in bonderland. they saynd he planned to use his come found impregnate scores of females in a quest to seed the human race with his dna. >> wow! let not your heart be troubled. laura ingram is with us, we will never be the media mob. that . that is so creepy. >> laura: has anyone seen at the cutting edge contemporary art? i don't think what was described would be all that shocking.on >> sean: bill clinton in a blue dress with high heels? >> they're going to have some disturbing images, probably. >> we are talking about kids here. they deserve justice in this case, and i'm glad the attorney general has pledged to do so and i hope he gets to the bottom of anyone and everyone involved inen this. >> you got it. hannity, awesome show tonight.

>> have a good show. "t laura: you have a great nigh night. i'm a laura ingraham, this is "the ingraham angle" from washington. first, an obama-era waiver allowed violent criminal illegals to walk free over the last decade until a whistle-blower went to the trump administration to spill the beans. in his first tv interview, he is here to tell us about it. plus, a popular online leftist mocked congressman and veteran dan crenshaw war wound and setgr america deserved 9/11.lovely. the congressman is here to respond. in the wake of the shootings in el paso and dayton, we've heard a lot about red flag in domestic terror laws but how can they affect your rights? and maybe even diminish them? a can't-miss debate at the end of tonight's hour for all of you who believe in the second amendment. but, first, the left's urge to purge. that is the focus of tonight's angle.

with liberals having monopolized the fields of journalism, academia, and the entertainment industry for decades, you would think they would be happier people but they are not. in the age of trauma, many-- iny democrats, hardcore political activists and the elites in the entertainment industry just seemed miserable and perpetually angry. >> donald trump is a guy who you understand he hurts you and my testosterone sometimes makes me want to feel like punching him. >> [bleep] >> we need somebody that can take this guy on, and punch him in the face. >> the president is a flaming racist.he's a piece of [bleep] >> laura: they all mouth platitudes of loving diversity but, increasingly, they want none of it.

they want conservatives banished altogether from the public square and treated like political lepers. if you're a trump supporter, you shouldn't even be allowed to do a guest spot on a tv show.rememt former white house press secretary sean spicer would be a contestant in the new season of "dancing with the stars," host tom bergeron protested. >> my preference. >> this is a fox news aall right from fox news headquarters. firefighters are responding to a light rail collision in sacramento, california, right now. according to sacramento fire, there are a total of 22 people hurt. two people are set to have moderate injuries and the remaining 20 are, quote, walking wounded. the incident happened west of the winter street light rail station and that is near the hagen oaks golf course. again, this is happening in sacramento. so far, there is no official word on what caused this crash. one witness on the scene says

the train derailed after crashing into another train car. again, a late rail collision in sacramento california, injuring at least 22 people so far. it does not look like any of the commuters on board have suffered any life-threatening injuries. there are 15 ambulances on the scene for transport there. stay with fox news for more on this developing story out of northern california. now back to regular programming already in progress. >> he's not a commentator, he's one of the marquee news posts and the left is fine with that. sean spicer, is he going to be attempting the tango? it's somehow an affront to the journalistic integrity at abc. please. yesterday, this is unreal, the miss nevada pageant winner katie williams was stripped of her crown after she dared to express pro-trump views on her personal social media account.

>> this comes after many emails of the coordinators emailing me saying that i'm "too political" to be in the pageant. when i would reply back and ask what i could do or anything else, their basic answer was to delete everything on my page. i asked what was the actual content that they didn't like and they would never give me an answer. >> laura: now, would she have gotten booted if she was a climate change alarmist or at planned parenthood supporter? you know the answer. now miss williams will be joining us in moments to tell uste more. even billionaire sports moguls aren't safe from the leftist purge patrol. miami dolphins owner steve ross is being ejected from the league's social justice committee. by the way, it's a committee he founded. the reason?

he dared to host a trump fundraiser. [shouting] this blacklisting and intimidation and public shunning it's part of a pattern that has intensified since the election of trump. >> if you see anybody from that cabinet, in a restaurant, in ada gasoline station, you tell them they aren't welcome, anymore anywhere. >> get up in, please, get up in the face of some congress people. >> when they go low, we go high -- no. when they go low, we kick them. >> laura: we know what that hateful talk encouraged, more peace and understanding? well, we saw prominent conservatives harassed in public. >> abolish ice!

[yelling] [chanting] >> shame! [chanting] >> laura: these people don't even want conservatives to l be able to relax in the sanctity of their own homes. >> that's probably what it is. just stab the mother [bleep] in the heart, please. >> laura: universities don't expect conservatives to get treated any better. [chanting]ct >> laura: if you are a retiree or a small business owner who donates to trump campaign, you are also not immune. you, too, can be targeted and even doxxed by your own congressman no less.

>> i that hope thesees donors in san antonio and donors throughout the country, unless you support the white nationalism and the racism that donald trump is paying for and fueling, then i hope that you as a person of good conience will think twice about contributing to his campaign. >> he's feeling the racism. the same people who blame trump's rhetoric for the recent el paso mass shooting use as he does the most vicious toxic language to smear their political adversaries. forget real debate, just smear them. it's all with the goal of making them social and cultural outcasts.♪ >> god be with you. >> laura: now, they would

probably send us all to leper colonies if they could. do they really think most americans support these malicious efforts, their language? i don't. i think our citizens disagree vigorously, but they are very fair-minded people and they don't like to see their neighbors or friends on both sides of the aisle living in fear of expressing their views. so many conservatives today come up and tell me, i'm really quiet about what i believe, i'm afraid of saying the wrong thing at work. they are all afraid come all the time..that's the way the progres want it. the cultural and political progressives, i think they ought to be very careful. while demonizing conservatives and driving them underground may feel good to them in the moment, the nastiness may just end up driving more voters into the s ms of donald trump. and that's the angle. joining me now with reaction is mike huckabee, 2016 presidential candidate and fox news contributor. governor, your daughter has

dealt with this. former press secretary to president. trump and she will soon or is now a new fox news contributor, we are excited about that at the network, but she dealt with that and she is likely going to continue to deal with that. what happened to the party of tolerance?e >> laura, you just played a whole of series of great expressions of liberal love. that's what they are all about. it's tolerance, it's diversity, except in their world, diversityas means uniformity, tolerance means intolerance and basically a form ofof utter bigotry. the irony is they don't even understand what bigotry means when they talk about racism, bigotry is racism. what they have is a form of identity politics. but, let's ask ourselves why are they this way? the reason is, when people have a very weak position, they have to raise the volume and express it in a strong way because their argument cannot hold to a legitimate discussion.

if you look at what these people are advocating, they really can't defend it so the only thing is to silence the voices of dissent and try to make it appear those voices do not exist. it's truly shameful, i feel more sorry for them than i do angry at them and i wish them someday -- >> laura: governor -- >> to have enough of an intellect to better articulate their positions some day. >> laura: you're a better person, i don't feel sorry for them. they know what they are doing. it's not just they are angry and want to engage in a vigorous debate. it's not ary even that they wano silence, they want conservatives, donors to the president, supporters, they want them removed. they don't want them to have future employment, they don't want them to be in public, they want to drive them underground. i want to play something for you. this is something joe scarborough said, a former republican, now he hangs out

with the heavies in manhattan andd florida. he is basically warning people implicitlypl in this clip aboutf you work for this president, beware what will happen to you in the future watch. >> what happens to people who destroy their legacy? does trump thank you for destroying your legacy, bymakinn front of the american people by showing you have no respect for the rule of law? what happens to those people in the end, mike? let me answer, they get thrown out. >> laura: it is all, essentially, you have no future, you are over.they would stop pem going in the administration, if they could. >> what a shame, and joe scarborough, shame on him, he knows better. his show has become "morning joke" and he has become the joke. when you have that kind of attitude, when you don't agree with me, you don't have the right to a job, you don't have the right to feed your family or go to a movie, to pump gas in your car or to even enjoy a

baseball game or to travel through an airport, and to change planes, you have no right to do those things because you don't agree with me. that's the tragic place for people to get when they are so very threatened by the opinion of someone else that they can't stand it. you are right, i was being sarcastic and snarky but the truth is they want to put people oft a differing viewpoint out f business, out of sight, out of mind. they want to bury us. the long-term effect of that is there are a lot of decent fair-minded people, some of whom are democrats and liberals, who can't stomach that kind of datred, that kind of bigotry and prejudice. they've seen it and how destructive it is, and it is going to backfire on them. >> laura: cnn's brian seltzer had this excuse today for why sean spicer dancing on tv is so offensive. watch.

>> abc has george stephanopoulos, who was at the white house during the clinton years, many examples of this. the difference with the trump white house is the record of misleading the public. all administration's spin, this administration lies consistently whether it's sanders or spicer or other white house aides and it's all led by the top by the president who lies about the weather and the time of day.n,os deserve outrage and backlash. >> laura: this from a guy, laura, who's network thought that michael avenatti would be a great presidential candidate. who defended one of their anchors, who falsely tried to say someone attacked him and gavean a racial epithet when in fact there have been many on the network who have used that term. >> laura: worse than that, governor -- >> the hypocrisy. >> laura: have contributors over at cnn including jim

clapper who think most people lied before congress. the obama administration had lots of lies. you can keep your insurance,t your premiums aren't going to go up, it was a video that started the attack in benghazi, they have no problem welcoming those people into their ranks. >> to call the president of the united states guilty of treason that is an offense punishable b. they say these things, they do these things, they don't understand the irony of looking at their own words, their own actions, and not seeing the hypocrisy of it, not seeing the bigotry of it, the hatred of it, the small-mindedness of it but in the long term, i just believe they are going to buryer themselves with their own words. the bottom line, never forget this, they are very weak people with weak positions who can't defend them in an honest discussion and debate, the only thing they can do is yell and scream and try to put the other side out ofnd business.that's a. >> laura: everybody is a white

nationalist who disagrees,every. it is a tedious refrain and i agreed. the end of my angle said that be careful where you are going with this because i think there's a lot of pent up frustration that people have. everyone else can mouth off but they have to be silent. fantastic to see you as always.a my next guest is the latest glaring example of the left trying to silence conservatives. katie williams said she was stripped of her miss nevada title just days before competing in the miss america pageant, all because she supports president trump. she joins me now. katie, it's great to see you tonight. the organizers of the pageant say you signed a contract and you are distorting the facts and the problem is just solely your attaching your political views to your pageant facebook page. what is your f response?

>> first, laura, i want to thank you for having me on here. i understand what the pageant said. again, i stand by what i say.i . i support the president. i'm a u.s. army veteran and i'm proud of that fact.i am anticipi fought for our right of freedom of speech. if everyone else gets to speak their mind, i think i should too. >> i think that what we see is a double standard.i asked this qu, if you had posted a few musings about climate change or maybe some support or retweeted a video thatee was favorable towad planned parenthood or elizabeth warren, i mean, any of those issues. maybe i'm wrong, but i think they would have somehow thought isn't it lovely that she's such a vocal supporter of her issues her truth. but, if your truth is conservative, there seems to be a different standard.

>> i agree. i think the american people are kind of sick of it. that they aren't able to speak what they feel, that they are going to get penalized by their jobs. if the american people are as sick of it as i am, they can join me on katiewilliamsmv.com and we can fight together. i want to continue fighting this, against censorship. >> laura: when the pageant told you to give up your crown, they ask you to agree to this and i'm a lawyer, i loved reading this. they made you agree you will not make any appearances or indicate to anyone that you are or were ms. nevada state 2019.this is a- you can't write an agreementandy or write or post anything electronically in perpetuity. anything concerning the miss america pageant.you're on .

are you worried their big law firm is going to come after you? i'll represent you pro bono.ton. >> i appreciate that, laura. no, i'm not worried. i have had an overwhelming amount of support from bothor sides actually because even though people don't necessarily agree with me sometimes, they agree with my right to free speech. as a u.s. army veteran, i fought overseas to be able to speak my mind, i'm going to continue speaking it. >> laura: i love that parting word, you can never speak in perpetuity. it's called "overbroad," and ita court of law, by the way. so you keep making it. thanks so much for appearing here tonight. up next, we have a "the ingraham angle" exclusive. a top government watchdog claims the customs and border protection agency failed to collect dna samples from migrants for decades.-- for nea. and then, they ended up letting violent criminals walk free.

the man who blew the whistle on the obama era negligence has more to tell us, next.

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that since this law was passed almost 10 years ago, u.s. citizens and lawful permanent residents and others have been raped, harmed and killed by people that cbp had in custody and in many respects on multiple occasions. >> laura: a shocking warning from a government whistle-blower on the decade-long failure of customs and border protection officials to follow the law. and take dna samples from detained migrants. now, the goal of that program was to prosecute and remove illegals whose dna matched the fbi's violent criminal database? but, the obama administration put this program on hold in 2010 and as a result, criminals were allowed to walk free in your communities. trunp can now put a stop to that thanks to my next guest. mark jones is one of the whistle-blowers, he joins us exclusively. how could such a massive problem like this go on for so long?

>> we have been asked that many times, and we can't get an answer that says why we wouldw allow what was defined as a one year delay go into nearly a decade.>> >> laura: why was it delayed for that year? collecting dna of detained migrants to make sure that they aren't already wanted for something in the united states.. everyone watching this is going, this is so obvious, it's a typical big governmentscrew u. why was the pause implemented in the first place in the obama era? >> it was based on exigent circumstances,um volume of individuals, time taken to collect the samples. >> they didn't have the personnel? >> it wasn't necessarily personnel. it was about a 15 minute initial process and over the years, the fbi has reduced that time. >> laura: it's gone fast now, you can collect dna samples and match them with alacrity.

>> the collection is much quicker,r, it's a 2-3 day turnaround for that sample to be identified. >> laura: not bad. not to be totally wonky but read this regulation, it's pretty clear. "an agency of the united states that arrest or detains individuals or supervises, shalm individuals who are arrested or detained. for nonunited states persons or detained under the authority of the united states." dhs is the only department thats correct? that we know. >> correct. themp department of justice became compliant on january 9th 2009. >> laura: this is separate from the collection of dna to confirm family status when we have border crossers who claim they're family units and often times we find out they aren't family units.it is separate fro. >> absolutely.

>> laura: what can the trump administration do to make sure this is happening right now? >> we filed the complaint with the office of special counsel. this waiver or delay was never intended to be permanent let alone a decade. what we could do based on the findings of the special counsel of the secretary could write a letter to the attorney general today. >> acting secretary. >> right, acting secretary, and say we recognize this waiver was never intended to be for a decade and order dhs to begin the process of implementation. >> laura: i mean, they areim overwhelmed with the volume crossing the border. but, secretary mcelhinney has been on the show before, i want to get to the bottom of this and we really appreciate you sticking your neck out and doing what patriots should be doing inside this government, which is pointing out this type of dereliction of duty, malfeasance or just sheer stupidity. we appreciate you doing it. thank you for being here tonight. >> thank you.

>> laura: felon, juvenile delinquent conflict, do you see a problem? we just talked about something that didn't make sense at dhs but the pc police of san francisco want to redefine how you refer to criminals. according to "the san francisco chronicle," the city's board off doozies on thatboard, by the way, changing the guidelines and watering down the words as to not offend criminals. can we even say criminals anymore? instead of convicted felon, it's now "justice-involved person." instead of juvenile delinquent, it's "young person with justice system involvement."this is orw. joining me now, victor hansen.s. i was driving through your neck of the woods yesterday, i should have stopped and had a coke with you.

driving through your neck of the woods, i got a bird's-eye view on that part of california modesto, doesn't san francisco have other more pressing problems to solve instead of changing the nomenclature of how you refer to criminals. what is this all about? >> that's why they do it because they can't address the felonies under their noses so they talk about the abstraction. they never read orwell, they don't know anything about animal farm apparently because the lesson was when you can't change reality, you try to debase the language to reflect a fake or alternate reality. the problem is, in san francisco it looks like 19th century london or maybe even medieval constantinople. there's fees, traps, needles thousands of homeless people, we had 200,000 felonies downgraded to misdemeanors under this prop 47, as far as property crimes go, san francisco rates amongst

the highest city in the united states for property crime. when you are faced with all of that, you say there is no such thing as felonies or criminals there's e w something else. we saw with the obama administration. man caused disasters for terrorism and workplace violence for fort hood or overseas contingency operations. we see it, the doublespeak and doublethink and newspeak is all over these progressively-run cities. i wrote a column on what's called the bloomberg syndrome. when michael bloomberg couldn't get the snow out in 2010 in new york, he started talking about supersized drinks and climate change. when you can't address these elemental, existential problems in your city or your locale, you have to pontificate on the paris climate accord or some existential threat to a penguin or polar bear somewhere. it's a psychological mechanism they use to avoid dealing withtt reality. language doesn't change reality, contrary to what they say. >> laura: when i was working at "cbs news," i worked with

some really nice people. they wouldn't let me say "pro-life" in one of my scripts, they made me change it to "antiabortion rights activists." okay. that's part of it. it's all the euphemistic .language into making it all sem like it's something it's not or more pernicious when it's not. countering violent extremism instead of fighting terror. it's all of peace. i want to get your response to this news today that many of tht illegalsan arrested in those ras that got a lot of weepy coveragt those process plants are now accused of using, shocker, stolen identities. the left has defended them as innocent victims.do we expect te their stories? >> that's kind of an old story the left keeps trying to hide. the irs not long ago reported

over a million taxpayer ids that didn't match w-2s and the social security administration said, not long ago, there were over 30 million, i think it was closer to 40 million, fraudulent social security numbers that were circulating. it makes a logical sense because if the first thing to do is cross the border illegally and you flaunt of the law, and the second thing you do is continue to flaunt to the law by residing in the united states t illegall, thenal the third thing becomes pretty easy, and that is to have a fraudulent i.d. and speaking as someone who has had someone steal my i.d. and put their name on checks and steal my routing number, it's not a minor crime at all, to wake up and have somebody steal your i.d. if you did it or i that we would be in jail and our careers will be over. if if somebody does it who is here illegally, it's not a deportable offense, apparently. >> laura: the left is going to say it's not a crime to steal an i.d. because they are yearning to be free as they steal someone

else's identity and screw up ttheir social security benefit. >> until it happens to them, then when it happens to them it becomes a felony. >> laura: you are right about that. a next, another "the ingraham angle" exclusive, dan crenshaw is here to tell us about it.

>> laura: the radical left seems to be getting more depraved every day. the latest display, the young turks contributor on this vulgar rant mocking wounded war vent congressman dan crenshaw loosing his eye fighting for our

freedom.in afghanistan. >> this guy had the understanding of foreign policy of like a 12-year-old. what the [bleep] what the [bleep] is wrong with this dude? didn't ge to war and literally lose his eye because a brave soldier [bleep]ec his eye hole? isn't that how he lost his eye? he's got a [bleep] eye hole? america deserved 9/11, dude. i'm saying it. >> laura: here to respond to that vile creature is texas congressman dan crenshaw. congressman, what was your reaction when you first heard this? >> he is triggered, wasn't he? that is the definition of a leftist getting triggered, he doesn't like what he's hearing, he disagrees with it, he doesn't understand foreign policy.speaky

have almost 12 years of experience in deploying overseas, maybe that's what he wmeant. he clearly doesn't know much and when you don't know much about foreign policy, you get really mad when people disagree with you. when you can't argue your point, you tend to insult people. that is exactly the outrage culture we have.he is the perfe. he was trying to walk his comments back now, good on him for trying to do thatthis speak- >> dan, that's fine, he's trying to walk his comments back. we have all said things in the past, we shouldn't have ordered it thatna way, that's human nature. w this was so -- there wasn't a lot of room for nuance there.at. >> no, no, not at all. what i was going to say, it reflects a very deep anti-americanism that is inherent in some of these left-wing politics. when you say america deserved 9/11, you know, he is trying to sayur that's not what i meant.

he said it was our fault, though, not a big difference. he doesn't understand history or understand foreign policy, he can't actually make an argument to connect those two things and he says the only reason i'm making the argument is because i lost my eye? it doesn't make any sense. >> laura: i hate even asking about this stuff because it ism. he sounds like a valley girl and he speaks, he's a young man, he soundswo pathetic. that's number one. number two, we have to also recognize that this is of a piece, a directory of where we are going under this president.s continue to a lot of what he said he was going to do. they can't stand that. i don't know what they are going to do if he wins reelection. >> they are triggered constantly

if these small things get themrr going to do when trump gets another win in 2020, let's watch them melt down then. this kind of stuff has to stop we have to be able to have nuanced conversations and when you are talking about "the young turks" in particular, they are highly radical, and they're given a platform by youtube tv which is something that is incomprehensible to me, this guy was back on the young turks just now talking about those same comments and trying to defend them.it's ridiculous. >> laura: youtube would never tolerate anything like that from a conservative, i doubt that. they are de-platforming people all over the place. i thinkk it's the first time on the show and we really appreciate your being here. say hi to all of our friends in texas. in the next segment, what would life under bernie sanders presidency really mean? time debate that, and we will debate it the right way, when we come back.

>> my hope is president of the united states will be to say to russia, china, countries all over the world, maybe instead of spending on of weapons designed to kill each other, maybe we combine our resources and combat our common enemy which is climate change. >> laura: they are for world government,nt no. bernie sanders unveiled a $16

trillion green new deal.with a . he wants to run the whole country on green energy and government jobs for whoever wants them. it's only the latest democrat plan to dramatically reshape the country. so what would life actually be like under this plan? here now is matt schlapp chairman of the american conservative union, monique wpresley as well is with us. please tell me, everything should get along, we shouldn't have to have any weapons, that would be great.that would be fa. but how is this actually feasible economically and physically possible to accomplish? >> some parts of it maybe are not physically possible to accomplish right now. the plan that he rolled out is one that is going to, in my opinion, take a lifetime and a few people's lifetimes to accomplish. it is definitely ambitious.

it's not my favorite outut of al the candidates out there who have plans, but there are things that are important. recognizing climate is an issue that can no longer be ignored and we can't be in this land of climate change, climate crisis denying and actually have something left for our children and our grandchildren. in terms of our goals, it's necessary.the terms of the amouy being spent and whether it can be done. >> laura: by 2050, fully decarbonized.the economy. fully. >> this is hard because we are all made of carbon and we're spewing carbon kai oxide. >> $200 million to help poor countries do their own primate stuff. i would like to put that into baltimore, chicago l.a., san francisco, i would like to not fight these foreign wars. bernie and i agree on a lot of military intervention, i'mon totally with him on a lotf that stuff.but this is i'm sorrt want to say it, with you it bu.

if you want a goal of having a better -- it's fine.these bulle. these are things he says he can do. >> we have to give him credit. ayy this is plan cost more? he's the first candidate to say if we are going to decarbonized our economy, we have to do some expensive things. by the way, it's's not 16 trilln to decarbonized our society,whiy runs, fossil fuels, but i give him a lot of credit but it is looney tunes. every middle-class family that tries to fill their tank, rich people like the obama's and others.the 1%, in the end, wheny say they're going after the middle class, they better hold on to their umbrellas because it's going to rain on them. >> laura: they canth always figurethth it out, it's the poor people in the middle class i'm concerned about. apparently, the dnc committee on the debate tonight decided they

aren't doing a debate on climate change, dedicated to climate change. so as popular as this is especially among young people, that is a big thing. they don't want to talk about this because i think they knowtr metaphors, radioactive. >> i don't think they want to devote an entire debate to it, i wish cthey had. it's not something i agree with. >> laura: what does that tell you about their confidence?? i >> it's not confidence in the issue needing to be addressed it's confidence in where it lies among the voters which is what matters. to senator sanders credit, it's an expensive proposition but the reason why it's important. >> to bankrupt our country. >> it's not something we can do alone. we can be the best in the world of trying to combat climate change but if the world is and tried to combat it. >> i agree with you. every little drop that we don't used to fuel our economy

somebody else on the globe will use. there will be no net benefit. >> laura: we will be energy independent, we've got to give it all up. it's a quote, patrick murray director of monmouth poling is worried about biden. "i did not meet one biden voter who wasn't in any way excited voting for biden. if they had to feel somebody-- o vote for biden who they feel is unelectable getting the nomination." it sounds like hillary clinton he's hillary 2.0. is there a concern about the excitement cap about voting for biden versus warren, for instance? >> i'm not hearing that right now. this is a poll done in iowa, it's talking about a small percentage of biden voters. i think that people are more than excited about biden and they are committed to biden,

and that's what matters. that is what is going to turn a vote. the excitement cap can go to one candidate and another one and another one. >> laura: bait and switch. >> and, technically, we haven't even started election season. >> it's joe biden's race to lose, but the problem is doing a pretty j good job losing it.you. >> laura: joe biden doesn't seem like he's into it half the time. i think jill biden should run. she seems more hopped up about it.biden is like -- obama says, hey, joe, you don't have to do it. thanks so much. up next, lawmakers propose new billsse to combat domestic terrorism after the mass shooting in dayton and el paso.but, at what cost? some civil libertariansworryingt rights.

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recess. the goal well intentioned enougp them from acting in a criminal and devastating manner. but there is a catch. it will empower police to arrest people for crimes that in many cases haven't been committed yet. joining me now, the former director of every town for gun safety and eric kratz senior vice president for gun owners of america. eric, should americans be concerned about this increasingly popular idea of declaring certain groups domestic terror groups? >> we should.these red flag lawt going to make anybody safer. the definitive study was done by the crime research prevention center, and they found these laws don't reduce mass shootingr suicides. if there is any area there is in effect, it's in rape and there's a slight uptick.k. we've seen these laws are used by men to disarm their femalevie

laws used to disarm good people, like gary willis of maryland, a decent law-abiding -- >> shot in his own home. >> shot in his own home. when they came to confiscate his guns. it was a family argument and the relative who filed a false claim against him for revenge, they showed up to take his firearms. he answered the door with a gunn in hand, it was 5:17 in the morning, that's how most gun owners would answer and they shot him anyway. >> laura: jeh johnson former obama press secretary was on msnbc and he said you've got to be very careful here. you can't criminalize thoughts. you can criminalize thought connected to action that is criminal, but you can't -- even extremist groups, cannot do that. he was sounding the alarm, and chuck todd didn't know what to do with that.whoa what do i do ? are you concerned? you are also a civil

libertarian, are you concerned about criminalizing thought? >> i am. i don't thinkim we should doit,e should do what you were worried about which is name entire groups if they are extremist domestic terrorists. we should take a page from what we have done from to stop at efforts to stop domesticterroris since 9/11, not just people are saying but what they are doing. you have the el paso shooter whose mother is calling the police because she is concerned and a case like that everyone adds up to a person posing arisg authorities can do. >> laura: if there a crime, a red flag law, any federal law would that have stopped him? >> there already laws on the books since those shootingsin e, there have been almost 30 people arrested for threats of mass killing and they've done it the old-fashioned way. >> laura: he had something written where he was threatening -- he had andve raps

banned from school for a year, i believe, for making that threat. that seems like someone who needed an intervention. but, if you do not have a criminal act, that's a criminal threat. if you don't have a criminal act --that's when people -- >> that's a felony threat, he could have been arrested. >> laura: he could have been arrested but he wasn't arrested. people aren't being arrested. that case in florida, parkland horrible carnage. that kid was shuffled around,sh, he was a huge problem to the school, huge behavioral problem but the school didn't want to report him as a criminal threat because then they get branded an unsafe school. a lot of different dynamics going on here, where is this going to end up? >> there's a lot of support for this in places you wouldn't expect it. the president is looking closely at it. lindsey graham has proposed it

the heritage foundation hasprod. as long as there are safeguards that prevent people from getting in trouble, i think we are on the same page. >> laura: in some cases that is obvious, what if somesomeone, they really support the 2nd amendment and no one is taking my gd guns from me and i'm really mad right now. it's someone who had depressive tendencies in the past, you can kind of spin out the facts. >> every state that has a red flag law throws due process out the window. they don't have due process and it eviscerates second amendment rights. >> laura: you have to haveve second amendment proceduressand. >> absolutely. >> otherwise day pending on who is in pow we're, what's a threat. >> absolutely. >> >> thank you so much for joining us. the r latest red scare from msnbc is tonight's last bite. you're not going to believe this one.

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>> laura: it's time for the >> it is time for the last bite. reality still hasn't set in for the morning joe crew on sony russian collusion. >> this is what the founders in many ways were concerned about. i don't remember a president who seemed as though clearly a willing agent of foreign governments. >> donald trump is beholden to russia, trump apologists in the media get very angry when anybody suggests that and start pushing back. they don't like that he is being blackmailed by vladimir putin, there has been no evidence of that, what is their explanation. >> we had obama actually tell

medved, about flexibility after the election, never found out what he was talking about. astonishing lack of curiosity about that but donald trump imposed sanctions, he is the real bad guy. raymond arroyo is out in la for us and is going to give us an exclusive preview of what is going on. shannon: a fox news alert from america's news headquarters. firefighters are responding to a light rail collision in sacramento california. according to sacramento fire a total of 27 people have been hurt, 13 were transported to the hospital and the remaining 14 were treated on the scene, no one suffered life-threatening injuries and no one died. the incident happened just west of the winter street light rail station, so far there is no official word on what caused this crash but one witness on the scene says