getting destroyed by elizabeth warren. i just managed to capture the exact moments when john delaney new. i still think he made a really good point. we are out of time. have a good day. >> if are going to force americans to make these radical changes every credible poll i have seen. has been beating donald trump. we are more worried about winning an argument that an election. if we embrace a conservative agenda they're gonna there they were to bs conservative

socialist. i wonder why you are democrats. you seem to think there is something on about using the instrument -- instruments of government to help people. >> when we run on things that are not economics. >> i get a little bit tired of democrats afraid of big ideas so don't tell me that we cannot take on the fossil fuel industry. all i'm saying as. >> live from new york city it is the post game show. the longer the event went the

louder bernie sanders went. >> he was not happy about that. he is is the energy he also has the anger. i don't think america needs to be angrier. when they ask him. you are the youngest one he is oldest one. but they said age doesn't matter it's about policy. it was a bernie sanders and elizabeth warren against everybody else. everyone else is trying to make their splash. they were baited to take each other on. as long as we had two tears they will not go at it like that.

it's about eight minutes. in the words of marianna williamson. they are live at main street restaurant. what do they think about the big show there in detroit. we are at the main street restaurant. it's actually the picture of nick and mario. a communist country they left to come to this country and so we are going to find out what

they think about government run healthcare and the shift of the party to a democratic socialist position they just opened up the doors they are getting the bacon and eggs are ready to go we will be talking to people all morning long. we are in the rare situation of previewing and night number two which will feature cory booker and kamala harris. i was shocked that joe biden's name did not come up at all last night. >> soda the democratic policies. when you take a look at how the democrats are running when it comes to healthcare for instance there are different plans when barack obama said you can keep your healthcare. it turned out to be not true. a lot of them are moving so far to the left that scares the democrats. some of them were pushing back we will get into that in a

minute a lot of people like their health care. they don't want a government run healthcare. many people out there are worried that the government is gonna say you can't go to them anymore. he started to see that division on full display. >> i don't understand why anyone goes to all the trouble of a running for president of the united states just to talk about what we really shouldn't deal or fight for. the green new deal. the as that disaster you might as will fed ex the election to donald trump. hillary clinton was winning in the polls also. they're not getting along with it.

why do we have to be so extreme. i get tired of democrats afraid of big ideas. we are not trying to take away healthcare for anyone. that's what the republicans are trying to do. let's just see and up for the right policy and defend it. he have nothing to say of substance last night. i guess he better just go back to congressional retirement. decriminalizing the border let's have medicare for all. the biggest benefit to the democrats last night where the moderates that pushed her back on some of these wild policies before donald trump gets a hold of them.

they're making them go into detail about a program that we know has no future. he saw the split clearly. they were on the channel after the debate over on cnn and she said you can see the democrats say if we are going to lose the election if we are that far over there to the left watch. >> is quite an entertaining night. what you're starting to see this divide among the democrats we have these governor seen wait a second these policies are way too radical for america. they are meeting to it. the democratic party is going far left. that's were starting to see the democratic party in disarray. they don't really know what direction they're going. >> i was assigned to issue all of the to credit all of the

issues. fifty-one seconds. and you were assigned to show us how they were sparring on healthcare. watch this. >> what we have to be the party of taking something away. they are running on telling half the country that your health insurance is illegal. >> maybe you did that and made money off of people. it will force people off of private insurance. we are the democrats. we are not about trying to take away healthcare from anyone. you do not support medicare of -- for all.

i'm normally way over this with bernie and elizabeth on this one. summary people were like look her up and find out what she's all about. most googled the first debate. it was very clear about where people stood. they pay for health care. she would not answer that. i didn't want bernie sanders or elizabeth warren tommy who i can go to for a dr. or what procedures i can have.

she's absolutely be dishonest when it democrats are not taking that away. i do not think the majority of americans want that. >> and john delaney was a businessman's said we have to be a little bit more practical. bernie sanders wrote a play and it doesn't mean it works elizabeth warren has all these plans. >> you arty had a job. where are the plans while you are in washington. what have you done in the job right now. >> john delaney as on. if to talk about what you can really task. that's when elizabeth warren

got the big pause. i agree with him because you do have to talk about what is actually there. i'm in a put snack machines in every classroom. >> this election cycle the number one issue according to the latest poll is immigration is a big issue last night and here they are talking about it for a minute and 22 seconds. >> so the problem the criminalization statute is what gives donald trump the ability to take children away from their parents. it's what gives him the ability to lock up people at our borders. >> the point is not about criminalization. that has given donald trump this tools to break families apart.

>> if we give healthcare to everyone. we will have multiples of that. that was president obama's homeland security secretary that said that. the challenge isn't that it's a criminal offense to cross the border donald trump is president and using this to rip families apart. it is not just a crisis of immigration it's a crisis of cruelty and incompetence that has created a humanitarian disaster on our southern border. >> you did raise your hand in the last debate. >> it's suitable for the statute. if you want to come into the country you should at least ring the doorbell. they understand.

they did not want people just bought seat -- waltzing in through the border. yesterday it was announced that the rio grande sector has already witnessed the crossing over 300,000 9,000 people you cannot tell the american people about the apprehension. let alone the ones that snuck in. i know you believe in tim ryan on ran on that issue. did you believe him when he didn't put his hand over his heart for the star-spangled banner? >> to meet sometimes you think about the debate. i met a football game and everybody stands at most people put their hand over their heart.

it would normally come to mind. and she decided to run for president. they have not been pulling highly she broke the internet less and on google because she said some things. who is she what is that mean. there is an injustice that continues to form underneath the surface. >> thank you very much. it's get a deal with this dark psychic force. i'm afraid that the democrats are going to see some very dark days. it is time for us to start over. and the over -- the only way

you can over ride them override them is with new voices. it will not be emerging from anything on the stage. she went to two fold debates without making any ripples. the more he talked the less people like tim. that's why she was the most search on the internet last night. she is she's written 13 books including four number one best sellers. very popular in the self help genre. how would you react to her on that presidential candidate to cast spells of love and tranquility. >> and i want to see marian williams as president but i

would love to see her giving her a commitment speech. we will see if she survives. making history by being the first candidate by being a christian wig character. tonight you have some heavyweights that are going at it. >> it could be the last time we see two stages a one stage. in the 2% pulling this might be the last him time that we get to see marian. i wanted to make it to the third debate. what he think you think about last night? also we are on facebook

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a democratic drive. the second round of primary debates. it breaks down the top moments. into partners lee carter. while she was sleeping you put her down and you got to watch the debates last night. let's talk about some of the big moments. elizabeth warren's message and i don't understand why people run for president if they can talk about what they can't can get past. >> what anybody does all the trouble of running for president of the united states just to talk about what we really can't do and shouldn't engine fight for. >> i was just really surprised at this.

the important thing about this moment though was that it really showed that elizabeth warren was there to play. she got so much airtime and she really led the night. a lot of people did agree with that. the democrats on immigration. watch this and will talk about how the dials looked. >> the biggest problem right now that we head with immigration is donald trump what he's doing through his racism is demonizing a group of people. right now if you want to come into the country you should at least ring the doorbell. democrats gave us an a. i think it's interesting to note bernie sanders lost immigrants when he started talking about slamming it.

i think immigration will be a really important issue. the number one issue most important to voters out there. it is a crisis. watch this. we do have more than ten years to get this right. what you do with the industry that knowingly had billions of dollars in short-term profits. i say that is criminal.

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he was just deployed two weeks ago. he was killed alongside fellow paratrooper the 20-year-old kreischer leaves behind a wife. the couple expecting their first child in december. they write in a statement easy and men were true all americans and embodied the qualities of selfless service best encourage. they have each been awarded a purple heart in a bronze star. >> the pentagon wayne its response as north korea filers new ballistic missiles. north korea called the first round of lunches solemn warning about south korean and u.s. military drills. one month since president trump met him at the dmz.

he appears to be recording the whole thing with his phone in the other hand. people drenching cops with water. two lawmakers is now pushing to make these kind of attacks felonies. meanwhile senator elizabeth warren weighing in on what should be considered domestic care here in the united states. listen to this. >> we need to call out white supremacy for what it is. and it poses a threat to the united states of america. we live in the country know where the president is is advancing environmental racism economic racism, criminal justice racism. the way we do it better is to fight back in show something better. >> that is interesting. here to react fox nation host tommy laren. we live in a society where everything is racism and present .

>> that is all the democrats had. their russia card did not work out for them. more testimony so they have to go back to their other card which is calling white supremacists. were they not paying attention. the average american does not think that that again that is all they have. it's time we call white supremacy domestic terrorism. that is new. >> it's one thing to say that white supremacy is terrorism. again this is all about shifting narrative to what they want to focus on which his feelings and name-calling instead of the actual issues. if they want to talk about the actual issues they have to raise taxes on the middle class.

they would rather talk about the mean tweets. and how horrible donald trump is. that is all they have to talk about because their real plans are such trash. >> they don't want to pull -- focus on those. when you look at the numbers. it has reached $1.620 as of june of this year. a few of them have said they want to reduce or cancel billions of dollars in student debt. we have some sound of some of them saying that in the past. many of them have said they wanted to eliminate student loan debt. everyone wants to eliminate student loan debt but you don't do that by making the federal government a bigger player. he don't do that by tuition forgiveness. nothing is free. some but he has to pay for the

free things that they are promising. they did vote for plans to make them a bigger player in student loans. if you really want to help the students you get the federal government out. you force them to compete with one another on tuition prices. and just making everything free is not going to solve it. if you come here for the bachelor of arts in advertising or something like this. a number of schools have guaranteed jobs after graduation. there is a student loan a crisis in this country. they are saddled with a lot of burdens from that. we have to teach students going into college that you give to pay those loans back. learn personal responsibility

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they gave away wages in order to get good healthcare paired covers all health care needs. >> when i wrote the bill. i'm neck and a support any plan that rips a weight quality healthcare from individuals. i'm done with union members on this basis. they sacrifice wages to get the cadillac plans. they want them to have good benefits. pretend that a second impact at second impact the foundation of democratic support. i think there is 600,000 union members in michigan alone. griff jenkins is a life right now just outside detroit talking to the -- talking to

detroit and you know we are learning a lot about him. i have kevin and adrian right here. >> i think it is still the polish capital of michigan. kevin let me ask you what you saw last night what were your thoughts. >> i think you can still see there is a pretty strong division between some of the candidates. john delaney and elizabeth warren kind of went at it a little bit. that was pretty insightful at that point. >> as you see the divide in the democratic party. that is pretty much leading progressives are you glad to see the party moving that way.

>> i'm a republican so from the standpoint of the way they are moving left they are moving further away from the main stream and present trump is actually come through with his promises since he became president and somehow the democrats continue to twist and turn everything about them. a lot of the things that he is about and what he is doing they were for it before and now they are just twisting things. >> what were your reflections and did you see a candidate on stage last night that you could vote for? >> i could not cannot vote for any of them. i think they're going where -- way too far to the left. as far as the medicare for all a lot of their policies are just not feasible. >> i will let you guys eat very quickly.

he is on his way to work. what stood out for you last night. >> i didn't get a lot of it. i think they are all coming to the same conclusions of what they decided to do. >> you thought a lot of candidates are following the lead. >> i think that is why burning is getting more intimated it has animated in his talking points because everybody is taking them . he's trying to send out a stand out a little more. >> we will let you get to work. the polish capital in trying to get a little bit of a feel for where these voters may stand on the debate stage at which gave us a divide in the democratic party. you can actually eat in between life hits. i'm just telling you that you

will get reimbursed. >> you could also go to the berry gordy museum. >> let's bring in jason. he knows a lot of these people personally. i watched you last night and one thing they say is that they were all putting down obama care as it falls short. it falls short and now they are ripping it to shreds. we are living under the affordable care act. the democrats they put this bill with no republican input before the american people that is good to come up

tonight. who were the winners last night and the losers. >> who wear were the winners and losers. >> at that i thought representative delaney took the fight. and made a very particular argument. along with them saying the radical socialist agenda moving forward with the leaders within the democratic party this is problematic. i think it will resonate with a lot more modern democrats. as far as losers robert francis o o'rourke they are nowhere. as soon as they throw in the towel. i don't know why they are there. >> last week on all of the chino's it channels it was all

about robert mueller as the democrats were saying work and have this guy come out and he's gonna spill the beans about what happens and that did not happen. i don't remember hearing much about mueller last night do you? they show a total disconnect for where they are. the american people aren't are ready for this judgment. and it doesn't even come up. they did mention joe biden. did joe biden think they were to be a nominee. those two topics did not come up in that debate it was amazing. the moderators did not bring up impeachment. if they brought up impeachment how may people would have pushed back on it.

they would be too afraid. he made himself that way. they also talked about some of the ridiculousness with the border. let's listen. >> 's editor sanders units provide a three healthcare in college. why won't this drive even more people to come to the u.s. illegally. the main point i want to make is that what trump is doing through his racism is demonizing a group of people. and as president i will and that. if a mother and a child wants thousands of miles on a dangerous path in my view they are not criminals. >> what we will do the first week we are in the white house is bring the entire hemisphere together to talk about how we

rebuild so that people do not had to flee their own countries. >> lets them. >> lets them pour money into our country. >> it's all our fault. it's all america's fault that this is happening. at least bernie sanders calls at the way it is. nobody ever pointed out. he's not even a registered democrat. >> there is no voter security. how is he can us up cure the border these are the same people that made the argument that there was no crisis at the border. when you sit back and look at it i don't see any american clamoring for more government

more washington dc control. i think that's by donald trump is in the drivers seat. i think he is on the path to being fedex in. >> that comment really stuck out to me. in many of those candidates were trying to be centered. if you go is so radical than that is can a fedex the selection straight to donald trump. jillian joins us right now. with the news. women update to the story that we had been following. the murders -- the murdered ole ms. college student may have been pregnant. another student said that she

was against getting that procedure. an autopsy report has not been released and the pregnancy is not confirmed. a delta pilot is under arrest accused of being drunk to be drunk before take out. he have a bottle of alcohol with him and failed a sobriety test the pilot made it all the way onto the plane before he was taken into custody. a 10-year-old boy accused of assault after hitting a classmate in the have with the dodgeball. >> this is a kid that was playing on the playground with his friends. i'd be sorry for any child that got hurt. he suffered a concussion due to a rare condition the boy is

due in court tomorrow. >> monopoly teaches him a hard lesson about life. the worst part of the game is taxes. it is now going viral. getting a lot of attention after first appearing on reddit. they clearly relate to the boy. look at how much they take out for taxes. now he he's prepared for that. >> it is the most stressful game ever because you never know who's gonna buy what. i never wanted to go broke.

>> i wish i could afford hotels. the democrats are trying to take the high ground at the debate. >> the so-called conservative christian senators are blocking bill to raise the minimum wage. whoever oppresses the poor taunts their maker. we called jonathan moran -- morris. ♪

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democratic hopefuls leslie claiming the moral high ground as they push their progressive agenda. they even suggest those against minimum wage. in addition to supporting workers.

the minimum wage is just too low. and conservative christian senators when scripture says that whoever oppresses the poor taunts their maker. >> jonathan morris as a fox news contributor and he joins us now to react. >> so-called christian senators that's what i found to be most offensive. i wouldn't say to anyone you are so-called christian. just because you don't believe that my policy is right. secondly, they are pushing for 15-dollar minimum wage would be more christian to give a 25-dollar minimum wage at sounds like according to their very simplistic christian reasoning here.

we need discernment and wisdom to figure what is best for this. we have heard that you raise the minimum wage that's great for the person that gets it but that the employer is can have to lay someone off in many cases you can't say this is the christian way this is not when you're talking about very complicated economic policy. don't take any single scripture passage and say you're sager either with god or not with god if you vote for my plan. and who are we to judge other people's faith. if you look at the whole debate lasting and i think we all watched at least part of it you sought every single candidate was trying to take the moral high ground. we are the ones that are good

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>> please don't tell me that we cannot take on the fossil fuel industry. >> you don't have to yell. ♪ ♪ brian: have you met bernie sanders? he yells all the time. steve: welcome to postgame show. last night was night two of round two. ainsley: that's right. joe bidenen is ahead in the polls by a long shot. brian: and guess what? he's going to be in the middle. kamala harris and cory booker right next to him. so the fight doesn't have to go far. you could say it's a three-shot, attention camera two right in the middle. ainsley: they're taking their clove gloves off. brian: if they don't go after him now, they don't want to win. steve: and last night you saw the division, it was blue on blue, and a lot of people are

black and blue after that. we got to griff jenkins about 6 miles away from detroit to get the reaction from the folks in michigan about the big debate last night. >> reporter: that's right, guys. we're at the main street restaurant, here is tina, she's teaching me -- what do i hit here? we're making money all morning long. what's fascinating is these voters here, some watched it, some didn't. they said they're too busy working, but all are aware of the division because they're reading the papers in here, and they tell me they're mostly -- so far, the dines have -- are concerned about what they're hearing from the progressives, from the sanders, the elizabeth warrens. this is also a bar, so if you want to come down here to main street, there's a bar as well as restaurant, but so far people are just eating breakfast. nobody has gone to the bar yet. we're going to check in with the diners a little later, guys. steve: if he's not at the

border, he's at the studio -- he is just literally a mile or two away from canada right now. ainsley: smart to put the name main street in your time, right? brian: everybody's got a main street. one of the main takeaways about last night was when you saw the democrats who are running for president in 2020, you know, they are running far to left of where barack obama left. they're running way, way far to left of where bill clinton was. it's very clear that there are super progressives on the stage last night and then more moderate. and a lot of the moderates are saying if we adopt the policies of the super leftists, we're not going to win. brian: yeah. the moderates are doing the work for the party, because if the extreme left gets nominated -- doesn't matter who it is from what night, tonight or tomorrow night, they have no shot. the moderates are forcing the left-wingers to defend their

policies. these are fantasies that have never been been implemented. how do we know? because 76-year-old bernie sanders has had the same ideas for 50 years, and none of them have worked, none of them implemented, none of them proven to be effective even in the state of vermont -- ainsley: that's why he's yelling. biden is at the top, ahead by a long shot, andny went down to number -- bernie went down to number four. steve: the big issue for a lot of them the first half hour was an argument about what to do about health care and single payer and things like that. the other big topic was immigration, if you missed the conversation about it last night, here's some of it. >> so the problem is that right now the criminalization statute is what gives donald trump the ability to take children away from their parents. it's what gives him the ability to lock up people at our

borders. >> just to clarify, would you decriminalize illegal border crossings? >> yes. the point is not about criminalization. that has given donald trump the tool to break families apart. >> if we decriminalize entry, if we give health care to everyone, we'll have multiples of that. don't take my word, that was president obama's homeland security secretary that said that. >> but you are playing into donald trump's hands. the challenge isn't that it's a criminal offense to crosses the border. the challenge is that donald trump is president and using this to rip families apart. >> when i'm president, illegally crossing the border will still be illegal, and it's not just a crisis of immigration, it's a crisis of cruelty and incompetence that has created a humanitarian disaster on our southern border. >> you did raise your hand in the last debate you do want to decriminalize crossing -- >> so in my view, if fraud is

involved, that's suitable for the criminal statute. if not, it should be handled under civil law. >> if you want to come into the country, you should at least ring the doorbell. donald trump is using illegal immigration, we kept hearing that to tear away families. he would love not to have a problem at the border like when he first took the job. now he has no choice but to try to house these would-be illegal immigrants, and how do you know, mayor pete, if something's fraudulent if you're not going to stop people at the border to see if you're part of the 30% that are using children in order to get here. but meanwhile, we do have a guest at six minutes after the hour, 2020 hopeful john delaney. >> folks, we have a choice. we can go down the road that senator sanders and senator warren want to take us which is with bad policies like medicare for all, free everything and impossible promises that'll turn

off independent voters and get trump reelected. >> what do you say to congressman delaney? >> you're wrong. [laughter] [cheers and applause] steve: and congressman delaney joins us right now live from outside the fox theater there in downtown detroit. congressman, good morning to you. >> good morning. steve: well, last night it was very clear that voters will have a choice. they can either vote for a moderate, somebody kind of left of center, or somebody who's way left of center. >> yeah, that's the choice. i mean, i think they east vote for -- either vote for someone who wants to solve problems and has ideas that are workable, or do we nominate someone who's got a bunch of fairy tale economics or impossible promises, none of which will ever happen. and as i said, they'll turn off the independent voters and get the president reelected, in my

opinion. brian: are you talking about elizabeth warren? she has a plan for everything, but she's never implemented a plan for everything. >> it's not just elizabeth warren, it's bernie sanders. if you take what they're saying to an extreme, what's next? free vacations, you know? free housing, free everything. i mean, at some point we do have to pay for these things. i believe there is a role of government to do things to give people the kind of opportunity they deserve like we've seen here in detroit the last couple years where we've seen a good turn-around where the government can and private sector actually work together. ainsley: i thought it was very practical, what you were saying last night, i thought you did a good job with that because we all knew that kid in school when you were running for student body president, they promised to put snack machines in all the classes. you know that's not going to happen, but the kids vote for that person. i felt like that was your moment last night, even though the crowd really applauded elizabeth warren when she went back at you

for saying you're promising a lot, you're not going to be able to deliver. watch this. >> democrats win when we run on real solutions, when we run on things that are workable. >> i don't understand why anybody goes to all the trouble of running for president of the united states just to talk about what we really can't do and shouldn't fight for. [cheers and applause] ainsley: what's your reaction to that? your running -- you're running for president because you're being honest to the american people. i don't understand why people run and promise stuff that never happens? >> well, that's the response when someone really can't defend their plans. so, for example, if john f. kennedy when he said we should go to moon by the end of the decade in the '60s, someone could have said to him, well, you're not saying we should go next month, so you're not being ambitious enough, right? so it's a dishonest, kind of lazy response. it's similar to when they say it to republican talking points, you know? that's the problem with the extreme left of the party.

when you point out obvious flaws in the things they're talking about, they say, well, that's a republican talking point. and i'm like, no, it's actually a fact that you should be able to defend. and i think the same thing with elizabeth warren. when i point out that the things she's proposing are fairy tale economics, she says, oh, you're not being ambitious enough. if you actually look at the things i'm proposing, which is to actually create universal health care where every american has health care as a basic right, but we allow people to have choices, that doesn't sound like a plan that's not ambitious, that actually sounds like a plan that i'll have to work incredibly hard and use every ounce of political capital to potentially get done. and so i think it's just kind of lazy and a dishonest response to people who don't feel comfortable defending these kind of crazy proposals. brian: was it frustrating to just hear the questions and the moderator just went on? >> yeah. what i wanted to say was what i just said to you which is, you

know, why don't you defend your proposal as opposed to saying something that's lazy and dishonest, but the moderators had already moved on. you know, it was the same point i had on a lot of different issues. i talked about trade last night. elizabeth warren just came out with a trade proposal that would prohibit us from entering into a trade agreement with the united kingdom of the e.u., you know, and that's isolationism, right? and i embrace rules-based trade. i actually think in many ways her trade policy is much closer to president's than the kind of trade policy i want to put in place. steve: the number one issue, according to gallup, for the american public is immigration. of course, people have different opinions about immigration, but one of the questions that i don't believe was asked of you is do you favor free health care for people who are in this country illegally? >> no. i would like to get health care for every american. that's what i'm actually focused

on. you know, if people are undocumented, they're in our country, they do have access to emergency room under current law, and they can, of course, buy private health insurance. but, no, i think we ought to focus on getting health care to american people first. there's a huge amount of work to do there, actually. brian: hey, john, if you don't double the amount of donors and get at least 2% in polling, you're not going to be on the stage in september. you not there yet. if you don't get on the stage in september, is it over? >> no. first of all, i'm planning on getting on the stage in september. and it's definitely not over. i mean, to me, the real test of the campaign is how you do in the iowa caucus and the new hampshire primary, because that's when, like, real human beings actually cast their votes, and that matters. between now and then, you know, there's the ups and downs for every campaign. obviously, we had a good night last night, we feel good about the september and october debate, and we feel there's a

lot of people out there -- including probably some of your viewers who want a rational person on the democratic debate stage making points about real solutions, and they can go to johndelaney.com to give me a dollar and help me get on that stage so i can be making these points. ainsley: john delaney, an attorney, businessman turned congressman from the great state of maryland -- steve: read more about him at johndelaney.com. ainsley: thanks, john. brian: sanders and warren don't have practical solutions to the problems. ainsley: they're much more radical than he is. steve: all right. 7:13 now here in new york city, and gillian joins us with more news. >> reporter: we begin with a fox news alert. michael isaiah nance's remains arriving at dover air force base overnight. the 24-year-old died in an insider attack in afghanistan. he was deployed just two weeks ago. nance, killed alongside private

first class ban brandon chrishe. quote: these young men were true, all-americans and 'em bodied the qualities of selfless courage. the heroes each had been awarded a purple heart and bronze star. a new water attack on the nypd. take a look at this video showing a man spraying a water bolt on traffic officers. and right there he appears to be recording the whole thing with his phone. several videos surfaced last week of people drenching cops with water. two new york state lawmakers now pushing to make these kinds of attacks felonies. president trump praising a federal judge for dismissing a dnc hacking lawsuit, claiming wikileaks conspired with russia to interfere in the election. the manhattan the judge ruling those claims were moot or

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taking center stage at last night's democratic debate. here the -- here to weigh in, david webb. you're not surprised racism came up. are you surprise everyone agreed the president's a racist pursuing those policies? >> no, i'm not surprised at all. but, brian, on the other side, what did they offer? we were talking about baltimore. did any of them talk about solutions that are needed in a city that has had 50 years plus of liberal governance and failed governance? because the politicians get to talk about it, but the people live with it. they live with the poverty, they hiv in the dilapidated neighborhoods, without good educational opportunity or job opportunities. so is it racist to talk about rat-infested areas of a city that has a higher per capita murder rate than el salvador? brian: you know that elijiah cummings used the same language to talk about his own district? >> right. for 37 years he served that district in both baltimore and howard counties combined, and

when you look at the disparity between the two, it's amazing. brian: the president said the word is losing its impact. it's used so so often in so many different ways. is that true? >> yes, it is. environmental racism, a number of things that elizabeth warren threw in there. brian: i could not write them down quick enough. >> that's because it's about a narrative. if you read the democrat e-mails that go out between the teams, the campaigns expect dnc, it's all about joining themselves with this narrative. but they never say, okay, you know what? this is what trump talked about, so here's my idea to fix it. where's the fix it or -- brian well, no one could ever explain slavery or make excuses for it. especially afterwards, the programs weren't implemented to make it a smooth transition, i get it. but now reparations is back as if it seems to be 1865 again. mary ann williamson offered a

way for reparations to work. see what you think. >> we need some deep truth-telling. if you did the math of the 40 acres and the mule given there was 45 million slaves at the end of the civil war, and they were all promised 40 acre ands a mule for every family of four, if you did the math today, it would be trillions of dollars, and i believe anything less than $100 billion is an a insult. so many americans realize there is an injustice that continues to form a toxicity underneath the surface -- >> ms. williamson, thank you -- brian: that got a lot of buzz. i figured it out dollar to dollar. >> actually, if you read a transcript of what she said, it's gobbledygook. it's the garbage. reparations is not going to happen, nor should it. we've evolved as a country. there are more black millionaires and billionaires in this country than there are combined around the world per capita in any country. you look at the wealth in the middle class blacks, which has

grown in this country, and you lack at a -- look at the combined efforts of americans of all ethnicities who fought against segregation, for voting rights, for the rights of all americans, how are you going to make this happen? and the fraud that's explained best here is what kamala harris and cory booker, mr. sport cat, talked about -- spartacus dud when they formed a commission, one that will never happen. it's the new wedge issue for a while because they think they can pin racism on the president and claim reparations for the blacks. but neither is true. brian: david, we've come a long way to have a racially equal society. what gets us the rest of the way? >> what we're doing. what are we doing in this country in we're showing a model of you can be raised anywhere, born anywhere and, if given the opportunity, get ahead. and where there are challenges, we haved good people working to overcome them. you can't do more than that in society. freedom has its rewards and

risks. and in a free society, an education, a chance is what really gives you a chance to evolve. they can't take away your brain, your thought, your heart. brian: and no one's getting in your way whether it's being on the radio -- >> except for reva martin. brian breep reality check on fox nation, the runaway hit, go to fox nation.com and order it or download the app at the app store. good job, david. thank you so much. straight ahead, we're going to show you the mini golf course inside a church sparking a big debate. and bernie sanders leading the charge for medicare for all. i'll stop now. >> i would like to run a nonprofit health care system. >> you don't know what you're talking about. >> i do the know. i wrote the damn bill. brian: newt gingrich sounds off next on that topic and so much

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up with what americans actually want? fox news contributor newt gingrich writes a free newsletter at gingrich 360.com, and he joins us now. good morning to us, mr. speaker. >> good morning. ainsley: good morning -- >> that was a -- well, i thought it was a really good night for donald trump. he could hardly have hoped for a better debate. you had a handful of rational moderates, you had one on earlier, congressman chainny, who are basically saying -- their sound bites are perfect and would replace probably half of the trump ads for next year because they go out and tell the truth. this stuff of is crazy. you have bernie sanders -- i was really struck by personalities. you have sanders who suddenly has become very angry. steve: yeah. >> i don't know if he's frustrated, what's going on. but he really was, as somebody said, a little bit like the angry uncle who showed up at thanksgiving, and nobody wanted to set him off because he'd start waving his arms and

yelling. [laughter] and, you know, his one comment was absurd, i know what's in it, i wrote the bill. well, lots of congressmen and senators write bills. remember obamacare, you yet to keep your doctor and insurance? none of it was true. i don't care if we trust bernie's interpretation of bernie's own bill, but the big winner last night, i think without any question, was donald trump. steve: but also the american people, mr. speaker, got a really good chance to see where the democratic party is, the state of the democratic party right now. because you had people who were moderate, to left of center, and then to you had some super left who had all sorts of plans that, you know, as john delaney told us a little while ago, fairy tale ideas. >> yeah. i think it's going to be interesting to watch the evolution of the next couple months, because the core of the democratic party now is very, very left wing and almost

irrationally anti-trump to a point where they just want to stand around and chant and scream. whether or not any kind of rational debate -- pointing out, for example, that the taking away health insurance from 180 million people is not very smart, pointing out that decriminalizing crossing the border so you have no controls while also offering tax-paid health care for illegal immigrants is probably not very smart. you go down a series of these things, whether or not inside the democratic party there's a large enough base left of people who have common sense, i'm not sure. i just say that looking at the polling data that the gap between self-identified democrats on the one hand and independents and republicans on the other on these kind of issues is really remarkably big. steve: well, one thing now in 2018 they accused this network and the president in particular of fabricating a crisis at the

border. now everyone agrees, but they say the president's doing it on purpose. these candidates went at it over illegal immigration. stun thingly, it wasn't even over building the wall or using virtual technology, it was over making it okay just to walk in for free and allow people to become citizens. listen. >> if we say our law is that we will lock people up who come here seeking refuge, that is not a crime. >> and i expect that people who who come here follow our laws, and we reserve the right to criminally prosecute them. >> if fraud is involved, then that's suitable for the criminal statute. if not, it should be handled under civil law. >> if you want to come into the country, you should at least ring the doorbell. steve: he's right about that, is isn't he, mr. speaker? ring the doorbell if you're going to come in. [laughter] >> i thought that was actually a good line. steve: it is. >> the challenge you've got is among the most active democrats, they are so polarized now that

they say things that if you think about it, are totally irrational. but you have the governor of california, our biggest state, actively in favor of free health care paid for by the taxpayers firm legal immigrants -- for illegal immigrants. you have a whole series of policy positions, the entire program that aoc and the other radicals have produced on the environment. when you actually start reading it, you know, we're going to abolish trains, well, i mean, airplanes. well, this is a really big country. you start abolishing airplanes, you've got a huge impact on the whole country. you go down the list of these kind of things, and on the left it's all sort of just a mantra, it's a chant. you say it, you feel better, it has no meaning. by the way, we'll do all of it without raising your taxes, although to his credit, senator sanders has admitted you'd is a middle -- you'd have a middle class tax increase.

he's at least being open in the walter mondale tradition that he would raise taxes on the middle class. brian: all right. i want to sign up for newt's brand new newsletter, gingrich 360.com. it's brand new because you were not busy enough and not diverse enough, so this'll be a good way to broaden out. [laughter] >> good to be with you all. ainsley: thank you so much, newt. steve: you just heard the former speaker's take on last night's debate, but what did voters think? griff jenkins is having breakfast with friends in michigan, right, griff? >> reporter: we are, indeed, inside -- tina's got some thoughts on health care. she thinks democrats actually might be best suited, but we're also going to take you inside the main street kitchen and talk to chef who is from a communist country. let's head back there next. we're going to bother him while he's cooking. we're going to bring it to you live when we come back. ♪ ♪ when the hot sun hits your ice cream

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to see some very dark days. i don't think the democratic party should be surprised that so many americans believe yada, yada, yada. you can't fight dog whistles, you have to override them with new voices, something emotional and psychological that will not be memorying from anything on -- merging from anything on this stage. brian: something tells me the role-playing didn't include idea a da, yada, yada. steve: on the op-ed page of the new york post the headline is new age, marianne williamson is the breakout winner of the democratic debate because so many people saw her for, in many cases, the first time. peopled had to go to google to figure out who she was, and now they know. ainsley: more people on google were trying to find out more about her last night than any other candidate.

the same thing happened in the first debate. she's an author the, an activist, she's written 13 books and four of them have become new york times bestsellers. broip brian how about this tweet from jonah goldberg, he says i feel like marianne williamson got cut off before she can talk about the health care man. crazy, mary jan williamson is at the debate and not storming area 5 is. ainsley: derek says marianne williamson is going to get sworn on a paperback copy of harry potter -- brian: after she, in fact, wins perhaps. she does lift you up. steve: well, she makes you feel better about yourself, she's a self-help guru. [laughter] brian: it was funny. let's go out to michigan, griff jenkins is live at the main street restaurant. ing griff, anybody talking about marianne williamson there? >> reporter: you know, that's

a good question. i'm here with tina, very patriotic -- >> oh, thank you. >> reporter: they're talking about marianne williamson, one of the 20 candidates. what do you think of her? >> you know, it's interesting that she decided to run for president, and i'm really wondering why. >> reporter: well, that's a good point. now, you are -- sometimes you go republican, sometimes you go democrat. where are you right now? >> right now i'm leaning democratic. >> reporter: and when you saw the debate, medicare for all was a big part, what were your thoughts? what did you think of them? >> i think probably this party, the democratic party, is more likely to come up with a workable system as opposed to republicans. but i think it's going to take a lot of ideas and a lot of people to really come up with something that's going to work for everybody. >> reporter: quickly, tina, is

it bernie sanders' medicare for all, elizabeth warren sort of shift, or do you think it'll be manager more centrist? >> i think more season tryst because in the -- centrist because, in the end, we really govern from the middle. >> reporter: all right, teen. that real quickly, guys, i just want to take you to kitchen. now, nick is the owner. nick, can i steal you for a second? the he was watching the debate. he is one of the two owners, brother mario as well. thanks for having us here. what did you think of the debate last night and a little bit of your back story. >> well, the debates, you either had the far left or you had the guys in the center, so it all depends on how people and what they think and what their issues and peeks experiences have been. my experience, i grew up in montenegro as a little kid. when i came, i moved to new york with my family, and montenegro's a socialist-communist country, so we fellowed there to -- fled

there to come to america. so i don't like the socialized health care, me personally, but i know some people do. and if it suits them, god bless 'em. that's why we have elections. democracy in america, so people get to choose what they want, you know? so my opinion, doesn't matter. i cast my vote to whoever i think is going to best suit my needs, you know? >> reporter: and you're making . back to you in new york. steve: let him get back to work, thank you, griff. brian: donald trump made his prediction yesterday, he said he thinks it's going to be sleepty joe, and sleepy joe is on stage tonight. i was surprised not a word about him last night. if you want to knock off the top guy, you've got to bring up his name. ainsley: they did slam his policies. obamacare?

brian: right. steve: but also, if joe biden were the nominee every one of those people last night would probably want to be vice president. ainsley: exactly. they would say yes. steve: exact wily. brian: when it becomes inevitable, they'll back off. ainsley: he says he's not going to be sleepy joe tonight. he's fighting back. steve: all right. 16 minutes before the top of the hour, and gillian joins us with some news about a mother who is in big trouble. >> reporter: right. a mom is under arrest after her son poured boiling water on a friend. investigators in kentucky say the child was inspired by the hot water channel where people dump -- challenge where people post reactions online. the 11-year-old victim was hospitalized with second and third-degree burns. police say angela gus did not immediately seek medical attention for the child who was at her home for a sleepover. a child miraculously survives a six-story fall off a

building when good the samaritans catch him with a blanket. look at this terrifying video showing the 3-year-old hanging onto a balcony in china. his grandmother left him alone to go grocery shopping. a cloud of quick thinkers catch p the toddler after he lost his grip. incredibly, he was not hurt. holy ground is turned into putt putt heaven, sparking outrage. a bridge-themed mini golf course just installed inside england's second oldest cathedral. the temporary course is meant to teach people about faith building bridges in life. critics call it sack religious. okay, so you know what jlo says about lo, right? ♪ ♪ even if you were broke, my love don't cost a thing ♪ >> reporter: well, for millennials love is making them shell out a ton of cash. according to a new study by the dating web site match, 30% of millennials can't afford to date. many blame the problem on

student loan debt and the high cost of living. those are your headlines, back to you. steve: do they split the bill these days? >> reporter: don't know. steve: okay, just curious. thank you very much. janice dean, the weather machine, joins us with the forecast. >> reporter: hi, guys! how are you? birthday today, yesterday? steve: yesterday. >> reporter: very nice. and you too? where are you from?

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trump-pence campaign, kaley mcaninny, along with former pollster mark penn, there he is, and former justice director for bernie sanders' 2016 campaign. good morning to all of you. >> good morning. steve: all right. so mark penn, let's start with you. who were your winners and losers last night? >> i thought elizabeth warren was probably the big winner. i think she looks more substantive, she seemed to hit all the bells for the progressive democratic electorate. remember, that's who's watching, that's who she's trying to get. look, i thought the moderates were winners just because they made an impression. they said, a hey, we're here, we don't agree with fantasy land, and i think they got to say what they believe on national tv and get that to come across, and i think that was a win for them. and everyone else, not so much. steve: everyone else the loser? >> they didn't go forward, so if you don't go forward in a group of 20, you're going backwards.

steve: all right. you used to work with bernie sanders, seemed like everybody was after bernie including, in some measure, elizabeth warren. >> yeah. you know, i actually was pretty critical of senator sanders during the last debate. i felt he shriveled up, so i was pleased to see him have a lot more energy, a little bit of fight in him this time around, but i do plea agree that senator warren was certainly strongest out of the candidates. and that's mainly because she won the first debate, in my opinion, and she's showing she's consistently able to keep knocking the ball out of the park. i do want to give senator sanders some credit, but i also think governor bullock was also very strong, repeating over if over how obama administration agreed with his same policies with the border, i thought he was a strong moderate. he took senator sanders to task all the way through. steve: and the fact that so many different democrats were taking other democrats to task on this

stage, you've got to figure donald trump -- if he watched any of it -- he's going, yeah, more of that. the i love to see that. >> yeah, that's right. and that's why i say president trump was the winner last night. what we learned yesterday was that the jfk democrats, the moderate democrat is a relic of a bygone era. you saw the candidates who could never win the nomination -- john delaney and tim ryan -- telling the candidates who actually can win nomination your policies aren't going to do much. your radical left socialism will doom us out of the party. decriminalizing border crossings, 27% support. the democrats are becoming the party of the 10-15%. and that was the exposed last night. steve: speaking of the far-left agenda, here is an interchange between john delaney and elizabeth warren on that topic. >> democrats win when we run on real solutions, not impossible promises. when we run on things that are workable -- >> i don't understand why

anybody goes to all the trouble of running for president of the united states just to talk about what we really can't do and shouldn't fight for. [cheers and applause] steve: so how far should the democratic party go at this stage of the game? >> i think it's really important to talk about the fact that joe biden is polling higher than all of them, and let's not forget that he is a moderate. when we look at these candidates tonight, obviously senator sanders and senator warren were the top two candidates, but when you compare them side by side with joe biden, they still have a long way to go, and that's why governor bullock's position was so important tonight. i think hickenlooper does have a strong background, but he just doesn't seem to connect with the people. but i think he's a good candidate as well. steve: hey, mark, going in bernie sanders and elizabeth warren were the front-runners.

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industry. >> you don't have to yell. ♪ brian: have you met bernie sanders. all bernie does yell all the time. disturbing to yell in your ear, if you're tim ryan. ainsley: when i was a kid that was the favorite thing to say to my sister. if we fight, i would say calmly, you don't have to yell. steve: griff jenkins is not far from detroit. are the people there, as the light goes out there, how loud bernie sanders was? reporter: bernie sanders was yelling so loud my camera light went out. many i'm kidding. we're taking here at the main street restaurant. anthony parker was a michigan voter. he had to get his brake fast to go. he was in a hurry. you watched, what was your take

away? >> my take away all vote es should listen to all candidates in the field. that will be very important in the election cycle. take your time to get to know the candidates and make a decision. reporter: did you think bernie sanders yelled too much? >> he yells a lot. he tried to get his point across i respect that. reporter: what was your breakfast to go? >> business cuts and gravy and bacon. reporter: he has to go to work. we'll get more breakfast, more opinions on the debate. steve: before that guy goes, who was his winner last night? reporter: anthony, if you had to pick a winner of the first 10 last night, who did you think did the best? was it sanders, warren, more moderate guys like delaney or tim ryan? >> i would probably have to say, i kind of like elizabeth warren's message. she hit on some point about the environment and some of the things we need to do, creating

more jobs here in michigan. so that is always an important part. so right now i would have to go with her. reporter: do you think tonight will be a bigger one? >> i do. i think the bigger candidates will be out obviously with joe biden and the vice president. i'm looking forward to see what his message is tonight. reporter: we don't want to keep you late for work, anthony. more of that coming later. steve: excellent analysis. brian: the candidates are saying bernie sanders i will get rid of all cars except electric cars. really? you're in michigan. a lot of people are happy with the number one energy producer in the world. we'll get rid of oil and gas. so we'll destroy america's economy for and destroy millions of jobs to make us energy dependent again. ainsley: the division was in full display i thought last night. so many were radical like

elizabeth warren and bernie sanders. some called them out like john hickenlooper and tim ryan. said these politics are too extreme. you might as well-fed ex-the election to donald trump if you're that extreme. brian: green deal, not so good. >> look at highlights last night. >> i don't understand why anybody goes to all the trouble of running for president of the united states just to talk about what we really can't do and shouldn't fight for. [cheers and applause] >> the "green new deal," that is a disaster. you might as well-fed ex-the election to donald trump. >> every credible poll that i have seen has me beating donald trump. >> hillary clinton was winning in the polls too. >> if i think if we force americans to make the radical changes, they're not going to go along. throw your hand up. but you haven't -- whoa, i can do it. >> why do we have to be so extreme. starting to think this was not about health care. >> i get a little bit tired of democrats afraid of big ideas.

republicans are not afraid of big ideas. >> we are the democrats. we are not about trying to take away health care from anyone. that's what the republicans are trying to do. >> they're going to say we're a bunch of crazy socialists. let's stand up for the right policy. go out there and defend it. brian: kind of weird. mayor pete was playing the game. i don't want to make my mistakes. i want to withstand the cattle call portion of the debates to live for the fall portion of the debates. klobuchar did nothing last night. ainsley: he talked about the military service. brian: all the time. never stops talking about his military service as if only one ever served in the military. ainsley: he would out of afghanistan within the first year. some said within the first year. steve: ultimately if you did tune in anthony the diner was talking about how important to see all the voices of the people running for president, ultimately very clear, some people are moderate left, and

some are way left which newt gingrich says helps one man at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. >> i thought it was a really good night for donald trump. you had a handful of rational moderates. you had one on earlier congressman delaney, basically saying, their sound bites are perfect, would replace half of the trump ads for next year because they come out and tell the truth. this stuff is crazy. it is going to be interesting to watch the evolution of the next couple months because the core of the democratic party now is very, very left-wing and almost irrationally anti-trump to a point where they want to stand around and chant and scream. steve: but democrat have been very, they have been very impactful. got a lot of headway with health care. they see that perhaps as another winning issue when it comes to 2020. brian: what is so bizarre,

obamacare with all its problems, for some reason the american people as predicted by some experts, i'm afraid of losing what i have, so i will hold on to obamacare. you had basically everyone on the stage last night talk about how bad obamacare was even though the democrats are the only ones voted for obama care. they want to do "medicare for all." it is if you do the math for seniors that have it and like it and for rest of us. ainsley: hickenlooper, ryan, they did not like the concept for "medicare for all." >> why do we have to be the party taking something from people. they're running on telling half the country that your health insurance is illegal. >> maybe you did that, made money off of health care but our job is to run a non-profit health care system. >> you don't know that bernie. >> i do know, i wrote the damn bill.

>> "medicare for all" program will force people off private insurance. i have a better path. medicare for america. >> let's be clear we are the democrats. we're not about taking away health care from anyone. that is what the republicans are trying to do. >> you do not support "medicare for all." is senator warren correct. you do not lack the will to fight for it. >> that is incorrect. i have a better way to do it. >> i'm normally over with bernie and elizabeth on this one. i hear the others. steve: she hears others. the first question was whether "medicare for all" was about "medicare for all" was bad for society and 30-minute brawl broke out. john delaney you saw on the stage was wary about making promises of free everything. he said this about that. >> if you take what they're saying to an extreme, what's next? free vacations? you know, free housing? free everything. at some point we do have to pay for these things.

i think they either vote for someone who who wants to actualy solve problems, has ideas are workable, tell the american people how we pay for it, how we get them done. or do we nominate someone who has a bunch fairytale economics or impossible promises none of which will ever happen. that is the problem with the extreme left of the party. when you point out obvious flaws in the things they're talking about, they say that is republican talking point. i'm like. it is actually a fact. it is you should be able to defend. steve: elizabeth warren was asked if health care plans would racetrackses on middle class. she chose not to answer that question. brian: wow. the main thing too, if you look at the polls, almost, democrats and republican voters as well as moderates say immigration is their number one issue. the problems at the border. finally both sides are admitted we have a crisis at border. what the democrats had to do at the border, even had moderate

democrats, had their heads spinning. watch. >> so the problem is that right now the criminalization statute is what gives donald trump the ability to take children away from their parents. it is what gives him the ability to lock up people at our borders. >> just to clarify, would you decriminalize illegal border crossings? >> yes. the point is not about criminalization. that has given donald trump the tool to break families apart. >> if we decriminalize, if we by health care to everyone, we'll have multiples of that. don't take my word. that was president obama's homeland security secretary that said that. >> but you are playing into donald trump's hands. the challenge net that it is a criminal offense to cross the border. the challenge is that donald trump is president and using this to rip families apart. >> when i'm president, illegally crossing the border will still

be illegal. not just a crisis of immigration. it is a crisis of cruelty and incompetence that created a humanitarian disaster on our southern border. >> you did raise your hand in the last debate. you do want to decriminalize crossing the border. >> in my view if fraud is involved that is suitable for the criminal statute. if not, it shut be handled by civil law. >> if you want to come into the country, you should at least ring the doorbell. steve: mayor pete walking back what he said by holding up his hand at first debate. john delaney, do we asked him do you support health care for people in the country illegal, he said no. ainsley: tim ryan, tallest guy on the stage, ring the doorbell. he did not put his hand on his heart for "the star-spangled banner." only one there were reports that jay inslee the governor of washington state has been asking

repeatedly, this is what reporters are saying, asking repeatedly is "the star-spangled banner" will be played tonight. people wonder what that means. brian: will he take a knee? ainsley: we'll see. brian: he want to be talked about. >> wasn't it beto that invited students, took a knee, high school student took a knee. he invited them to the debate. steve: we'll talk to joey jones about that. it will be round two, tonight. we'll have post-game analysis tomorrow morning. meantime jillian joins with us a fox news alert. jillian: let's begin with this story. army specialist michael nance remains arrived at dover air force base overnight. the 24-year-old died in an insider attack in afghanistan. he was deployed two weeks ago. he was killed alongside fellow paratrooper, private first class brandon krisher. the couple was expecting their first child in december.

brandon was so excited to become a dad. their brigade commander writing in a statement, these young men were truly all-americans and embodied the qualities of selfless service and heroes. the heroes from the 82nd airborne division were awarded a purple heart and a bronze star. the pentagon weighing its response as north korea fires new ballistic missiles. that is the rogue regime's second test in a week. they called the first series of launches a solemn warning about south korean and u.s. military drills. the tests come one month sense president trump and kim jong-un mitt at the dmz. a pilot was accused of being drunk before takeoff. he ditched additional tsa screenings at minute flap police airport. he had a bottle of alcohol with him and he failed a sobriety test. the pilot made it on to the plane to san diego before he was taken into custody.

the reds yasiel puig was ejected after a bench clearing brawl after he was traded to a team. >> puig at them. jillian: they were squaring off an argument between the pirates bench and reds pitcher. reports surfacing that before that puig was traded to cleveland. they brawled earlier this year. he was center of that fight. jillian: that is feisty. ainsley: don't like going to sporting events to see a fight? >> i do too. brian: this is the trading deadline. we'll see an array. you might have to stay late to do them throughout the broadcasts. jillian: you can do that, brian. brian: i have to run. i have got word there will be no trades. jillian: we can all go home. ainsley: thanks, jillian. steve: speaking of fights, another democratic debate in the

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steve: the democrat divide on full display as 10 presidential hopefuls made their pitch to voters in the second round of primary debates. ainsley: here to break down the top moments of the night, lee carter. hey, lee. >> hey. ainsley: let's go through some of the sound bites last night. some that stuck out to you, and you asked the folks. you have the dials to show how they thought republicans, democrats, independence. the first one, elizabeth warren respond toes john delaney. watch that. >> i don't understand why anybody goes to all the trouble to run for president of the united states to talk about what we can't do and shouldn't fight for. [cheers and applause] steve: to remind folks, red lines are republicans. yellow line, independents. blue line, independents. republicans did not like that message. >> not at all. democrats gave a b. independents a c. not surprising about the republicans. i thought this was zinger of the

night. they thought it would resonate off the charts. it indicated that she was there to play. a lot of people were reacting to her most of the night. we thought it would be bernie sanders shining. i think it was elizabeth warren. steve: one other person hose whose ears were ringing. the president of the united states. they talked a lot about him and immigration. watch. >> the biggest problem right now that we have with immigration is donald trump. >> what trump is doing through his racism and his xenophobia is demonizing a group of people. >> are senator sanders proposals going to incentivize undocumented immigrants to come into the country illegally? >> yes. and right now if you want to come into the country you should at least ring the doorbell. steve: we saw a number of different voices. how did the dialers rate them? >> overall on immigration, democrats gave it a minus. democrats a c. republican as f. bernie sanders won immigration

but was going off sound bite of democrats, xenophobia, racism of president. it works with democrats. it doesn't work with independents. they will need independents to win the race in a long term. it was interesting to see how ryan's reaction. ryan was among more popular on independents and republicans. that moderate immigration stance is more appealing to more folks. ainsley: moderates were calling out more progressives. here is example of that. >> if we force americans to make radical changes. they will not go along. throw your hands up. >> all right. >> oh, i can do it. but you haven't implemented the plans. governors and mayors, are ones we have to pick up all the pieces where government suddenly take over all the responsiblities. there is no preparation. no details. you can't just spring a plan on the world expect it to succeed. >> this was fascinating right? you could see democrats,

independents, republicans agreed on something. the line was the same. they want to know how all the plans will get done. you're talking about a true progressive plan? is it really possible? people have the question. what i'm seeing in the debate, progressive win the debates. but i think a lot of voters are saying i'm not sure how those plans will happen. steve: the key to the every presidential election are the moderates, independents, you keep an eye on the yellow line. meanwhile climate change a big topic last night. watch the lines. >> climate crisis is the existential crisis for our world. it puts every living thing on this planet at risk. >> we don't have more than 10 years to get it right. >> what do you do with an industry knowingly for billions of dollars of short-term profits is destroying this planet? i say that is criminal activity that cannot be allowed to

continue. >> i didn't say we couldn't get there until 2040, bernie. you don't have to yell. >> america was divided. >> democrat gave this b-plus. independents a c. republicans an f. bernie sanders here is the one to watch on climate change. he is not thinking about climate change. he is thinking about us against corporate greed. he saying that is criminal. democrats are reacting to that. that will be something to watch. how climate change will be framed is how people react. steve: front-runner is joe biden by a lot. almost double the number two person. what does he have to do tonight to stay in the first place? >> he has to become really relevant now. i think reason he is ahead so much he has name recognition. they know who he is, what to expect. if he will be a snore fest. he will start losing ground. people are gaining momentum. elizabeth warren is one to watch. kamala harris. i'm afraid joe biden could be this year's jeb bush. you remember how far ahead he

was in the polls in 2015? ainsley: sources are saying he is ready. he will to the be quiet. >> i hope he is ready. he had a long time to prepare. ainsley: thanks, lee. steve: the democratic divide as we've been speaking on full display last night from immigration to health care. is this a bad sign for the party heading into the election? ainsley: former dnc chairwoman donna brazile on that next. ♪ i say, "i'll go my own way" with anoro. ♪ go your own way once-daily anoro contains two medicines called bronchodilators that work together to significantly improve lung function all day and all night. anoro is not for asthma. it contains a type of medicine that increases risk of death in people with asthma. the risk is unknown in copd.

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centrist, more moderate and i do believe that both elizabeth warren and bernie sanders were able to, let's just say take the heat. steve: you know, go ahead. ainsley: you go ahead. >> i was going to say, to your point it was more like the moderates were taking on the progressives where bernie sanders and elizabeth warren were in the center taking it from both sides. and for people who were watching, it is like, wait a minute. that person just said they're going to take away my health care. i thought democrats would keep my health care. >> that is why we have debates. that is why during a presidential primary season we should hear from all sides of the political equation, whether you are representing progressive wing or the moderate wing. the moderates want to basically build on what we achieved over the last presidential term. and the progressive believe it is time to, it is essentially expose all the fault lines in politics and bring about a new path to success.

what i enjoyed most about the conversation last night we were able to have these debates about big ideas without basically brawling. it was great. by the way, i'm going to bring my smudge stick to the debates tonight in case some dark psychic forces try to get in our way. steve: heard about that last night. >> some of those comments were interesting. people tweeted b you said they didn't talk about race enough. some of our guests said they slammed the president as much as they thought they would. in these kinds of things. i talk to people who prep folks who will be on the debate stage, stick to your talking points, even asked a question, go back to the talking points, those are the winning topics. i thought last night it was really moderators were in control over what the top ibbs were, most of them didn't deviate questions. did you feel that way? >> i did. they are my former colleagues, i have enormous respect for them. here is a question.

you have got 15 seconds. just as they were chewing, all of sudden they say 12. it is tough in that kind of environment to really get the substance out over the superficial. by and large, again, this is a debate about ideas, about future of the country. we don't necessarily have to talk about the president of the united states. what they need to talk aabout is their own vision, where they want to take the country beyond the president's years in office. brian: bernie sanders spoke most of the time, more than anyone else along with elizabeth warren. here is immigration, how he plans on dealing with health care. >> senator sanders, you wanted to provide undocumented immigrants free health care and free college. why won't this drive even more people to come to the u.s. illegally? >> this will have a strong border protections. but the main point i want to make, is that what trump is doing through his racism and his xenophobia is demonizing a group of people.

and as president i will end that demonization. if a mother and a child walk thousands of miles on a dangerous path in my view, they are not criminals. [applause] so what we will do, the first week we are in the white house, is bring the enhemisphere together to talk about how we rebuild honduras, guatemala and el salvador so people do not have to flee their own country. brian: does that sound like a policy america could get behind, if you walk along way you get in, we'll secure the border but we'll not build a wall? is any clear-thinking think that is a practical solution. >> the trump administration now as we speak is trying to work directly with the three countries so we can stop people fleeing violence and poverty and other issues down in central america. so i, i think what senator sanders is saying he is going to lower the rhetoric on those who are fleeing those circumstance, and try to have a strong border policy but as well have a

humanitarian policy to deal with those -- brian: give them health care. and give them health care. rahm emanuel says this. before our party promises health care coverage to undocumented immigrants, a position not even ted kennedy got behind we should worry about the 30 million americans who are single illness away from financial ruin. that is rahm emanuel. he is worried about the i am practice ability of some of these programs. is donna brazile. >> look, i'm worried about the current trajectory we're taking in our country, not just on immigration but on many other important social policies that don't make us stronger in the future but instead will weaken american because we're weakening resolve to fight the problems together. steve: i know, donna, all of the candidates are your friends but looking forward to night, the only thing we heard joe biden says he probably will be less polite. >> you know what? i hope that the vice president has a pep in his step because voters who are looking to

joe biden to lead the democratic party, especially in the democratic, in our party, they want somebody who can take on not just the president but take on many big challenges we face. they want to see a vice president not only tough on the issues, not just on the candidates who is left or right, but tough on issues. joe biden should be focused on making sure the american people see that joe biden, we all know, love, respect. steve: we'll see pep in his step tonight. >> pep in his step, baby. i'm coming to new york next week. i will smudge y'all for the dark psychic force. steve: we'll be upstairs on the couch. >> bye-bye. ainsley: 34 after the top of the hour? did you catch this, time ryan was only one on the stage that didn't put his hand over his heart during the national anthem. brian: joey jones had something to say. he joins us live next. steve: griff jenkins in his third hour of breakfast in

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♪ steve: well after the big debate last night in detroit we decided to send griff jenkins to the area to poll the audience. ainsley: he is at the main street diner. he is in michigan. what is the name of the town?

hamtranick. six miles north of new york. brian: go get them, griff. >> steve for your next recipe, this lemon rise chicken soup is the bomb. it might solve the political divide in america, it is so good. india turned me on to it. what is with the soup. >> i don't know. this is the best soup i have had in all my life. my dad introduced it to me first. then my mom got into it. my cousin got into it. now the soup is the soup of the soup. i love this soup. reporter: i asked the owner nick, we talked in the last hour, if i could have the recipe. a secret family recipe from decades ago. now the debates, we were talk about, what did you take. >> i turned off first ten minutes i watched it. reporter: turned it off. >> turned it off. new show came on.

you're a political science major at wayne state yet you were turned off. >> it was sort of like kids arguing. it didn't catch my attention at all. it it just, it is not for the younger generation to catch on. the people at that you want is the younger generation. so you can build a future generation. but you can't get the younger generation attention, what is the use? like, you just capturing people that are getting, i wouldn't say played out, not the target you're trying to target. reporter: what caught my attention was this lemon rice chicken soup. india, thank you. i will take you guys over here. carol is michiganer. what did you think of the debates? >> i caught parts off and on. i thought delaney made the most sense as far as, the rest of the crowd. like i said before this is the end of beto. we've seen beto at some dentist

appointments. his, what do you call that skateboarding skills and his yoga skills. reporter: doing push-ups in the airport. >> yes. reporter: when it came to the discussion whether it was "medicare for all," health care or immigration or any of the other stuff was there something that stood out to you? >> there is no such thing as a free lunch and no, if that, if that what the party is going to go on is the free stuff, open borders and the name-calling of president trump they're not going, they're not going to go places. reporter: carol, thanks very much. that is what we have happening here at the main street restaurant. i'm still going to get the recipe for you. steve: looks delicious. ainsley: thank you, griff. soup for breakfast. steve: okay with me. ainsley: me too. during last night's democratic debate, some 2020 candidates including veteran pete buttigieg vowed to pull out all troops

from afghanistan early in their presidency. listen. >> will you withdrawal all u.s. servicemembers by the end of your first year in office? >> we will withdraw. we have to. >> in your first year? >> yes. i would in my first term in office. time to bring servicemembers back home from afghanistan. brian: my next guest says they're pandering to voters. they should explain how they will keep us safe. steve: making debut as a fox news contributor as of this wednesday morning, retired lieutenant joey jones, retired bomb tech. welcome to the family. >> guys, thank you very much. steve: on the first day, we gave you the assignment, watch the debate. what do you make of those two talking about pull our troops out. >> i think jake did a great job as a moderator. i'm glad the question came up. i can't honestly ask the question, without following up what will you do differently, what will you do to keep us safe

from threats in places like afghanistan? it is not simply enough in 2019 or 2020 to pull troops out. we had three administrations in a row, somehow say end the war, have ended war, pull troops out. troops are still in afghanistan. contingencies are all over the middle east. because there is a threat there. we can have a debate how to best overcome the threat, best monitor it, best keep it off our shores. to simply stand up to say we'll pull all troops out of afghanistan, three predecessors agreed with you when they were on the stage. if you don't take time to understand why they don't agree with i now they become president. your promise to pull them out is empty. anytime a candidate says something along the terms i will probably do this, or i'm going to do that, it is just an empty promise. it is not based on fact. it is based on trying to achieve votes. ainsley: tim ryan was the only candidate at the beginning of the debate when they played "the

star-spangled banner" did not put his hand over his heart. ari fisher said he was appealing to the kaepernick wing. meghan mccain said put your hand over your heart, tim ryan. what do you think? >> if you live in the culture liberals and progressives created, it is almost faux pas to observe the anthem and observe our flag. it makes sense you might put something like honoring the ceremony that observes our freedom in a low priority, all of sudden forget to do it at all. he probably got nervous, which is not nervous in my presidential respect either. the big thing about it, you had to know the guy's name to call him out. most people didn't know his name. that is one way to stand out among 20 other candidates. unfortunately not the right way. probably he got nervous. brian: here he said to the reporter i love this country as much as anybody else. doesn't explain why he didn't put his happened on his heart. i don't know if it was intentional or not. on the pullout from afghanistan

in particular, is the president's proposed pullout, where the peace talks are going, does that get you nervous? >> no. because at least i understand the thought process here. if afghanistan can find some sort of peace, they guaranties us, we won't have a threat like al qaeda or the taliban or isis coming from it, we're a part of that negotiation and it's a part of our strategy. standing on a debate stage with no access to any of that information, or understanding of that strategy, promising to blindly pull troops out is not a strategy. i didn't like it when republicans talked about it in 2016. i don't like it in 2020 when democrats do it for no other reason than to win votes. with the white house we hear there is a strategy. afghanistan wants to do peace talks with the taliban. this is how they're going to do it. doesn't mean i like it necessarily, at least i understand it. unlike the 2020 democrats who are simply trying to add something new to bring to the table for the sake of newness. steve: at the debate last night

were three student from high school, i think in lansing, michigan, who i believe took a knee as an homage to colin kaepernick. they were the guests of beto o'rourke. what did you think about that? >> look i have no problem with beto deciding who he is going to bring to his debate. i have no problem with the students. they're high schoolkids. they're not adults yet. they're on their way. they're easily impressionable. they were inspired by colin kaepernick in a way i just don't understand. what is more important to me, if you're polling at zero percent, living in the state of texas as liberal, you can't even win a senate seat there, if you're not doing well with the american people, perhaps something that isn't inherently divisive to adhere yourself to. zero percent you can go up and out. maybe this is a last shot across the bow. i'm not sure. colin kaepernick showed us last month exactly what his protests were about. it wasn't about policing. it was about a disdain for this country and its history the way we overcome it. we're not quite up to snuff for

him. if you're going to adhere yourself to that kind of message, good luck. you will not win the nomination. you will certainly not win the presidency. ainsley: joey, thanks very much for being with us. we're glad you're in the fox family and a fox news contributor. no one deserves it more than you. you sacrificed a lot for our country. brian: jillian you have the other nice. jillian: we'll give you an update on a story we're following out of new york, a new water attack on the nypd. this is is unbelievable, right. shocking video shows a man spraying war bottle on traffickers as he reports the whole thing on his phone. several videos surfaced people drenching cops with water. lawmakers pushing people to make attacks felonies. a driver jims out of a moving car after watching a chain-reaction crash. he has no time for the door. he is climbing through the sunroof after slamming into a

stopped car. the car is still moving by the way. he reaches in to grab something before running away. not even a lot of flip-flop can stop him. this guy is on the move. police eventually caught up to him to give him a kickket. after all that he drove his car away. passengers on a southwest flight surprised to find extra baggage in the overhead bin. a woman flying from nashville, to philly, catching the flight attendant, relaxing in a storage space. the stewardess stayed there for ten minutes. southwest tells fox news their employees are known for a sense of humor. steve: true. jillian: that the flight attendant was having fun. i find that in the interesting category. steve: i don't think i could fit up there. but they do have a lot of fun. ainsley: i have been on that airline. thank you. brian: something you haven't seen in philadelphia, jillian, the next segment what made

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rather create more chaos than rather than govern this country. when it comes to decriminalization, border crossings at the border it would inly enable more chaos and lawlessness. enable more cartels to take advantage of vulnerable families, children and women through human trafficking sex trafficking, neverthelessdon't a right now. i think that something the american people care at this point. brian: so fascinating to talk to you. your mom brought you here at one. by the age of three you were homeless. you had non-profit groups help you out. now you sit here as a graduate with two degrees. you're a daca recipient but you still want to know for sure your status. that is what other people want. they might look at you, saying why can't i have what you have? >> right now that is the problem, the issue right now is, this, our laws and our

immigration system is broken. it has been broken for 20 years. it is the reason why i'm here today, i don't know what my future looks like. so i'm asking congress to work with this president to solve the issues of border security, what is going on with the border security crisis. let's solve daca. let's solve legal migration. what can we do to bring maybe a guest worker visa program but something needs to happen. president trump is trying to bring the rule of law back in order. so i'm asking democrats to work with this president. there is consensus to fix this issue right now. brian: can't thank you you have. thanks for your story and your situation will be front and center with whoever who is the next president. sadly i don't see anything else getting done. thank you very much. >> god bless you. brian: "fox & friends" continues in the a moment. bless you as well. i'll take aleve.

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and we'll do the same thing tonight. >> watch fox and we'll tell you what you missed. >> we'll take control from the diner or you can watch the radio show. your choice. >> bill: we'll be there. thanks. good morning, everybody. new reaction expect fred the trump team. north korea conducting a second weapons test in a week's time and a lot of concern. i'm bill hemmer live in new york city. >> sandra: good wednesday morning. i'm sandra smith. good morning. south korea confirming the north fired two short range ballistic missiles off its east coast. this would be the second missile test in a week and it follows president trump's meeting with kim jong-un at the dmz just last month. >> bill: it brings us to senior foreign affairs correspondent greg palkot. what do we have? >> we're back at this again, bill. in fact, yes,