thank you. thank you so much, the shipper baron as always, the story goes on. we will see you back here tomorrow night at 7:00. have a good night, everybody. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to tucker carlson tonight. 12 words become incitement? at what point do political attacks become so unhinged that you can no longer healed the divide with politics and forced people toward something darker? it's hard to know exactly when that point is, but the left is getting very close to it. we can give you many examples of this. we can began with last night on msnbc. he is accusing the president of the united states of sending secret messages to neo-nazis. speak of these people feel that they are the foot soldiers and

executives of what the disenfranchisement that the white race is feeling. donald trump is giving them subliminal orders in their head. >> tucker: subliminal orders. whatever is false, you can be certain that donald trump is doing that. he is the most subliminal politician in american history. he has no subtext. that's part of a problem. of course, if he's thinking it, he saying it. the claim is ludicrous, but it msnbc, it wasn't even the weirdest thing on their air yesterday. he used numerology toward to en the president's coded messages. keep in mind that it is entirely real. >> it is the little things and language and messaging that matters. the president said that we will fly our flags at half mast until

august 8th. that's eight -- eight. i'm not going to imply that he did this deliberately, but i am using it as an example of the ignorance of the adversary. they are very significant in the neo-nazi and white supremacy movement. why? the h is the eighth letter of the alphabet. to them, the numbers 8-8 stand for hail hitler. >> tucker: you got that? eight is a racist number. that is what they are telling you on the left. on monday, wallace explained that president trump is planning a of hispanic-americans. watch this. >> the invasion, words like infestation. what do you do with an infestation? with an infestation, the logical conclusion is to attempt and extermination.

>> he tried to pass comprehension immigration refor reform. you now have a president, as you said, talking about exterminating letting us >> tucker: not all latinos believe in open borders. a lot of them don't. and now, the left is now telling you and demanding that you believe that anyone who supports donald trump is a white supremacist and must be destroyed. they are telling you this for political reasons. they want more political power. but there are other reasons too that they are saying this. ever wonder why rich people seem the most hysterical on the subject? ever notice that it is the highest-paid people on television who are the most determined to tell you that what supremacy is america's biggest problem? every moment you're worried about race is the moment where

you are not thinking about clas class. they have all of lot more common with each other than they do at anchors at msnbc. if you think about that long enough, . they whip you into a frenzy of racial fear so that it never enters your mind. everyone hates each other and they could to keep their money. pretty tricky. unfortunately, it's also destroyed the country. so we want to take a second to pass on a sincere message. it's this. please, for the sake of the nation, calm down. yes, america has problems. yes, racism is one of america's problems. but so is a fading middle-class. so is a drug epidemic that's killed hundreds of thousands of americans. so is the national debt.

these are huge problems. and people know that. people know their country is in decline. it's making them turn to new political leaders. donald trump is one of those leaders. elizabeth warren, alexandria ocasio-cortez are a couple of others. this is a time of frustration and is the time of change. it's a hard time for america. but this country is not on the brink of. it's not even close to that. this is not a white supremacist country, plotting the slaughter of its own people. it's a kind country, full of decent people of all races, who like all people everywhere make bad decisions from time to time. but they mean well, and they generally try their best. so going forward, give them the benefit of the doubt. even when you disagree with them, may be especially when disagree with them. these are your fellow americans. cut them a break. they deserve it. remember, the alternative is disaster. he writes about media for the hill. he meets with us tonight.

i don't want to increase the temperature. i am out race. sometimes i regret it. i have to say that accusing your political opponent of wanting to commit or sending secret messages to the, it does seem. >> i would argue, tucker, that yesterday was the lowest point in msnbc's 23 year history. another example you provided from nicole wallace and that analyst later on, brian williams, a morning joe, who said that the president of the united states wants mass shootings to happen. wants to see the american carnage and slaughter of american men, women, and children. no one on the set, not one person could step it up and say that is too much. that is too much. as you mentioned, nicole

wallace, a former munication's director the bush administratio administration, saying that latinos are going to be exterminated. obviously, that whole nonsense around august 8th, sending. alex jones was watching that and saying, boy, it even to me, that sounds a little crazy. here's what has to happen. this is the only way this gets solved. brian roberts is a ceo of comcast. comcast owns nbc universal. universal nbc news has and he lacked. he needs to get every important person into a room and say this is enough. you will be fired or suspended if you peddle in these conspiracy theories. i think this was about six years

ago said that people should on sarah palin. this wasn't something said in the heat of battle, passion. it was vetted and scripted. he was fired from the network. when nicole wallace says something like that, where you have on the brian williams show something that come are you kidding me. that if the president re-raises flags, that that's a signal to neo-nazis? these people should not be on the air saying that. this is the kind of thing that divides the country. >> tucker: this seems like it's moving toward something awful. i sure hope i'm wrong. castro was not backing out at all after his decision to target his constituents for backing a candidate he doesn't like. he accuses them of being complacent in murder motivated by racism. watch this. >> there are people right now that are living in fear, and i don't think the president understands that. i don't think his donors understand it. but the need to understand what

their money is going to. you are giving money for someone who's going after a community, and people have gotten killed because of that. unless you support the white nationalism and the racism that donald trump is paying for and fueling, then i hope that you as a person of good conscience will think twice about contributing to his campaign. >> tucker: it's one of the sickest things i've ever seen on television. look, i get why people don't like trump. i get why people don't like his rhetoric. fine. but to say that anybody who disagrees with my politics is a white supremacist, which is the worst thing you could be, it's too freaking far actually. >> look. i think your introduction was good. i think the call for de-escalation is good. i think it is touring the country apart while we are ignoring other issues. i think your introduction could

have included an urging to the president to also tone down the language, to try to tone down what has been, i think incendiary name-calling towards immigrants. that has also played a role. the problem with the left and the right is it's all the what about it some. the right always says, well look at the extremist overreaction on the left. there has been extremist overreaction on the left. >> tucker: i don't like the tweets. i have never liked the tweets. >> i think the president's rhetoric has played a role in what has been a disastrous kind of civic situation that we have right now. that's not to say that the last dozen left doesn't overreact. it's the extreme voices that are always getting the attention. >> tucker: this castro character is a potential candidate. his brother, who tweeted that out, is a member of congress. these are not even cable news

employees. these are the cabinet secretary and the sitting member of congress beard i mean, these are leaders. >> this kind of tweeting and identifying, and naming and shaming of. why should this be any differen different? that would be my response. my response is that you are dealing with an incendiary situation right now, and it's time for people on both sides to tone down the language grade the last thing we want to see is another tragedy. >> tucker: here's what's happening. trump has said things that are imprecise that i disagree, with that i think are inflammatory. but here's what he hasn't done. that's too far. if you are supporting donald trump, you are a white supremacist? if you don't agree with me, you are a? that is the beginning of civil war. >> tucker: yeah.

lincoln's famous words, nobody wanted more to come, but war came. we are headed towards, i think we are in a political civil war right now. that's bad for the country. really bad for the country. i think that people on both sides have a responsibility. i think it is important to say that some of the president's language and some of the president's rhetoric has given encouragement to extremists on the right. that is true. >> tucker: hold on. i don't like alexandria ocasio-cortez. i think she's dom and i think her policy positions are wrong. you can be a good person. you just disagree with me. >> i think some of the

presidents language has given encouragement to extremists. it's unfair to say that everybody who supports the president is a white supremacist or a bad person. people have all sorts of reasons for supporting him. it unnecessarily polarizes and it's this kind of culture of contempt, where everybody on the other side is an evil person. that is toxic fine. >> tucker: i just want to be very clear about something that i think i wasn't clear on. those tweets, calling out the donors to trump from texas, those came from the congressman. his brother is running for president. i want to be totally clear about that. thank you for that. okay. all right. >> tucker: far more americans are in danger. there's a lot of it. larry elder joins us and asked

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it goes on for almost a minute. the gunfire leaving a 33-year-old man dead. 48 wounded over the weekend. many on the west side. >> those seven murders pushed chicago to over 300. most have occurred and . chicago has the most violence in the country, but it's not exceptional. smaller cities, baltimore, to detroit are even more dangerous. it's totally real, and it's ignored. he joins us. things a lot for coming on. you can deplore and be upset about mass shootings, which i think more and more people are, and still asked the question, why is the day-to-day carnage ignored? what's the answer question which they go well, it's a big question. 17,000 homicides last year.

half of those were by black people against black people. the number one cause, preventable death for black men is homicide. the number one cause for them white men is car accidents. 20% of black men have records as opposed to white men. jesse jackson and al sharpton. both of them have had either nonexistent relationships or poor relationships with their own fathers. his mother got pregnant by a married man next door. he ain't got no daddy. jessie and got no daddy. down to the ghetto he went. i mentioned that, because 70% of black kids are raised without fathers. obama said a kid without a that is five times more likely to be poor. the number one problem in this

country is being ignored. >> tucker: why, i wonder. because if you cared, i don't really think there's a lot of debate among sociologists there. there are studies for a hundred years. they all point to the stomach exactly the same. speak of the left not. in 1940, for example, 14 kids were born outside of wedlock. now, it's 70%. i argue that the welfare state has incentivized women to marry the government. i've helped to create this problem. what do i need to do? the answer is to undo the welfare state. we know that the welfare state creates dependency. what happened? welfare declined by 50%. you can't blame that just on a good economy. what happened is people got off the couch. what we've done is distorted people's incentive with the

welfare state. that requires a real big discussion that people on the left do not want to have. >> tucker: we should be having that, because it matters. the new york city department of health is now going after the city's police. the city's health commissioner publicly announced that interacting with law enforcement in any capacity is damaging people's health. patience who suffered the trauma of interacting with the justice system. what do you make of that? what's the long-term effect of an announcement like that? >> it's a horrific lie. there was just a paper published in the journal in the national academy of science. a police shooting, i think it was in the year 2015. every single police shooting in the country. it didn't matter. there was no pattern of discrimination whatsoever. that was written by a black

harvard economist, who also thought he was going to find a disproportionate. he found the opposite. that police were more hesitant, more reluctant to pull the trigger on black people. it causes young black men to be more confrontational instead of cooperating. it causes the cops to pull back for fear that they will be called racist. outside of ferguson, where cops pulled back, and the very people who the left claim to care about, they became victimized. it is a lie. >> tucker: yeah. and the usual people suffer. no one actually cares about. larry, good to see you tonight. >> you've got it. thanks for having me. >> tucker: mostly from democrats, but also from some republicans for new uncontrolled measures. demanded outright gun compensation

confiscation. thanks a lot for coming on. we don't agree on much. i think you are a man of good faith. i love having you on the show, but we disagree on most issues. you said something really interesting to me, and i wanted you to explain it more fully to our audience. >> there are some common sense measures that i think makes sense. even limiting the capacity of a magazine. we saw in california where a guy had a 75 round drum connected to his weapon. i'm against that. i don't think that we need that i think we need background checks. when we look at the history of gun control in this country, it has been to keep guns out of the hands of black people. i would point anyone to adam winkler's work out of ucla. it was to keep hands out of both

enslaved and free african people. and then you go to roger, who wrote the infamous dred scott. one of the things that he said was that he didn't think that black people had rights that white people could respect, in part, because he thought that if you extended those rights, that they would have the rights to carry and own guns. the ku klux klan, the terrorist group, conservative group. >> tucker: democratic party. i'm sane, they were democrats. >> at the same time, they were advocates of gun control. so obviously, when you look at the history of the issue, i think that african-american people should be a little leery about people wanting to come around and take their guns. >> tucker: do you think? [laughs] yeah. i'm sorry to laugh, but you make

a compelling case, because what you say is true. when you want to oppress somebody, you disarm them first. of course. you've seen that in totally homogeneous, where race is not a factor. the first thing the government does is disarm the population before doing something horrible. obviously. so because of what you said is so clearly true, why is it so rarely set out loud? >> you know, i'm not exactly sure. some of our civil rights heroes that are often times not acknowledged, whether we are talking about the deacons, or we are talking about robert off william. i'm not sure why people don't state this. dr. king, at one point, was certainly a gun owner. at one point, they actually said, a journalist nearly sat on top of the gun in his home and called his home in arsenal.

martin luther king. at the same time, there are organizations that have worked against black people that are pro-gun. they are pro-gun-control when it comes to black people, like the nra. >> tucker: i'm not here to speak for the nra, but as someone who believes in the second amendment, i believe it's universal principle that applies, it goes without saying. it applies to all human beings. it's a god-given right. the right to self-defense. i think most people of goodwill believe that. how much will you take for saying something so obvious customer >> i take a every time i'm on this show from one side or the other. so i think i'm prepared. thank you so much for coming on. i hope that people can rise above the partisanship just for a second and meditate on what you say. it's absolutely true. thanks a lot.

14 fbi agents were caught leaking information to the pres press. he out to keep his job. what does that say about the culture of the federal bureaucracy and specifically about federal law enforcement. after the break. pharmacist-recommended memory support brand. you can find it in the vitamin aisle in stores everywhere. prevagen. healthier brain. better life.

♪ >> tucker: to president trump heading back to the white house after visiting the scenes of the deadly mass shootings that left 31 people died over the weekend. their first stop was in dayton, ohio, . many victims of sunday's attack were being treated. nine people were killed in that shooting. president trump headed to el paso, texas, to meet with victims and first responders. on saturday, a gunman opened fire at a walmart, killing 22 people. after leaving the hospital, the

president toured an emergency operation center. his visit was also marked by protests, both in support and against the president in ohio texas. i'm trace gallagher. as news breaks out, we'll break in. now back to tucker. ♪ >> tucker: well, the fbi is entirely willing to drag american citizens from their beds at night and send them to prison for life. they are trying to do that to a number of people, as you know. strangely, the fbi seems not concerned at all with wrongdoing by its own agents. documents show that 14 separate fbi agents were caught leaking information. only four of them were fired. no wonder they were appearing in america's major papers every day for the past two years.

he joins us now. >> you're welcome. >> tucker: so, 14 separate agents caught leaking sensitive material, and only four fired? how does that work? >> all, if you are the fbi, you are a protected class it looks like. one of whom was fired was andrew mccabe. others who weren't fired, they weren't even censored or punished the way that he initially wanted them to be punished. they were actually under punished in many instances. >> tucker: so this is not a crime? my understanding is that it's a crime to leak classified information. >> some of it was grand jury, it looks like, according to the documents. so, you had 14 instances, where they requested the firing of several officials.

some of them, they didn't even fire. >> tucker: how can that be at exactly the moment when the fbi is sticking firearms in the faces of americans who are just accused of not remember remembn email? how can they hold themselves to such a lower stance standard? >> that was well over a year ago. but it is a double standard. >> tucker: what does that mean? >> nothing's going to be done. >> tucker: is anyone ever prosecuted for these kinds of crimes within the fbi? >> rarely. by all accounts. we did this analysis three years. 14 agents, no prosecutions, for firings. many of the agents got away with lesser punishments than recommended. >> tucker: so, you are raising

the question that we did yesterday. how did clear can't conflict of interest. >> if you've got bureaucrats who think they are untouchable. to me, it's ironic that he's suing the fbi, because from our perspective, they've been protecting him. he was fired from the mueller investigation. we didn't know about that. the fbi currently is telling us that he had to wait 26 months to get all of his communications. they are withholding all of the personal emails that he's been sending her. 43% of the total documents, he was creating with her were personal. this guy has gotten away with a lot. if anyone should be sued, he should be sued by people like

donald trump. >> tucker: and then james comey, by the way. the fbi tells us that he had fbi files at his house. great to see you. thank you. congressman ilhan omar may have committed tax fraud. even her marriage history cannot be verified. somehow, the same press is not interested in any of this. our republican state representative in the state of minnesota. they have been demanding and formal investigation. thanks very much for coming on tonight. so, how much closer to the truth have you gotten? >> well, tucker, when i was with you last time, we asked formally for an investigation. they are acting on that at this

point, or at least getting an investigation going forward. i also informed on online petition to take encouragement from the citizens across this country, to encourage congress to act. we did that last time. yesterday, i held a press conference with nine of my colleagues, and we focused specifically on the income tax violation. they were exposed by a minnesota state agency. omar actually filed taxes jointly with someone she wasn't married to. we appeal to and wrote a letter to both the irs commissioner and to the commissioner of the department of revenue. they know about it. they received the letter yesterday. the irs knows about it congress knows about it. and the media knows about it.

>> tucker: there are investigations that she married her biological brother in a sham marriage. in fact, ilhan omar might not even be her real name. she may have come to this country under false pretenses. are we closer to knowing whether that is true? >> i think that we are appealing to the right people. you are right. it was a sham marriage. she lied to cover it up. had the people actually known what happens, they would not have elected her. she wouldn't be in congress today. if congress would do their job, she might not be there much longer. so we are getting the information in front of people. we are simply asking them to do their job. >> tucker: last time we checked with you, her offense was refusing to answer even basic questions about her family, which are not irrelevant. i mean, they are germane to these allegations that she broke our laws to come here and to live here.

has her office given any of the details they've been asked to provide? or do they continue to stonewall? >> no, they continue to stonewall, which is the opposite behavior of someone who believes that they are innocent of alleyy allegations. it's a struggle with the media. but they know about it. they've known about it for three years. we are doing our best to make certain that they are prepared and fully equipped to do their job. >> tucker: right. ultimately voters will have a say in this fairly soon. i hope that you can keep them as informed as possible so that they can make their decision with all the available knowledge. representative, thank you for that. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: while, the koch brothers have dominated republican politics for years. the question is, not are they

good people? the question is, are they conservative and any sense? we will talk to the author of a new book who spent years looking into this question. that sucks. stay tuned. ♪ undbreaking idea from america's #1 selling boat isn't a boat. the legendary performance of tracker just made landfall. best quality in america. lowest prices in america. and it's taking america by storm. now get the tracker 570 atv for the introductory price of only $5799 plus freight, and a 10% discount card free with purchase. tracker off road.

>> tucker: while here's a fast story. according to. false emergency brakes. since july of 2017 their debts only, what appeared to years. he's been arrested 18 times for behavior like this. not saying he's a serial killer,

but he definitely makes life worse for ordinary people. officials in new york don't see him that way. 18 arrests. he was released on bail. now, he's back to his old antic antics. he was arrested, but get this. this time, without any bail at all. he still free to pass pastor new york city residents. why would they even try? helping people is not only not a priority, it's a sin. for years, david koch they made the party far more

libertarian, much more pro-immigration, and more pro big tech. the if you're frustrated, watchg the party ignore what its own voters want a very close look ar business and political empire. the secret history of coke industries and power in america. we just spoke with him. what here's what he said. speak of my interest is the political activity of the kochs. there is a misconception in washington that they are conservative. tell me what you discovered about their ideology. are they conservatives? >> well, you know, i think you've gotten it exactly right in the sense that they are not traditional conservatives you

are right. a really nice guy. he believes he's found the blueprint for how to organize society. he's turned libertarian. in his view, it is a free market exchange system. i call it a blueprint intentionally. you can't argue with the blueprint. if you have to put something in a blueprint, the building will collapse. i think he sees his political ideology in that way. he believes that the only way you can structure society is. when the government intervenes, it ultimately does more harm than good. it causes more problems than it solves. >> tucker: so, how, and our viewers can assess what they think. how powerful are they, the koch

brothers? >> extremely powerful. charles koch has been patiently executing this political project since the mid-1970s. that is to make america more libertarian. his primary goal in that has been to reshape the republican party. particularly since the 2000s. we've seen the koch, which is a multifaceted group of people called americans for prosperity. it includes think takes here in washington. more toward what charles koch will call a classical liberal ideology. totally libertarian. a sickly, moving the government the way it was in 1976.

>> tucker: this line that we really don't have anything to fear. republicans are being hysterica hysterical. being hysterical about google or facebook. just calm down. everything is totally fine. which is obviously a lie. why would they be telling us that? >> so this is all a part of the bigger picture. we have to go back to when trump won the election and surprise the entire political landscape of america. donald trump and what this administration is doing. donald trump has proven that his administration is willing to intervene in the markets to get beneficial outcomes for the people who voted for him. that's how i would put it. trump is willing to use tariffs. he is willing to terrify our trade deal. that impulse needs to be kept in check if you are part of the koch political machine. so if you start talking about regulating any company, if you start talking about regulating

tech companies, the koch company is going to try to push you off of that as aggressively as i ca can. speak to people who care more about ideas than outcomes. maybe that's appealing to peopl people. we will let viewers make up their own minds. the secret history of koch and coke power koch power in americ. making a switch to paper stress. yes, the new straw is worse for the environment than the old truck. after the break. we call it the mother standard of care. it's how we care for our cancer patients- like job. when he was diagnosed with cancer, his team at ctca created a personalized care plan to treat his cancer and side effects.

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>> tucker: it's been about 35 outrage cycles before the left decided we need to ban all

plastic straws immediately. the u.k. branch of mcdonald's restaurants replace their plastic straws with your paper straws per the movement was made to protect the environment. turned out it was a sham and publicity stunt. how do we know that? mcdonald's has admitted its old plastic straws can be recycled, the new paper ones are not there they go straight to the garbage every time. meanwhile back in the united states, to physical became the first airport tub and all plastic water bottles. michael watkins has been watching this carefully and he's a comedian and he's joining us today. do you feel like you are doing your part by using these unresectable paper straws? >> listen, i'm in the shadows of society. i'm still buying straws on the black market. out in the parking lot talking to my straws dealer going, hey, you got a crazy straw? i need a crazy straw. this whole straw thing is

insane. common sense is dead. it was a good run, civilization, but i think it's over. this is literally the straw that broke the camel's back. >> tucker: nicely put. but one thing to learn, the new straws are not a net benefit to the environment. but to learn they are not to learn they are actually worse, there's something about that. it's like an electric windmill. it does generate electricity, it takes electricity! >> exactly. it's a windmill that runs of the diesel generator. it doesn't even come close to solving the problem. the problem of plastic in the ocean is coming from india and china. this is a feel-good thing that's actually worse. when did mcdonald's become the point man for this? when did life turn into a monty python skit? when they invented the paper straw, who rented to the board meeting going, i've done it, man, i've done it. it's a straw that will dissolve

in liquid. no one saying -- you're going to put it in liquid! >> tucker: that's a really good point. plastic water bottles now banned in san francisco, apparently. is this going to make life better for a single human being, do you think? >> no, it's going to make my line to the tsa that much longer because now people are going to have to come with metal water bottles. you might as well put your water in a pressure cooker at this point. >> tucker: so -- what would be the -- i mean, i'm starting to believe that the point of all these laws is to make the people who passed them feel like good people. it's kind of religious observance. >> yes, it is. it's like the people who pass our laws fell asleep as children in front of a marathon of "gilligan's island" and that's what they want our life to look like now. seriously, "gilligan's island" has got to be the perfect

metaphor for the green deal or everything. it's all green energy, they are eating off of bamboo trays, the professor can magically solve problems. it's not reality, you guys. it's not reality. everybody needs to take a deep breath and admit that common sense needs to make a huge comeback. >> tucker: i like "gilligan's island." i've got to be honest. i think it more like bulgaria 1975. i would be happy with a bamboo bike! crumbling apartment blocks with flickering lights. we'll see. michael, great to see you. >> thank you for that. >> tucker: good to see you, ben. that's it for us. the show that the sworn enemy of lighting, pomposity, groupthink. i'm taking several days off, heading to the wilderness to fish some trout with my son.

don't worry, some of your favorites will be here when i'm going to brian kilmeade will be here. mark steyn angers most of the week about the kitty bruce will be here. see you soon. have a great night. hannity is next. ♪ >> sean: welcome to hannity. we are going to change format today. buckle up. far left new york city mayor i called him comrade the bellagio. to his credit, he sat down with me for an exclusive one-on-one interview. so far, he's the only 2020 democrat brave enough to come on this program and we commend him for that. we cover a lot of issues, more than we thought. no topic was on the table. immigration, abortion, the second amendment. we got them all