of the interview so emotionally excited about seeing their sons dreams come true. getting a homer in the bigs. most watched, most trusted, most grateful you spent your evening with us. good night from washington. i'm shannon bream. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." one thing about tragedies, they reveal people for who they are. in the past 24 hours, we've learned a lot about our media and political classes. over the weekend, our country endured two separate and horrifying mass shootings. one was in el paso, texas, the other, as you know, and dayton, ohio. between them, at least 31 people were murdered. two massacres back-to-back, so it's tempting to look for themes that connect them. they may exist but they are not political. one gunman appeared to be something of a right winger, the other supports elizabeth warren, so there is no obvious ideological lesson to draw l from all of this play tht

has not stopped the usual power-hungry morons trying to leverage human pain for political advantage. watch the vultures circle. >> you don't get mass shootings like these. you don't torch mosques. you don't put kids in cages until you have a president who has given people permission to do that and that is what is happening today. >> it's very clear that this kind of hate is being legitimized from on high. >> white supremacy is a domestic terrorism threat in the same way that foreign terrorism threatens our people. it is the responsibility of the president of united states to help fight back against that, not to wink and nod and smile and let it get stronger in this country. >> this echoes the kind of language that our president encourages.la >> i want to say with more moral clarity, that donald trump is responsible for this.

>> tucker: so 31 are dead tonight, and the only thing of these people can think about is how to terrify americans into voting for them. these are our so-called political leaders.ic they are disgusting. they are totally unimpressive, unequal to the task of fixing a society that on some ways, like today, for example, seems on the verge of collapse. maybe that is why they spent so much time trying to divert our attention from america's actual problems. they don't want to talk about what is making us sick. they have no answers.an they will tell you it's about trump organs or white white nationalism or russia! it's all a joke. these people are not serious.. they arere children. maybe tomorrow night we will join one of the debates and defend our century's bill ofof rights against the growing mob in washington and we will be happy to do that, by the way. we've done it before, we'll do it again. freedoms are always worthng defending. for tonight, for right now, we'd like to take a break from that, a respite from the partisan circuits to think more broadly about what is actually happening

here. nobody really believes this is about donald trump or assault weapons. if only, if only it were that simple.re our problems are far deeper than that. so what is the real diagnosis? one ofof our wisest cultural observers summed it up this way, "this is exactly what you get in a culture where everything goes and nothing matters.s extract all the meaning and purpose for being here on earth on earth and erase as many boundaries as you can from customs and behavior, and watch what happens. especiallyy among young men." he's right. young men are the problem. many of our boys are living what he describes as an abyss of missing social relations. no communities, and her father's criminal mentors, no initiations, no personal responsibility. no daily organizing principles. no instructions and usefulon r trade. no opportunities for love and affection. and no way out." so that's the real problem and every one of us knows it. our leaders are too cowardly to say so but the signs are everywhere. mass shootings are just thedl final manifestation of the

problem. suicide rates for young americans are the highest ever measured. millions are dependent on drugsr legal and illegal. 15% of all millennials live at home with their parents. 50 years ago, more than 80% of american adults this age were already married, living with a spouse. today, fewer than half adults between 25 and 34 are married. a huge proportion of american young people are not in any kind of relationship at all. so it's not surprising that millions of them feel helpless, miserable, and alone, because they are. they lack friends or parents or religious organizations to give purpose and moral coherence to their lives.iv they live in a suffocating culture that they feel nor control over. local identity and local institutions are the weakest they've ever been in this countrye most people think our democracy is fake because in some ways it is. the policies they live under, the jobs they hold, even their personal opinions are totally controlled by the tech monopolists, the media. people far away.

america is supposed to be a free country but millions of young people look around and they feel like they are trapped in a stagnant dystopia and in an environment like this, few people will lash out in violence. millions of others will simply fade away from suicide or overdose or diabetes. the real crisis, the one that produced these horrifying scenes on television over the weekend, is that. it's a long-term crisis. it's been unfolding for decades. washington is happy to pretend it's not happening at all but it is happening and you can't ignore it forever. andrew pollock is the father of a parkland shooting victim and is the author of "why meadow died." thank you very much for coming on. so, we wanted to take a break. thank you. we're going to dive into the pressures of gun control and media control and the internet and all that tomorrow night butk for right now, we just wanted to take a step back and ask the broader question, why do you think this is happening? i

mass shootings like this? >> well, in my point of view, it happens a lot with these kids and why they are juveniles of not showing them accountability when they are young. you know, you have to get these kids when they are still in high school or younger, when they are committing crimes, or show them, some of these kids need to be introduced to do judicial system in order to point them in the right direction and we lost that over the last years, accountability. that plays a big role in it and another big role is the media frenzy when something like this happens. like you say, if these politicians jumped on these events to push their political agendas, and the victims aren't even in the ground yet. they are not even buried and they are pushing an agenda without even looking at the facts of what went wrong. like with my daughter, every channel and every politician jumped on that bandwagon of gun control and i took a step b back

with some good friends of mine that are politicians, like rick scott in florida and ron desantis and we look at thet facts of what went wrong in florida and we are making a big difference in florida with making our community safer and our schools. so i say you have to take a step back, let the police do their job, look into what happened so we can prevent future shootings, but by just pushing an agenda, that's not going to solve anything and they are pretty pathetic, and like you call them, morons. that's the way i look at them also. >> tucker: i think it's literally true in a lot of cases but also, shameless morons. demagogues. what is it like to be the parent of a shooting victim and watch the death of the child beingng leveraged by politicians and the media as some sort of politicale talking point or a metaphor for a power grab? what do you think of that? >> to tell you the truth, thereu is no words that i could put on it to tell you how it

affected me when my daughter got murdered. my daughter was a victim. that's why i'm so damaged of what happens with these people and i take it so personal, when i think of somebody sitting in that walmart, hoping to get saved like in el paso and there's no one coming into save you. they're just sitting there, like my daughter did on the third floor.ng so to push a gun control agenda and take our rights away from victims, i'm not going to be a victim. no one's going to take my rights away from me. i want to be there to help. i want to be there for my loved ones. i couldn't be there for my daughter, and my daughter just got shot at point blank like a lot of these other victims. so to me, it's very important that we are able to defend ourselves in a mass shooting situation. and, to tell you about how i feel, i might as well have been shot that february 14th with my daughter because my life, it's over once you bury a child.

you are never the same when you bury a child and i wish there were words of encouragement to anyone in these mass shootings that are burying a child orse someone they love the really, it's a pain that you just learned that you have to live with. and that's it. that's it for the rest of your life. >> tucker: yeah, there is no answer to that as well. but as to why this is happening and the phenomenon which is accelerating, of mass shootings, do you think that we are addressing the root causes of it? >> there's a lot, one of the causes they think is there there is no fear is of consequence when they make these horrific crimes. my daughter's murderer is still waiting in a cell waiting to go to trial. i think we need to expedite in situations like these mass shooters. i don't think we need to wait two years for a trial. i think we could have a trial within a month and just execute these people where there is a consequence. to go to prison, to these evil people, which they are evil, it

doesn't seem like there's a consequence and accountability when they are younger. some of these kids need the right direction in life and if you don't hold them accountablet when they are younger, just sets them up for failure, so mentalal illness is a big thing too with these young kids, so there is numerous things that we could be doing if we just look into the facts and don't push an agenda. >> tucker: i think that's exactly right. thank you for that. i appreciate it. so, as is the case after almost all of these shootings, in the case of the dayton shooting the other day, people came forward to describe years and years ofhe frightening behavior by the apparent shooter, connor betts. clearly mental illness is a major component in a lot of these violent rampages. the fbi said that 70% of mass shooters show signs of mental illness. it is never discussed on television for some reason and that's a shame. a retired fbi criminal profiler, he's the author of the bookr,

"series: journey to the center of the mind." he joins us tonight. thanks very much for coming on tonight. so mental illness, almost seems like by definition, plays a role in the shootings, a central role. is it a specific kind of mental illness? >> i'm going to answer that, but real quick, hats off and kudos to the officers who responded to the scene. i watched some of your show last week with the officers and you water sprayed on them while the officers in el paso and dayton certainly used their self-control to minimize the situations in both of those places so hats off again to them. >> tucker: amen. >> there have been studies over recent years, certainly by the fbi, my former unit, and some of the folks i used to work with there, who did a very excellent study about these exact type of shootings. active shooters, mass shooters, what have you. and at least 64 of those different instances, about 65% of those cases there was some

component of a mental health issue. whether it's been previously diagnosed or not, that's another story, but these weren't necessarily the people that were suffering from psychosis or deep schizophrenia where they were bundled up in a corner in the fetal position. these were people who can function every day, they had some depression issues and anxiety and certainly paranoia but they basically function in society, they looked and walked and talked like you and i, but just at some point, something clicked within them, a bunch of factors came together in their heads, outside, external stimuli, and they decided to act as they did and as we've seen in the last week, three separate shooting incidents. >> tucker: so is there some comprehensive effort to figure out what went wrong mentally, what the signs are of someone who is exhibiting behavior that could ultimately become dangerous? as opposed to someone who is

just eccentric or sad? i mean, is there any attempt to really systematically figure this out?e. >> well, sure. a lot of people are eccentric and a lot of people are sad in this country and for that matter around the world. it's not limited to just the u.s. the biggest mass shooting of all was in sweden in 2011 so we had christchurch and of course, sri lanka earlier this year and unfortunately these things happen worldwide. and not everyone who has some sort of a mental illness or even an issue in that regard is going to react violently as these people do. it has to be a combination of all of the planets aligning and their moons aligning, i'm talking from the mental t health perspective, with external stimuli, with access to weaponry, with other small peer groups that basically are bubbles of the same kind of people who think the way they do and then again, throw in this mental health issue, with perhaps lack of parental background, perhaps lack of other intimate relationships with people, and tucker, something i haven't heard anyone

talk about in these three shootings is the phenomenon of incel, in voluntary celibacy. i can't rule out that thesei people, if they don't want to admit it or write about it in their alleged manifestoes, perhaps they are also suffering from this and that is that young men who don't feel qualified to be dating or in intimate relationships with women they like, they take it out on other people. they may camouflage it and they say it's about mexicans evading our country or a guy actually shooting at his sister and her boyfriend, what's that all about? this crazy misogynistic type music. so there's all kinds of complex factors here that can't be ruled out yet. it's way too early in these three shootings but i wouldn't be surprised if something like incel played a role in it, and it did with the unabomber we found out years later, although that term wasn't around back then.

>> tucker: yeah, it's not enough to just dismiss it as toxic masculinity and tell men to shut up. there is a huge problem with young american men and nobody wants to deal with it and clearly we need to. thank you very much.u good to see you. >> you are welcome. >> tucker: democratic socialists could soon control the whole country. they are moving very close to controlling the democratic i party. what would america be like if the democratic socialist of america, a convention they tried to ban clapping. the footage is unbelievable. a glimpse at our future, redhead beard also, the long-awaited return of the mark stein. he is back from wherever he went and we are grateful. stay tuned. ♪ ♪[upbeat music]

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♪ >> tucker: the democratic socialists of america held their annual convention in atlanta over the weekend. as you might expect from a socialist event, there were hints of totalitarianism from the very beginning. upon arrival, socialists were giving the rules, no clapping, no talking to cops, and no aggressive centers. >> first of all, in this room, i see that no one is clapping for me. it could be because i'm not engaging but it also is because everyone is doing this and that's really important because those loud bursts of noise, even though this is a noisy space, when we can do something like reducing that, that's really important. you have to have your credentials at all times. we are not trying to beer jerks. but there are right-wing infiltrators who are trying to get in here. don't really talk to anybody who doesn't have a credential. don't talk to cops.de

don't talk to maga [bleep] we are almost there. there is also in piedmont a, complete with a quiet room. one thing to note there, don't go into that space with anything that's an aggressive scent for instance. try to be chill.l. take a deep breath, feel better, before you say anything. >> tucker: at a traditional socialist convention, comrades would applaud stalin, for example, for half an hour. but at the dsa convention, they were obediently silent. >> could you all get if one more round of asl applause for our fantastic speakers? we are so lucky to have you in the socialist movement. >> tucker: but for some, the silence wasn't enough. when the floor was open for comments, the complaints began to roll in. watch this. >> quite a privilege. guys, first of all, i just want to say can we keep the chatter to a j minimum.

i'm one of those people who is prone to sensory overload. there's a lot of whispering and chatter going on and it's making it difficult for me to focus. keep please can we just -- can we just keep the chatter to a minimum. it's affecting my ability to focus. thank you. >> thank you, comrade. >> point of personal privilege. please do not use gendered language to address everyone. >> tucker: no gendered language! the guy or person we should say, complaining about sensory overload was a guy called james jackson. he's a self-described socialist from sacramento. jackson was complaining about the noise but it seemed to be a theme for the weekend. >> i've already asked people to be mindful of the chatter ofof their comrades who are sensitive to sensory overload and that goes double for the heckling anm the hissing. it is also triggering to my anxiety. it isn't just for keeping things civil or whatever. so that people are going to get

triggered and so that it doesn't affect their performance as a delegate. >> tucker: it used to be when the proletariat gathered for a convention, they talked about how to liberate the proletariat. but now, they talk aboutut triggering james' anxiety. things have changed aa lot. we will have more of that video in just a moment but first tonight, angela is the author of the book "kill all normies." she is a keen observer of the political left, a member of it, in fact, she joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. so, i want to be fair and obviously there are freaks at every political event but i don't think that james jackson from sacramento is every democratic socialist, but i'm wondering, how influential is this group on the left right now? is it worth paying attention to what they say at their convention? >> definitely.

cranks have always been around on the left, orwell wrote about this a long time ago. but the difference here, i suppose, is that it was a relatively small organization. its original founding hadn't -- michael harrington was one of the founders. he had roots and one of the catholic worker's movements so it's changed a lot over the last two years. and there was a huge influx of people after the 2016 election and part of the dsa's, the idea of the dsa, i guess, is that they do want to influence the democratic party. they want to be kind of an external left wing, if you like, of the democratic party and you can see how they have influenced its ideas. many of their economic ideas are ones that i totally support and are actually very popular. medicare for all, a wealth

tax, and so on. and actually, if they would just stick to those economic issues,y they would kind of have this in the bag because they have a whole set now of issues that the public has moved to the left on, on o economics. the problem is, they have to wrap it in this stuff that you've just seen to the point where, for example, if i tried to join the dsa, i'm sure they would screech me out of the place. i wouldn't be able to. i know so many people who have left who were members before this influx happened. they had this culture of purging everyone but this is something that seems to happen to every campaign on the left and every organization on the left. >> tucker: i would think, what's so baffling is they are socialist. democratic socialist. so they claim they are nontotalitarian. so you would think they're in it main concern would be the plight of working peoplee who really are in trouble in america. look at the suicide rate, we talked about it in the open. and yet, when they get up there, it seems like a bunch of rich kids almost in therapy whining about their triggers and their

anxieties and their gender, like, who cares? these don't seem like people who are concerned about america's working class to me. >> yeah, i watched some of the full clip and they were talking a lot about their invisible disabilities. because, of course, you can't say that they don't have one. you just have to allow them to shout at you and, you know, the only invisible disability they have is bourgeois narcissism. >> tucker: [laughs] bourgeois narcissism. i mean, i don't think, if i spent a year trying to think of a better description i could come up with anything more precise than that. can you just savor for 20 seconds the irony of a group of democratic socialists besot with bourgeois narcissism? >> i know. but i'm sure for people on the right, this is hilarious and it's probably gold but, for me, i just find it unbearably sad because i've seen this happen over and over again, countless

political parties and campaigns. it seems to be almost impossible for good people within the organization to stand up to these people and stop it happening and now, it's too late. could any normal person sit in that room? i don't think so. >> tucker: no. no. great to see you tonight. thank you. so, if lenin or trotsky had signed up to rally at the dsa convention, they probably wouldn't have been allowed to take the stage as one person explained, the right to speak at the convention is determined based on sex and skin color. >> marshals will be at each mic to kind of negotiate progressive stack. we know that not everyat oppression is visible so, you know, we will have people at each mic to think about who is already spoken before, gender, race, ability, orientation, and more.

>> tucker: barf. so if you are a regular viewer of the show, you have noticed there's been something missing r for the past couple of months. probably our favorite guest,r mark steyn, has not been on this program.m. we practically had to send liam neeson out to track him down and return him but mark steyn is back with us tonight and we are grateful for. welcome back, mark. >> hi, great to be back. yeah, liam neeson rescued me from a bunch of albanians who have been holding me. it's "taken 12" coming to thee multiplex near you anytime soon. >> tucker: [laughs] good. i will be first in line. what do you make of this? the democratic socialists of america seem like they have been taken over by a bunch of trustafarians from brooklyn. do you think that's what has happened? >> yeah, sometimes you see mass movements that actually dwindle into niche markets. it happens a lot on broadway, for example.

it used to be the mainstream of american popular culture and then became a little boutique thing. same thing happened with jazz and these guys have gone the same way and in fact, they are using the same choreography. those jazz hands. i don't understand whye clapping -- you've been talking about real problems with men in america. we are now watching a political convention where clapping is so triggering, everybody has too make jazz hands like campz assistant choreographers rehearsing some number from "hello dolly." a i find jazz hands triggering because it reminds me of old time nanny singers so it's like being at a convention of the virginia democrat governor and the governor and all the rest of them all doing their many songs. this is the degeneration. socialism slaughtered millions. they couldn't slaughter anybody.

they are not serious socialists. >> tucker: [laughs] we have really missed you. yet, as angela said -- i think it's a fair point -- and this is why it's worth taking a look at -- they do have a affect on the mainstream of the democratic party. i mean, they are using language that unfortunately elizabeth warren uses. or beto o'rourk, or thatiz booker kid from new jersey. they seem to be cribbing theirom notes from the dsa. >> yeah, i think that's what angela got wrong. no one is interested in, youla know, the controlling heights of the economy. this nonsense is actually what they are about and if you listen to the democrat debate, which i watched from thousands of miles away so it seemed even weirder, cory booker at one time said we don't talk enough about trans americans and in particular, we don't talk enough about african-american trans people.t i want to make sure i get this right. african-american trans americans. and of course, the answer to that is that on these terms, you can never talk enough about

african-american trans americans. this obsession with boutique demographics, which they take as seriously, it's basically like "downtown abbey" for progressives. does the second son of the viscount get to sit to the younger daughter of the marques marquess. i am a white woman of privilege, so i have to sit down with the far end of the table, because an african-american trans-american nonbinary person gets to sit at the head of the table. they take it all seriously, the presidential candidates take it all seriously, it's an alternative reality that they have successfully created. >> tucker: it is boring as hell. if only they would spend 4 minutes telling us what they think of the federal reserve bank that, i would be interested. mark steyn -- >> they have never heard of the federal reserve. great to be back with you,

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>> tucker: you may have never heard of the name saikat chakrabarti, but he's had a huge effect on american politics because he has had a huge effect on congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. he has been her chief of staff, he led the group that created the green new deal, and later admitted that the green new deal had nothing to do with anything green. it wasn't about the environment, it was a pretext for taking over the u.s. economy, but as or a rhetorical device, it has been effective. he thought that up apparently. then he lobbed attacks at nancy pelosi and called her racist and now, he's gone. he abruptly resigned from congress last week. we don't know exactly why but according to one report, he is under investigation for possible

campaign finance. we thought it was worth learning more about. the associate editor of "the city journal" joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. what you think this is about? >> welcome on one hand, as people pointed out, he did run afoul -- his boss did run afoul of r speaker pelosi. he was criticizing her openly and so on one level, he has clearly been sacrificed in order to show ocasio-cortez's good faith with leadership. on the other however, he apparently set up several llcs to go along with the pacs that he had formed. these very left wing action committees. which had been set up after the bernie sanders campaign ofer 206 to advance hard left candidates for congress. but it seems that he, you know, fiddled with the accounts a little bit. $3 million came in and he put a million dollars into these private corporations.

now, an interesting thing that has not been reported so far as, i know is that the way he made his money was as the chief engineer for the company stripe which is a major multibillion-dollar payment processing company so, and they have accounts with both the rnc and the dnc so if you go on to -- >> tucker: wait a second! for a second. you said it this guy is a serious left-winger right?le he's mr. power to the people, popular leftist. and yet, he doesn't come out of the trades, he was in a pipe fitter, he wasn't a union electrician, he was somete wall street parasite and then he worked for a tech company and made millions doing that.. how did he -- >> yeah, he is a silicon valley guy. >> tucker: huh. so he's basically just another rich guy lecturing us about how the economy is unfair. is that what you're saying? >> well, he's a rich guy withe the specific technical knowledge

of how payment processing works, how political contributions are processed, and i assume, how money can be moved from one place to another discreetly, if not secretly. so i think that all of this is probably going to come out.y. i'm not exactly sure where -- how he moved money around or what the implications are but certainly he must have a great deal of inner knowledge aboutt political contributions and i would think this is going to be a major story. >> tucker: i think so, too. this guy is smart. that's not to take anyway anything away from alexandria ocasio-cortez, who is rumored to be a genius but i think he was a big part of her political position. that's my two cents. >> it seems like there he was her svengali. >> tucker: it does seem that way. we will find out. good to see you. so, late last year, the creepy porn lawyer announced that he was not going to inflict a

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correspondent trace gallagher has the latest on that story. potrace? >> tucker, it began friday evening with the shooting of a 5-year-old boy and by the time monday morning rolled around, chicago had recorded its most violent weekend of the year. 55 shootings, seven of them fatal, and during one two-hour stretch, 17 people were shot. in one of the shootings, the witness recorded the rapid gunfire on their cell phone and it lasted nearly a minute. so many ambulances flooded chicago's mount sinai hospital, they had to be turned away and sent to other trauma centers. here is the mayor of chicago with an interesting summation. watch. >> we spent over the years probably, hundreds of millions of dollars policing on the west side. cpd, federal and state law enforcement, and we have barely moved the needle. >> except the needle is moving in the wrong direction. so far this year, 1600 people have been shot in chicago and 300 of them fatally and it's

august. meantime, this weekend in baltimore, the group baltimore cease-fire called for 72 hours of calm. they got 72 hours of gunshots and the city recorded its 200th homicide of the year. so far in 2019, shootings in baltimore up 28% and the city is on pace to have its fifth consecutive year of 300 plus murders. even worse, the city of baltimore is on track to have itsf deadliest year in more than a decade. tucker? >> tucker: trace gallagher, thanks a lot for that.n well, what has been a decade-long rivalry with china has escalated into a full-blown trade war. it appears that way, in any case. today, china devalued its currency in response to tariffs imposed by our president. in response to that, ofse the president tweeted this "china is intent on continuing to receive the hundreds of billions of dollars they've been taking from the u.s. with unfair trade practices

and t currency manipulations. soit one sided it shouldn't have have been stopped many years ago." author of the book, gordon chang, the "coming collapse of china," he joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. markets today reacted with what appeared to be panicked, or at least a pretty profound readjustment downward on the face of what some are calling a trade war. is it a trade war? is the market's response justified and should we be concerned? >> yeah, there's been a trade war but it's been one that the chinese started and have been waging since the early 1990s. it's only recently that the united states has responded in any meaningful way. of course, the markets don't like turbulence, but what they should be doing is going up because right now, we are adefending our economy for the first e time in a very long tim. so i think this is really good news for us. of course, the markets don't like it.

>> tucker: how much more pain do you think american investors are going to suffer before thisle levels out? >> we will suffer a little bit more because, you know, we are imposing tariffs, there will be slight increase in consumer prices, but with the devaluation that china has, and this is really significant because it's gone under that 7-1, the chinese currency to the u.s. currency mark, this means essentially that goods are going to become a lot cheaper for the united states. also, because of these tariffs that the u.s. has been imposing, and these are tariffs for a remedy as for the theft of intellectual property, as the result of these tariffs, factories are going to move from china which means were going to no longer be vulnerable to these chinese retaliation and to chinese theft of u.s. ip. >> tucker: so that really was my next question. how much has china suffered as a result of these actions?

this administration's actions? >> i think they have suffered greatly. their economy was ailing anyway because the chinese ruler's maoist policies of state domination. r also, just too much debt. but what trump's tariffs have done is to cause the loss of confidence. so i think that that is in a sense a good thing because they are waging this trade war against us, we have to protect ourselves and we really have no choice. so we are not driving this, tucker. the chinese are driving this. we've got to respond. >> tucker: when you see political figures on television or news anchors in effect acting as political figures saying that this is a disaster, it's caused by the united states, what is your response to that? >> that's a hundred percent wrong. i mean, nobody in the u.s. wants to have this trade friction, but china has forced us into it.ts china steals somewhere between i hundred and 50 to $600 billion a year of u.s. intellectual property. the tariffs that president trump imposed last year and will again

impose this year are a remedy for that theft. i mean, we have no choice. so our backs are against the wall because we have an innovation-based economy. if we can't commercialize our intellectual property, we do not have an economy of the 21st century. >> tucker: exactly. exactly right. it's funny though in washington, as you well know since you lived there, the one thing you are not allowed to do is fight back. that's over the top. interesting. gordon chang, great to see you tonight. thank you. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: well, bill de blasio has already easily secured the post as the worst mayor in the history of new york city. possibly of the world. but he is not resting on his laurels. oh, no. now, mayor de blasio has been caught using the nypd as his personal moving company. details on that story, with melissa francis, after the break. ♪ most of france and, after the break. it is when you're not able to smile, you become closed off. i felt withdrawn, alone...

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♪ tucker: bill de blasio is already polling dead last in the democratic presidential race. it's well deserved, of course. he is the worst mayor in the country and one of the worst people in this country. at this point maybe he thinks he has nothing to lose. why merely be dad when he could try to be the worst of all time? that would explain this. according to the "new york daily news," de blasio ordered the nypd to move his daughter out of her apartment. melissa francis cohosts "outnumbered" here on fox news as well as "after the bell." she joins us tonight. melissa, listen, i know bill de blasio hates the nypd because they are racist and dangerous, why would he want dangerous racists around his daughter? >> it's not even like they were providing security detail or something like that.

he used our tax dollars and two sprinter vans to go over to her apartment and the security detail went in and carried her socks and shoes and books and whatever else down to the van and moved her to her new home. this is according to multiple people who saw it in the night and o to kind of couldn't beliee it. they also confirmed that with others that were on his staff wouldn't want to go on record but couldn't believe this kind of thing happens, it goes back to the idea that he really thinks there is one set of rules for the whole world and another one for him. like when he said, "everyonery n their own life has to change their own habits to start protecting the earth." this is about him being the big green mayor. "you in your own life have to change things to protect the earth." meanwhile, it is well-known, and he doesn't even disguise, that every day he gets a group of gas guzzling suvs to charlotte and from his mansion in manhattan all the way over to brooklyn so that he can work out on a treadmill. now, no doubt he passes about 550,000 gyms on the way to the one that he has to go to in brooklyn while he takes that drive and pollutes the environment with his suvs. people have called him on it and

he just doesn't care. even scarier though, his wife has a charity called thrive and they were at a city council meeting recently and they were questioning her about the fact that he is awarded her over a billion dollars over his term and she can't provide receipts over where that money has gone and she can provide any measurable results of how it's improved the lives of new yorkers. when you boil it all down to the quality of life for the de blasio family has gone up, where the quality of life for other families in new york has gone down. our tax dollars go up. it's crazy. >> tucker: if only you had a big nationally circulated daily newspaper that you could splash something across the front page and hold p him accountable, wouldn't that be nice? >> in fairness, "the new york times" has written a bunch about his wife and their charity. that's really serious. that's a lot of money and that needs to be investigated but the

fact that he does these other little things, like talkingt about the green new deal and green new york and attacking president trump and saying you can't build these buildings while he has this fleet of suvs so ironically taking him to work out, like, go out and run down the street. run the 12 h miles. take the subway. it's disgusting, just like you said. >> tucker: meanwhile, this is what's happening, just in case you've forgotten, to his cops. the nypd officers, as they walk down the street of new york, they are attacked with impunity. melissa francis, thank you for that update. >> good to see you. >> tucker: it's worth knowing. great to see you. thank you very much. unbelievable. bill de blasio, i guess the good news is, if bill de blasio can have a paying job, there's hope for all of us. we are out of time for tonight. good news is, we will be back tomorrow and every night at 8:00 p.m. the show that is the total and sincere, sworn, in fact, enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness, and groupthink.

dvr it. if you can figure that out, you get a merit badge. by the way, we are doing y some live events and you are welcome to those. you can find tickets on outuckercarlson.com. have a great night. sean hannity is next. be to >> sean: all right, by the way, the mayor of new york will come on the show and i'm going to b give him a chance to express his views. >> tucker: [laughs] good for you. >> sean: this is an opportunity for him. listen, i want him to explain it. i want these candidates to explain it. give him a chance. and i will be fair unless he forces me to go into 25 years worth of experience and then i will have to unload but i prefer not to. i'd rather have people hear from him and be fair. that'sig what i'm trying to do. all right, tucker, thank you. figures, he wants a fight. all right, tonight we start this program, we really need to pray for every single person, every family, every neighbor, everybody that was impacted by