a shooter is fatalities, terrible put out deaf want messages -- shootings in el paso, reports are very bad and effectively, so, you want to see heros, it's deviant messages so it's just many killed, working with state and local about impossible for law those cops going in there knowing that maybe authorities, total enforcement officers, even if jillian: it is some of them won't come support of federal you told them something, to run 4:00 o'clock on the east out but they are going government, god be with down each and every one of these coast, 2:00 o'clock in in there putting their el paso, texas, this is lives on the line like you all. where we have been individuals. so we always say when you see following breaking news they did in el paso and that's one of the more right now, i'm jillian interesting parts that's going to come out of something or hear something, say thank god all mighty this learning what the mele along rob schmitt, they were able to motive was behind this something. because so often you you're looking at a map prevent more fatalities. don't get to find out but nobody can envision even right now and you see much of what somebody right there the field of could be thinking when people on these social media mall and wal-mart, this jillian: we've undergone they submit such a horrible crime and at is the location of a active shooter drills in mass shooting, we are only 21 year's old, sites, someone going into a told by police that one our place of business, various locations, maybe howdies tushed that person must be. walmart or on a day like this schools and hospitals, person is in custody, jillian: let's give you and doing what this alleged this do we need more of that? multiple injuries, we do one person was alleged to have not know the number of the confirmed fatalities or injuries information that we done. it's just about impossible to at this point. >> yeah, i do and also as we were speaking earlier, i was once told have. monitor those social media sites what we do know from eyewitnesses, this some of the safest medical center, this is started outside of the places in the country information that was confirmed by the to that degree. are casinos, why they hospital that they had 11 victims, 9 were rob: ted, you talked about the have cameras all over critical but stable wal-mart. rob: right, started the place, they have outside the wal-mart, enough security, maybe condition, 2 were in amount of information that we young man wearing a at some point this is stable condition there, could get from having the black shirt and cargo what we have to do in the ages of the victims that they received were suspect in this case pants holding what large establishments looked like a rifle, like malls, increase 35 to 82 area's -- 82 what will we learn about just lieutenant governor says the general disposition of it's a 21-year-old man visible security, more in custody for this cameras, and, again, we shooting, witnesses say people that can do something he opened fire on people do have citizen police years old. like this. walking out of wal-mart, i'm still fascinated that academies around the country now, maybe we walking into the parking have to add citizen we got the information confirmed a few minutes someone could do something like ago, they said they are

reporting that they have this and want to live through lot and moved inside, 17 police academy training, received 13 victims, one it, that he wants to go through what do i do if i'm in a all of this that's coming for people have been has died there and those transported to various situation where there is him. hospitals in the el paso an active shooter, all ages range from 2 year's >> i'm sure the fbi is on the lessons learned as we scene and they're doing a area, we know there are old to seniors. move forward. psychological profile of this number of fatalities that we don't have a rob: yeah, we talked individual, perhaps they're number at this time, earlier about the fact police, of course, still that this young man is you know, you hear about 2 year's old, that tugs working active scene, 21-year-old suspected that is, your heart strings. already records out there of the threat to the public at this time has been some possible mental illness or does that tell you rob: terrible, we talked some belief or some organization anything about the to a doctor talking contained, there's no suspect in this case? about what this type of that he belongs to. more threat to the weapon does to the body, so they are checking all of public but still obviously doing work out those things. if you get shot with one of the things, rob and there to get people out >> i will tell you what of there, evacuate, it's it tells me, the superb job that the police did, ak57 or ar15 versus a big mall, sam's club, i mean, they could have jillian, i think is crucial in had a negotiator in this is that we now have a there, they could have pistol, it does do shopping center, we will tremendous amount of go to live to el paso somehow talked him down, damage, so it's very massive crime scene. obviously at this point the guy didn't want to gruesome what happens in but the videotape, there's mass shootings and what die, most of them go the hospitals dealing there today i'm sure videotape that they are down quote, unquote in scrubbing right now that is blaze of glory, but i will change the lives of people who work in those going to give law enforcement believe we will find out hospitals having to work garrett tenney, can you that the police did a on all the victims. officers a treasure trove of superb to keep this guy jillian: change the tell us. lives of the community, information as per their it's going to change the alive in order to get more information from shape of the community as they know it now. investigation. >> one man told me that he could never imagine gillian: hey, ted, police in el the horrible things he paso tweeted out about a half him. as time goes on, let's rob: this is not a big saw inside. see what comes around, i tell you off my hats off hour ago that -- this is a city, 900,000 people, a quote, blood donations -- excuse that man, he had just again to what the police lot of the people that pulled into the parking did to get this live in el paso will be lot with his mother when individual alive. connected to the me, blood needed urgently, they got out of the car, shooting somehow or started to walk up to another, through friends the wal-mart when they jillian: yeah, absolutely, from all and family, that's the multiple injured transported to accounts seems like law enforcement in el paso did an incredible job, really sad part, it will various hospitals. heard gunman open fire impact just about they gave the addresses of

out in the parking lot, you heard stories from donation centers for blood in eyewitnesses, steve, everybody. started shooting around people being in the >> that community and beyond because one of the area. at people, grabbed his wal-mart store and -- our guests i believe it was the attorney general when you see a police department mother, rushed back into and, you know, one we were talking to, just tweet that blood is needed the car and they wanted about 20 minutes ago, eyewitness said there were maybe 100, 200 one of our guests had to leave the parking lot said, in addition to urgently, what does that tell people rushed to the folks from el paso who you about injuries sustained in back and hiding back this? but gunman was blocking there and you've got would be going to >> that the injuries in and of the only way they had people trying to help each other, you hear wal-mart on typical saturday morning, some themselves could very well be out, so drove as fast as stories of terror and of the neighboring communities, he tremendous and that -- and as we i could to back of the absolute horror in these mentioned one to have parking lot, parked situations but then you neighboring towns in the know, we have not been told how there and we sat down in also end up hearing the many have actually died at this stories of survival and area. the car, hunkered down rob: juárez. how people help one scene. but it's not the individuals who until we heard shots were over because when >> that's where people from all over go to run another and true goodness that's in the errands. that was done, he got community of -- of out of the car started rob: people from across have now are no longer here that to run up and help as neighbor helping méxico from juárez to do many people as he could they're concerned about. there is a mass need for blood neighbor. >> yes, the american there. when i got here on the people rise to some of shopping. there's a number of scene, i was right by the initial triage area the most tragic democratic candidates who are all in las vegas there, for the various victims where the victims had incidents to help each today, i believe 18 of other and i'm sure that them are there and on that scene at that walmart if there were people there's been some been taken and you could bleeding, we haven't reaction to what has heard it, other people happened including from and that is the reason that beto o'rourke who is an tell how active scene trying to stop the they're asking for the public's was initially and el paso, texas native, assistance. rob: ted williams, thank you so chaotic scene it was bleeding, people come together in tragedies, much for your time. my hats off to the we do appreciate it, as always. because there was -- at people that were there, claudia. we're expecting an update from i'm sure we will hear a >> that's right, rob, he has been hearing from police here, el paso police, in lot of heroic stories many candidates at the union forum taking place that point, a lot of the moving forward. today in las vegas, we about 10 minutes now. victims had been taken heard from some of the to local hospitals, at press conference there, likely let's pray for our country, pray for police big-name candidates, joe in the parking lot of that biden, elizabeth warren, walmart. in the meantime, let's get you bernie sanders, but it least 16 were taken to was beto o'rourke who caught up on what we've seen local hospitals, 15 to got the most attention and people in this when he spoke to happen today.

20 people shot, the place. reporters after hearing around 11:15 local time in el rob: thank you so much. these reports of the paso, a 21-year-old man we will go back to mass shooting coming out according to police opened fire stories we are hearing garrett tenne who has of las -- coming out of when the gunman moved been outside the at the entrance to a walmart and wal-mart with people who will then walked in and continued shooting. into wal-mart horrific witnessed crime and el paso i should say, if not more so, we heard garrett has had we have 23 people rushed to the emotional stories he's the former texas hospital who are still alive. from one woman who said had to listen to today, congressman is from el garrett, are you with paso and has called it one dying at the hospital. she rushed inside after one of the safest cities 24 were taken to the hospital. she heard these gunshots us? in america, he heard gillian: the victims have been and when she got in about the mass shooting just moments before transported to two different there initially there was a woman right on the >> yeah, rob, i'm with taking the stage here and afterwards choking medical centers in the area. floor when she walked in you, you can hear the back tears, he conveyed del sol is dealing with 11 who had been shot in the leg who helicopters overhead and we actually just had the what he had been told by county swat team, they the city's mayor and just came up this hill upholding on her hand yelling for help, asking from the wal-mart, a victims. ages range from 35 to 82. where is my son, my son, sheriff. couple of hours ago i the university medical center of saw them rushing down >> we know that it's a this hill before el paso has 13 victims they apparently she had just walked into wal-mart and lot of injury, a lot of all-clear was given at received. the wal-mart and they one has succumbed to their when the shooting broke suffering in el paso were coming down to the injuries. that's what we're told from the out separated from her front of the wal-mart right now, i'm medical center. son who ran and started ages range from 2 to senior. hiding when all of this with rams, now you can rob: police say there is no incredibly saddened and very hard to think about happened. she couldn't find him, imminent threat at this time. you could only imagine the scene has at least been what she was feeling in see them leaving, as that moment, she's lying secured, although it is still an there on the ground police said, they active scene. the investigation of course will unable to get up and this. continue for some time a and as walk and search for him currently believe >> senator cory booker also came out swinging we said, if you want to help, if there's one suspect, one against the nra, listen herself. to what he had to say. you're in the el paso area and shooter involved and that he is in custody, the other man that i this is as disturbing to you as spoke to, the young man there's no imminent probably in late 20's, threat to the community >> i have had enough of this, especially living it is to the rest of us, you can at this time, they in a community where early 30's and he was

believe, right now at gunshots are all too go and donate blood. just sobbing on an older this point it's an in the meantime, we are investigation to pick up regular, we have to -- man's shoulder, father, the details of exactly in this election we have expecting a news conference in how things played out the next 10 minutes and we'll be to have leaders who are right back. grandfather and i went here around 11:00 a.m. willing to stand up and my experience with usaa and asked him if he's local time this morning, say i'm not going to let all right, did you know what we do know based on this issue be did i someone inside who was shot and he looked at me what witnesses have told remembered by what the us is that the shooter interest of the has been excellent. and tiers -- tears corporate gun lobby are they really appreciate the military family pulled up outside this wal-mart and started and it really shows. and -- and the nra. with all that usaa offers shooting in the parking coming down the cheeks lot and worked his way why go with anybody else? and he said, my mom, my we know their rates are good, inside the wal-mart and we know that they're mom is dead and he told over the course of 20 always going to take care of us. >> other candidates are it was an instant savings and me how his mom, he minutes worked his way taking to twitter i should have changed a long time ago. from the front of the dropped her off and gone store, closer towards expressing their condolences saying it was funny because when we would call current policies are another insurance company, to park and after he the back of the store failing americans and that gun control is parked he got out of the and at that point that hey would say "oh we can't beat usaa" car he heard the is where the last needed now. gunshots were heard, we're the webber family. gunshots break out and rob, one more note about we're the tenney's when the gunman moved again, we have no beto o'rourke, he has canceled his upcoming we're the hayles, inside he ran inside the clarification at this and we're usaa members for life. campaign events over the store and when he walked point if he shot himself next few days and he's ♪ on a plane right now get your usaa auto insurance quote today. or voluntarily gave up, heading back to his in he described the hometown of el paso. exactly how it came to scene of just bodies be that he's in custody, rob: he's going to go what we do know from the home. claudia, thank you so laying everywhere, blood lieutenant governor that much, we appreciate it. all over the floor, he there are 14, 15 people jillian: we have new information coming in who were shot in this from the el paso police department, they just tweeted in the last 5 minutes and this is a case, no word yet on how quote, blood needed got choked up and he many were killed, but we urgently, multiple said, my mom is dead. know about a dozen have injured, transported to various hospitals, blood ♪ been taken to local my mom washes the dishes... so you can only imagine donation centers, blood ...before she puts them in the dishwasher. hospital and the services and two in a city like this, the hospital says they are so what does the dishwasher do? expecting more victims addresses, 424 south

from wal-mart to be lieu taken over there as hills and 133 north cascade platinum does the work for you, saragosa, if you are in prewashing and removing stuck-on foods, america, we have seen well. we will be getting an the area, police are update from them in a few hours from now as saying they need blood the first time. such enormous law enforcement presence out wow, that's clean! here, state and local and they need blood trauma team treat police, you have the fbi, you also have patients, another update urgently. rob: 23 victims taken to customs and border hospital, nine of those agents that are out heress thanm critical and with from police in the next gunshot wound, there's a hour or two, still trying to get all facts lot of blood loss, if and all of the information together as you are in el paso and the u.s. southern want to help, a lot of well but usually around times you see this, you this point when you're get so angry, that's about 4 or 5 hours post right now on saturday a scene like this or an what you can do, give afternoon, one witness we spoke to said she was incident like this, blood and hopefully you at the back of the store that's when you start to can help somebody's life get a better grasp on that was injured today. exactly what took place so we hope to get some >> jact someone who you spoke to her and she and of the details next, thought was at the mall or at the wal-mart or at the sam's club in the rob. area, polo reunification her husband were there jillian: garrett tenney, thank you very much, we will get have more figuring out what to center for families and ♪ how do you like it, buy, he said everyone information. that is the mcarthur ♪ how do you like it ♪ was running to the back we do have more ♪ more, more, more of the store and information coming in right now about some of middle school, so if wal-mart employees were the victims and some of the medical centers that they've been taken to, you're trying to get in ♪ how do you like it, how do you like it ♪ directing them to get touch with somebody, that's where police are into the back area, let's go with jacqui directing you to go, the all you can eat is back. storage, once they got heinrich who is following the how do you like that? back there they were put mcarthur middle school. applebee's. development. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood. in the big crate that rob: yeah, just two >> jillian, we heard from medical center, recap one person in they're confirming 11 victims were taken to the hospital, 9 of them custody today, shooter carrying a rifle carry on 18 wheelers, on are in critical but according to police and there's the information

trains made out of stable conditions, 2 are if you want to donate in stable condition and the ages of those metal, the safest place blood, woe -- we can to be right now and she victims range from 35 to said she was back there stick it up on the screen, but witnesses with at least 100 people 82 year's old, we know also that some other if not 200 people and victims were taken to telling fox news that a they were back there for university medical center, we are waiting maybe 20 or so minutes confirmation from them man carrying rifle, and at that point, on the status of those ak47, walking into patients and how many people started to get were taken there, but hot and they came out of wal-mart in there and started to go that information just in back to the doors and from medical center on 11:15 opening fire as people walked out on actual store and heard 11 victims and that goes busy saturday morning the gunshots break out -- speaks to what we had and entering the store again closer than and continuing to open before, the gunman over heard earlier about the fire and according to 15 to 20 casualties, those 20 minutes had garrett tenney, the man, moved from the front of the store towards the that 11 right there, back of the store. these are all folks who 21-year-old man in custody had about 20 she said about another are alive but dealing minutes to fire on 10 minutes later, it's when they were told they people inside of that could leave, they left with various levels of injury right now, so we wal-mart which is a long through backside door, are still awaiting the time to be shooting an they did not see the, they did e ak47 in a crowded store. remaining information on the other scene, carnage who was taken to he left behind, we don't university medical jillian: yeah. center in el paso, >> led to evacuation and have any more details in trying to confirm information on how many huge scene there on the east side of el paso, terms of exactly what were taken to there, i texas. do have numbers but i don't want to put it out >> the sam's club, triage area for victims stopped this, why it was until we absolutely know to go, tere- we safe for them to leave for sure what we are at that point, if he was saw video, a ton of shot and killed or if he people, seemed like a dealing with there. is now being treated for chaotic scene.

his injuries, we do know two stable, ages, 35 to that at least one 82 and that's one eyewitnesses and the one suspect is in custody, hospital where victims that really got to but it is still very were taken after the everybody, people much an active scene shooting. tweeting things when i here, right here by where we are. jillian and rob. heard that, i was crying in my home watching tv, a young man crying and our location, they have jillian: jacqui heinrich thank you very much for he was holding an older a mass casualty response the update. ambulance. rob: yeah, let's do just a quick update on what's happening here, it's been about 3 hours and gentleman and garrett enormous bus that they said, are you okay, and have for specific type 15 minutes since this the young man said my mom is dead and he saw all occurred or this all of situations. started, this is a bodies, he said he saw wal-mart, you're seeing lots of blood, we heard a lot of the other folks the parking lot of a that we talked that were wal-mart in el paso, jillian: we are continuing to texas, where a gunman from another eyewitness follow this coverage of a mass who said she was pulling shooting in el paso, texas. next door at sam's club carrying a rifle according to witnesses up in the parking and this happened 11:00 a.m. local she saw a woman full of time there at the walmart in a began opening fire right played out huge near the entrance of the initially, people were wal-mart, shooting groceries and in a split scared to leave, people people as they came out could have gotten in of the store and then second i is that woman shopping complex. their cars and gone fall to the ground and that's where we're told the walking inside to they heard the shots. shooting started, just a few elsewhere, a couple of people i talked to said continue, continue firing off what we hours ago. we are told there are 24 they didn't want to leave because at that believe -- what we believe to be a point there were initial rob: when garrett got victims, one that we know there seemed like he talked to a lot of confirmed from one of the local reports of shooting here semiautomatic weapon, people that watched this hospitals has died there. at wal-mart as well as we are awaiting a police press at the mall which is on but we don't have that go down, had to hide the other side of the confirmed at this time. from this, this is going to have a nasty impact conference any moment. on a lot of people that as soon as that moments, we'll store, you have the had to see this or are take you to that. we've heard multiple reports from seeing in the meantime, let's bring in mall, wal-mart and sum's going on -- to be impacted mary ellen o'toole, a refired club in -- sam's club in shot, the gunman by this. according to police is in custody, at least one at this point we don't have an official number fbi profiler. a line. person in custody, we on fatalities from the we'll get back to you. let's take a listen to this have heard that there scene, we do know it's

she said i was scared to leave to go anywhere. were others potentially in custody but that's press conference. i'm waiting here until not the story we are multiple, we have 23 in >> we confirmed earlier we do hearing from police at we figure what is this point and the scene el paso area, 9 of which have one person in custody, it happening and it's safe is still active there in is a white male in his 20s. for me to go to my el paso at the wal-mart are in critical i don't have any other family. parking lot but we can condition and the city information on that. other people that were there in the back of tell you that there is of el paso is asking for wal-mart were on the phone with their family members desperately no current threat to the help donating blood. trying to reach them to city of el paso let them know they were according to police. it will be released at a later okay, others calling jillian: let's bring in garrett, executive time. the estimates of the shoppers at them to tell them do not >> yeah, in that press director of public safety at sacred heart come down here, it is conference that police the walmart were between 1 and not safe, i will let you gave just an hour ago, that was their last one, know when i'm out of they did say what you're university, former police chief in 3,000 with 100 employees present. here. referencing, rob, connecticut. it is back-to-school. a lot of the folks really left wondering if reports that a rifle was the walmart was at capacity when this is going to be the used but they they say when you hear police reaching out to the end, they were saying community needing blood weren't able to confirm urgently it rattles you the shootings their final good-byes the information and we to your core. will get information on when they had come out that and pass it along when we do get it, >> yeah, it does. to the store to get food and whatever they needed you all talked about it for a party this earlier about the type of weapon, this weapon we have secured the mall. police reiterated that does such damage to the we don't feel there is a threat weekend, family it's fluid and information can change to the public or there are any t and that's what you see get-together, dinner or the week ahead. internal body parts that with things such as you really have a lot of victims, number of victims, types of bleeding, so the mere victims, that fact that they're conference, we are transitioning this is the type of information is all stuff sending that message out thing that changes communities, far too indicates that there's a into the criminal investigation common of a story across we will give you once we lot of injuries, get that confirmed, we thankfully it appears side. we still have the area locked our country that even down and we have started our now when you talk to that they are doing a lot of work on them, but these people they say it criminal investigation to find that's sending the is still the type of interviewed a woman by message that they'll be out exactly what took place. thing you never expect multiple injuries with name of vanessa heinz, this type of a shooting. i can confirm, there have been to happen here, to you fatalities. it's tragic. i cannot confirm how many. she was in the car with there have been injuries. rob: it is tragic. in your -- jillian: gary, chief of police in there were several injuries.

mother and 1-year-old fairfield, connecticut, i don't have those numbers right sounds like we are having interference son, she saw a woman what's the first issues with garrett, question you ask? he's joining us live fall to the ground and from the cell phone right now from that they heard the shots and now. they didn't know what it location, so we will try was initially, when they >> well, i mean, first question i ask is how and get him back in a did he get in, obviously couple of minutes. knew what was happening we take a lot of steps she said you she tried in law enforcement we can't count anyone that in the meantime let's bring in gary, executive learned from each event transported themselves. director of public to get out of the our numbers will be a little safety, at sacred heart parking but the only way and i want to know why. delayed. once we have that information, to get out of the we will make it available to you all. university and former direction of the these are feeding on i would like to reiterate that shooter, they couldn't each other, people are hearing about these chief of connecticut. get out at the moment. events and then they are anybody that got separated from taking action and they are continuing to take sir, it's under the rob: some of the stories have been really action, so you know, it their family during this mcarthr circumstances that we hate to chat but we want terrible. feeds this -- this to know your opinion on it makes you so angry when you hear the narrative for some sick elementary school to possibly what's going on out stories and it is so sad gain information or be reunified and they continue to individuals that are there because seems that come through and garrett doing this and i'm has been there for a obviously going to ask with loved once that got nowhere is safe anymore? couple of hours and at the question of why, why would you do such a separated. >> yeah, listen to what thing, why -- why, you that's pretty much all we have we are hearing, a typical day, you are at least one person who lost a family member to at this time. later in the day, as we become this, so we will know, that's really a wal-mart, shopping, in continue to do some important. reporting there in el more concrete on what the we don't have a lot of opportunity to interview information we have, we will paso and in the meantime some of these individuals, all we can an instant it all we will go to peter who do is do post post post have another press conference changes, you hear chaos, is a member of the el with our city leaders at the description, what's paso city council and he emergency operation center on going on, what's being joined us now on the seen and that only adds threadgil. to that chaos, people we will announce that on twitter phone. peter, thank you for joining us, i just want are calling family to start off by asking you, what have you so everybody, our local and members, calling 911, heard, what's the latest national media, will be aware of that you have learn from him so we can make it better to put it law enforcement will get information on? to an end. that. that time toys be determined that information and it will be a lot of >> well, thank you for because -- time is to be information, some of it having me. >> yeah, i guess you determined because the correct and some also want to know, you tell me has the person investigation is ongoing. you know, what we are hearing is that, you that's about all the information inaccurate based on what know, a man that was been surveilling the area, what type of i have right now.

people are seeing and but i will take any questions. there's the massive information can you get >> where was the shooter apprehended, police approach to the area to reports carrying an from going forward? apprehended. >> i don't have the location of try and address the one where the shooter was thing and the first thing we will try to do >> yeah, we will want to know a couple of things, apprehended. that information i don't have. ak47. we heard of multiple we want to know if it >> was it in walmart or out of is to eliminate the fatalities, i don't think the number has yet was planned or unplanned because it makes a big walmart. threat and in common >> i don't know if it's inside times we will see that been confirmed, but, you difference, in other or outside. i don't have the location. people will say i saw a words, did this know, we are strong and individual drive down the street or lose it >> do you have information if he shooter here and i may have seen a shooter we are proud and we are for some reason and take was from out-of-town. this type of action or >> i have no information where there, there are times very compassionate was it planned, if it's where in fact, there may he's from. planned obviously planned to get the most >> can you confirm that 10 be two shooters, this community, the wal-mart picture being painted is that they're talking people died and 30 people were one of complete chaos in about on a saturday fatalities and that will injured. >> i don't have the numbers. morning, a couple of go through motive and i know some people have died and a mall, area that most weeks before back to the reasoning behind it. some were injured. people aren't familiar >> can you confirm the gunman with, they go shopping school was shoppers from we want to learn a lot but they don't know about what brought him to that location, you where to go in an know, you look at it, issued a manifesto online before emergency and law el paso but also sister did he have a gripe with enforcement coming in to the shooting. eliminate the threat and a girlfriend that worked i don't have any information with the mall, did he on that. >> can you confirm there is only at the same time ems and have argument with the the fire department is say ciudad juárez. store, did not return one shooter. >> we have one person in responding to try to get custody. we believe he's the sole when it's safe to an something, some of the basic things we might area that they can get want to ask and maybe those injured people out we are very fortunate to shooter. that there may be a that could change. we did have multiple reports of of the area and as quick simple thing that set as possible to the have culture, but make this off but often times no mistake it would have multiple shootings. been a very busy and we look people we are sorting that out. hospital. so there's so much going identifying targets to at this time, we only have one on in that scene and it person in custody. active place on as many people as but the investigation is ongoing. goes from peacefullness, beautiful, hot sunday >> is there any search still morning in el paso. possible. quiet, can we get sales rob: former chief of police, gary, thank you ongoing for possible other so much, to quickly suspects. recap one person in >> we have cleared the malaria what are we doing in the >> peter, describe this community for us if you custody, no further weekend and chaos down can. threat to the community

in el paso, texas after for victims and -- mall area there at the scene. >> so el paso is the capital of the border, gunman opens fires just for victims and suspects. 4 hours ago at wal-mart >> the size, the scale of what they have to there, we will be right we secured walmart. deal with right now, i el paso, we have a back with continuing we know that area is secure of can only imagine million and a half in logistically it must be suspects. a nightmare, sam's club, we're tending to the victims. nonstop coverage of the the areas are still being ciudad juárez, we share shooting, stay tune. wal-mart and shopping same desert valley mall all in essentially secured. they will not be released a as the same property. floor, same economy and of yet. you've got two massive culture and, you know, we find those areas are secure big-box stores and shopping mall as well at the moment. and you've got all the we are completely conflicting reports intertwined, so our >> [ indiscernible ] coming in and that leads >> the reports are that most of to a lot of the chaos community -- we are very the victims we believe are from connected to each other that -- that we saw and walmart but i can't 100% confirm and community that's even from police we hear that right now. >> were there any mexican a different story than we hear from the mayor very compassionate. nationals who were -- >> i don't have the demographics of el paso and this has jillian: sounds like we to be one of the are having -- of anybody that was injured or . . . your home and auto killed. toughest things and to >> ongoing migrant issue >> can you clarify the number secure an area like and other situations as this, to know that well. when you bundle with us. you've got the shooter, dead, one or more than one. >> i don't have that there's not more than this community is hurting and this one shooter, think about community is shocked because we have been one information. how big of a space this to have safest cities in >> you know there's at least is to make sure that one. >> i know there's a fatality, so there's nobody hanging out with a gun? the united states for that would be one, yes. the past 5, 10 years, >> there's been a call for blood donation. can you tell us more about that. >> well, that's the key, so we train to go to the regularly fbi making shots, we want people to >> the red cross is on scene. sure el paso is the give us quick safest communities right i don't have that information. along new york city and i would assume that with mass information, where is other cities above the shooter and we go to cascasualties that blood will bn the shooter and one that 500,000 people, so this is a shocking experience area is defined, to see and really affects both sides of

hopefully we can contain the border. demand. >> you said the suspect was that and everything else fall into place but we rob: peter, as a white. white, not hispanic? councilman for the city of el paso, you are are also thinking, are tasked with a big job >> what i have is a white male. secondaryr shooters, is here, you to try and >> in his 20s. pull your city out of >> in his 20s. device, something else that we should be aware the function that this -- >> the emergency notification of and it be went out. do you believe there is a threat funk that this is going to leave, how do you do to the city and the county. >> as of right now, we don't disinformation from different people because they are hearing only that? believe there's a threat but we certain pieces of it at >> i think that this community is one that are continuing the has time and time a time when you want to stepped up to the plate investigation. >> police officials said there get information out, were two male suspects. sometimes we want to get in compassion and in information out quick can you confirm that. and we want that strength and i think >> we have one detained at this information to be accurate, and sometimes that the heart that we time. it might be accurate and have here, the soul and >> [ indiscernible ] sometimes you will find out later, hey, there >> is there any motive. was another shooter but the spirit as proud border community is one we had to check the that's going to allow us area, so people are >> we are investigating the buried right now within motive. we don't have that at this time. to breathe these and say >> how prepared are you for this different areas of the mall that law that never again should kind of incident in el paso most enforcement after its there be this kind of calm and contained will violence here. of the time. now have to go door to >> as far as the police it's not acceptable for department, the federal agency, any city in texas, it's door under shelfs checking for people that not acceptable for any law enforcement, state and city in the united local, we train for these type are states and shouldn't be acceptable for any city in the world to have of scenarios. no one can be 100% prepared for this senseless gun violence in any community and so i know things that happen. we had a coordinated effort petrified, a lot of that we are going to chaos in the scene. take this seriously.- our today. i don't think there is any agency in the country that's prepared for something like this >> we heard stories from police department and but we do prepare for it and do other governmental

garrett, stories of agencies in el paso really stepped up to our best to make sure these cheer terror and horror, secure the area, too things that you can't situations are handled the best imagine going through in keep our communities as possible. your community, we heard safe as they have for >> in terms of the weapon, we from a couple of the last couple of years and i know that we are different eyewitnesses through garrett's going to respond as a heard reports from city council reporting that people members it was an ak-47. tried to exit the community full of love, >> i don't have the make and parking lot but there as a community full of model of the weapon. was only one way out of heart and community it and if they were to the only report i have is it was filled with come -- try to get out of the parking lot that way a rifle. the make and model, i don't have they would be going in the direction of the that confirmed at this moment. shooter, what type of compassion. >> there are reports that there jillian: thank you very much for your time, information can you thank you for joining us, we do want to pass was a shooting outside of the gather going forward? along more information walmart. that we just received from another hospital in can you confirm that. >> we had multiple reports the area, that's >> well, a couple of during the active shooter things here, maybe the shooter did study the university medical situation. area, often times this center, the hospital we had reports at other l malls confirms to fox news event is not something they have received 13 and other locations. that he is going to wake we have verified at this time up in the morning unless total victims, one has that those reports were false. died, that's according we have no separate shootings or to the hospital, those something flames him up and goes to the mall. victims range in age reports of shootings. the only active location that we from 2 to senior citizen that lead us to believe believe shootings occurred were that he planned a little at the walmart and possibly sela better, he knew where the choke point where people were exited, we vista mall. have seen that before in that is to be determined. there are at least 23 injured and one fatality, again, that is anywhere outside of that is -- school incidents, that based on those who have kind of information is made it to the hospital key as we build the has been confirmed that those and that's based on incidents that were reported to facts around what us are false. happened and why he did this point. what he did, the other there was a report of other points to note is people rob: yeah, what we don't know who is left inside malls during the time. of the wal-mart, who should always look for didn't even get out of they're false. the store and we will the only active investigation we have right now is at the walmart

other ways of locations have to wait to hear the numbers, it really is -- that they're at, so and sela vista mall. often times driving one the stories we have been >> when you say terrorist gang way might not be hearing on how this went available, it's always down is tragic, like we good to have a secondary to get out of the just heard from the councilman on a saturday dangerous situation. activity, what did you mean. at 11:00 o'clock in the i didn't say that. >> garrett, the president just tweeted morning, 11:15 in the >> there were reports that said about what happened in el paso, let's pull it morning wal-mart is the place to be, it's a that. i can't confirm the motives, up, terrible shootings busy, busy store and it the location or any reasons for in el paso, reports many the shooting right now. >> do you -- doesn't sound that was bad, spoke to governor lost on the shooter, he [ indiscernible ] >> i don't know. like i said earlier, we want to knew exactly most likely what he was doing. make sure we give an accurate of pledge support, god count. we know a lot of people were jillian: once again update on this information if you're separated during the chaos. just joining us, we do have information from and we don't want people -- we be with you all. police that one person is in custody, this is don't want to worry people a lot of people talk about guns and that becomes conversation and a lot of people talk unnecessarily. we want to be very sure that the count we give you of injured and about banning guns and the right move with the dead are accurate and also we guns, i would suspect in a place like texas where you can carry that are prepared -- that we are cierra vista mall, a something like this prepared to deal with those probably makes people couple of other stores family members when we do make think about getting a in the area, we are told notification. like i said earlier, we have to gun, i can't imagine what it's like to be in from eyewitness that is deal with people that there and have absolutely no protection the shooting happened gillian: police confirm transported themselves on their from somebody that's outside of the wal-mart own. they could have gone to area in the parking lot multiple people are dead after a there, we heard a number gunman opened fire at a walmart hospitals. that takes time to confirm that with a rifle. of stories from they are part of this incident. countless eyewitnesses near a mall in el paso, texas. so we are not going to have that who have just been police say at least one suspect is in custody but they cannot until later on, possibly today. shaken to the core, >> unfortunately the conversation right from maybe even tomorrow. the incident and what's rule out the possibility of >> what do you know up to now happening into that really unimaginable to

larger discussion on -- to picture a saturday multiple shooters as reaction as you just said, rob, continues to pour in at this about the path that the gunman guns, you know, my stance has always been hour. sunny saturday in el i'm jillian mele. one that legal paso, texas where one of rob: i'm rob schmidt. took, from where to where, where the guests say a sunny did it start. responsible gun ownership should be the area remains an active scene allowed, if you have the saturday this time of >> all the reports i have are right background to have year you have a lot of right now. people shopping for back police say there is no longer an based on 911 calls so they're it, but we do know, to school things, back not very reliable. sandy hook and to school items at imminent threat. we did get reports initially wal-mart getting as it's unclear how many people garrett mentioned might have been killed in the connecticut, some of the from walmart and then other shootings, people be getting groceries for shooting. a witness recounts a horrifying fearful and leads them the week, or things for secondarily at the mall. to think that maybe i a party that you're should have a gun having this weekend, you scene. now, whether one happened before especially when you're know, you have a bunch >> i probably heard anywhere the other, i couldn't confirm. at a mall and you're of different ages out >> do you have any idea of the from 15 to 20 pops. duration of the shooting. saying how will i defend there and it's >> i don't have the total i saw this man dressed in a duration, no. packed place on a >> how much longer do you think my family, discussion saturday. black t-shirt with cargo pants, the scene will remain active. that is go on as to how rob: according to city >> it's safe to say that the we continue to discuss councilman police carrying what seemed to be a scene will be active the rest of reporting it was an ak47 that and make area being fired by rifle, just pointing at people the day and possibly throughout and just shooting straight at safer, this incident will bring discussions the night. that's a safe estimate. 21-year-old gunman. to the forefront. them. i saw about three or four just but again, this is unprecedented fall to the ground and i thought in the meantime there should be a lot of oh, my god,. things that we should be doing and send the in el paso. message clear that it's a crime scene. people caught with guns usually these things end with suicide or suicide rob: tough to listen to. if we have multiple fatalities, by cop, but this is illegally need to go to somebody that the police garrett tenney is live in el multiple victims, we have to jail, people breaking are going to be able to paso, texas with the very the law, people who are investigate each and every one interview just 21 year's of those. illegally stealing guns old opening fire at this latest. -- in front of this you've been hearing stories all a murder investigation could and marketing guns day that have been terribly take a day. wal-mart and moving into if it turns out to be a mass illegally have to be the store and as we just emotional and tough to listen casualty, it could be longer. held accountable, we have to address these -- said 23 injured and to. that's just the ones >> reporter: just to paint a those estimates are just these active shooters that made it to the scene for you. this is a the middle of a estimates right now. >> in terms of the duration of but we also have to hospital, one dying at the hospital and we

address some of the saturday. i want you to think about your this from -- give us an idea minor crimes, crimes don't know how many from when the first 911 call that we are looking the fatalities at this point but we have been told local walmart or target or sam's came in to when the officers other eye -- not looking at effectively. arrived on the scene. >> i don't have that. multiple fatalities, club on a saturday afternoon and i don't have that information. reports show it was a you get an idea of how busy it that would be guessing. i'm not comfortable giving you riffle, semiautomatic rifle being fired off, was here. it was around 11:00 a.m. when we believe at this point that it is a lone gunman based on what we're hearing from that estimate i know it was very jillian: with your law quickly. i know that there were officers enforcement background, all of your experience, witnesses, this man p got out of what types of questions would you be asking of the car in the parking lot of this person that they plus base have said that have in custody? the scene is now safe, the walmart and opened fire, still active and being started shooting people. investigated but no from there, he went inside the in the mall area that weren't >> i would -- i would further threat to the want to know his background, first of community and what they'll now have to all, we want to know investigate is whether walmart, continuing to shoot where he came from, how or not this gunman truly people and he grew up, what was the acted alone or if he had any kind of help. on duty that responded. fascination with that, the response by local law we certainly want to minutes, he eventually worked study that, we also want enforcement has been to get into how his jillian: let's bring in gary, executive director of public safety at his way further back in walmartt overwhelming, not only state and relationships are with sacred heart university local, some of those individuals others, we want to try and a former chief of to find out where he got were not actively working but police in fairfield, were in the area when the call his fascination, who he we're hearing, that is when went out. got his fascinations connecticut, sir, based i couldn't give you the estimate on the information and of how quickly we showed up. the new information we >> were there any inside gunfire ended inside the walmart have received, where is walmart. from, what we are storks based on what we're >> i don't have that finding out where people are now making these police in the hearing from witnesses. information. >> were there armed security investigation, do you think? many of the witnesses, the personnel in walmart. >> one the city is stabilized they are >> i don't believe there's any doing a couple of things, number 1, they scenes they're describing was armed but i couldn't confirm shooters into heros and will go room to room that either. inside that mall to absolutely horrific. one woman said she saw a woman >> are there any estimates of people trying to mirror ensure that there are no the number of rounds that were them. other victims, ensure laying on the floor who was shot used. >> no, i don't have that. that all victims that on the leg. everybody takes a different pathway for need medical attention she couldn't stand up and she i don't have estimates on round this type of violence, are doing that and a was reaching up and desperately it's similar in a lot of counts. >> updates on the --

ways but the pathway they take is different. whole other component of screaming, yelling, where is my we have to start investigation is going to be occurring, it's son? she had gone in with her son and [ indiscernible ] >> i can confirm no law understanding what that is and we've done a good job in some areas, we enforcement personnel did fire have tried to put occurring with state, got separated from him when the local and federal their weapons during this antibullying in schools, shooting broke out and she incident. the person that was taken into we tried to make more of investigators doing deep custody was taken into custody dive in this couldn't get up to go around and a collective environment so we are not having find him, make sure he was okay. without incident. some of those harassment individual's life, they are trying to interview and no law enforcement personnel him, background, social issues, we've taken another witnesses we spoke to, fired their weapon. steps to limit the media, all the internet, at the back of the store with >> did he drop his weapon and ability for people who all digital footprint her husband when the shots should not have guns not that is they can, a deep have guns, at the same dive into that while at started breaking out. time we have to dissect she said they thought they were abandon it. each one of the the same time officers fireworks initially. >> all i can say, it happened instances to try to find there still making out the pathway that but as had picked up in pace and without incident. each one of them took rescues, freeing people from build that is are i can assume he dropped his towards violence, in still trapped and some continued going they realized addition to that, we of them probably fearful this is gunman who has come into weapon. have to look at really scared to come the walmart and he is opening without incident, means there hardening our targets out of where they're was probably little to minimal and we have to continue to train people that hiding from, they will fire. force when they took the person. when they go somewhere conduct interviews with them, along with she said at >> everyone who was evacuated, everyone and there's a lot of people -- they least 100 other people rushed want to interview where are they now? they have to be aware of anybody that they can to from all around the store into surroundings and when make sure that they get they hear something, the back part of the area, into an understanding of what >> mcarthur elementary school hide, run, three here, they saw. the storage area, where they had is the evacuation center. here is the third and jillian: gary, thank you very much for joining us, that's what police large containers that they they used metro busses to that certainly call 9-1-1, are doing right now, normally bring in on the people we get law location so they can meet with enforcement to the scene trying interview, trying to get as much the quicker the incident information as they can 18-wheelers, metal frames, and family members. can end and the quicker from the suspect because they got inside the containers anybody that was evacuated will we can get locations. with one person in be taken to that location. to protect themselves just in custody, that's a rare thing to happen so you case the gunman came further >> people running out of the can gather a lot of back into that area. rob: all right, former information. they were there for about 20 store, were there injuries from >> learn a lot and interview the family and that panic? >> i'm sure there were injuries field chief in everybody what the minutes. connecticut, thank you for yoe, person knew, the president did weigh in when they were getting ready to in the panic. appreciate it. on this with a tweet, we come back in the store, they i don't have specific

can go ahead and pull heard another round of gunshots we will go to jacqui heinrich who has been that up here if we have break out. they said about 10 minutes following the information. later, that's when they were >> homes in the area -- told it was okay to come out, [ indiscernible ] but basically the president acknowledging and they went through a back social media, often that he's heard about the story, he's been in >> hotels or homes related to contact with the door of the building and exited. this? times a place where you governor of texas w were multipe not that i'm aware of, no. can learn a lot of we don't have a lot of details things. on what exactly happened during >> what we have heard anything else? okay. the latest from the president follow -- in we're going to try to give you as much information as we can. the part where he said, those 20 minutes between the gunshots they heard many we know the next tactical brief, like i the gunman this custody. many killed, 15 and 20 we don't know what condition said, we call them tactical casualties, but we did he's in or exactly how it played briefs from the scene here, the not have a number on how many of those people out that he was brought into main press conference with city custody. we're awaiting for an update officials, i'll post that on killed and how many injured, the latest from police to get those details. twitter with the location and information coming over in terms of the victims, we're that's to be determined. twitter from the getting a better picture of how any other tactical brief or president describing it as many killed, of anything else i come up with or course, we are still widespread this destruction was we are able to release to you, i trying to get a handle that he caused. on how many people are we know that at least 24 will put it on twitter and let actually in custody, we you know exactly when we're confirmed people that were shot. going to have that. saw that there had been it will be at this location. one of them is dead. discrepancy between what we know many of them are in the any questions? the mayor of el paso hat >> personaltter? reported confirming >> el paso employmen el paso pot multiple suspects were icu units undergoing medical in custody and the latest information from care as we speak. police that update that we also know this is very much we heard several minutes an ongoing situation that ago contradicting that that's where we're funneling saying that they had they're investigating, a very everything. >> there's multiple casualties? ruled out multiple active scene is what we're told. >> i know at least one person is shooters and they don't believe there is any acknowledging they had dead. >> do you know if children are initial reports of imminent threat to the community at this point, that it is under dead. >> i don't know the demographics control. but to give you an idea of what of the people injured or dead.

multiple shooters but as of now they ruled that they're facing going forward in out, they have one terms of the victims, the el person in custody and they acknowledged the paso police department tweeted information is evolving out a short time ago, saying okay. [speaking in spanish] and the information could change. blood needed urgently. jillian: you have been listening to a press conference multiple injured transported to we know from the governor of texas greg from the el paso police abbott that there's some various hospitals and they department, the latest piece of this where he information on this mass acknowledges where there announced blood donation centers shooting that happened at may have been multiple and they gave the address for people involved in the 1:00 p.m. local time there at mass shooting, the state that. so as we see in these case, of texas will do everything it can to ensure justice is the mall at a walmart in a delivered to the you'll expect there will be an shopping complex. perpetrators of this outpouring of support from the shocking information when you heinous act, so we will listen to police there, saying be watching for more local community which we heard information to come down from multiple officials, that there were between one and on just how many people described as one of the safest three thousand people in that were involved in this or if it is in fact, one cities in america. walmart at this time and 100 i can tell you, we've been here the last few days, covering a suspect that the employees. you think about, it's august, lieutenant governor dan visit to the border from a it's a saturday, a sunny creational del -- from a saturday there in he'll pa some patrick confirmed was in you have a lot of people out congressional delegation and what we heard lawmaker after shopping for back-to-school custody, 21-year-old male, no official word supplies, doing weekly shopping on how many people were lawmaker say is how impressed they were by the people of el killed or how many were so that was the scene there. injured, we did get one paso, how generous, how kind, police say walmart and the mall, how giving, how big their hearts those areas have they are eyewitness account of one death, speaking to a are for anyone that is in need. young man who said that that's the kind of community his mother was shot and where this took place today, transitioning at this point into the criminal investigation. killed. the scene is still active, the white house you heard police say that the says that the president about 650,000 people live here. suspect was taken into custody has been briefed and we

it is very -- it is a very large without incident. that no law enforcement official found president pledging city. you can see the border just had to fire their weapons. support to el paso and behind us right over there, is lets' go now to mary ellen as of now we are waiting on more information on the southern u.s. border. o'toole, retired senior fbi the identity of who there is a huge law enforcement might have committed this and the identities profiler and a forensic of those who were presence her. affected by it, rob and behavioral consultant. on this case alone you had the she's joins us by phone. jillian. you were listening to that just as we were. jillian: jacqui heinrich, thank you, so fbi, atf, local, state police what do you think when you heard many questions to be answered at this point. the update from police? and customs and border agents >> i thought it was helpful but that rushed here as soon as let's bring in ken it was also apparent there is paxton, texas attorney reports of the shooting came general, joining us live really a great deal of on the phone, sir, there they're continuing the information that's still has been a lot of investigation. outstanding and i'll give you a conflicting information this afternoon, can you what we know so far of the couple he'll examples. give us the latest information that you we need to know a lot more about have confirmed? suspect, we're told he's a 21-year-old male from a city the shooter. we know that he's a white male councilman, told us they they and somewhere in his 20s. believe it was an ak-47 that he >> obviously conflicting information because the information is constantly being we don't know, was he a former updated, i don't know if used. he is in custody. employee of the walmart. anybody has all the at this point they don't know we don't know if he traveled his motive. numbers for sure on how that's something they're trying to determine. there specifically to that many killed and how many that is one of the questions store. injured but i do know that often takes a much longer that would become very important in terms of why did he target there's so far they are time to get an answer to. that particular store. interviewing one but as we reported earlier, we don't know a would have right around this time when you shooter, even as we speak, so there -- we get to four, five hours after may end up finding out fueled his decision to go forward and commit this more down the road but the shooting, that's when a lot right now that involves of the fog, the fog of war shooting. for example, did he have -- was starts to clear up and you start one shooter. to get some of the details he influenced by other shooters,

figured out of exactly how this was he influenced by certain rob: so just one shooter in custody at this time, you're not sure if he whole situation played out and ideology. where we are now and where we're we don't know that. had any help in this? going to be going forward. that also becomes important. i think all of that will come out in the investigation. we're expecting another update >> i think that's probably what they're from the police in the next trying to find out and couple hours. hopefully we'll get a lot more so being speculative about that, interviewing right now. of those answers. these kinds of things too soon, the process is ongoing, you don't want to but absolutely tragic shooting would probably cause us to reach eliminate the this morning and the people we possibility early on talked to here said like any without doing thorough investigation and that's person would say, you never conclusion that's would noconcle what they are doing think it's going to happen to right now. you. jillian: this has rob and jillian. chattered the community, the el paso community act considerate. and beyond i'm sure, rob: the suspect is alive so rob: we know he did not want to everybody in texas, we'll learn a lot more in the everybody in the country watching this unfold coming days. die today. sounds like he set down his gun garrett, thanks so much. right now and just, you and was arrested by police know, our hearts go out to that community, gillian: let's bring in former without any incident. does that tell you anything? what's your message to the folks there who >> well, maybe. it could be true that that's the might be watching? deputy assistant director of the case. but we've had other cases where counter terrorism tershiy. >> you know, our message is that we care about that decision, that momen secono the community, we are going to be there for the community, there's no way to make up for second decision to suicide or we talked to you in the past the loss that these when we had mass shootings. commit suicide by cop is not families have experienced but i do unfortunately, we always say one want them to know that is too l. predictable very often and so my office, the at this point, from your governor's office, the experience, what you know in while he may have gone in there state authorities will be there to help in any thinking i'll die as a result of way possible. law enforcement, what is happening right now, a few hours suicide by cop or i'll kill rob: what kind of after this happened. myself, may have been his questions, i mean, obviously you have a young man in custody you think committed a >> jillian, what you're seeing thinking o

horrible act, you know, is something these people what happens now, what trained for in all the dayses that you don't see them. are police asking him, mind. when they describe it to us in where does the and local, state, federal law investigation go? the next couple of hours or the enforcement officials and agents next couple of days, i think and officers are training all >> well, i think first you want to know was the time. there anybody else involved, that will be we have operations in america in that will become clearer what the first question, a number of cities that you second is you want to exactly -- maybe what his probably heard of called urban understand, why is it thinking. jillian: it is rare that you that they did and, shield. the whole purpose is to actually take the suspect into third, you want to know hopefully never have to go to custody in situations like this how did they accomplish one of these events. to be able to question this they're so horrendous and this, what's their person, to be able to get background, how did they information and learn from this end up being able to do emotions run so high and so many this relatively easily. things going on at once, when experience. how important is that? >> it's very important. everybody shows up the objective rob: so do -- is to stop the shooting and because we need to know was there anyone else involved that >> how can we stop this neutralize the shooter. may have backed out at the last from -- rob: does it the major objective after that minute. were there any other people that surprise you that the is to make sure that all of may have helped him to plan alleged shooter is still these victims are cared for and alive, we were just talking to other police officers that say so that you get people out of there this, whether to acquire the often they end up killed to get help, to get medical by police or killing weapon or help him surveil the help, that you help them right on the spot. shopping center. themselves? all of that time that's going in many cases there are several >> well, or they end up being killed by somebody sites that are chosen ahead of else that's armed. on, your emotions are running time that could be possible very, very deep and it's like targets. that has certainly so did he have any help? happened in other cases. was there anyone in his circle rob: rare to see somebody come out of a almost super human to have to of friends or family that was crime like this alive. control your emotions and see all of the core nag and all of aware that he was taking steps to act out like this? >> it really is. the -- carnage and all of the so there's a lot of information

i'm actually shocked that becomes critical to law given how many people were apparently injured enforcement and then, too, what or killed, i'm shock that he was able to be horrendous things going on around you. you actually gather strength captured without, you from those people, from victims, was his ideology, what influenced him? from people who do heroic things and very important, at least to know, shot himself. and help every day when people like me and to law something like this happens and enforcement, when did you first jillian: law enforcement it happens obviously all too start thinking about doing this? has that person to get all of the information often. they need and so often but the best in human nature there's absolutely no way that when shooters are killed, you don't have comes out and i think that's this guy woke up this morning that opportunity. what actually attracts so many people to law enforcement. and decided to do this. >> no, there's no doubt there's a benefit to the it's not to having like this that doesn't happen. investigation having the these are not snap crimes. person alive. happen. it's to just be able to be the thinking, the fantasizing there, to help people when it about it is part of the we can learn a lot if -- enjoyment of the case. does. rob: the frequency of this is if the person is alive, i hate to use the word. learn about why and how what really bothers a lot of but the events from the and what was going on people is when you start seeing perspective of the shooter, this these shootings happen over and and i think it provides over and over again. information for the people get so frustrated. was not-car for us it's future. it's become almost kind of like horrifying, what he did. jillian: yeah. a fad among some of the sickest but from their perspective, the rob: so just wrapping up, we have one person people in our society to do in custody, we are not sure if he had any help, shooter's perspective, this was something like this when they a good day for him. they are looking to find out and we don't have feel like they've got nothing to rob: that's just a horrific live for. thing to have to think about. exact number on victims i wonder what you think of that, at this point; is that what you think of a solution we tried to draw distinctions could be to fix this, to move us from these. right? we've seen a lot of these and >> speculation about the numbers but i don't away from this. think we can know that for sure until -- it's >> a number of years ago, about these sole lone gunmen, massacre chaotic as you might expect and people are in 2000, we actually did a study type shootings and you try to various stages of think of ways that maybe they treatment and we just because during unibomb, during don't know how this is the search for the olympic all having in common, that going to turn out. bomber and some other bombings, people that do this having in

the oklahoma city bombings in common. do you see anything in these jillian: lieutenant governor dan patrick 1995, we didn't have any research or much information to people that they all share? >> i do. told us in last hour, support the idea of what kind of they don't all go fit into the person embarks upon committing same box. somewhere between 15 or 20 casualties, didn't many of them, especially now, know how many were such horrendous crimes like post columbine where we see a fatalities, he also this. said, though that this a clinical psychologist and fbi different type of shooter, community, this town is they'll go into a soft target one of the safest places agent came back to the bureau where people are not expecting in the entire country. and actually teamed up with to be injured or killed. people from the secret service, they will -- so they can reach >> he's right about this. had access to files, was kind of mentored by a group of at one time that was not true but they've done such a good job building psychologists outside of the maximum lethality and they come in with fire power that would fence in late 90's and bureau that knew how to give allow them to achieve that goal. law enforcement has done opinions and assess research. a good job, one to have we don't know exactly what the safest cities in anyway, she created a landmark weapon is. we'll learn about that. citstudy on the lone offender, to be able to go and do that, america. they'll do blood testing on him rob: all right, attorney general ken paxton of just so everybody knows because texas, thank you so much because a lot of characteristics for your time, we are similar between lone serial they don't want to have people appreciate it. suggest that this was the result if you learn anything bombers and lone gunmen, mass of drugs or alcohol or if he had else, please just let us know, we will be here waiting for you call. shooters. she found several car that in his system. characteristics these people but it's important to know that >> absolutely will, we have. just about every one of them and to be able to do something like since that time you can apply to this, you have to get to the appreciate the country, people as we learn more about point where you view other human the president and your them, they were loners. beings as unhuman or as they had never made a connection prayers. jillian: if you are in their life. joining us almost they really longed for and objectses. that thinking takes a long time. 2:30 p.m. in el paso, texas, that is the scene sought for kind of a group you saw it in nazi germany where

of a horrific mass identity, to be connected to shooting that happened something but they could never the nazis were able to get to around 11:00 a.m. local get it. the point where the jews were no some of them joined extremist time there at the cielo longer human. this dehumanization thinking is groups, they were asked to leave vista mall, we were told because they were too violent if you can think about that. really a radicalization, it can by witnesses outside of the wal-mart that's and they were characterized by a take years to get to that point where the person started shooting, right near the mental illness, they were very or sometimes less if people are nature'verynarcisistic and werey airport, we have reports immersed in the internet, of many people injured, dealing with hate and we do not have any information on how many hate-filled rhetoric. jillian: there's definitely a lot on the internet, that's for fatalities and how many exact injuries at this point, what we know from sure. that's something police will be angry. looking at, social media pages, police in press none of it was treated or taken what he's done, what they can conference just about 45 up a notch to where they got gather from his computer. minutes ago is that they help. one of the solutions we found to do, in fact, have one thank you very much for your person in custody. this, one of the most critical time and insight. >> you're very welcome. aspects of what we recommended jillian: the white house along let's go ahead and bring with other political leaders was we need to get out to local steve rogers, former reacting to the horrific events lieutenant detective and law enforcement, get out to the in el paso today. member of joint task communities and let the police mark meredith is live in new know that the other thing we force, you have been listening to all the new found, they're going to be the jersey near where president information, what do you first to notice anomalies in make of the new trump is staying. information that you've people's behavior. >> reporter: the president has been briefed on what happened bought they're out there. earlier today. heard? >> well, as we have they're out there every day. we know he's had a chance to repeated quite often, it is good news if there's any good news out of they talk to people, from the speak to bill barr as well this that they do have little league coaches, to the shooter in custody, teachers, to parents. aztecas --as well as texas' g. but you were on the air so they know there are people out amonday amongst us having dt we haven't seen the president on i received text officer, camera today. he has been tweeting.

this is what we train times. for, el paso police most of those people won't do i wanted to show you the tweet. department did a superb something like this. but a small percentage of them he wrote, quote, terrible outstanding job in might. if we can identify those people shooting in el paso, reports are bringing their training through the mental illness, very bad, many killed. to the scene and you through problems they're having working with state and local know what they did, they and if we can develop a much authorities and law enforcement. saved a lot of lives, better system to take care of spoke to governor to pledge total support of federal police and departments warning signs, then i think all over the country are we'll be a lot better off. government. trained in god be with you all. we've also heard today from active-shooter scenarios like this and my hats one final point on that, a off to them and now what house speaker nancy pelosi, she number of years ago when i came also putting out a tweet saying, will happen is the into the fbi, we had extensive quote, we are closely monitoring investigation continues contact, every fbi agent had the situation in el paso. with the forensic while we are grateful for the studies, detectives, extensive contact with local police. it was part of our day. heroic first responders, our and as crime became more hearts ache for the families of atf, everyone will get those killed and the injured. involved and connect a lot of dots to make sure complicated, as the responsibilities of the bureau and we said this action must be taken finally to grew, as we had issues that earlier, to make chutely end gun violence. sure that -- sure that we're hearing from a number of arose from our relationship with the 2020 presidential local police and the idea of candidates, holding events collected intelligence, all that across the country today. the gunman acted alone. went to the wayside. we heard from former texas and our ability to have those congressman beto o'rourke who is police are absolutely close contacts across the board from el paso. sure that people in the area are safe. he got emotional while speaking faded. and i'm not sure there's not a to reporters earlier today. rob: steve, you talked here's what the form rer about the active coincidence -- not a connection congressman had to say in the shooter, the protocol and the protocol to go between the fact that we kind of last two hours. right in, right, you pulled back from communities in >> i'm incredibly saddened. can't waste any time that way, certainly the police, it is very hard to think about because every few seconds somebody could and the increase in these kinds be getting killed?

of things happening. we used to take care of people >> well, i took active this. but i'll tell you, el paso is shooter training many, many times and you're in a lot of different ways, find absolutely right. it's a far cry from what we did in 70's and the strongest place in the wor 80's, but you don't rush in but where diversions for people that were problems many years ago. that's not available now. even our communication with the world. this community's going to come police is limited to joint together. i'm going back there right now to be with my family and to be terrorism task forces and essentially the fis initiative f with my hometown. individual agents. >> reporter: we know that bay bs i think we ought to look at the idea that we have to be together out there. i'll give you a practical campaign canceled some events example. the search for eric robert scheduled for later today. a number of the other 2020 candidates have been weighing in rudolph, the olympic bomber in as well. we've seen statements coming in the summer of 1998, question had from people like bernie sanders as well as elizabeth warren. 25 state, local and federal we expect to hear more from them agencies there, we had at any one time 250 people, law as this situation unfolds. we also know that lawmakers are enforcemenenforcement people, a1 not in town in washington. armed s.w.a.t. teams from atf, it's their august recess. a number of them have been the fbi, other agencies and yet we had public cooperation in a offering condolences, their prayers and reacting to the big way. horrific news. jillian: mark meredith, thank you don't hear about anything negative coming from that. we were there for one purpose you so much. we continue to follow this and we left. breaking news out of el paso, we didn't create problems along the way. because of that connection between the commu very texas. shooting at the walmart, a a

walmart. we do have a number of victims right now at two different tight and organized way, i think medical centers, 24 in total we need to go back to a lot of that we know of, 23 injured, one that and really need to start has passed away from injuries. thinking about any kind of barriers to communication between law enforcement on any rob: 21-year-old young man in custody. level, really is a questionable police say the shooter at this walmart is alive, appears to be practice. especially in a free society. uninjured and in custody. gillian: thank you so much for we will have more on this coming your insight. up after the break. we appreciate you being here. stay tuned. >> thank you. rob: let's bring in ted williams now, a criminal defense attorney and former homicide detective. let's do it. ted, we go to you a lot in situationses like this. [ sniffing ] we appreciate your time. the killer, the suspected killer in this case is still alive. and i wanted to get your reaction to that. he's in custody of police. come on. this summer, add a new member to the family. >> rob, that's going to hurry into the mercedes-benz summer event today hopefully give law enforcement a for exceptional offers. lease the glc 300 suv for just $419 a month treasure trove of evidence in light of the fact that the at the mercedes-benz summer event. going on now. alleged killer here of these family is all togetherect... unfortunate people is still alive. and we switched to geico;

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let's bring in terry tershiy. there were thousands of people police say inside that walmart on this saturday morning when it happened. >> again, it's a day when we're not hearing anybody criticize the police. and i wish we had more days like that. i was particularly interested in hearing that he was taken down peacefully, and not a shot was fired. whenever they use that term without incident, that's what that means. what i would say to people is that's the norm. i think we forget when we throw out all of these things about the police sometimes and it's very easy to use terms police brutal at this anity and systemd that. police have about 53 million stops of people. how many bad stories do we come out of that? today is a day, again, that we don't ever want to see. but the police were heroic and the police worked with the

people there who were also heroic and they're trying to make the best of this and it's a terrible situation to have to make the best of, to help people get through this. mary ellen o'tool was on. you heard some interesting and great words of wisdom from someone who did outstanding work when she was in the fbi. we use people like mary ellen o'tool to give us the best information, the best insight when we're out there and having to do things like the police are doing today and making decisions and hopefully get that information in the future out to others so that we can some day figure out how to be much more successful in preventing what happened here today. but it's a huge and complex thing to do and you're doing it at a time when other people just want to continue to use these kinds of tragedies to bring in other issues and really it really is a lot about the healing minds, mental illness and trying to identify that and help people before they do

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>> all right. welcome back. we continue to follow this horrific day in el paso texas. a shooting at a wal-mart. we have multiple casualties, not sure on the number of fatalities. we know at least 24 people were taken to the hospital, nine of whom are in critical condition as the city of el paso asks for help with blood donations. we're going to bring in ted williams criminal defense attorney and former homicide detective. first things first, they are

going to learn something today, from this killer, he is alive and in custody. what do they need to learn? >> they need to learn as much as they can get him to talk. one of the problems i'm concerned as a defense attorney, rob, is that he at some stage, they believe he's a suspect in this, he's going to be close to his constitutional rights. i'm sure the local attorney, the prosecuting attorney in that venue is very careful about how they elicit information from him that they will be able to use later in a trial. >> and ted, let's talk about what police are going to be combing through in the hours and days, maybe even weeks to come. i mean, you are talking about on-line files. you are talking about phone calls, text messages, relationships with people, family, friends. >> absolutely, gillian. what is going on right now is they are combing through the

videotapes, not only in the mall, but also in the parking lot and in the wal-mart, and they are trying to determine, number one, if there are any accomplices, or was he working with anybody initially? they are going back not only to the day videotapes but going to go back and see if he cased the place, had he been there before, where did he get the gun, when did he buy it, who did he buy it from, under what circumstances did he buy it. they are also trying to determine -- a lot of times i found that these individuals who carry out these acts will put out some kind of a manifesto, so they are checking to see if he already has some writings out there on some social media site, as to whether he's put out a manifesto and also definitely combing his automobile to try to find out what, if anything, they can find out from there. >> 21 years old, the suspect is. do you believe that there are going to be people within his circle, friends or family that

might have been able to predict that something like this was going to happen? >> i can just about 100% tell you that there are individuals who perhaps will say that this man was acting somewhat strange and that he did certain things that they predicted that he may very well have carried out some kind of an act like this. they very well may not know directly that he was going to go into that wal-mart and do what he did today. one of the things i'm significantly concerned about are copy cats. when these kinds of horrific events take place, these soft target events, it lights up a lightbulb in people who are mentally ill to do these kind of acts elsewhere, so this is very concerning to me. >> ted, you know, we're at the point now where people are kind of tired of hearing the same thing over and over again and questioning how do we stop this? but at this point in time, we still don't know how to get a

grip on when you see things posted on-line, when someo behan they might say something to you that triggers it in your brain, we have to come to a place in our society where we -- that automatically triggers something in us, where we tell law enforcement. >> well, gillian, dealing with the human brain, the mental capacity of individuals to carry out these acts is sort of like a needle in a haystack. you never know when an individual is going to go off, and so there are social scientists that study and study these individuals, but you never know when that powder keg is going to explode, unfortunately. >> all right. ted williams, thank you very much for your time, all afternoon. we do appreciate it. east el paso, texas, a wal-mart at the cielo vista mall, the scene of a horrific shooting, a rampage by police say one 21-year-old young man who witnesses say had an ak-47 in

his possession and started firing near the entrance of wal-mart and then moved inside of the store. we do not at this point have an. we do know that there are more than a dozen peo and i believe 24 were rushed to the hospital where one died. >> that's right. the update from two of the medical centers in that area. this is about an hour ago, the del sol medical center, had 11 victims, nine critical but two stable, ages of the victims 35 to 82. at el paso medical center, 13 victims they received, one died from their injuries, the age ranges there are 2 to senior. when police gave an update about half hour ago, it was shocking when you heard police say that at that time on saturday morning, a sunny saturday in el paso, you had between 1 and 3,000 people inside the wal-mart, 100 employees, people doing their back to school shopping, shopping for the week, heart breaking. >> that store is probably about

as busy as that wal-mart gets. that might have been intentionally the reason that the shooter showed up at that time. it may have been completely on purpose. >> we also know police said that the suspect was taken into custody without incident. no law enforcement officials fired their weapons. so that is the very latest from police in el paso, texas. we will continue to follow this for you. we now go to jon scott and the fox report. jon: heart break in the heartland as a gunman goes on a deadly shooting spree at a shopping center in el paso texas. i'm jon scott. this is the fox report. chaos unfolding hours ago in the area of the cielo vista mall. a gunman targeting people shopping on a saturday morning. witnesses say he opened fire near the entrance of a wal-mart before going inside the store to continue the carnage. police confirm multiple people were killed. one shooter is in custody. we have live fox team coverage. mark meredith will have lawmaker reaction. jackie heinrich is following the latest developments coming out

of area hospitals. christina coleman has more on the services being offered to