on and on. we will see you back here ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." the democratic party wants to run the united states. not just the decaying urban centers and gentrifying coastal pockets, williamsburg, baltimore, both portlands. no. they want to run the entire thing. all 50 states, all 3,100 counties, all 320 million people. progressives want complete control of all of that very much, including your neighborhood. that is their goal in the coming election. what will happen if they achieve that goal? we don't have to guess. we can assess the city they already have control over and have for a long time. san francisco, california, .

if there is any place in the country you would like to run because it would be easy, it would have to be san francisco. it is stunningly beautiful, it is a perfect climate. it has solid infrastructure. there is a well-educated population. but more than anything, it has a lot of money. san francisco is one of the richest places in the world. with a never ending torrent of tech cash. how could you screw that up? and yet, take a look at what the left has done with san francisco. >> in some san francisco neighborhoods, hold your nose and watch your step. >> you see people lying on the streets. you see people pass out on the streets. you are seeing people eat out of garbage cans. you are seeing people shoot up. >> adding to the danger, take at look. donkeys are dumping their used syringes into the street. piles like this are commonplace. most of the needles are handed out by the san francisco public health. to help reduce drug related diseases. but with no reliable way to get them all back,

with no reliable way to get them all back, the city is spending $750,000 to hire people to pick up the needles. some 8,000 every month. >> tucker: it looks like a slum. bombay india doesn't look like that. so you think it would be affordable, but it's the opposite. average rent for an apartment in san francisco right now is about $4,000. the city works only for the extremely rich. the destitute, the billionaires and the vagrants. want to raise a family in the there's no place for them. city? good luck. san francisco now has more day care spaces for animals that it does for babies. it is literally a city without a future. it's people can't afford to reproduce. and san francisco isn't alone. the rest of california's single party cities are following suit. the homeless population in los angeles for example, is now bigger than any city in the entire state of vermont. it's filthy tent encampments are incubating diseases previously associated with war-torn countries. >> over time, squalor builds up

on the streets, with rats feasting on rotting food mixed with sewage and used syringes. but far away from skid row, through rats and fleas, typhus travel through the streets and the deputy city attorney who works way up on the sixth floor atth city hall got infected. >> i felt like i was going to die. >> greenwood said that the city has always had rats, but what has changed isn't what's in the building, it's what's around it. >> the homeless population has moved closer and closer. they surround the building. so, as folks walk to work and back, they are walking through rotting food, raw sewage. >> tucker: typhus? what country is this? who did this? you know who did it. they did the same thing to sacramento. that's the state capital of california. homelessness there has gotten so out of control that ordinary people can barely live there. >> i just want to tell you what happens when i get to work. i have to clean up the and off te

poop and the pee of my doorstep.in i have to clean up the syringes. i have to fight off people that push their way into my shop that are homeless and on drugs, because you won't arrest them for drug offenses. i have to apologize to my clients. so i want to know what you'reo going to do for us, the ones that are unhappy. you want to make it a sanctuary state. you want to make it comfortable for everyone except for the people that work hard and have tried their hardest to get along in life. and now we have to change that because of your lies. a while you sit in our million-dollar home and you don't have to look at what we have to look at, those hardworking people out there who have to deal with this on a daily basis. >> tucker: it's a disaster, obviously. and yet, remarkably, cities around the country, are racing all of them run by the democratic party, are racing to copy california. washington, d.c., is now drive around if you don't covered with tense and filth. believe it. we have seen this before. for decades, americans fled cities to escape from chaos and crime. new york got so desperate it

elected a republican mayor. and then finally in the 1990s, the tide turned. crime fell and american cities became livable again. property values rose. poor neighborhoods got better. everyone benefited, and people started moving back. places that had been shrinking for decades. cities like washington and philadelphia started growing again. it was a great success. but that progress is being reversed now because on the left, "law & order" is now regarded as a hateful relic of a less progressive age. among america's 20 largest cities, san francisco now has the highest property crime levels in the united states. there are 70 car break-ins every single day. for the past four years, violent crime on the train has. that's enabled by rampant -- city officials are completely unwilling to stop. across the country america's most liberal cities have mayors who explicitly side with the criminals even against their own citizens. we are not overstating this. in dallas county, texas, for example, the district attorney there is refusing to criminally prosecute thefts of less than $750.

if he decides the theft was "of necessary items." okay. and philadelphia meanwhile, the top prosecutor believes that american law enforcement is systematically racist so he stopped providing law enforcement at all in many places. in that city, prosecutors no longer seek cash bail for what they call low-level crimes. that's a category that includes burglary. not so low-level if you are the target of it. a simple summons report instead of a misdemeanor or felony charge. the results are not hard to predict. you know exact what is going to happen when you govern like this. in fact, it has happened. in 2018, philadelphia had its highest murder record in a decade. compare just a few mayors ago, murder has dramatically searched and a bunch of different cities with similar programs. chicago, baltimore, washington. and yet no one on the left seems to notice any of this or care. in fact, they seem to approve. apparently. they would like the rest of the country to become just like

san francisco. do you want that document an attorney and formal stomach former san francisco police commissioner member joins us tonight. thanks a lot for coming on. i don't want to make this necessarily partisan, because i think that there are a lot of democrats -- you're one of them -- who look at the decay of our cities and say i'm not foror this at all. i may be liberal, but i'm not on the side of criminals. but. you've got to be honest and say that cities run -- big cities run by the democratic party, for decades, in most cases, are not doing well right now. what does that tell us? >> tucker, it's not the democratic party, it's not even the progressives. if you go to marin county, for example, right across the bay, you are familiar with that area. that is a very progressive area. you can't shoot up needles there. you can't do all theba things yu can do on the streets of san francisco because he will be thrown in t jail. >> tucker: that's because that's where the ruling class lives and they keep out out of formal housing as you know. they won't put up with any of

this because they actually live there. >> the exact same way. they are just to the south of us. at north and south go either way. you've got progressives running the towns. the issue is the leadership in the law enforcement and specifically in the deer prosecutor circles, we have a d.a. that was the absent father of the criminal justice system and separate cisco. announced a year ago he wasn't going to run for reelection and he did that because he wanted to go be with his mother int southern california. great. hasn't been with his motherornin southern california and in my opinion hasn't showed up to work ever since then. if you look at what's happening on the street, if you are drug addictedt, or mentally ill, misdemeanors, infractions and violent felonies not happening go under the category of unenforced. it's just not enforced. you see it every day on the street just walking down the street right in her videot right there. there is no crime that's going to be enforced against those people. >> tucker: can i just say --

everything you're saying of course it's true, but it's not just san francisco. there is a broader theme here. it's not just one law-enforcement official, one absentee prosecutor. this is happening in washington, baltimore, it's happening in dallas. so it's happening in cities run by people with a very specific mind-set in that mind-set puts the rights of the criminal above the rights of the taxpayer. >> that's right, but this is not democrats -- progressive democrats. this is more of a socialist, communist wing of the democratic party thatt has becoe louder and louder and i spoke of this the last time i was on your show. it is of the people that are going to trot, because kriebel, travel. these are the people president trump is identifying our party with and that's a problem because those aren't democrats. if you believe in universal wages,st that's not a democratic value. that's a socialist communist value. >> tucker: hold on. i want to believe that the lunatics destroying your city, which is the prettiest city in the united states, in my opinion, and portland, oregon,

and other beautiful cities, i want to believe they are in a tiny minority but if that's true, then how do they get in power? >> our mayor is not that way. it's rda who is absent and our legislature is in many ways that way. so they are the problem. our mayor tried to get more cops to patrol downtown separate cisco, the legislature wouldn't give it to her. she had to rush out and find monies in ways to pay overtime cops to patrol union square. as you know, one of the most beautiful places visited by all the tourists. it's not our mayor, if the legislature and it's the board of supervisors and its the prosecutor out there not enforcing laws. they enforce lawsnt there. the federal government. don't try and break a law there. by the way, was unfair about this is that law-abiding citizens, the working class people, if you are wealthy enough to own a car and not live in it, all the laws applies to

you, misdemeanors, everything applies to you. believe me, it you miss being there for more than 5 minutes you've got $120 tickets. >> tucker: but when they break into your car and they make no effort to find the guy who broke into your car. >> unless you're a rod and your famous under super wealthy and we will send the cops out to dust your car, but don't worry about it. nothing is going to happen there either because the d.a. won't prosecute b. >> tucker: it's a feudal society. thank you so much. good to see you. >> good to see you as well. >> tucker: it's exactly the word that he has used are described san francisco. director of the center for opportunity urbanism. one of the great experts on the city. author of the book the human city, urbanism for the rest of us. where happy to have him on tonight. thanks a lot for coming on. >> my pleasure. >> tucker: so you noted the other day that san francisco has more drug addicts than it has high school students. this is the kind of recognizable syndrome where cities become

basically unlivable for normal people. how does this happen? >> i think it's been happening over the years. for a while it was because cities were declining and then when the cities started coming back, they became very expensive and they were kind of undermined and now you have really and most of the really primary cities in this country, populations of young hipsters who will say therefore a few years, poor people who were dependent on the wall for state and some very, very wealthy people. the middle class is literally becoming extinct as isis the family and much of urban america today. >> tucker: so this is all kinds of implications, but the truth is that as you well know that most of our important policy decisions are made by people who live in these places. which are, as you just said, completely cut off from the concerns of normal people, completely cut off.

how can you govern the country if you live in a place like this? doesn't it distort you? >> i met old-line democrat. i think their work -- there were some great democratic mayors who helped run around cities. bob lanier in houston being a prime example. it's not the politics, it's something that's happening. you even look at, let's say, and representative cortez's district. there is such low voter turnout, very small groups of militant people can actually win elections by being organized. she got about 16,000 votes in the primary in a district that had well over 300,000 democrats. so what we have is that people are not engaging in politics. this is part of the sort of utilization that's going on right now. the middle and working class is just sort of saying there'ser nothing we can do, so we are just going to either leave or we

are going to do -- we are just going to have to put up with it. >> tucker: so angry affluent children from williamsburg get to make all the important decisions. at the least wise group in america gets to take control? >> that's increasingly happening. if you look even in a city like chicago where they are now electing socialist to the city council. obviously in seattle, you got this group of people in their 20s, early 30s, were very, very militant. and in many cases they don't care that the schools don't wor work. that's a big issue too. we are seeing here in california that we have some wonderful charter schools but they are under attack by the teachers union. if you are a 25-year-old hipster living in orange county or l.a. county, what do you care about that charter schools? you're more concerned about getting the support of the teachers unions. >> tucker: at the vortex. >> and it gets worse and worse. >> tucker: it does get worse

and worse. that's all people get engaged. thanks for joining us tonight. >> my pleasure. >> tucker: today, it means that alexandria ocasio-cortez is calling another thing in america racist. we will tell you what it is this timell next. ♪ ♪[upbeat music]

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♪ >> tucker: it turns out the u.s. customs and border protection may have allowed dangerous illegal immigrants to run free within this country's borders for years by ignoring a federal law that would have let them be detected and stopped. for details on the story would turn to to fox news chief

intelligence correspondent catherine herridge. catherine. >> the government watchdog notify the president and congressional oversight committees today but the border agency violated the law for a decade and compromised public safety after failing to implement a dna screening program for illegal migrants. "the agencies noncompliance with the law has allowed subjects subsequently accused of violent crimes, including homicide and sexual assault, to elude detection,nc even when detained multiple times by cbp or immigration and customs enforcement." this is an unacceptable dereliction of the agency's law-enforcement mandate." fox news first profiled the government whistle-blowers last month were behind the complainti under the law, cbp is required to collect dna from individuals in custody and compare it against dna and the fbi's violent crimes database. the goal was to identify and then remove or prosecute illegal migrants whose dna matched open cases from sexual assault, even murder. the obama administration put dna

screening on hold in 2010 after then-secretary janet napolitano said homeland security had resource issues. then attorney general eric holderec agreed. special counsel investigators sided with the whistle-blowers that the waiver was never meant to beis permanent. >> it's not a risk. it's factual. since this law was passed almost ten years ago u.s. citizens, lawful permanent residents and others have been raped, harmed and killed by people that cbp had in custody. in many respects on multiple occasions, did not collect their dna. these people were even deported or released to return back to this country. and commit harm again on to others. that is factual. in those numbers -- >> in the last hour, fox news received a statement from homeland security official confirming that acting secretary kevin mcaleenan has now directed homeland security to work with the justice department

to finally move forward on the dna collection program. >> tucker: what a story. catherine herridge, thanks a lot for that. >> you're welcome. >> tucker: congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez is not yet 30 years old. she's been in congress for fewer than eight months but she feels very confident that all 243 years of american history prior to her arrival were a mistake. in a new video for instrument, ocasio-cortez takes aim at the electoral college. watch. >> people are coming to you live from the electoral college. manyny votes here, as you can s, very efficient way to the leadership their country. i can't think of any other way, can you? >> tucker: you may think that the electoral college has worked pretty well for almost two and a half centuries, electing democrats and two republicans ia way that served the country. the most powerful country in the world, the best country.

ocasio-cortez knows better. she's woke so she knows that of course the electoral college is, wait for it now, racist. ocasio-cortez accuses the electoral college of having "a racial injustice breakdown that disfavors the votes of minority voters so it has to go." soon we will get rid of every american institution in existence before alexandria ocasio-cortez. dana perino hosts the daily briefing with dana perino, one of our favorite guests and she joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. very quick question someone who was american politics for many years and has a deep grounding in its history, is the electoral college racist? >> it such a disservice to the institution, to the framers of our constitution, and two -- one, it's bad for civics education. think of how many people follow her on instagram and think okay, the electoral college is racist because she drives through a rural area of the united states. she is driving through flyover

country. then she thinks that it's okay to say that these people don't matter, the people that live here don't matter. we know that there are rural parts in the country. there are micro-centers. there are urban centers. thereer are all of these things. the electoral college, no, it is not racist. nobody said it was racist untilt recently. they didn't say it when barack obama won the electoral college twice. the other thing is, when she talks about this, not wanting electoral college, it's just the next step to sayings they don'tn want the united states senate either. because the united states senate allows for two senators from every state. if they don't states rights. they just want the cities of what you just highlighted in your a block to be in charge across the country. they don't want to have to persuade and use argumentation to say why their policy prescriptions would be better. i am in electoral college traditionalist and evangelist

for the electoral college and i would be happy to debate anybody about this. i feel that strongly that the founders knew what they were doing when they set it up. minority rule -- majority rule is not what we were set up to have. we are amajo republic. states rights. you have the electoral college, and in fact colorado passed this law saying we don't even care what the electoral college says. we're just going to do whatever the popular vote is. guess what? today u.s. appeals court in denver said not so fast. that doesn't work in our country. so i also think it's futile, what she's doing, because the electoral college is not going to change in our lifetime. >> tucker: so you just said you would be happy to debate anyone on the question of the electoral college and i have no doubt that you would won. she doesn't -- and people like her don't seek a debate. they seek to take the question off the debate table by calling it racist. in other words, immoral, in other words, your position isn't even worth hearing because you're a bad person because you

are racist because you support racist institution. what does that kind of thinking due to our public discourse? >> well, it's growing, because there are, i think eight of the democratic candidates for president in 2020 all support getting rid of the electoral college. that's a lot. imagine how many people are out there hearing that the electoral ecollege is the bane of their existence. senator from iowa put out a statement in which she said that this would silence voters and voices in iowa. that's certainly not the way to win back the white house if you think you want to win, the system that they are going to have. i think it's a good system, but i do think it's a disservice to say it should be abolished without acknowledging that it actually has a purpose. >> tucker: right, exactly. and to deride it, dismiss it as immoral. >> abraham lincoln, only one that the presidency because of the electoral college. he was not racist. >> tucker: exactly, it just

pollutes our discourse, that kind of language. great to see you tonight, thank you so much. here's another glimpse of how they view -- the left views this country and its history. host on the young -- left-wing news and politics broadcast. he has a half a million facebook fans. here's his description of why 9/11 happened. watch this. >> america deserved 9/11, dude. believe it. i'm saying it. we totally brought it on ourselves dude, holy [bleep]. how was anything i'm saying controversial? >> tucker: 3,000 americans died on their way to work. america deserved 9/11. you may be shocked to hear that but you really shouldn't be, because the united states is immoral. the united states has a history that's embarrassing. the united states is a sinful country. that should be destroyed. that is basically the case that they're making day in and day out, attacking the country. is it a shock that someone is

finally just come out and said it plainly? the u.s. deserved 9/11. thousands deserved to die. you shouldn't be shocked when they say that. everything they've been saying for the last two years has been leading up to that. bernie sanders is about to unveil his new climate plan. only two things about it are certain. it probably won't make the environment any cleaner. it will make your life less pleasant. we will tell you whatig he has n mind for you after the break. ♪

♪ >> tucker: it looks like new york mayor bill de blasio is not going to qualify for the next democratic debate. why? because almost not a single person in america wants to vote for him. but he will not abandon his presidential campaign no matter how much it cost him in time and human dignity. today, for example, he spoke via video feed to the iowa federation of labor and thanks to a technical error is not only taken a hit of helium or join the cast of elinor jones.

>> guarantee and working people like every other investor -- to guarantee working people by law two weeks paid vacation every year. that's the kind of thing that could transform people's lives. >> tucker: maybe it wasn't a technical glitch, maybe it was planned. the number of people who would like to vote for a chipmunk is probably larger than people who want to vote for him. but that wasn't the most embarrassing thing that happened to a democratic candidate this week. pete buttigieg was in chicago the other night, tried to furnish his woke credentials by speaking in the brownsville neighborhood, historically african-american neighborhood. guess how many african-americans showed up to see pete buttigieg? looks at the crowd. [laughs] as he railed against systemic racism, he looked around and almost nobody from the neighborhood was actually there. didn't seem to be a single person from brownsville.

instead it looked like a subaru dealership in cambridge. guilty white liberals as far as the eye could see. you could have served avocado toast and launched an npr pledge drive. it was that pale. actual black people appeared to be boycotting event, they have better things to do. and good for them. senator bernie sanders is set to unveil his own version of the green new deal tomorrow. if you can expected to have a lot of proposals that will make your life worse. after all, it supposedly necessary because we face an existential threat. listen. >> that climate change is real, is an existential threat to our country and the entire planet. >> if nato is about the common defense, the biggest existential threat is climate. >> this is climate change. it really is the existential threat. >> we are going to have to address the most existential threat to our nation in the world, climate change. >> on climate change, the greatest existential threat that we face. >> we need to treat global climate change like the

existential threat that it is. >> that we are facing a climate crisis. it represents an existential threat to who we are as human beings. >> tucker: i mean, maybe climate change is an existential threat. i'm certainly open-minded. but if it is, then why do number of the democratic responses seem very serious? none of them include, for example, ceasing to fly on private aircraft, which every single one of those people does all the time. instead their proposals entail making them more powerful, shutting down the entire u.s. economy. or just petty proposals that make people's lives worse. the first was a ban on plastic straws and plastic bags. this week the federal energy star program recommended that americans set their thermostats to 82 degrees at night in the summer for the sake of stopping global warming. okay, you first. publisher and the author of the politically incorrect guide to climate change and joins us tonight. thanks a lot for coming on

tonight. so there is this weird disconnect between the nature of the threat, which is terrifying. it's godzilla, basically. it's going to destroy all of us. and their proposals, which are petty and small and disconnected from science. why? >> in fact the best quote was the university of pennsylvania scientist, geologist who said even if we faced the climate catastrophe that they claim, none of the proposals offered by the epa, the united nations for the green new deal would have any impact on the climate if, in fact, carbon dioxide controlled the climate. it's pure symbolism and it comes to the climate. and that's what's so shocking. the green new deal is nothing more than the same solutions they were pedaling in the 1960s and a foster 70s the overpopulation scare, for the resource scare. limited resources scare. and it's the same exact solution. although using his global warming is the latest scare to have the same solutions of

wealth readers to, sovereignty limiting treaties and massive intervention, essential planning. that's all it is. >> tucker: all the scientists have noted, obviously, that if you're worried about carbon, you probably should plant more trees. but that might be a practical step we could take. there is zero interest, i can see, for many of these people, in doing that. by the way, make the country prettier. but they have no interest in that, why? >> arnold schwarzenegger, governor of california, climate champion. big champion of the green new deal and all these other deals. he proposed to californians as governor in a video addressed to the state that they should air dry their clothes on a hanger for six months on the clothesline for six months in order to reduce their carbon footprint. at the same time he was flying a daily jet to the governor's mansion to his house for very few people but for arnold schwarzenegger the governor's mansion was a step down in the quality of his life. so he daily commuted but told californians that they should have air drying clothes.

the same state, by the way, california, mentioning energy star and his regulations, they proposed emergency control over people's thermostats in 2008. in order to control the energy flow of california and even "the new york times" buffed at this and said this is the outer limits. outer limits, something is going to be taking over your tv. the government wanted to take over thermostats, not voluntary, but mandatory. if there was that dutch outrage they stop that. it's the problems we're facing now with the energy star regulations. it's a creepy thing. it was voluntary now is going to be mandatory under the green new deal. >> tucker: why wouldn't republicans -- i go doubt they are clever enough, but why wouldn't some sitting united states senator sponsor legislation that bans the use of private air travel for people who are concerned about -- or how about all private air travel? as a symbolic measure and see about sport? >> that would be a fantastic idea. republican party, most of the time they don't want to deal with this issue is all.

even trump administration cabinet members are silent. the only one in the administration really wants to speak and push back on this agenda so that's part of the problem. >> tucker: the rest just want to lower capital gains taxes. >> they want to talk about the regulatory impact but they don't want to go at the heart of it. it would expose them all. bernie sanders himself, even hillary staffers talked about how much he demanded in order to campaign for -- had to be on private jets. millions on private jets back and forth during his 2016 campaign. >> tucker: an entire piece lecturing the rest of us who dared criticize al gore for having the largest single house in the state of tennessee. we were the bad ones for noting that. it's really -- the hypocrisy theocracy is nauseating. >> teen activists coming to new york city is going to take a yacht across the atlantic because she doesn't want to fly and it turns out that first of all the art is made out of carbon fiber, made out of all sorts of fossil fear, but they're going to have to fly the

crew back to europe. if there's going to be all sorts of flights associated, but the symbolism of her in a yacht is all that matters. >> tucker: great to see you tonight. thank you. >> thank you. >> tucker: bill gates, the billionaire, has a remarkable number of connections to jeffrey epstein and those links have contained all the way past epstein's death. we cut the tails and it's pretty fascinating. plus a supporter of hillary clinton says she's smearing him with lies and he's fighting back. he joins us just ahead. ♪ ♪[upbeat music] ♪now i'm gonna tell my momma♪ ♪that i'm a traveller ♪i'm gonna follow the sun♪ ♪now i'm gonna tell my momma ♪that i'm a traveller transitions™ light under control™

>> tucker: here's an amazing story. former advisor to bill gates, microsoft founder, has been named as one of the executors of jeffrey epstein's will. that's not the only weird connection between the microsoft founder and epstein.

trace gallagher joins us tonight or more on the story. hey,y, trace. >> part of the baffling history of jeffrey epstein is how he was somehow able to surround himself with some of the world's most powerful people even after he pled guilty to soliciting an underage and became a registered sex offender. for example, prince andrew was photographed coming out of his manhattan mansion in 2010, two years after epstein served jail time. now we are learning microsoft founder bill gates not only spoke with epstein on more than one occasion about philanthropic spending, but also flew on epstein's private plane from new york to palm beach. bill gates reportedly refuses to say why. and we should know the plane was not the so-called lolita express, which allegedly was used to fly underage girls to epstein's t private island. but still critics wonder why one of the world's richest men would need to take philanthropic advice from a convicted sex offender. especially considering what melinda gates and the couple's

foundation does for women around the world. separately, a former science advisor for bill gates was named as 1 of 3 executors of jeffrey epstein's 577 million dollar will. 49-year-old boris says he was shocked to learn that epstein named him and says he has no intention of filling duties. bill barr gave an impromptu news conference dated when he maintains that there were numerous irregularities in the death of jeffrey epstein, but he says so far he has been given no reason to question the findings of the medical examiner who ruled epstein's death a suicide. bill barr says the investigation is moving forward. >> tucker: what a story. trace gallagher, thanks a lot for that. dr. robert f stein is a senior research psychologist at the american institute for behavioral research and technology. he's also been a major critic of google. one of the smarter critics of c google. he's argued persuasively that the company's bias may have

boosted hillary clinton in the 2016 election. that's not just something he things. he's amassed quite a bit of research to suggest it's true. epstein's arguments recently triggered a political stop at wind clinton president trump on twitter. clinton bashed epstein and his work and called it "debunked." dr. epstein has long been a supporter of the clintons, but he says hillary's recent behavior has been "shameful." joins us tonight to clear up this. thanks very much for coming on. i just want to restate, as you've told us a number of times, you are not a political conservative and you've actually been a fan of hillary clinton. but tell us how you assess her response to the president on your research. >> first of all, president trump made a couple of minor errors in his tweet in which he waswe referring to my research and my testimony before congress a few weeks ago. so okay, he made some minor errors. but what hillary clinton did --

to be honest with you, i think she should be ashamed of hersel herself. it's absolutely outrageous. she told some o blatant lies. i happen to know the information she got came from google. >> tucker: that should give us pause. basically what you're saying, you're alleging is hillary clinton is carrying water for google. >> there's no question about it. if you justt: look back in timea little bit you'll find that her number one donor in 2016 was alphabet. google, her chief technology officer was a former google executive. eric schmidt, the head of google offered in writing to head up her tech campaign and then set up a secretive organization called the groundwork. the sole purpose of which was to put her into office. i've been a staunch supporter of the clintons for decades.

i literally have a signed letter from bill clinton over my desk on a the wall and i cannot belie that she did this. in the things she's saying are just absurd. >> tucker: without getting too technical -- you are a research scientist in effect so it would be easy to confuse us, me, but give us a sense of how she has lied about you. >> number one she says my work has been debunked. that's blatantly false. my work has always adhered to the very highest standards of scientific integrity. the monitoring projects are set up. that's not scientific research. those are monitoring projects and i'm the only one who's done them so far. the purpose of those. to capture what big tech companies like google are showing people on our screens. here's the second lie. she says my entire monitoring project in 2016 was based on 21

undecided voters. actually my discovery of the bias that occurred, the pro clinton bias that occurred in google search results, not being or yahoo, just google, that analysis came because i preserved 13,207 election related searches and the 98,000 web pages to which the search results linked. so this was a big sophisticated analysis. the first ever of its kind. i did an even bigger project, bigger monitoring project in 2018. also with startling results about bias in google's search results. and i'm heading toward setting up a much, much larger system in 2020 that will look at all kinds of things.

newsfeeds and twitter -- shadow banning and many, many other things. >> tucker: i hope you get the funding you need for that and i just want to say for the third time, the results of your research contravened your own political beliefs and to publicized them anyway and that's when integrity looks like i just want to thank you for that. thanks for coming on tonight. >> thank you. >> tucker: a secretive chinese lab, we are not making this up, is looking to create human primate hybrids. dr. will help us investigate how that could go horribly wrong for mankind. ♪ - in the last year, there were three victims of cybercrime every second. when a criminal has your personal information,

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>> tucker: earlier this month, news broke that researchers in china have created a human-monkey highbred embryo. seriously. officially, scientists say they hope to be able to grow new

human organs on demand potentially inside animal bodies. the obvious question is, what could go around? a lot. dr. marc siegel as a fox medical contributor and he joins us tonight for a doctor, give us a quick overview of what he's trying to do and why >> scientist juan a scientist is w in california, flies over to china, and he knows that he is going to be able to evade regulations, and that is a big part of it.ak he takes a monkey embryo and imbues it with human stem cells, saying that he's going to be able to create organs that could be used in the future for transplants. it's a press release science. there is no ethics involved to it. you know what the worst thing is? scientifically, it is impossible because monkeys are too small. even if you were able to grow a life monkey with human stem cells, you would not have organs that are usable. it's a disgrace. i want to say up top that i

don't believe that this scientist should be allowed to conduct research in the united states. we've seen enough of this from china already. it's not the direction -- never mind that we are using embryonic stem cells, basically throwing them away, on useless science, we are creatingg monstrosities out of it. right now, i want to reassure our viewers those monstrosities thcould not grow into full hybrs or camaros. we are nowhere near the technology for that. in the future, we could see science fiction. in the meantime, it is an utter disgrace. >> tucker: you are saying it is basically quack science. >> completely. i want to show you what the real scientist, by the way. we have 3d printers that can make organs that we will use for transplants at nyu. we are taking pig organs and when yuri humanizing them using genetic engineering. not embryos. not embryonic stem cells. literally genetic editors, overcome immune problems to make organs you can use.ak you notice i said pigs because they are more the size we need.

monkeys are not useful in this regard. again, it is absolutely disgraceful. we should not be conducting this kind of research. >> tucker: that's a strong statement coming from a physician. it raises the question of the amount of biotech that is being funded right now in the united states, and particular and asia, china. that's not regulated at all, and at some point, if you've got people tampering with the basic building blocks of life, do you risk real tragedy happening? >> yeah, i think that will happen in the future. that's a great point. the funding for this research is coming out of spain. it is crossing over to the united states, then it's going to china. n right now we have immunological problems and a lot of differences between different species, even primates, even among primates. in the future we could see a science-fiction movie out of this where we created ati monst, where we create a monkeyey that has human thoughts.

that is the last direction we want to be going and it's horrible. that is a kind of science fiction we don't need, to wake up on a planet decades in the future, you know the movie i'm talking about, where a person that is talking to us is not a person. this is monstrous, the science. again, we have real science. this. is not dead. we need to use beings that are the same size as humans that have useful organs that we can use, not monkeys. stay away from monkeys, please. >> tucker: boy, i've been around to be a long time but i don't think i've spent 3 minutes in last 20 years calling for the regulation of anything. if there's anything you are going to regulate, it is this kind of behavior because it seems to me the consequences potentially are overwhelming. >> we need the international community and the united states should not allow the stuff to go on at all. >> tucker: amen. thank you, i appreciate it.t we are out of time, unfortunately. the hour goes off leave pat wow fast. we were back tomorrow night. 8:00 p.m. the show that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness, and groupthink.

all of which are in overabundance right now. keep the faith. it will get better. good night from washington. guess who's next. sean hannity! live from new york city. >> sean: at least i am glad you are sincerely against those things. >> tucker: i am! i'm not kidding. [laughs]gs >> sean: i am totally b.s. and you. sincerely. tucker, good to see you. another busy news night. welcome to "hannity." the 2020 race heating up for the democrats are melting down. this huge field, far left presidential, radical extreme socialist candidates, and they have utterly failed to impress hardly any american voters. the so-called front-runner, that sleepy creepy crazy uncle joe, now embarrassing himself daily. bernie sanders, elizabeth warren, welcome of their policies would transform america into venezuela. then you have little old mayor pete, can't even run south bend, indiana, but he still wants a mass