don't and that's what they will be looking into here, it's not just a privacy practice, mergers and acquisitions. >> they've gotten too big and too powerful. 5 billion-dollar fine m people unhappy about facebook, if it had been 10 billion, 20 billion, counterargument that this is too punitive? >> if you take a look at what they're doing in europe, more around the realm they would be charges, they charge 4% of global turnover for every day that you don't comply with this fine, so if people think that it can get too punitive, look over to friends across the atlantic and other people don't think so, regulators. >> still to come, update on lawsuit and former msnbc host
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>> the judge has thrown 250 million-dollar lawsuit by catholic high school student against the washington post saying that while the paper reported what may have been false opinions are protected speech under the first amendment, clearly maligned by irresponsible rush to judgment, winning liable is hard to charge show canceled in 2015 is liberal commentator and former democratic candidate and on her show she said msnbc has damaged the left. >> more deeply of russia conspiracy than others, rachel
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maddow you have explaining to do. show after show on building anticipation for a big reveal in some of the most favorite speculation prime time show invited john then to lay out his wild theory that trump has been russian asset since 1987,msnbc, seriously, this is not journalism, this is info wars. >> many overcovered it and overhyped but deserves credit for taking on a place where she still has many friends. that's it for this edition of media buzz, i'm howard kurtz, check out podcast, media buzz reader, the day's hottest stories, politics, sports, entertainment, culture you can subscribe at apple itunes, google play or fox newspodcast.com.
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we hope that you like our facebook page and original videos, twitter on howard kurtz, we will see you live with mueller hearing coverage we just did, back next sunday 11:00 eastern with the latest buzz. ♪ ♪ eric: robert mueller's marathon testimony sparked divided reaction in capitol hill, democrats touting further evidence that president trump broke the law but the republicans are saying it raised more questions about the origins of the russia investigation and they want that probed. >> one of the maintaining aways is that we still don't have any russians, right, we don't know who the russians were that supposedly, you know, colluded with the trump campaign, why because there were none and that's what we said 2 and a half years ago. >> but it was very clear from what the mueller report lays out, it lays out 5 instances of obstruction of justice and lays out the 3 elements of