jon: bernard, what about video began about five hours ago when games? so many of these school shooters a gunman opens fire inside a that's why united rentals is combining equipment, and others have been sort of walmart and then a shopping raised on a diet of violet video data, safety and expertise center, killing multiple people. to help your worksite perform better. i'm jon scott, this is "the fox games -- violent video games. is that a factor or is it not? united rentals. report." a busy saturday morning >> i think that what we need to shattered by gunshots in the do is have a significant look area of the cielo vista mall. a lone gunman going on a through our mental health shooting rampage at a walmart experts, law enforcement, educate ors and have a serious packed with thousands of partnership, a research-based shoppers doing their back to school shopping. examinations of what the trends school was about to begin on monday there. are in society, cultural, police con firming multiple generational, and find out this people were killed in the cause where somebody has this attack. the associated press reporting ideation of themselves above all at least 15 deaths so far, that others to the point of homicide. is unconfirmed at this point. one person is in custody. what are the causations? there could be many. we have live fox team coverage. but you can see repeatedly that there's a veneer of whatever the mark meredith will have lawmaker justification is. but it's reaction, jacqui heinrich is following the developments coming out of hospitals, but garrett tenney is at the scene of the shooting in el paso. what's the latest? >> reporter: at this press conference coming up, we are jon: he is a loner and has an ax expecting to get more details

about this investigation, specifically the shooter, his movements, how he was brought into custody, because there's going to be city officials there to grind. >> someone obsessed with their as well. we're hearing from law enforcement sources as well that some of these details are going needs, their feeling of having to be coming out shortly. to be justified in whatever it at this point the police say they believe there was one is. they pick their justification to shooter, he is in custody. we're told from state officials it was a 21-year-old male, this commit this act. they are seeking a narcissistic past hour the texas attorney general says he believes he was from the dallas area. fulfillment. we're also told from a city council member that it was an it is quite obvious it is only ak-47 that this gunman used one-layer deem when we are look around 11 a.m. this morning when at causation. i believe as a nation and he walked up in the parking lot society we need to focus on that of this walmart and opened fire on folks. to find identifiers. witnesses told us he was is there a trip wire in we have shooting indiscriminately. and i want you to hear from two witnesses that i spoke to of to assume these events will what the chaos was like in those happen. having all of us trained with initial moments. >> yeah. i had just finished parking with my mom, and we were just walking out towards, going into the the assumption in large store. and then all of a sudden pop, pop, pop. gatherings this will happen.

and i just, it took me a second it might prevent people from or two to realize what was going into shock and dying. happening, and then i rushed my mom back into the car and ran even when law enforcement is out. it was just chaos. people started running all over becoming more proficient at the place. it was the most horrific thing i've ever seen. >> i heard more shots closer stopping the short after the first shot. together, because at first it jon: when we were watching the was just like -- i knew it police chief and others at that wasn't a handgun because of how news conference, they are loud it was and being ar or an grieving m-14 or some type of gun like that. and me and my husba taken off towards the back of the store and trying to push people out of our way telling them, hey, there's a shooter, we need to go, let's run. >> reporter: the last update we got are from police, it was significant that they said no officers discharged their weapons throughout the incident, and the suspect was taken into custody without incident.

jon? jon: that is the amazing part of this whole story. we know that he's going to be interrogated and probably is right now. thanks very much, garrett tenney, in el paso. let's take you to del sol medical center where some of the victims were taken. let's listen in to their news conference. >> i think the community of el paso should be very proud of the trauma system that is here on their behalf to take care of them. i'm extremely grateful for the commitment by hca health care to have a level ii trauma center here to be able to take care of patients in times like this, and i'm very proud to be a part of that team. i'll turn you over back to david for any further questions. >> thank you, doctor. happy to take a couple questions. >> [inaudible]

>> i don't have exact numbers, but a significant number. i mean, we had many surgical specialists, general surgeons, trauma surgeons, orthopedic surgeons, urologists, anesthesiologists, a number of doctors that have come in the to be able to participate in the care of these patients. we had staff from the hospital here at del l sol as well as our sister facility, las pal maas, that came as well. >> [inaudible] officers coming into the doors -- [inaudible] is there a threat to hospital? is there any type of threat in the area? >> i don't -- we wanted, obviously, to make sure that the hospital and grounds and everything were safe. just it's a precaution that we end up taking. i don't know that there were any other threats. i, frankly, can't really comment on that. >> could you talk about the ages of the children? >> we didn't actually the end up getting any of the children

here, so i can't speak to that. >> [inaudible] earlier you said that -- [inaudible] in serious condition but stable, does that mean that -- [inaudible] >> stable condition is that there is no immediate threat to life at this point, critical condition is just that, critical. >> the patients -- [inaudible] >> i'm not entirely certain. >> [inaudible] gunshot wounds, i see -- [inaudible] could you tell what kind of caliber from any of the victims? >> i don't know. i'm not certain. >> you said something about your team, how they came together today to help? >> absolutely. the unfortunate reality is that this is the world that we live in, and so we prep for in the, we drill for this. we ended up participating in a citywide, statewide mass casualty incident, drilling around active shooter. this was the, actually, last

october, and it was an incredible participation. this went as well as what it could. again, i could not be more proud of the team. we have some surgeons who are former military, some who are still active duty military who have been deployed in afghanistan and in iraq, and their comments around the level of engagement and how this, how we were able to care for these patients was second to none. >> [inaudible] how does it help you -- [inaudible] >> it helps for us to be able to coordinate everything from making sure that the blood productsupplies that we need for operative procedures, that we're able to have all of those and know what to do for massive transfusion, for multiple cases going on at the same time. so that's what we prep for.

>> [inaudible] >> yes. and as a level ii trauma center, again, there's requirements that we have for if-house trauma teems -- in-house trauma teams as well as folks that are on standby and on call. >> are you asking for blood donations? >> certainly, blood donations will be helpful. >> where? jon jon that's the latest from del sol medical center in el paso, texas. one of at least two medical centers that received patients from this mass shooting that we've been talking about that started just before noon local time there in el paso. a gunman walked into a walmart and opened fire -- opened fire, actually, in the parking lot outside the store first, then into the walmart and then into a neighboring mall, the cielo vista mall. you heard the doctor there talking about the fact that so many of their staffers are either active duty military or former military surgeons. and because of the time they

spent in places like afghanistan and iraq, they have a great deal of experience handling these traumatic gunshot wounds that result from a situation like this. a gunman apparently carrying a long rifle, we don't know the type. but, certainly, the bullets, the damage that those bullets did was or horrific. reports are that as many as 15 have died, 24 shot. but, again, those numbers are a little bit fluid. we hope that we will be getting an update from the city officials in el paso later on this hour. in the meantime, we want to check in with dr. earnest patty, emergency services at st. barnabus hospital here in the bronx, new york. dr. patty -- >> thank you, jon, for having me. jon: thank you for coming on on a saturday evening. this is the kind of thing that no emergency department wants to have to deal with, but thank god that they are there. it sounds like everybody came

running from sister hospitals and so forth to help out in this situation. >> well, that's the situation, jon. we all prepare for these types of events, as unfortunate as they are. and you basically put all hands on deck notice for everyone. and staff come in who are supposed to be off, others stay late and those who are around and not on duty still come in. you basically need as many resources as you can, and a lot of those resources are personnel, equipment, the technique and expertise of folks. you mentioned these surgeons are from the military. those are, obviously, the best trained surgeons, the ones who have battlefield experience. because, basically, as these injured folks roll in, many of these injuries are consistent with those that they've seen and treated countless times on the battlefield. and blood is of utmost importance. you need an adequate supply, a constant supply of blood and blood products. jon: and we've seen el paso

responding. the lines are out the door at the blood donation centers there which is, certainly, heart warming to see from the point of view of a medical professional. there's a tweet from the el paso police department. they put the word out, blood needed urgently, multiple injured, transimportanted to various hospitals -- transported to various hospitals. blood donation centers, they give the addresses, and right away the lines were out the door. >> oh, that's a true testament to spirit and concern that the folks of el paso have for their fellow citizens. that's great. jon: yeah. the age range of the victims here, we're told from age 2 to 82. that's got to present, you know, a problem in and of itself to medical teams who are handling these patients. >> oh, most definitely. you need to have surgeons who are pediatric trauma-trained as well as those who have a specialty in geriatric type injuries as well. don't forget, the extremes of age have issues with the ability

to survive injuries like this as well as require certain techniques to be used and utilized when caring for them when they have catastrophic injuries like gunshot wounds such as these. jon: i wonder how you handle -- i guess you would call it triage. i'm not a medical professional, obviously -- >> of course. jon: you know, you've got multiple ambulances coming in, you don't know who's coming in next, you don't know if the next patient is going to be injured worse than the one that you're seeing right now. how do you make those decisions? the you just get everybody into the operating rooms as quickly as you can? >> well, what you do, the triage decision is extremely important and based on a number of things. it's based on a system that we use. it's basically as simple as the alphabet. we go through an a, b, c, d, e type of scenario. a stands for airway, b for breathing, c, circulation. we look at all these parameters,

and most important is the initial condition of the patient. how do they look? are they awake? are they speaking? are they conscious? and their vital signs. vital signs are in what the word means, vital signs. so we look at those vital signs, and if we can easily improve them by giving them fluids, putting pressure or stopping bleeding, if we can improve that, opening the airway and helping them breathe, then those folks sometimes we can stabilize and then look at the others who may be more severely injured. there's a system we use, a triage protocol. our initial emphasis is we want to treat everybody. and sometimes those that are terribly injured need to bypass the e.r. direct thely, you know -- directly, you know, bypass the e.r. and go straight up to o.r. those decisions are made in the triage process based on the types of injuries, the patients and the vital signs. it's a triage process, that's

the correct word. jon: el paso is not a huge city, i think around 650, 700,000. obviously, you don't have, you know, all the surgeons that you would have in a city like new york or chicago. it has to be, it has to put a real strain on the system when you have a shooting event like this. >> it definitely does, jon. but the good thing is all of these, all of our cities in the u.s., we're very blessed that we have such a wonderful emergency response system throughout the nation, the country actually, the whole area. and what they do is they put out an alert, and hospitals then will share resources. we've done in the with other disasters that we've had in the past, those big train accidents and other issues, things that have happened here in the city. we put out alerts to other hospitals, and we can borrow some of their medical staff as well as their equipment and also we share blood. blood, you know, will travel from hospital to hospital from the new york blood center, they will ship it to different areas

and we'll be better able to utilize the shipments that we have more pointly rather than -- appropriately rather than keep them in one location. so the word does go out, and folks definitely do share everything. jon: it is unfortunate in this day and age that hospitals is have to train for mass shooting events just like police departments do, but they do that, they do it well, and it is saving lives as a result in situations like this. dr. ernest patti, we're going to be talking to you more throughout the evening. thank you. >> thank you, jon. appreciate it. jon: jacqui heinrich is keeping tabs on the latest developments in el paso, texas. she joins us now. >> reporter: well, jon, ahead of this press conference that we're expecting in just about 15 minutes, we're trying to glean how many people were really affected by this. we know the associated press has been reporting 15 people were killed. we also know from phone calls we've been making to those area hospitals that there are an additional 23 injured. so that would bring the total

that we know of right now -- and, again, this is before we hear from police and, hopefully, an update in the next 15 minutes -- 36 victims. ap reporting, again, 15 are dead. we know from area hospitals that 23 more were injured. one of the hospital that a victim succumbed to their injuries and died, but we don't know if that person is included in the 15 that the associated press is reporting, so we're leaving it 15 dead, 23 injured that we know of whose ages range from 2 to 82 years old. police have not given any official count on number of dead or injured, but they did say that some victims transported themselves to area hospitals. here's what we know about the victims at this time. at de e l sol medical center, 11 victims. 9 at last update for in critical but stable condition. two of them stable, their ages range from 35 to 82 years old. and at university medical center, an additional 13

victims. one person succumbed to their injuries. the ages of those people being treated are 2 to senior citizen. so in total, 23 injured, alive, fighting for their lives, ranging from 2 to 82 years old. an additional 15 dead that the associated press is reporting, bringing that count to 36 people so far impacted by this. listen to latest update we got from hospital officials as they described the chaos this in trying to treat people. >> i've been here 22 years. this is by far the biggest shooting event that i've been involved in. we specifically received 13 gunshot victims, all 13 met the level i trauma activation criteria which is the highest that we use. >> reporter: as doctors continue to treat those victims, there is an urgent need for blood. we know there's been a huge response, that there have been lines around buildings as people show up to aid this community.

a tweet went out from the police department earlier saying blood needed urgently, multiple injured, transported to various hospitals, and they list a couple of donation center addresses there on mesa hills and zarazosa street. finish as of right now the only information that we have on the shooter is that he's a 21-year-old white male. no names have been released. we know he was taken in alive, and police unbelievably saying that they didn't fire their weapons at all when bringing him to custody. they said that he was taken in would without incident, which is significant, i would say. police also said that a lot of people got separated during the chaos, so they're working to reunify people with their families. so, of course, the work now for police will be finding a motive. the work for doctors is going to be treating the victims.

the work for the community is coming together and healing in the wake of this. we do know that governor abbott is well paso police right now. they tweeted out a photo of him consoling some officers. this community's going to have a lot to unpack over the next several days. and from our research here, we've looked into the number of mass shootings this year, and if we were to consider it with the criteria of a mass shooting involving four deaths, this shooting today brings the number of mass shootings in 2019 to six. that's including today and also the gilroy garlic festival, comparing that to 2018 an additional six and in 2017 there were five. just another tragedy and, of course, still awaiting an update, jon, from police in just about ten minutes now. jon: much healing yet to take place in el paso, texas. jacqui heinrich, thank you. reactions coming in from the white house as well as with

lawmakers to this horrific shooting. this statement just out from the white house reading: the president continues to receive updates from his national security team on the tragic shootings in el paso. federal government personnel including the fbi and alcohol, tobacco and firearms are on the ground in el paso actively assisting local authorities who are leading the response to the shootings. the president has pledged the full support of the federal government to texas governor abbott. mark meredith is traveling with the president. he's live near bedminster where president trump is spending the weekend at his golf club. not exactly a relaxing weekend for the president, mark. >> reporter: no, jon. the statement you just read right there was the second update we've gotten from the white house today since the shooting began. we also herald from the white house about 3:00 saying that the president has spoken both with the governor of texas, as well as his attorney general, bill barr. we have not seen the president on camera today. as you mentioned, he's a few miles away at his golf club, but

we have heard from the president on twitter. this was the tweet that is most connected to what we've been talking about. he said, quote: terrible shooting in el paso, many killed. working with state and local authorities and law enforcement. spoke with the governor to pledge total support of the federal government. god be with you all. while we've heard from the president on twitter, we've also heard on camera from the former texas congressman beto o'rourke who's running for president in 2020. beto is from the el paso area. he was set to hold campaign events today out west. those events were canceled, but before he canceled them, he spoke to media and got a little emotional. here's what the former congressman had to say a few hours ago. >> i'm incredibly saddened, and it is very hard to think about this. but i'll tell you, el paso is the strongest place in the

world. this community's going to come together. i'm going back there right now to be with my family and to be with my hometown. >> reporter: we're also hearing from the front-runner in the 2020 race, former vice president jee biden. he put -- joe biden. he said, quote: heart broken to hear the news from el paso. our thoughts are with those impacted by yet another senseless act of gun violence in america. how many lives must be cut short, how many communities must be torn apart? it's past time we take action and end our gun violence epidemic. that's the tweet we got from the former vice president, joe biden, the front-runner for 2020. we know that the president mentioned that he has been working with, not only with the federal agencies including the atf and the fbi, offering those resources to texas, we also have herald from the attorney general, bill barr. he put out a statement in the last 90 minutes or so, he said, quote: the justice department joins in mourning with the people of el paso. those who commit such atrocities should be held accountable swiftly and to fullest extent of

the law allowed. we've been hearing from a number of federal initials including the two -- officials including the two republican senators from texas, offering condolences and offering resources that they can provide as well. as we talked about, you heard from beto o'rourke as well as joe biden. many of the 2020 candidates weighing in, jon, we're continuing to monitor and see if we have more reaction tonight. jon: mark meredith who's traveling with the president, thank you. so it was a horrific day in el ifs paso, texas, when a gunman opened fire in a shopping center parking lot, then went into a walmart and continued to do the same and then into a mall. we are expecting a news conference momentarily from city leaders in el paso. we get some more information then, and our coverage continues in just a moment. has been excellent. they really appreciate the military family and it really shows. with all that usaa offers

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texas, when a gunman opened fire outside a walmart, then inside the store and then into the shopping center next door. we are expecting a news conference involving police and local city leaders that's expected to start in just a few minutes. in the meantime, police there are saying there is an urgent need for blood donations, and the city has responded. christina coleman is in los angeles now with more. >> reporter: jon, for people watching at home who want to

help out, just know blood donations are badly needed. again, medical staff treating multiple people all at once from these gunshots. police taking to social media for help, tweeting this: blood urgently needed, multiple injured, transported to various hospitals. blood donation center vital at 424 south mesa hills and 133 north zaragoza. the lines wrapped around the outside of this this donation center, and keep in mind those people are braving it out in extreme heat, waiting in triple-digit temps. it was at least 101 degrees outside today in el paso, and these people still waited to give blood to try and save lives. >> this community, obviously, is in shock. obviously, thingses like this don't happen in el paso. people are just saddened by goof helping your fellow man.

>> reporter: another way to help people nearby mcarthur school was set up as a family reunification site to help families that got separated. volunteers helping out by handing out water to those waiting in the line or who could have spent a lot of time outside in the heat after the shooting. now, as for those blood drives, at this one location, united blood services, so many people have come out they're bringing in more staff and telling people to make appointments for tomorrow. meanwhile, the el passes sew community foundation -- el paso community foundation sharing a link for financial donations on their web site, epcf.org. also el paso police encouraging people who might be having a hard time emotionally to call the state's crisis mental health hotline. jon? jon: christina coleman from los angeles, thank you. worth noting that on a day when a gunman exhibited the very worst in human behavior, all those folks in el paso line up

to donate blood and respond with the very best and the most let's talk more about it with steve rogers, a former lieutenant detective and a member of the joint steve, an ag response from police here. you know that they knew that this gunman was responsible for gunning down a couple of dozen people at the very least, and yet they were able to take him without firing a single shot. >> and they also knew, jon, that maybe one or two of those officers would not come out alive. they know that they were dealing with a crazed gunman, and you see the officers didn't know what they were walking into, but the killer knew who was coming after him. but to training and the testament of these police officers, they were able to take him alive, and what a critical move that was because now it'll help police, investigators find the motive and why that location. jon: before columbine, i'm

guessing, there wasn't much in the way of active shooter training in police departments, and now everybody's doing that, right? >> jon, i was a police officer from the 1970s all the way to 2011. and in the '70s and '80s, no training at all with regard to active shooter incidents. since then, since columbine we have the best training on earth here in this country. in the smallest of towns to the largest of cities. and you saw the results of that training in el paso. when they were able to take that gunman alive. jon: you were sitting here when i interviewed glenn oakley who is a u.s. active duty army soldier who was in the mall and carrying his legal weapon -- i assume he had it concealed, but in texas he wouldn't necessarily have to -- and he was ready to respond, ready to respond to the shots fired. all right. so members of the -- well, the local city officials in el paso are getting ready for this news

conference. we also are going to be hearing from the police department, and we will perhaps get some more information about, well, this terrible event there today. all right, so just real quickly on that, the fact that glenn oakley was ready to respond with his own legally-held weapon. >> that is a testament to the gun owners who are responsible. there's an example of a responsible gun owner who did what? who protected people on the way out so they would not be harmed. jon: and he's trained as well. >> they're all trained. responsible gun owners are trained. jon: all right. we're getting ready for this news conference once again. el paso, texas, we're told that city leaders are going to be speaking as well as the police chief. let's listen in.

>> thank you all for joining with us here today. my name is greg abbott, i'm the governor of texas, and i want to let you know, texas grieves for the people of el paso today. on a day that would have been a normal day for someone to leisurely go shopping turned into one of the most deadly days in the history of texas. lives were taken who should still be with us today. twenty innocent people from el paso have lost their lives, and more than two dozen more are injured. we, as a state, unite in support of these victims and their family members. we want to do all we can to help

them, to assist them. we pray that god can be with those who have been harmed in any way and bind up their wounds. we want to express incredible gratitude for all the law enforcement and the swift response that they took to minimize the loss of life by directly confronting the shooter, getting him to disarm himself and be able to arrest him. we could not have done this without the effective law enforcement activities of rangers, by state the, federal and local law enforcement working collaboratively the way law enforcement does work. achi.

i want the city of el paso to know and el paso police this community in their efforts to rebuild. for the country that i know has been paying a lot of attention to this, asking what they can do, i ask that you keep el el pasons in your prayers. i know the power that prayer can have. for every mom and dad, for every son and daughter, we ask that you put your arms around your family members tonight and give them a hug and met them know how much you love them -- and let them know how much you love them. as i was talking with members of the tou representatives behind me right now earlier, momentshey showed to me a video taking place in this community about how people in in this community were

standing in lines around buildings to give blood, to provide water, to provide support. and as they pointed out, el paso is defined not by the catastrophe that struck this town. the way el paso is really defined is the way this community comes together and supports each other to bridge the divider of this catastrophe -- the divide of this catastrophe that's happened today toward the pathway of where el paso will be tomorrow. texas and everybody in this community, we must do one thing today, one thing tomorrow and each and every day after this. we must unite. and especially i want to emphasize the importance of every man and woman -- black, brown, white, whatever your race may be -- now is the time for

texans to come together, to support each other, to help these families in need to stepsure that el paso is going forward that it needs to decades a man who has a passion for el a paso and the people of this -- el paso and the people of this town as your great mayor who will speak next. >> thank you, governor. we appreciate your attendance here under these circumstances. this is a tough time for 'em paso. el paso. something none of us would have ever imagined. my condolences and prayers go out to all of el paso as we mourn those who have been impacted by this tragedy. adair and i, with the rest of el paso, will pray for and mourn

those who we have lost. we will remember their lives and honor their memories together. our community will not be defined by this senseless, evil act of violence. we will be defined by the unity and compassion we showed in the wake of this tragedy. united, our community will heal. el passes sew is too strong -- el paso is too strong to be broken by a cowardly act like this one. i want to assure the el paso community that we are safe. we are safe. thank you to the el paso police department and our law enforcement partners for their swift response and assistance. i will now turn it over to chief allen for specifics. >> thank you, mayor. active shooter call went out

this morning to 911 at 10:39 a.m. police response, first officer on the scene was 10:45 a.m., a six-minute response time. from this shooter, we have 20 confirmed fatalities. and we have 26 wounded. the ages and the jenners of all these -- genders of all these people injured and killed are numerous in the age groups. the situation, needless to say, is a horrific one. crime scene is being assisted by the fbi, various law enforcement agencies responding to the scene, the sheriff's department, dps, border patrol, everyone that carries a bamming in this town pretty much -- badge in

this town pretty much showed up to that particular scene. needless to say, the scene is a horrific one because of the nature of the situation. the scene will be in play for a long period. unfortunately, the deceased remain at the scene until the scene is processed properly for evidentiary purposes to be gathered for later prosecution. the state of texas will be the lead agency or entity prosecuting this particular individual. it has a nexus at this point in time to a hate crime. the fbi will be looking into that with the other federal authorities. right now we're looking at potential capital murder charges for this individual. i'm not going to give you his name right now. he's a 21-year-old white male out of allen, texas. and with that, i'll -- i'm

sorry. turn this over to chief augustine whose personnel responded as well. >> thank you, chief allen. i want to highlight what the chief and our mayor were saying, and this incident happened this morning. it activated the whole system, and the system was successful. from the first calls that came into 911, getting crews on the scene within six minutes. we had hundreds of responders, not just local, but state and federal, as was said. as tragic as it is, i believe we had no first responders injured in today's events. but it does take a toll. i'd ask that the community keep their prayers not only with the victims and the families, but with the first responders as well. with that, i'm going to turn it over to fbi special agent in charge. >> thank you. my name is emerson buie. as a member of this community

for the last two years, words cannot express how i feel right now, because this community has embraced me with open arms. and i share the sentiments of everyone at the table as to how we all feel for the families and the victims today. the fbi has a federal law enforcement agency response for jurisdiction, has come in to assist with the other federal agencies as well as state and local agencies just to provide support in the investigation as this murder investigation continues as well as look at other aspects of the investigation that could potentially be looked at from a federal standpoint. the investigation is still early on. the primary concern, of course, is the victims, making sure they receive the care and courtesy that they deserve. and as we continue to move through this investigation, we will provide updates along with our other partners. >> we'll take a few questions.

[inaudible conversations] >> it would be best for the fbi to answer that question. >> [inaudible] >> first and foremost, i did not call it a crime. i said we're looking at other aspects to insure what potential violations are out there before we can label any type of investigation. we have to insure that the evidence and the precursors are there, and they have to be reviewed to make sure that we are executing and moving in the right direction. so at this point in time, we're reviewing all the evidence that we have collected so far. we're pursuing other leads. we have mobilized additional officers for assistance in that vein, and we will conduct investigations just like we have in other incidents. >> [inaudible] >> again, no.

right now it i investigation. there is potential for a number of different other typeses of violations, and we're reviewing all the evidence to make a determination as to what potentially else is out there in addition to the violations that have been stated that the local authorities are pursuing. and in that vein, we will assist them in that effort as we work together with state and local and other federal agencies all over the country to do, and we will keep you updated as the investigation proceeds. >> right now we have a manifesto from this individual that indicates to some degree, it has a nexus to a potential hate crime. didn't mean to step on the fbi's toes on that, but we are taking this down the road of simply a murder investigation with numerous casualtieses. and as i said, the state of texas will be the lead prosecuting agency in this. [inaudible conversations] >> pardon me, sir? well,ing i can't get into specifics on that right now because we have of to validate

for certainty that this was the manifesto from this individual that we've arrested. so with that in play, we still have to be aware of the fact that this person is still entitled to fair process as far as the law. we don't want to complicate that by making any statements right now that might be tainting the investigation. [inaudible conversations] >> [inaudible] >> would you mind repeating that? >> [inaudible] >> we're not able to ascertain that right now simply because hospitals will not release that information to us specifically. >> [inaudible] >> again, those are details that we're going to keep under play right now as far as the investigation goes. we have one weapon that was put on social media, i'm sure you're aware of that, which was an a

ak-47. we don't know if those pictures released in the social media were the actual individual's. so again, going back to fair process for this individual, we don't want to taint things by mart of factually saying thing -- matter-of-factly saying things right now. >> [inaudible] >> would you mind repeating that? >> [inaudible] >> capability of a weapon allowed that and then his intent. and then the location of where he chose was a walmart, a super mart where people are in large numbers there. so if you're firing randomly at people, you can cause a lot of

damage. again? >> [inaudible] >> no. again, the initial information coming in was several suspects. that information was put out to field. we had misleading information going to different locations as far as supermarkets, costco was one location, dillard's was another. everyone was responding to that. social media somewhat influenced that, but in the final analysis of all this, the suspect was arrested at sun mount and viscount -- >> [inaudible] >> i'm sorry? >> [inaudible] >> yes. >> [inaudible] the governor mentioned that he disarmed himself -- [inaudible] >> he surrendered to the approaching officers. >> [inaudible] >> i don't know that

matter-of-factly, but he surrendered to police upon being seen. >> [inaudible] >> right now we only have one. >> [inaudible] >> you're asking me for specifics right now. right now that's still under investigation. >> the manifesto is becoming increasingly common in the united states. what can we do to prevent this from happening -- [inaudible] >> that's for a psychologist to answer. that's something that is definitely, i think, in play, but that's beyond my skill sets. >> [inaudible] >> i only caught the preliminary -- >> do we train for active shooters. >> we train for active shooter events all the time. and as i said to my staff and the department, we train for this not expecting it to happen, but nonetheless, we have to prepare for it to happen.

and we try to get the community as much involved as we possibly can to events so that everyone is under, understanding >> this, responding to a situation like this, trying to make sure it doesn't happen again, is a replication of what we just went through during the last legislative session. it was may a year ago when we had the horrific tragedy of a shooting at santa fe high school that led to three days of hearings that i conducted at the capitol to get input from people who are educators, who are students, who are victims of shooting crimes as well as experts in all different kinds of fields to help us be able to strategize the best ways to keep students safe and to prevent incidents like that from happening again. that led to hearings that were conducted by the legislature before the session began, then additional hearings and then

legislation that was passed by the state of texas and is now law that includes bill after bill after bill that makes sure that we are doing more than ever before to keep students safe at school. during that time we did not, as far as i know, evaluate for and plan for an incident like this. that said, i can tell you that perhaps the most profound and agreed-upon issue that came out of all those hearings was the need for the state and for society to do a better job of dealing with challenging mental health-based issues. we know that's a component to shootings that take place in schools. i think it's a fact. probably is a component to any type of shooting that takes place including, for example, the shooting that took place in sutherland springs. bottom line is mental health is a large contributor to any type of violence or shooting

violence, and the state of texas passed a lot of legislation and. [inaudible conversations] >> [inaudible] the hate crime nexus. about thae rhetoric around -- [inaudible] >> so the question about the manifesto and this emerging narrative that we're seeing throughout our country as to domestic terrorism -- which is, you know, and obviously i want to say we don't know. we have to allow the investigation to continue. i respect the process, very much so. but without regard to this particular incident, not speaking about this particular

instance which is still under investigation, but the manifesto narrative, it's filed by hate. -- it's fueled by hate and bigotry and -- it's a very safe community. we've been safe for decades. we will continue to be safe. this is someone who came from outside of our community to do us harm. a community that has shown nothing but generosity and kindness to least among us. those people arriving at america's front door. and so we'll wait to see what happens with this investigation once we have a determination by law enforcement, then i think you will see a lot of us coming together to make some very strong statements. but for now we will met the investigation continue. we will let the investigation continue. >> let me just say one thing in

closing. to echo what congressman escobar said, this person did not come from el paso. it is not what we are about. we are a special community, and this would not have happened from an el pasoan, i can assure you. i want to thank the governor and other elected officials who have expressed their support here, and you may want to know if there are going to be any more updates on this, and i'm going to let chief allen close with that. >> we'll do another press conference if we find out anything different that we can expound upon later. i want to thank you all for coming. >> thank you. jon: so, obviously, shaken governor greg abbott, greg allen, the chief of police in el paso, texas. all holding a news conference to try to answer some of the

unanswerable questions; why does a 21-year-old white guy from allen, texas -- which is 660 miles to east of el paso -- why does he make his way three-quarters of the way across the state and open fire at a walmart if, killing, we understand, 20 people and wounding 26? they know his name, we know his name. we're not going to read his name. we're not going to ad him to that repulsive pantheon of school shooters or mass shooters that so plagues this country. this is the third incident of this kind in as many years in texas. you go back to terrible church shooting at the first baptist church in sutherland springs in november of 2017. then, as the police chief was mentioning, the santa fe high school shooting in suburban houston in may of last year, and now this year in el paso. twenty dead in and around a walmart and a shopping center there. steve rogers is with us.

as is bernard, a former special agent in charge with the atf faculty associated with the arizona state university school of criminology and criminal justice. bernard, i want to start with you. we know that the fbi is on the scene. we know that this guy is in custody. what are they asking him tonight? >> their immediate concern is going to be conspiracy, any other involvement, are there others out there, is this part of an extended plan. hard to imagine that being the case, but they have to get the satisfaction to know that they have the singular person responsible. that would be the immediate source of information of what they want to find out at this, right at this moment. jon: yeah. we heard that he posted a manifesto. that's what the authorities said. we don't know what's in it, but that does seem to be more and more common, these losers with some kind of an axe to grind put their gripes out there on the internet and then go shoot up a

place. >> i would argue that we have a social crisis. we have of a cultural social crisis right now in the united states that deals with a acute form of narcissism and the need for adoration. the murder of people and the notoriety that comes with it right now is their goal, and we have to expect that in large crowded, such as retail and sporting venues, there's going to be a continuation of this. there's other people that have this mental health crisis, societal crisis, and i think that's something that we're going to have to address as a country, as a society, as neighbors and citizens to find resolution to end this. because, obviously, the prosecution of a single individual for the murder of 18 people is no form of justice. jon: so you would agree, bernard, that putting his name out there is probably what he wants? he wants the notoriety? >> he wants the notoriety, and i would argue also that professing

some type of hate, an ideology is just a veneer, a justification for what they really want, which is an ego-driven, self-centered desire for adoration. jon: steve rogers, you've investigated a lot of crimes. is this kind of thing -- it seems like it is happening more and more often. we're getting copy cats of these mass shooters. >> well, jon, detective ted williams mentioned something very, very important earlier, and that was it could be a manifesto. and sure e earlier, why. so that a manifesto may have the reasons why this individual committed this crime, may give the police the motive and, boy, that leads them down a real good road as to putting all the pieces together. look, like the atf agent just said, let's eliminate any acts of terrorism, let's eliminate elements of this case that are

really not factual. what is factual is now they have a suspect in custody, and they have a manifesto which could lead to a motive. jon: but motive and manifesto doesn't help us prevent the next one, does it, steve? >> well, it doesn't, but i'll tell you what we can do. what we can do when it comes to prevention is, certainly, mental health is a tremendous, tremendous issue that we have to look down, tighten these soft targets into more hardened targets. and i've said it again, over and over again, our social media tech giants have to take some responsibility as to what they're posting online. look, i go online and beating up kids, fights in the street and on and on and on. which, in my view as a law