requires pharmaceutical companies to charge. arthel? arthel: all right, peter, interesting. and we are -- eric: diabetes is so -- arthel: so, people need help. back at 4 p.m. eric: see you then. ♪ ♪ >> president trump doubling down today, tweeting a series of new attacks against democratic congressman elijiah cummings and the conditions in his maryland district. good afternoon to you, welcome to america's news headquarters from washington, i'm jill january neely. he let -- gillian neely. he let me come back. leland: we're so glad to have you. bernie sanders had a few things to say about baltimore, we'll get to that in a minute. president trump lashing out against nancy pelosi and others pushing back against the claim that his criticism of cummings

and baltimore are racist. that's a word we continue to hear. david spunt is at the white house. >> reporter: despite the blowback from president trump's tweets, he continues to double, even triple down on those tweets against elijiah cummings from west baltimore, that's his district. cummings is a fierce opponentover president trump, especially when it comes to the president's border policies. of the president claims cummings' district is worse than the border. early yesterday morning a video prompted a series of tweets from the president. i want to read one of them. quote: as proven last week during a congressional tour, the border is clean, efficient and well run, just very crowded. cummings' district is a disgusting, rat and rodent-infested mess. maybe he could help clean up this dangerous and filthy place. a lot of blowback including house speaker nancy pelosi who wrote: we all reject racist attacks against him, talking

about elijiah cummings. then the president doubled down today: the democrats always play the race card when, n. -- in fact, they have done so little for for the nation's african-american history. only getting better, elijiah cummings has failed badly. leland, i want to play a clip, i should say, from chris wallace, "fox news sunday." he spoke to chief of staff or mick mulvaney, asked him about this tweet and other tweet in the past from the president targeting fife other members of -- five other members of congress. listen. >> infested, it sounds subhuman, and these are all six members of congress who are people of color. >> i think people are spending way too much time reading between the lines -- chris: i'm reading the lines. >> reporter: no sign the president will back off. jenna bush hager is telling president trump on twitter essentially to knock it off. president trump has a busy week

ahead of him, tomorrow he'll sign a bill into law compensating victims from the september 11th, 2001, attacks. then later this week, secretary steve mnuchin and a delegation will travel to shanghai, china, to continue those trade talks with chinese officials. leland, back to you. leland: baltimore sun had some choice words as well. david spunt, north lawn of the white house, we'll check back in as the president's day develops. gillian: as the house enters its august recess, democrats are divided on the issue of impeachment after robert mueller's testimony, with adam schiff saying today they are currently in a, quote, preliminary to judicial proceeding. garrett tenney with the latest on this. >> reporter: a lot of this debate is about semantics. what chairman schiff said there, that's essentially a fancy way of saying what we've known for a long time now, that democrats' end goal is to have enough evidence to impeach the president. the division is really over

whether or not they've already reached that point. after the mueller hearing this week house judiciary committee chairman jerry nadler says his committee already has impeachment resolutions before it, but it's continuing its investigation to decide whether or not to formally begin impeachment proceedings. despite roughly 100 house lawmakers now supporting impeachment, oversight chairman adam schiff stressed there are some dangers to rushing the process. >> i worry equally though, chuck, about the message of taking an impeachment case to trial, losing that case, having the president acquitted and having an adjudication that this conduct is not impeachable. >> reporter: to help build their case against the president, democrats are now trying to get as much evidence as they can from the special counsel's investigation including evidence presented to a grand jury in that probe which congress hasn't had access to due to federal laws. on friday nadler requested that a federal judge give his committee access to that evidence, calling it essential

to their investigation. but on "sunday morning futures," republican congressman john ratcliffe argued that democrats are simply trying to find another way to take down the president. >> now they're moving on, saying they want to pursue obstruction by the court system and trying to get grand jury information. look, it's becoming a joke. i think people see that, and nadler and schiff are starting to look more like laurel and hardy. it's time to move on. >> reporter: despite that, both chairman nadler and speaker nancy pelosi say they do not have a deadline of when they need to decide impeachment be, they are no -- in no hurry. so in the issue not going away, could be well into 2020 or beyond. gillian: absolutely. garrett tenney, thank you very much. we will continue to follow this for you. leland: impeachment is such a big issue during the congressional recesses now this late july and august. we bring in from god's country, michigan democratic congressman, co-chair of the house democratic

policy and communications committee, debbie dingell. you've only been out for a couple of days, but what are your constituents saying back home about impeachment? do they want you to focus on that or some of these issues in baltimore, detroit and the rest of america's cities? >> you know, it's interesting, i was at ann arbor's farmers' market, which is one of my favorite places to go -- leland: good place to be the, yeah. >> i was with some of my friends who are vendors, and three people came up to me in the course of five minutes. the first person yelled at me and said democrats were being too timid, and before she had walked away, the next woman said democrats have got to stop this impeachment, you've got to let president trump do his job. and the third person walked up to me within another minute and said you need to get off this impeachment kick and get back to tabletop vendors. and i said there, my friends, is wise america. it was really funny.

leland: a microcosm, to get outside of the district. from a political standpoint, the democrat party is divided. there's about 100 representatives who say they're for impeachment, and the rest are either against or undecided. here's a freshman who was one of the freshmen who flipped a red district blue for democrats to get the majority. take a listen to him. >> impeachment is one of the most powerful and most important and something that shouldn't be used in any minor way. whatever happens, it's going to be a failed impeachment process, in my opinion, if we have a failed impeachment process, it's going to be a very difficult election to win. leland: does he have a point? >> you know, what i think is we've got to follow the facts. i've said this a million times. i think we've got chairmen that are doing that. nobody's above the law. we do also need to be focused on prescription drugs -- leland: can you focus on both though? >> yes, you can. leland:

[inaudible] >> well, we have gotten a lot of bills through the house, and the senate's got to start to move them now. and beyond that, the media needs to cover the work that's getting done. leland: we don't cover things when people do their jobs. you want coverage for just doing your job? >> i think we are doing our job when we pass prescription drug bills, we got a surprise bill through. i didn't go through the whole list. you know, if you watched the mueller testimony, what bothers me is that most americans aren't bothered by one of his most critical messages, russia's trying to interfere in our elections, russia's trying to died us. leland: that's another thing that congress hasn't done a lot about. >> we passed an elections security act, and senator -- the senate on friday said that they weren't going to corps this legislation. leland: fair point. >> i don't -- we need to be worried. what worries me more, when you read the mueller report, russia's trying to divide us. and i want to say to president

trump right now your job as president is to unite us, not to take -- you know, when he goes after baltimore, he's not going after a congressman, he's going after a whole city that wants hope. they don't want their president attacking them. leland: well, in fairness, the point the president would bring up is that african-american unemployment's now the lowest it's ever been. but let's get to election you talk about coming up. debate in detroit, the democrats on tuesday and wednesday. you're going to meet with a lot of the candidates. we won't ask you to make an endorsement, but as we put up the fight cards, if you will, for tuesday and wednesday nights, of all the candidates which democrat has the best chance of beating president trump come next november? >> one of the reasons i haven't endorsed anybody is i want to see how they relate to people. i warned everybody three years ago that president trump could win. i saw him relating to workers. i want to see how they all do on that debate stage, i want to see them talk about issues that

matter to working men and women in the midwest, things that -- leland: do you worry in the first debate you had so many of the democrats talk about giving free health care to illegal immigrants and other sort of top-line, bigtime progressive policies. these aren't policies, you and i know it, that play well with working voters in the midwest. they're not interested in their tax dollars being spent on that. >> i don't even want to put it that way, but what they are worried about is wage increases and thought they'd have safe and secure retirement and suddenly they're not going to? when we've got factories that are empty because of nafta 1.0 that all those jobs went to mexico, they want to know somebody's going to fight for them to keep jobs here in america. that's what they want to hear them talk about. leland: well, and people would be wise to listen to you telling them what people want to hear them talk about. three years ago you were saying the same thing, and the results speak for themselves. congresswoman, always good to see you and, hopefully, you got a little bit of treats at the

farmers' market. see you soon. >> fly carefully. leland: thanks. gillian: and now for the republican side, we bring in california congressman and member of the house judiciary committee, tom mcclintock. thank you for joining us on this sunday. we appreciate it. >> my pleasure. gillian: i'm sure you were listening to congresswoman dingell's remarks there. i want to start off talking about how she said divided democrats are when it comes to talks of impeachment. >> well, i think that's true. i think the broad crosses-section of america has long ago lost patience with all of the politicized nonsense that we're hearing out of washington. and fortunately, there are a lot of democratic congress members that are totally target-fixated on this. meanwhile, i think we're going to see the next chapter begin to open very shortly with the inspector general's report looking at the origins of this monstrous lie that somehow the president was a tool of the russian government.

we now know that to be a lie, but mueller had no interest in determining how did that lie get into the body politic. the inspector general's report and then the u.s. attorney's report out of connecticut, i think, is going to start to offer much clearer picture of what was actually going on. gillian: before we actually heard from robert mueller himself and before we all spent hours of that day earlier this week watching that, many people wonder, okay, once we hear from him, are we going to finally be able to move on from this? and it seems like we are right back at square one again, so how do we move on from this? >> again, i think when we have a full picture of how all of this started, we'll know how to proceed from there. and i think that is going to probably dominate the discussion on this subject over the next few months. gillian: who do you think won out after, you know, we heard from robert mueller? who was the big winner there and the big loser, in your opinion?

>> i think it became very clear that mueller was simply a figurehead, largely detached from what was going on in the, in what gregg jarrett correctly calls the team of partisans that had been assembled as his team. the fact he had no interest in pursuing the origins of this scandal, i think, is a very telling fact. and the fact that he seemed to be unfamiliar with much in the report tells us that he was simply a figurehead to give legitimateses city to what was actually -- legitimacy to what was actually a partisan group of democratic activists. gillian: democrats are still, a lot of them, going to be talking about mueller's report and continuing on with that as we lead into 2020. do you think the president and republicans' best bet at this point leading into 2020 is going to be tout things like the economy, to tout things like border safety and border security, to keep talking and pressing those issues? >> oh, i think so. obviously, immigration is now polling as the principal concern

of the american people. it well should be. history is screaming a warning at us that countries that cannot or will not secure their borders simply are not around long. people are seeing the dangers that are arising from a wide open border and listening to the democratic presidential candidates talk about decriminalizing illegal immigration, essentially, opening our borders in which case we're no longer a country, we're simply a vast international territory between canada and mexico. gillian: so when it comes to the next few months anyway, let's just break it down to that, because a lot of time now between today and 2020 even though a lot of candidates on the road they're making their claims, they're making their arguments. you know, who do you think -- if anybody on the democratic side -- has a chance to go up against president trump when it comes to economy? does anybody? >> i don't think they do, and the further left they move on a lot of issues like immigration, the more they alienate the vast

middle of america. i think that's one reason why they're pushing open borders, because they realize they've alienated middle america, and their only hope for future political power is to bring in an imriched, high lu -- impoverished, highly dependent group that has no attachment to american founding principles and is highly susceptible to every promise the socialists make. gillian: congressman mcclintock, thank you so much. we appreciate you joining us. >> my pleasure. thanks for having me. gillian: america's special relationship with the u.k. is getting stronger, according to president trump, who says his friend, boris johnson, is going to, quote: make a great prime minister. the u.s. ambassador to u.k. joins us next from london. stay right there. ♪ ♪

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gillian: riot police and anti-government protesters clashing in central hong kong for a third straight day. demonstrators dismissing orders not to march in a restricted government area and throwing eggs. officers then began firing tear gas to disburse the crowd. this is the eighth consecutive weekend of protests. it first began over a now-suspended bill that would allowed residents to stand trial in mainland china. ♪ ♪ gillian: welcome back now. with boris johnson taking the helm as britain's new prime minister, the trump administration is hoping to reset relations between the u.s. and the u.k. especially when carving out a deal on trade and a strategy for dealing with iran. for more inslight now, let's turn to u.s -- insight now let's turn to u.s. ambassador woody johnson. i want to start out with what

the president calls a very substantial trade deal that he's discussing anyway with the u.k. in your opinion, what would that look like? >> well, i think it would be a trade deal which we've never had or have had maybe 40 years ago, a trade deal that would reflect, you know, lower tariffs, lower regulation, even lower taxes to increase our trade exponentially, he says three to four times bigger than we are now, and it's already large. i mean, we're about $260 billion per year right now. gillian: what do you think a timeline like that would look like if, you know, this were to come to fruition? we're not talking about this happening overnight. >> well, we're not, but because the president has talked about it so many times in the last two and a half years, it's got his full attention. so it's in the executive branch, which is where a trade deal should be if it wants to get done. gillian: it'll be this president to do it, you think.

>> and this president, yes. gillian: let's talk about what's going on in vienna right now because world leaders have been meeting to hold discussions about the iran nuclear deal. when with it comes to iran, what do you see happening going forward with the u.k. relationship now that boris johnson is there? >> well, i think boris johnson and the u.k. generally agree with what trump has said all along, that malign activities, missile development and the short nature of this in terms of the developing of a nuclear bomb are something they agree on. how to get there right now, they're a little bit diversion from where we are and where the president is. but they don't do a lot of trade with iran anyway, so, you know, it's something i think boris is online with the general principles. gillian: okay. how important -- >> prime minister. gillian: -- that he gets that right, do you think? >> i think it's, i think it's

pretty important. but the british have been very supportive. they're down at the astronauts of hormuz -- straits of hormuz, they just sent another ship down today that just arrived, and they had couple down there already. they're a very, very important part of the coalition to defend the ships going through the straits. gillian: let's talk about the relationship between the united states and the u.k.; specifically, president trump and boris johnson. you know, just in the commercial break we were talking about you mentioned the u.s. economy doing so well. how do you think that's going to play into the relationship between these two? >> well, i think it's very important the economy's doing great because it's, in some ways, aspirational for the u.k. the u.k. economy, quite frankly, is doing a lot better than what you read in the newspapers. and it has been doing well, and they've underplayed it, i guess, how well the economy's actually doing. but it will do a lot better when

it's, when it's on its own, i believe and the president believes, when it's got a deal with the u.s. and other countries around the world. and it also will have a deal with europe at some point. gillian: yeah. let me ask you, what similarities do you see between the two leaders? >> i think they're similar in many ways. i mean, they both have very clear ideas of where they want to take their countries. you can see that the in the new prime minister going out and floating ideas that are going to help with a britain that's outside the european union and how we jump-start the economy and putting in infrastructure and more police and setting all the things that you have to do to get the country rolling in a major way he's doing already, you know, day one, day two of his term. gillian: straight to work, right

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afternoon, a new fox poll showing how voters feel about a shift to lift on a key issue for the 2020 race, the economy. 34% of voters in general say that a shift from capitalism towards socialism would be a good thing. that's all voters. but go ahead and narrow the scope to democratic primary voters, 53% say they think that shift from capitalism towards socialism would be a good thing. so what's up with that? to discuss, visiting fellow at the heritage institute, heritage foundation, steve moore. good to see you, sir, we appreciate it. should republicans examine this poll for something more than just to make fun of the democrats and say if 53% of a fairly large voting bloc think we should move towards socialism, maybe not everybody's enjoying the economy that the president's supporters like to talk about? >> well, look, leland, you were talking about this earlier, but we have got the best economy in 30 years. i mean, this is a blockbuster --

leland: why doesn't everybody feel that way? [inaudible conversations] everybody doesn't feel that way. >> you know what i think it is? it's people who have almost taken this kind of prosperity for granted, like it just sort of happened. it didn't happen by accident. donald trump has put in place tax cuts, pro-free market policies. you know, what is sort of demoralizing, to me as ap economist, is at the very moment the u.s. economy's the best in the world, you know, we're in the tenth year of an expansion, you know, lowest unemployment rate 50 years, i mean, you just go down the line, at this very moment you've got these democratic voters saying we need more socialism. it's kind of crazy, but -- leland: is there a little bit of hubris to say, oh, it's just crazy, it's just totally crazy? is there a kind of hubris that hillary clinton had looking in 2016 and not realizing that the voters donald trump was talking to were going to flip?

is there a danger here for republicans to just keep saying the economy's great if people clearly feel like they're hurting and are left behind? >> no, actually, i don't think that's what the polls are showing. if you look at how people rate the economy today -- leland: well, if things are so great, why are people moving to socialism? >> because a lot of democrats like free things. what are the democrats offering? free health care, free childcare, free daycare, we're going to forgive your student loans. look, if you give people candy, they're going to like it. i think if this is an election where democrats are offering a socialist agenda and republicans are offering a free market agenda, i think republicans will win a landslide election, i really do -- [inaudible conversations] america doesn't have socialism in our dna. we're not sweden, we're not norway. leland: the president's team clearly feels the same way. they've already said whoever the democratic nominee is they're going to brand as a socialist. you've talked about giving people candy. you've been a huge proponent

about a quarter point rate cut that looks like it's going to come on wednesday. >> yep. leland: that's a little bit like giving a toddler candy when he's already pretty excited and amped up. you yourself just said the economy is the best it's ever been. why do we possibly need a rate cut? >> it could be better. we got 2.1% growth. donald trump was right that think the fed has been really too tight on money. we can get -- look, 2.1 is okay. we want 3-4% growth, and we have -- by the way, you go back last summer, leland, the fed made a major mistake back in september and december in raising interest rates. that took wind out of the sails -- leland: the market's up 50%. >> it is! leland: isn't there a danger though in having the president be the one who's using the fed effectively for political purposes to -- >> he's not doing that. he's basically saying the fed made mistakes, and i think almost everyone agrees, you know, december when they raised

interest rates, you remember, leland, the stock market fell by 2,000 points. it was a catastrophically bad mistake the fed made, and what i'm saying, donald trump is saying and larry kudlow is say is, wait a minute, why don't you reverse that mistake. tell me where there's inflation in the economy. we've got low interest rates, there's no danger, in my opinion, of deflation -- leland: if you want to talk prices, airline tickets and other things have seen big inflation -- >> well, some industries, that's true. leland: speaking of larry kudlow, the other big issue that's coming up is the chinese trade deal. here's kudlow yesterday talking about what we should expect on friday, cnbc. take a listen. >> yeah. >> i wouldn't expect any grand deal. i think talking to our negotiators, they're going to kind of reset the stage and, hopefully, go back to where the talks left off last may.

leland: hopefully go back to where the talks left off last may is not exactly an optimistic we're going to really twist the chinese arms, and they're going to capitulate. >> well, what's going on is that the chinese, the beijing government is just impossible to deal with. they keep going back on deals. one day -- leland: but that was president trump's wholesales pitch. he said i can make these people deal with me. i'm the great negotiator. >> well, right. and i'm glad he's doing in the. look, i'm a free trade guy. you've known me for a long time, but i do believe he's doing the right thing in getting tough with china. i've been saying i do think they are going to get a deal by the end of the week. these tariffs are really hurting the chinese economy. their economy's slowed down, is so i'm optimistic. by the way, the only dark cloud i see on the economy other than the fed being too tight and that's going to be fixed, is whether we can get this trade deal done with china. it's in the interests of both countries, it will help both

countries' economy to get this thing done. by the way, it'll help china, it'll help the united states, we'll get to 3% growth, and if we get 3-4% growth again next year, they could run mother teresa donald trump -- [laughter] leland: you didn't say the biggest threat is the runaway spending in congress -- >> leland, you are right. [laughter] i should have let you -- you're right. the republicans are spending like drunken sailors, i hate it! when did they turn into big spenders like democrats? george wallace used to say there's not a dime's worth -- leland: one could say it's when donald trump became president. we'll see you soon, enjoy the west coast. >> we've got to get tougher on spending, no doubt. [laughter] you and i agree on that one. have a great weekend. leland: you too. gillian: let's talk about this story now because new york police commissioner james o'neill vowing to find the gunman behind the shooting at a neighborhood block party in brooklyn that left one man dead and 11 others injured saturday.

jacqui heinrich has more with the ongoing investigation. >> reporter: it happened at a community event to celebrate senior citizens at a playground. one person lost their life and at least one more in critical condition. twelve people were shot at the annual old-timers day. the event's been held since 1963, it involves musical performances and a street festival. the victims, seven men and five women ranging from 21 to 55 years old. the person who died was a 38-year-old man shot in the head. there were about 2,000 people in the park, more than 100 officers there on duty when it happened. shots rang out sending mobs of people running, and police struggled to gain control of the chaos, streets full of debris as people ranch police rushed victims to hospitals in their cruisers as community leaders sat with shock and outrage. >> this is a mass shooting, and it happened at a revered event that happens an -- annually, a

revered event that our seniors come out to to enjoy themselves. and, damn it, somebody shot it up! >> reporter: right now police don't have any suspects in custody, but they say there were at least two guns and two shooters. they also said historically about half of the violence in brooklyn north is gang-related. the neighborhood last week after cell phone video surfaced showing people dumping buckets of water on police officers there in brownsville and also in harlem. in that harlem incident, an officer was struck in the head with a bucket as he made an arrest, and in brownsville the officers were seen walking away even as the man continued to douse police with water. police did make arrests in those incidents, and they pledged to find the shooters from the park. >> we will find the suspects involved. they will be held responsible. i don't have a doubt in my mind. and the men and women of the nypd have taken us so far, we'll

get that job done. >> reporter: police have not released the name of the person who died. gillian: keep us updated. and so many people have been so angeredded seeing those videos that have, essentially, gone viral in the last week of police officers getting doused with water. it's a shame. thank you. leland? leland: president trump doubling down on his attack of democratic congressman elijiah cummings. our talk radio panel on if the president adding nancy pelosi to his list of grievances is a good idea. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ geico for your boat. enjoy the water, enjoy the savings.

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elijiah cummings has failed badly. and with that, we bring in our talk radio panel, a new resident of the city of baltimore, robert patillo, good to see you. robert, first to you. and we've talked about this before, is elijiah cummings' constituents better served by hymn talking about the president's taxes or him using his bully pulpit and his political clout in congress to try to help his constituents who everyone agrees are in rough shapesome. >> let's understand that congress people can walk and chew gum at the same time. he can address the president, other issues and advocate for the people in your community. i think what we have to realize, president trump has done this previously. he talked about john lewis' district in 2017. it's not about what he says, but is he willing to step up and fix it. one of me minnesota to haves say -- mentors says if you identify a problem --

leland: the president says he has done something about it. there is the lowest african-american unemployment in history, wages are going up. >> well, look, we can talk about that, but if you're still seeing these videos coming out of the district, elijiah cummings may be responsible for a district, president trump is responsible for a nation and everybody involved in that nation. if he needs to continue talking about this, he needs to be putting forth policies the same way he goes to west virginia and red state america, i want to see him do a tour of baltimore, detroit -- leland: john, would the president be well served by making that tour? >> i think he would be. there's only one problem, leland, where i am and places like this in philadelphia, there's such mass resistance even during the campaign, or the president was shut down in chicago. i don't know that he can appear there without riots almost breaking out. i think he would be well served, and he did that during the campaign, he came to my city.

i don't think robert likes president trump's policies. they're not federal programs that elijiah cummings might want. what they are are entrepreneurialism, there's a lot of that going on, and jobs, and creating jobs. isn't that the stimulus to places like baltimore? leland: baltimore is a tough place, for sure. just ask bernie sanders back in 2015. take a listen. >> the fact of the matter is, is that america is the wealthiest country in the history of the world, but anyone who took the walk that we took around this neighborhood would not think you're in a wealthy nation. you would think that you were in a third world country. leland: prominent democrat i talked to this morning about those comment, specifically sanders saying it was a third world country or appeared to be, the democrats say it doesn't mean they're both -- meaning the president and bernie -- are racist, it just makes them both dumb. robert, they both have a point though. but why is it that when the president says things like this

and calls out these positions, the president's called a racist and sanders isn't? >> well, because a week ago the president was talking about sending people back to where they came from. bernie sanders compared the life span of the people in baltimore to people in north korea. so these are not new issues or new statements, but to point, look, i don't think the socialist programs are needed in places like baltimore or western massachusetts or other places. you need to have targeted tax cuts, start breaking up the positioning of federal agency ises, entrepreneurship, tax credits to bring back -- leland: so, john -- [inaudible conversations] robert got the first word with, you'll get the last, but the question is this: is the president missing an mustn't -- an opportunity not taking up the mantel of the programs that he talked about? >> i think in large part he is.

elijiah cummings, he wants to do the programs that have gone on forever back to lyndon johnson, more of the same. but to your point, lee rapid, if the president -- leland, if the president would drill down on that more, i think it would serve him well. leland: fellas, i have to compliment you on a thoughtful discussion on an issue that has caused a lot of folks to lose their minds on both sides. so appreciate it, as always. good to see you both. have a great rest of the sunday. >> thanks, leland. gillian: the second set of 2020 democratic debates is just days away. we're going to talk to a howard university associate professor on why the presidential candidates are courting black voters. that's coming up next. ♪ ♪ ebt we might die with. and most of that debt is actually from credit cards. it's just not right. but with sofi, you can get your credit cards right - by consolidating your credit card debt into one monthly payment. you can get your interest rate right - by locking in a fixed low rate today.

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campaign to canada today. why, you might ask? well, it doesn't matter where the 2020 candidates are, peter doocy is on the road with them, and he joins us now from detroit where they just came back acrosses the border. hi, peter. >> reporter: and we are here in the parking lot just across the bridge where we rode with bernie sanders from detroit acrosses the river into windsor, canada. and the point of the trip was that bernie sanders wanted us to meet with some american diabetics that are having a hard time paying for insulin, and the reason to go to canada is because certain insulin products on that side of the river -- it only took us about an hour to get there through customs, are 10-12 times cheaper than they are here in the united states. that does not answer the question though what would bernie sanders possibly do as president to make the prices here that cheap, so i asked him. >> what you can do is pass legislation that i've introduced

which says that in america we will not pay more for prescription drugs than what the average is in six countrieses around the world including canada. that will immediately significantly reduce drug prices. >> reporter: when we were there the outside the pharmacy in windsor where senator sanders made some remarks, there was quite a buzz among the locals over there just having this american presidential candidate coming over to make this point about health care. but ahead of this debate, it's going to be interesting to see if anybody else, any of the other democratic candidates try to pitch something similar or say that they agree with the approach that sanders is taking because over the last several months sanders has made it a point of pride, and it's something that he talks about a lot, that many of the things he talked about in 2016 were deemed by many pundits as being too progressive or too far out of the mainstream. but now things that he was talking about in 2016 like

medicare for all are championed by others in the top tier. leland? leland: something that'll come up on the debate side in a couple days. people buy these drugs in canada and come back to united states, do they have to declare them as goods they're bringing back? because you're only allowed $800. >> reporter: that is a good question. you're not allowed to bring over a truckload because the customs and the fda would fear that you would just be reselling illegally the drugs. but if you can demonstrate to the people at the border that it is a personal supply for a limited amount of time, up to 90 days generally per person, then they have no problem, and i did talk to a family with some young children who have type i diabetes, and they say they make a trip like this frequently to save tens of thousands of dollars a year,ing and they've never had any issues bringing the medicine from canada back over to united states.

leland. leland: excellent reporting. thanks, peter. gillian: the upcoming 2020 the democratic debates are shaping up to be a test on which candidate can draw the african-american vote. nearly all of the 2020 hopefuls appeared at the naacp convention last week, and here to talk about the influence of the african-american vote in the 2020 election is author of "republicans and the black vote" and associate professor at howard university, a very busy man, michael ponteroy, thank you for taking the time today. who do you think right now has the most work ahead of them to be able to secure the black vote? >> at this point it's joe biden because he has the most to lose. he is the one candidate who has universal name recognition among african-american voters -- and, for that a matter, all democratic voters. when you have that much to lose and this many candidates nipping at your heels, it's quite possible you could stumble. and if you do, then you run the

risk of losing the support -- gillian: yeah. i mean, it's critical. is anybody safe right now? >> no one's safe. of it's still very early. any candidate can say something to catapult themselves into a higher tier or say something that could hurt themselves and literally shoot their chances in the foot. gillian: you have a lot of candidates at this point drawing interest, but you wonder if interest is going to correlate into votes, because at this point there's still so many candidates out there. what do you think their messaging needs to be? >> well, i think it depends on the candidate. i think each candidate has to play to his or her strengths. so if you're somebody like joe biden, you play to experience and the connection to the obama administration. if you are someone like elizabeth warren, for example, you may want to talk about and really press your student loan plan, debt forgiveness plan which i think has potential to be a real big impact not just for black voters, but for all americans who are sort of tied by this yoke of student loan

debt. gillian: sticking with some fox news polls right now, the first one on president trump's race relations. and this you'll see the approval numbers have actually gone down between now and october 2018, and you can see the numbers there saying the same. there's another poll here that is does trump respect racial minorities, and you can see that has also gone down a little bit more significantly than the last poll we just showed. my question is when looking at these numbers is what do you think president trump has to do right now in order to secure those votes? >> well, he has to demonstrate that he cares. you know, the reality is the president of the united states has, from the very moment he descended from the trump tower escalator in 2015, played on racial animus and that sort of thing to build his base around the country. and it's worked very well for him at this point. and he's showing no real interest beyond that. so if he wants to -- and it's not the question if he actually does -- he has to show he cares.

gillian: african-american unemployment as low as it's ever been -- >> i don't think that's a particularly impressive number when you balance that against the fact that just three weeks ago the census bureau reported that black home own home ownership rates are at the lowest in the last 50 years, and the nonparticipation rates in the employment force are at its highest rates in 50 years. the unemployment number, while notable, i don't think tells the whole story. gillian: in the last debates, we saw what happened between kamala harris and joe biden. do you expect in the next round of debates for him to come out stronger swinging, if you will? >> he has to to be careful swinging. he will be better prepared, i suspect. i think senator harris caught everybody by surprise. she gave what i see to be the strongest performance out of everybody. but this is a candidate' forum.

it's not really intended to provide a full, wide-ranging conversation about policy. it's part theater, it's part policy, and i hope that, you know, people make their decisions based on a wider range of information. gillian: okay. great information. thank you so much for joining us. >> you're welcome. leland: all right. well, you're heading back up north. gillian: i am. leland: we will see you five a.m. on tuesday -- gillian: on tuesday morning. leland: the woman who needs no sleep. [laughter] we're glad to have you, come back anytime. we will see you next weekend. chris wallace has a great show coming up that includes the acting white house chief of staff. stand by for that. gillian: thank you. ♪ ♪ uh, i'll look into it. (phone rings) lisa jones! lisa: (on phone) hey carl, what are you charging me for online equity trades? (nervous chuckle) lisa: and do i get my fees back if i'm not happy? like a satisfaction guarantee? ugh. schwab!

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chris: i'm chris wallace, president trump claims victory after robert mueller's testimony as democrats debate what to do next. ♪ >> the democrats had nothing and now they have less than nothing. >> did you actually totally exonerate the president? >> no. >> and will the senate pass a bipartisan budget deal that's making conservative spending blocks cringe, we will discuss that and more with white house chief of staff mick mulvaney. then just 2 days before the next democratic debates, joe biden says no more mr. nice guy. >> what did you mean you will not be polite in the next debate. >> we will see.

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