>> good evening and welcome to a special campus craziness edition of tucker carl son tonight. more than 50% of kids aged 18 to 24 view socialism favorably. it's easy to make fun of this but isntead, it's worth asking why? why are so many young people the majority, giving up oniv american free enterprise? is it possible universities are to blame? it's not just that they have far left professors, it's also

that universities are getting rich charging kids tens of thousands of dollars for degrees but actually don't guarantee a middle-class life. that's injustice and when young people experience that it's not surprising that they would look for radical political change. justin haskins is a research fellow at the heartland institute and editor in chief of stoppingsocialism.com.hi he joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: it seems pretty clear that this trend toward socialism, an ideology that's impoverished and murdered a lot of the world over the past hundred years, kids are embracing it because of what they are learning in schools. the experience of higher education. why do we set back passively and let i. that happen? >> i think that the reason that this is happening, honestly, is not because people understand what socialism is. i think most young peoplehave at socialcism is. have you ever talked to a young person about what socialism is? they have noha clue what it is. what theyy know is that the current system that we have now

whether you are talking about college education loans or talking about economics or wall street or anything else they know that system is broken and that it's corrupt and that it's full of cronyism and they don't like it and they know that and they are being told by their marxist professors the reason that that exists is because there are all of these millionaires and billionaires if we could just take their money away from them and give it to the power of the government give the money to government then we could solve all of these problems. so i think it's a combination on ignorance and the fact s that people don't like this crony system that exist throughout our economyy today. >> tucker: well, they have every reason not to like it in their they are absolutely right that is corrupt and that it is thwarting their progress but has anyone told him that the people benefiting from its at these big corporations and private equity worlds, these are all liberals? i mean, this is the left getting rich from it. do they know that that? >> no, they have no clue because the left is the one teaching them. america's public schools are socialist indoctrination factories from the time you walk into kindergarten until the time you leave college, you are being indoctrinated and there is a really good chance you are going to be indoctrinated by a

left-wing college professor or a left-wing k-12 teacher, and this is the only message that you're getting. you are told not to pay attention to all of the terrible horror stories from the past and the soviet union and ukraine and all of these other places around the world, venezuela north korea, all of these horror storiesab about socialism who don't pay attention to that. pay attention to the tillionaires and billionaires. they are the problem. this is the problem with our education system today. it's completely corrupt and it is completely dishonest and because of that we have a whole generation of people were frankly totally ignorant about onthe history of socialism and o that's why they are signing onto it. not because they love socialism but because they don't like crony capitalism and they think that this, that what bernie sanders and aoc are calling for, this is the opposite of that when in reality itng only makes things so much worse. >> tucker: so in the minute we have left, and this is maybe this is a several day long recession but why the rest of us paying for this? >> why are the rest of us paying for this? that is a fantastic question. i have no idea. t p

i mean, conservative people for many years has been asleep at the wheel. conservative parents have sent their kids away to college and they have allowed their kids to nd indoctrinated by marxist professors. why are they allowing this to happen? why are they allowing k-12 schools, even in conservative states, to be teaching their kids, to be teaching kids far left ideology. i don't know why this is happening. we need to wake up, people who l pport individual liberty and personal freedom and they need to wake up and they need to start taking control of these institutions in supporting policiesl like universal education saving and other things like that that will allow people to take their kids out of these failing schools and put them into schools that match the ideology of their parents. >> tucker: we are way too passive in the face of this. good to see you tonight thank you for that. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: so, today's college students are learningsp extremism but are thy learning much else? and if they are not learning much else, then why her parents spending tens of thousands of

dollars every year to send their kids there? recently we had a conversation with adam carolla. here's how it went. >> your kids are about to turn 13co i and college is not that r from now. are you happy at the prospect of sending them to college or no? >> no, i'm not. i mean, especially the cost of college andhe also i don't know what they are going to learn in college these days. also, it seems weird to me that they need to be shipped off somewhere to go to college. like, that's a weird concept to me. with all the information in the world at your fingertips and on your smartphone, the idea that you're going to get in a plane and go across the country and to go into a brick-and-mortar building, i mean, you think about these colleges. are there older buildings in thu country than the college campus? look, i grew up in north hollywood. the i oldest building we had waa kmart from 1974. you go to harvard or yale or princeton, i mean, these things are at 300 years old.

as far as this country goes, those are the oldest structures physically in our land. and the notion that we are going to send in there to have their brains sort of scrambled by a bunch of people who couldn't cut it in the private sector doesn't make sense. >> tucker: so you just made -- you got to the heart of it. he said all human informationuc basically resides on this device in your pocket, but we are putting them on a plane and paying 70 grand a year just on them someplace else. so maybe it's not really about acquiring knowledge. so what is it about? what is the point? >> i think the notion is -- the knowledge part is a little bit null and void because you can quench your thirst for knowledge about any subject at any time on the computer so then it becomes about, well, what about experience? then, what about social interaction experience, and i would say drop them off at a business and let them be what

they used to call me on the construction site. start off as a glorified goober which is a low man on the totem pole. can we say low man anymore? no. low -- i don't know. i don't want to use a pejorative here and assign.the right gende. >> i know the right term is tuhey" ." >> low they. not on the totem pole because that's cultural appropriation. low they on the barber pole? no. low they on the flagpole? >> no definitely not on the flagpole.on the utility pole. low they on a telephone pole. yeah. let them show up, let them learn how to work, let them learn how to interact. >> tucker: i'm with you>>100%. i don't know a lot of parents in our world who can pay for college. i don't understand doing that. n> this notion of you were the first person to go to college and our family, isn't that kind of a bygone era? or this notion of --

look, people in my family went to college. i didn't go to college, i'm vastly more successful than everyone in my family. dad, where is dad? i'm insanely, insanely more successful than everyone who went to college, so you are talking to w the wrong cat. my thing is like get to work work early, work often, get a job, fight to keep it come and see if you can better yourself along the way, but this notion of dropping them off somewhere in a time when we have made the concession that there is no more brick-and-mortar anymore. i mean, ifes you want to buy a book, you but it on the internet. if you want to buy a dvd or whatever it is you want, there is no more brick-and-mortar. why is the last brick-and-mortar thing literally bricks and mortar's from 300 years ago? >> tucker: has anybody provided a good answer for that? that you've heard? >> no, but i don't -- i think the notion of college

is sort of like, when we grew up, you go out to breakfast and they put a sprig of parsley by the side of the plate and he would go why do you do that? and they would go that's because what you do and he would go is anyone either parsley and theyt go,, no. does anyone enjoy the parsley? no. is anyone either parsley? no. or why do we need the parsley? because that's what you do. and then at some point in 1980 the parsley went away and nobody was outraged. nobody was like, where's the parsley? how am i my supposed to enjoy how am i my supposed to enjoymye lee and enjoy it. -- the parsley and enjoy it. i feel like college, i feel it we could do that with college. if you want to be a doctor, if you want to be an oral surgeon we all know those caveats of course you need training, you need the sciences, engineering whatever itos is but for adjustg

humanity humanities and general education and all of that kind of stuff, that's the parsley by the side of the plate. >> tucker: every year american colleges raise their costs far faster than inflation. instead of pushing colleges to charge less, the left would like american taxpayers to pay more to read how does that work? we will tell you next as our special continues.

>> live in america's news headquarters, hurricane dorian is now a dangerous category 4 storm as it continues to make its way towards florida. take a look at this, forecasters say it coo hit the state some time late labor day into early tuesday with extremely dangerous winds that could top 140 miles per hour. people around the state have been stocking up on food,

supplies, leave many stores and shelves empty. president trump has already declared a state of emergency in that state. and sad news out of hollywood, actress valerie harper has died. her family says she passed away after a long battle with cancer. she was best known for her role on the market tyler moore show and later got her on spin-off. she was 80 years old. now back to tucker carlson tonight. >> tucker: welcome back to a special edition of campus craziness.>> every year, american colleges like clockwork raise their tuition, and in almost every school, the increase in cost is higher than the inflation rate. the education meanwhile does not improve. it's a disaster. somebody needs to bring these colleges back into line but instead the democratic

presidential candidates, almost everyone of them are promising to pump more tax dollars into the system. every major democratic candidate is promising to spend more taxpayer dollars funding college tuition. what would be the effect if we actually did that? robbie swazi is an associate editor at reason. he joins us.thank you very muchg on. so no one has even explained why college gets more expensive every year above the inflation rate, but it does and it drives an awful lot of desperation in this country and an excuse of our economy. what would happen if the federal government decided to pump even more money into colleges? >> i can only imagine that the problem would continue to get worse. studies have shown that the government's subsidizing of the student loans, of the money students have to borrow to go to these colleges to afford them only causes colleges to raise their prices which makes perfect sense. if your customers are paying for it down the road, they are not sure what they're paying right now, someone else is covering it

and they are going to be stuck with the bill later, of course you can mask the price for the government is saying they will cover these people so the universities have no incentive whatsoever to keep prices at a place where young people can afford to get this education and then move on from their lives and get jobs. it continues to get worse because the government just throws him more money at this problem because more education must be good, must be better. who could be against this? >> tucker: wait a second. college costs are out of control, everybody's upset aboua it.uc politician comes in and says we just make it free and that will solve the problems and you are saying that won't solve the problem? >> no. of course i won't. somebody has to pay for, right? but that just would incentivize more people to go and if you have to always get a leg up on everyone else because first you need a high school diploma, now a college degree and now you need a graduate degree and a

masters degree and a phd before you're even qualified to work at starbucks because everybody else has won because the government has encouraged everyone to go as long as possible and take out loans is necessary. we are just forcing people to jumpd through more hoops before they can get a job, and there is no benefit to society.ob it's not more productive to make people do more kind of useless learning and training to delay their own employment and go into debt. why are we doing that? like, that makes no sense whatsoever. >> tucker: we are doing it because we are told that education is essential to compete in thess 21st century economy, and with the hope that the population will get better educated, wiser, more informed better able to administer their democracy. it is there any evidence that's happened? >> no, i don't think so. >> saying it out loud, makes me want to laugh.ha >> education has some benefits sure. but what's the cost? if you are delaying the job market for four, five, six years. you talk to guidance counselors that they say doesn't matter

take more time, study a foreign find yourself, pay years of tuition along the way. that's terrible advice. you should go there, get out come up a little as you can because it is a matter at the end of the day. the employers are just looking for that credential that's all it is.ner it's a credential that says -- becausee you forget all that. the studies have shown over and over again students forget like 90% of what they learned within four years of being done with college. i probably don't number than 10% of what i learned and i'm in a rareer sort of roughly involved with ideas and public policy so i can only imagine it is more useless for other people. you have to compete with everyone else and everyone else took out all these loans and they screwed it up and delayed their lives in order to jump through hoops. >> tucker: if you want to be educated, read. there's lots of reading list out there. >> there is the internet, there's lots of ways to educate yourself without going into debt. >> tucker: and it's free. robbie, thank you for that perspective. i appreciate it. well, hundreds of schools now

employed by us response teams. what is that? it's a squad of busybody administrators who encourage students to import proper thought crimes by their classmates. we spoke with speech first president nicole neely about this disturbing trend, and here's what she said. did i overstate that? bias response teams? they squeeze out of the rafters to arrest you if you have an unapproved thought? >> yes, there's actually an online porter on the university of michigan's website where you can see his report speech that you have overheard some of you and i are having a conversation about a tv show we saw last night, somebody walks by and think they don't like that word and then they can go a login and make a report that and then we will have to go and we will be brought before the team which is made up of administrators and campus police and we will have to explain ourselves. >> tucker: you have to talk to the police if someone reports you for saying something unapproved? so what if you say are not interested in this kind of thing and i don't want to talk to you and buzz off? >> well, you will be subject to punishments which might include

remediation. i think they call it restorative justice so you might have to go to cultural appropriation training or some other kind of diversity education, unconscious bias training, i hear that is a thing these days, and that can go up to and include expulsion depending on how serious your b transgression was. >> tucker: so you have no power? has anyone before you pointed out that you have an absolute right guaranteed in the first amendment to the bill of rights to say what you think is true. >> yeah, there is lot of people that i've written about that and the foundation of independent rights?nd >> tucker: what about the aclu, ghere are they on this? >> they haven't weighed in yet. >> tucker: i thought they cared about free speech. >> they stepped back from that recently and so we decided to bring a lawsuit. we are a membership association and we have three students at the university of michigan who are enrolled who are fighting--h

back. we've decided to represent them, because they are scared with good reason. they don't want their names out there so we are looking out for them. >> tucker: what is the university's position on this? if the first amendment doesn't exist? or doesn't cover college campuses?do they have an argume? >> they haven't responded to us yet. we will be filing for preliminary injunction so we will come to some conclusion where the rights actually are respected. >> tucker: could you make the university out ofwie business ad make sure it never rises again fromhi the ashes. >> as you say, they are more than 200 schools. >> tucker: i hope you crush them all because this is a threat to everything that we stand for and leave then. this is really a threat and i'm glad you are addressing it. a >> thank you. >> tucker: thank you. while, a lot of america's top politicians tend to be deeply unimpressive people and their kids? not much better. and yet somehow they seem to be snagging a slots in america's mt elite universities. why is that? a deep look into america's fake democracy next as our special continues.

>> tucker: welcome back to our campus craziness special. as america becomes increasingly unequal, seats the top universities are increasingly critical if you want to get access to the upper echelons of wealth and power in this country, but does everyone have an equal shot of getting into those universities? well, of course not. we explored this fact earlier this year.this is what we concl. if you've ever watched chris cuomo over on cnn, you may have wondered how did this guy get a tv show? sure, he's got well-defined abdominal muscles and good for him, but he can barely speak english. there are nights when he admits entire paragraphs that mean nothing at all to just pure gibberish. like a pig latin dogs barking. it's kind of remarkable. was this guy educated in the united states? let's check wikipedia. wait a second, the entry says that chris comeau went to yale university in connecticut.

that can't be right. yale has famously high admission standards. your kids couldn't get into yale, no chance. you'd have toig be incredibly smart, geniuses really. is chris comeau a secret genius? does he have some amazing talent that's invisible on television? maybe he speaks paulist urdu or maybe he has a deep grounding in particle physics. perhaps he can calculate pi to the final digit. actually, no. chris cuomo can't do any of that. it turns out he has an even more impressive qualification, his father was the governor of new york. if you want to get into a top americanan college, it's best to have a parent who is a well-known democratic politician. that's the most effective credential of all. don't take our word for it,li ak donte de blasio, the son of bill de blasio, the incompetent mayor of new york city. there is no evidence that the younger de blasio did remarkably well in high school,

and yet,e like chris cuomo, he somehow got into yale. once there, dante de blasio found himself surrounded by people just like himself, the thoroughly average children of other prominent liberals. according to the associated press reports that would include the offspring of at least three democrats currently serving in the u.s. senate. michael bennet, amy klobuchar and sheldon whitehouse.t all of them sent kids to yale. did you? no.s but they did. their colleague richard blumenthal of connecticut meanwhile is one of the stunning number of senate democrats who have sent children to harvard university. senator bob of new jersey has a parent and so is chuck schumer good he said both his kids to havesc repaired barack obama sent one of his and sorted former new york governor eliot spitzer. the all-time record though must go to former vice president al gore. al gore sent four. imagine that. four kids in a road to harvard. what are the odds of that occurring in nature? well, statistically, it's about as likely as getting hit by lightning every single day for a year.y and yet somehow the gore family pulled it off. congratulations, gore family.

andrew cuomo, the sitting governor of new york, sent one of his kids are up above the other two went to brown. that's also an ivy league university that your kids could never get into. town is, as they say, highly selective at least for the children of nonpoliticians. but for pure 200 proof exclusivity, nothing beats stanford university outside of san francisco. you can live your entire life in this country and never meet a single person who went to stanford. it's that rarified and yet here's the amazing part. hillary clinton's daughter breezed right in. how did chelsea do that? was it her formidablehiid brainpower? well, you can check out her put twitter feed and judge for yourself. now there's a chance that chelsea is intentionally misleading us. it's possible that her entire public persona is a kind of performance art. a parody of mindless lifestyle liberalism, but if that's the case, chelsea clinton is utterly

brilliant. she's the jonathan swift of our time. but it's also possible that chelsea isn't joking at all. j it's possible, indeed even probable, that she is every bit as dull and self serious as she appears to be. in that case, not only is chelsea clinton profoundly sub-brilliant, you got to wonder how she holds a paying job. how did someone like that get into stanford? you might t have the same questn about some of the kids at georgetown university in washington, d.c. the magazine is available online so next time you got a second free, take a look. you will recognize many of the names and see biden, pelosi, kennedy. these are the children of famous hedemocratic politicians. are they impressive hardworking kids who deserve to be alone of this country's most prestigious universities? possibly. maybe some of them. maybe not. doesn't matter. in fact, it's irrelevant. they are the offspring of prominent democrats. that's the point and that's why they are at georgetown. so how does this happen?

it happens because ameritocracy is a sham. it's fake. they show you that all of the most accomplished get into the schools but they are lying. there's friends kids get first dibs. fellow members of kids whose families can help them down the road. the children of the sympathetic politicians are an obvious parity for officers. these are the same officers who funneled billions in tax dollars to colleges and universities every year. so letting the senators get into harvard is just smart business. ithe quid pro quo is obvious. it's a kind of unregulated lobbying. remember the varsity blues scandal in california where a group of socially anxious soccer moms tried to gain the college admission system? well, this is far more corrupt than that except that nobody's going to prison for it. so how many chris cuomo's get year?ale every it would be nice to know, but we don't know. like almost everything about higher education, it's opaque. prestigious schools can pretend that they admit only the most qualified applicants because nobody can prove otherwise. the real admissions numbers are secret. they are hidden from public

view. even though we paid for those schools because all of them take massive amounts in tax dollars. elite colleges are like public companies that lie about their balance sheets. they are cooking the books to defraud shareholders. in this case, the shareholders are the entire country. a handful of elite schools form the gateway to success in america. if you go to harvard, you are alll but guaranteed to make more money over the course of your life than somebody who didn't go to harvard. it's that simple. and so when you rig the admission system, what you are really rigging is american society. you are creating an impenetrable class system for your own benefit, and that's exactly what theyey are doing. you often hear progressives say that they worry about income inequality. they don't mean it at all. how do you know they don't mean it? because if the left really cared about the stratification of american society, they would make college admissions transplant. they would force stanford for example to open the books and show the rest of us how exactly they are assembling this year's

freshman class. that's what they would do. and, yet, democrats in congress haven't done that and won't do that. they seem strangely incurious about how the process works. like they don't really want to know all of the details. in fact, they already know precisely how the admissions game works and they strongly approve. why wouldn't they approve? their kids are benefiting from it. that segment got a big response from viewers, so shortly thereafter we had hillbilly elegy author j.d. vance, one of the smartest people in the public conversation on to talk about it. here's what happened. so what effect, considering the role that universities have in structuring our society, what effect does their corruption have on this country? >> yes, i think there are three really big problems that it's worth unpacking a little bitbl here, tucker. so first, you have the universities which are effectively the gateway to a better life if you come from a lower or even middle income back on.att

i think that's a really disgusting way to structure society to say that you have to go through this particular social test, you have to get into these particular colleges if you want to have ag. second, even though it's disgusting, it is true and given that fact we live in a world where there are a limited number of the admission spots that are going to go to people and if you tell people that you are going to give an admission spot to somebody who is the son of privilege who happen to be related to a politician from new york, then what you are effectively telling the middle-class kid or lower income kid is that you don't get that spot because that spot is going to go to a child of privilege. and the third and we have to be worried about is that part of the reason why our university system is so corrupt and doesn't work well for the broad middle of the country is that it isn't actually represented and it doesn't have the broad middle of the country taking part in its classrooms and taking part in its public debates. and so given how exclusive these institutions are and how important they are interning out the country's elites, we should wantdl them to be broadly represented of the entire country and not just say you get a special spot if you

happen to be a child of privilege or if you meet certain social tests. we should want the entire country represented in these institutions which of course they are not. >> tucker: so you had it in extraordinary and unusual experience coming from the middle of the country from a working-class background winding up at yale law school. you wrote a great book about it. but, as he looked around it when you were there, you must've seen very few people like you. >> yeah, that's one of the things that actually motivated me to write the book. i got there and i sort of felte like my spaceship had crashedan. i was clearly out of place at an institution like that but again given how important these places are in creating the country's elite, how many of our politicians come from yale harvard or stanford law school? how m many of our business leaders push my company and the people actually call the shots in politics, finance, even our nonprofit organizations? so the fact that we are creating the system that is so -- that create such a bottleneck for having a good life and yet

at the same time we give precious spots to people who gidon't deserve them, it's realy just the worst of both possible worlds. and i think we need to build a society where you don't have to go to harvard law school to be able to have a pretty good life, and two, even if that's true, those institutions are a little bit more open to people who actually represent the country, that those institutions they aim to government over. >> every year young people in this country get poorer relatively speaking and more indebted. and yet universities that educate them, they are richer. so we've got a proposal for fixing that problem. we will show you what it is next, as our special continues.

>> live from america's news headquarters, it is the calm before the storm in florida as the state braces for the land

fall of hurricane dorian. forecasters upgraded that stormt with maximum sustained winds of 140 miles per hour. long lines like these have been seen at gas stations across the state while supermarkets are running out of water and food.is court has tossed a sole conviction against an illegal immigrant who fatally shot a woman in 2015. jose inez garcia zarate was facing a gun charge but it was over turned because a judge failed to instruct the jury on one of his defenses. kate's family was on a san francisco peer when garcia shot her in the back. he was also acquitted of her murder. i'm aishah hasnie, now back to "tucker carlson tonight." >> tucker: young people in america face a number of obstacles, but the student loan

bubble may be the single biggest one. we propose a solution to this problem. here's what it was. america's collective student loan debt now stands at more than $1.5 trillion. for some perspective, that's more than the entire gdp of spain or sweden or any of the 54 countries in africa.nt apart from mortgages, student loans are the biggest source of personal data in this country. more than car loans and credit card bills. that's a staggering amount of debt. that's enoughre to distort and cripple the u.s. economy. it's enough to stomp the life prospects of an entire generation of young people. if you are wondering why the majority of americans under 30 say they prefer socialism, debt is a major reason. student loans are killing them and they never go away. thanks to extensive lobbying efforts here in washington student loans unlike other forms of debt cannot be erased by bankruptcy. economist lenore hawkins came on the show recently and explain the consequences of that.

>> these guys start to default who is going to be left holding the bag. well, of the really big challenges here is you can't actually get through bankruptcy. you can't remove this debt, where you can with everythingelo do?ev you're not going to pay your credit card bill, you're not going to pay your mortgage, you are not going to pay her home on because you don't have a choice even when you go to bankruptcy to not pay your student loan debt. >> tucker: the student loan crisis is a modern problem. just 13 years ago, the average new college graduate owed $20,000 in student loans. today, that number has jumped to 37,000. student debt is rising far faster than the earnings of american workers, the very earnings that are supposed to justify student loans in the first place. for professional degrees, the number goes far higher than that. the average law school graduate

carries more than $110,000 in student loan debt. for new doctors, the burden is nearly $200,000 by the time they finishedch medical school. overall, 2 million americans owe more than a hundred grand in student loans. imagine starting life that far behind. many of the people paying offe college loan debt never even earned a degree. they tried to improve their lives by attending college but they wound up more poor and in bondage. and not just a few of them, millions and millions of them. one of the effects of this? while the damage is far more profound than anything caused by climate change. young people are broke. as a result, they are delaying the vital life transitions that were automatic for earlier generations.s. in 1990, a quarter of american adults live with their parents. today, the number has risen to 35%. the homeownership rate for millenials has dropped eight points from the generation before. unable to afford homes,le millennials are getting married later and less often. they are also having fewer kids not because they don't want children.according to gallup, te percentage of americans who want children has not changed in

25-years, yet, fewer children are being born. thanks in part to rising debt levels, america's middle class cannot replace itself. that's why we are told we must import millions of new workers from abroad. young americans want homes and families.of helping them get those things ought to be our top priority as a country. we can't begin until we reform the student loan system. why haven't we done that yet? well, a hugely powerful lobby stands in the way. colleges and universities. their lobbists swarm washington and not surprisingly these are the people who benefit from student loan debt. the drive to rural america and you see how well they have done in a sea of poverty and disparity you will notice gated islands of affluence. these are colleges. outside the gates, people are unemployed and dying of opioid overdoses. inside the gates, it's like the ritz on south beach. if you haven't been to an american university lately, see it for yourself. everything is new. there has been a building boom underway for decades on campuses and all of it funded by debt that is destroying a generation

of american kids. a hundred schools now have an dominant over a billion dollars. they our hedge funds with schools attached. what have colleges done with this money? well, they have hired massive staffs of like-minded people,fo. from 1987 to 2012, the number of administrators on college campuses more than doubled. that's far bigger than the increase of actual students going to college. colleges routinely make six-figure salaries. what exactly do they do for them? not a single thing that makes this a better country. college presidents off to get seven-figure salaries for their o pay is probably the only thing rising as fast as tuition costso getting rich from the debt boom. prices of textbooks have tripled over it in the last 20 years. printing hasn't gotten more expensive, nonacademic books are cheaper now than they were two decades ago, but students are a captive market and they are being exploited ruthlessly. nobody says a word about it.

so, to sum up, young people in this country get poorer every year.college administrators, probablyth the least impressive rogroup in the country, are getting more rich at their expense. it's not a law of the universe that this has to happen. it's a product of policy and of the insensitivities our country has created over time. right now the federal government allows young people to take out an almost unlimited amount of student loans. colleges know this of course and theyththtnd hike their tuition o capture as much of that as they can. young people have little choice but to go along with it. tocolleges control access to the credentials that we are all convinced or necessary mandatory, to achieve success in the modern economy.it's a racqu. these are the gatekeepers of modern society and they are ripping off every kid who passes through those gates. what is the solution? well, here's one. have colleges cosigned the loans and why shouldn't they? if you and i enter into a partnership in business and we succeed, we share the rewards.

but we also share the risk. if we fail, we are both on the hook for that. that's how honest arrangements onrk. college loans don't work that way. colleges get rich no matter what happens to the kids.pp kids are on their own. if students get a degree and a decent job and repay their loans, that's great. and but if they drop out ofd college and their degrees turn out to be worthless, as so many are, and they can't repay what they have borrowed, so what? the college doesn't care. they have no stake in the outcome. colleges get all of the benefit and none of the risk. that is the definition of a scam. it's amazing itt could even be illegal. it should not be illegal. rybe congress could take 20 minutes from the russia hoax and posturing about climate change and fix one of the actual problems, one of the biggest problems this country faces. pass a law forcing colleges to share the liability of faulty--. the colleges can't afford it? the taxpayer should shoulder all the risk? it's kind of hard to make that case out loud.

it's too stupid. congress should act now. the student loan system is going to collapse. that is inevitable. before it does, let's be very clear about who has been profiting from it. dozens of wealthy parents are caught scamming the system to get their kids into college. the legendary mike rowe had something to say about that. we will tell you what it is next.

>> tucker: welcome back to our campus craziness special. this spring, the country wasas rocked by the varsity blues scandal. wealthy business owners and hollywood figures including felicity huffman and lori mclaughlin were caught using fraud to get their children into elite colleges. mike rowe, by contrast, has spentvhis life promoting honest blue-collar labor and alternatives to expensive college degrees.

it was no surprise he had a lot to say about this and what it tells us about our elites. here's the conversation made thanks for coming on. so i have been wanting for the past two weeks to get your opinion of this college scandal because it intersects with so many people you've been talking about for so long. what's your view of that? >> first and obvious thing to say is an outrage butt, everybody's outrage. but you step back and you look at it, you know, i think it's fair to say what is most outrageous? what are we really angry about? cheaters are bad. cheaters are bad because when people cheat, people who don't cheat get taken advantage of and that's just fundamentally not fair. we all get that. the rich cheaters seem to really upset us, especially, and i think part of what's crystallized the outrage around the story is the fact that the people who most egregiously cheated had an awful lot of money and for my money and, for my money, if i stepped back to look at it, i was like

yeah, that is kind of disgusting but where is the outrage for the cost of college in general? i mean, you don't have to be rich or famous to believe that your kid is doomed to fail if they don't get a four-year degree. there are millions of parents in the country right now, millions, who genuinely feel that if they don't do everything they can to get their kid into a good school, they will fail the kid. so where's the outrage for the pressure that we put on a 17-year-old to borrow $100,000? so much of that pressure comes from their mom and dad. it's well intended but it's kind of tragic, and where's the outrage for the guidance counselors who continually say the best path for the most people just happens to be the most expensive? and the politicians and the lobbyists who exacerbate the t same myth and the employers who still insist on only interviewing people with a four year degree? we set the table in a pretty self-evident way and only when we scratch our heads, you

are exactly right. the cost of tuition it has increased faster than inflation itbut also faster than health care, faster than real estate, faster than food, faster than energy. never before in the history of western civilization has anything so potentially important become so egregiously expensive. so, yeah, college is expensive because we freed up an unlimited pile of free money and told an entire generation they were doomed to fail if they didn't borrow it, and that's happened in every single tax bracket, not just the top one. >> tucker: that's exactly right. so we really shouldn't be surprised, as you just said, when people who try and game the system that's been described to them since day one as the gates to success in america, why even now, when so many people know the system is a scam, are still people saying so? >> i think because we are stuck in this perpetual binary box.

it's this or that. right? it's blue-collar or white color. good job or bad job. higher education or alternative education. and when you only have two choices or when you think you only have two choices, then you do one thing at the expense of the other. so, for instance, i know we've talked about this before but it just seems so clear now. when four-year degreed universities needed a p.r. campaign 40 years ago, they got one, but the p.r. came at the expense of all other forms of education. so, it wasn't just, hey, tucker, go get your liberal arts degree because it will give you a broad-based appreciation for the humanities. it was, if you don't go get that degree, you are going to wind up over here turning a wrench or running a welding torch or doing some kind of vocational consolation prize. we promoted the one thing at the

expense of all of the others and that one thing just happened to be the most expensive thing. and so, look, i don't think it'. i think it's a reflection of what we value. 7 million jobs are available now. most of them don't require a four-year degree, they require training and yet we are obsessed, not really with education, you know, what we are obsessed with this credentialing and so people are buying diplomas and they are buying their degrees. it's a diploma dilemma honestly and it's expensive and it's getting worse, and it's not just the kids who are holding the note. it's us. we are underwriting all of them. >> tucker: you're totally right. felicitywr huffman who believed all the nonsense that she has been told for 40 years. we should all listen to you on this. that's it for tonight's special hour. tune in every week night at 8:00 p.m. for the show that is and will always be the sworn

enemy of lying, pomposity smugness and groupthink. have a fantastic evening and a great weekend. sean hannity is next. >> jason: welcome to the special edition of "hannity," issues confronting america. i'm jason chaffetz in tonight for sean. the fallout continues tonight from the scathing inspector general report on former fbi director james comey. it exposed him as a liar, a leaker, and a disgrace over his handling of sensitive and in some cases classified memos about conversations with donald trump. but don't take my word for it. just look at how comey was described by inspector general horowitz who wrote that comey set a dangerous example for the 35,000 current fbi