as always, the story goes on. we will see you back here tomorrow night at 7:00. good on everyone. tucker's interview with mayor dille will the walls io which will be interesting is coming up next. take care. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." for years now on this program, we have had some unkind words for mayor bill de blasio of new york. the described divorce io has other things, just stupid, a pothead, and the worst mayor in the history of cities but it turns out bill de blasio does not hold a grudge. we learn this yesterday when he called us out of the blue for a friendly conversation. not tonight, he is going to be appearing on the show, why? stay tuned, she is up in just a minute. the first night, and it was an act really of want and cruelty committed against defenseless television viewers. last night, seen and subjected

to tiny audience to what it described as a climate change town hall. the thing went on for seven hours. that's a long time. in fact, that so long that climate productions made that the start of the evening could have been proven wrong by the end. an entire species of polar bear might have become extinct by the third commercial break. that's a long time. and yet in the name of science, hugh hardy souls center to watch the entire thing. we can't say with certainty what happened to them but at least one of them lapsed into total unconsciousness. watch this. >> enough of having the oil industry and fossil fuel industry it right all of our laws in this area. no more. >> tucker: he was the lucky one. if he was sleeping deeply enough, he might've missed cnn asking julian castro what his administration would do to fight quote environmental racism. we are not making that out. but that's just the tip of the rapidly melting iceberg.

last it was really an exercise in sweaty moral posturing. at times, the evening became so strident that even the candidates on stage can keep up with it all. cory booker for example, he tried to reassure viewers that democrats don't really want to take peoples meet away, apparently they had forgotten that kamala harris had just called for that. >> i hear about all the time. booker wants to take away your hamburger. well, that is the kind of why and fearmongering that they spread out there that somehow the democrats want to get rid of hamburger. >> tucker: but wouldn't you support changing the dietary guidelines? reduce red meat specifically? >> yes, i would. >> tucker: . >> tucker: so kamala harris has been to get about what you eat and she thinks you eat too much red meat and she claims to do something about it when she is elected god. that and a number of other things. in quiet fact there are quite a few things in america that

kamala harris claims to ban immediately. >> would you commit to implementing a federal ban on tracking your first day in office? adding the united states to the list of countries that bans this devastating practice? >> there is no question. >> so would you ban on offshore drilling? >> yes. and again i've worked on. >> do you ban plastic straws question marks to go i think should, yeah. >> tucker: banning drinking straws. mindless and annoying. if you actually get about plastic pollution and you should care about plastic pollution, because it's horrifying, you would punish china for jumping plastics into the ocean but of course no one on the left wants to do that because they are busy is sucking up to china. look banning fracking is just demented. our energy sector is the single most successful part of the entire american economy. it's one of the only thing propping up our trade balance right now. it's been a saver of last resort

for rural areas devastated by globalization. kaman has didn't care about any of that and she really doesn't even know when your soul is demt all costs, details are not relevant. all you see is yourself at the finish line arms in the air. this is a powerful drug. anand if we are being honest about it, harris was not even close to the least appealing candidate on the stage last night. that award goes without question to father pete buttigieg, the patron saint of south bend, indiana. father but a judge wash into a sermon last may that would have made john anna's jonathan edwards proud. >> if you believe that god is watching as poison is being belched into the air of creatio creation, and people are being harmed by, countries are at risk of vanishing and low-lying area areas, woody's explicit suppose god thinks of that? i bet he thinks it's messed up. at least one way of talking

about this is that it's a kind of sin. >> tucker: you started to think of the torments waiting for you in father pete's episcopalian version of hell. imagine him lecturing you for eternity wagging his little fingers in your face and bragging about his virtue. that doesn't make you want to obey. father pete though there is no such judgment because at the very same time he is lecturing you father pete himself is likely to be sipping perrier in the gulf stream. according to an associated press report, he flies on climate destroying private jets more than any other democratic candidate in the race right now. how can that be? we asked the buttigieg campaign that question today and here's our response. >> we fly commercial as often as possible and only fly noncommercial when the schedule dictates. >> tucker: noncommercial. oh, that makes sense. so when it's convenient, father but a judge follows his own

commandments but the rest of the time when it the schedule dictates, he is happy to belch poison into the air of creation. so what you are not allowed to drink from a plastic straw, that's immoral, but father pete gets to keep his private plane. no wonder people love the climate activism. for them, it's all upside. it's not so great for everyone else unfortunately beard for poor people in the third world, it's going to be especially tough. they are not going to be able to have as many children as they would like. watch bernie sanders this money paid >> went on and educating everyone on the need to curb population seems a reasonable campaign to enact. would you be courageous enough to discuss this issue and make it a key feature of a plan to address climate catastrophes? >> the answer is yes and the answer has everything to do with the fact that women in the united states of america by the way i have the right to control their own bodies and they can

make productive decisions. and the mexico city agreement which denies american aid to those organizations around the world that are -- that allow women to have abortions or even get involved in birth control to me is totally absurd. >> tucker: a go. sanders says it right out loud. the africans are having too many babies. we are going to have to make sure those africans have more abortions. we are going to pay for african abortions. also by the way we're going have to control what people eat, how they travel, and what they do for a living, we're going to have to control every detail of their formally personal lives. we are in charge now of everything. that's the message. as suddenly realize none of this has much to do with the environment, just in is editorial director of the heartland institute and he joins us tonight. justin, thanks for coming on. once again if you really were concerned about climate change,

your emphasis might be on the behavior of countries, deforestation, but instead i noticed is deemed throughout all of these proposals which is all about control and empowering the people making the proposals. am i missing something? >> know you're not missing anything for this is all about authoritarianism. that they might've been climate change but the actual theme was authoritarianism. that's what this was all about. force control and be in inflation. if you really care about the environment, i mean really clear about it, the last thing you would want is control the entire country run on solar and wind because if you have the entire country running on solar and wind, he would need a land mass the size the state of california. how many millions of acres of land, how many millions of trees, how many millions of animals what we have to kill in order to make that reality

happen? in order to save the planet, we are supposed to destroy the planet question mike that's the message that we are getting out? this is not about climate change, it's not about environmentalism, it's never been about that. it's about force control and manipulation. >> tucker: i don't get the sense in any of these people ever go outside. like one was lost and they went camping? do they know anything? do they know anything about the environment? are they interested at all question mike to the average spend time there? >> the truth is, they don't care about that sucker. they don't care about it. all they care about is increasing their own power, expanding the power of the ruling class, that's what this has been about and for 50 years they have been making climate change predictions, they talk about the global population crisis, global cooling, how we are going to be running out of food, none of these things have happened but they keep making the predictions because they believed that if they make them enough, people will listen to them and give them enough power over our lives so that they can

control virtually every aspect of society where that's the point of this. >> tucker: way. you are holding them accountable on their productions? that would make you a denier. so for example, i read this today, 19 years ago the united nations predicted officially that by the year, by present, then go -- would be largely underwater. there are many predictions like that. why is it that no one that makes them is ever held accountable? >> to be perfectly honest because many people in the media and academia and elsewhere have been kind of colluding together in order to make sure that regular people don't find out about it unless they watch shows like this. and unless they are watching tucker carlson tonight or fox news or something, they don't mind the truth about these things. they are told there is a climate crisis that is going to be a disaster and if they don't vote for a democratic god who is going to save us all from climate catastrophe, we are all going to die and in 20 years or

30 years or 40 years and then with 20 years or 40 years comes along and we are not all dead, they say well, just wait another ten years and we will all be dead and they keep doing is over and over and over again. >> tucker: what's in truly infuriating is that those of us who deeply care about the natural world and the environment, watch as these people make our country dirtier. it much dirtier. and nobody says anything about it and then they lecture us is that if they have moral standings on the environment pay they don't know anything about the environment. it's disgusting. it's infuriating. it justin thank you for putting that into perspective. i will calm down as we move into our next guest, cnn host left no doubt about their political views on the question last night. the hurricane has happened for as long as the earth has been alive but on cnn, they were treating it as something brand-new caused by donald trump had watch pit >> we are seeing storms that are intensifying and that is just one sign of the

dangerous world that scientists tell us we are entering if humat cut carbon pollution in half in the next 11 years. >> thanks to bigger fires in the west, supercharged storms like the ones we see now, who are ken durand. >> we are seeing firsthand the effects of climate change and the powerful hurricane is sitting right now off the hurricane coast of florida. >> chris plants also of the show on the radio joins us tonight. chris, you look over there and is a collection of people not one with an iq over a hundred, nobody with a background in science, lecturing us about things they don't understand at all and i can't help but think it's just purely political. >> you can't help but think that? what a cynic you had to come honestly. that was just good journalism. that was award-winning journalism. look, they did everything they were supposed to do. they adopted the lexicon democratic party and the weather apocalypse crowd.

the weather pollutes the seven hours of it with i think every anchor on cnn showcased at one time or another. they had alfredo cuomo who proves every time you get the chance that he doesn't know anything but they can face the party line and you saw even a graphics had the climate crisis and the word crisis in red and it was all very frightening and it's an existential threat and we have only 11 years because some nameless faceless group of the united nations who are really scientists at all came up over the report that we treat as the new bible because as voltaire protected when you kill god it will be necessary to create him again and they have created god and even then we will be happy to know that it is then. look, cnn last night, they gifted everything to the democrats that they could. they should ask questions. horrible questions which they of course did not do. they could've done things like you mentioned the u.n. report with bangladesh being

underwater. i have a story from 1989 in the last century the sub headline is the u.n. predicts disaster if global warming is not checked by the year 2,000. it was a 10-year timeline. in 1989. and if we didn't face a by the year 2,000, disaster would be everywhere. it would be the apocalypse. and your last guest, justin is hundred% right, they keep updating the apocalypse and it was when i was a teenager and was becoming the ice age and armadillos were going to be exchanged because room or even the armadillos were slain because they knew that ice was coming. we do know that. do when they were the polar bear is a very tan. >> they really armadillos and i call mine. it looks cnn -- it was a climate of colusa. cnn was in on the joke. they carried the party line 100% of the way. there are a lot of questions you could ask about whether you really believe if you make these changes if the storm off the

east coast would be smaller, there would be fewer hurricanes, whether any questions like that at all? the trillions and trillions of dollars that really radical and extreme ideas and so many of them, none of this question the budget, was never a question, none of it was under question. it was classic. >> tucker: it was perfect in that way. good to see you tonight, thank you. joe biden was also there tonight. he is the reported democratic frontrunner. he didn't say much about global warming that was interesting. not more interesting than the story he himself created by being there. it wasn't could put one point he was trying to answer a question and he seemed to lose his train of thought completely. >> that saves billions of gallons of gasoline. i mean billions of 2. -- i think it's $2.3 billion worth of excusing, $500 billion in savings and two-point something billion metric tons of co2 going

into the air and so there's a whole range of things that are going on now in terms of, you know, anyway, i'm taking too long, sorry. >> tucker: it's almost me to put that on tv and being honest we feel a little bit bad about it. he is running for president though and i was on television lives last night so there you go. and then as if that wasn't concerning an, biden appeared tf his eyes. should we be worried? dr. marc siegel is a fox news medical contributor and he joins us tonight. so the first of the more dramatic news, biden did have blood in his eye. what might that has been? >> that's the more dramatic and by the way, of course i haven't to examine him but that appears to me to be something called a sub con try to have hemorrhage which sounds worse than it is. it's a blood vessel leaking just below the eye and usually it's benign, it goes away on its own, and it's nothing to worry about. as you get older, it could have

something to do with high blood pressure or bleeding problems or circulatory problems but most of the time, no. so that in itself looked worse than it probably was. but the other clip you showed where he appeared confused, that has been happening with increasing amounts where he seems to forget what state he is in or the timeline of the parkland school shooting, things like that are really concerning to me and again, i don't know the answer to why that is happening but i want to point something out. he had those aneurysms clipped surgically back in 1988. you know what happened in 1990? we developed a new technique to do that where we went in through the artery itself which was a miracle. a change. now we do these procedures was something called a coil which we put anna right through the artery and into the rain. it's run that miraculous technological advancement. he didn't have that. he had a great surgeon who said that he is fine now but i looked

at studies from 20,002,006 and again, i'm not necessarily talking about him, i'm talking about a patient who had the procedure he had with the 1 centimeter aneurysm with some leaking into the brain. down the line, you could see quite often cognitive changes. problems with thinking. problems with concentration. problems with orientation. so that's on my mind if that's something that we might consider. we don't know if it's true in this case but i am saying what looks like it could be problems with thinking orientation and memory. i'm concerned. >> tucker: i'm got to say, i mean this with sincerity, i know that'll be me someday. anyway -- >> he's been through a lot. he's a very courageous individual. >> tucker: i agree. i just want to be clear we are not mocking him. i filled out about that. good to see you. well, we have mock to the mayor of new york bill de blasio and then yesterday he called us and said that he got a new policy ie

interested in talking about and it turns out we are and it's not entirely crazy. bill de blasio joins us right after the break. also, hurricane dorian hitting the carolinas tonight as we speak. we are checking that storm and we will bring you those developments throughout the hours. ♪

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know. then the other day i came to our attention that blows io has raised an issue that too few in either party have raised a question about paid automation. he is also running for president, something else we made fun of but his position on automation struck us on a string. if we arrange a phone call and had a very friendly conversation and invited him to come on the show and talk about that another thing is that he was righteous and after his bond and so we are happy to have married bill de blasio join us tonight live. thanks a lot for coming on. >> thank you. i appreciate the you care about this issue because it sprang down on all of us. >> tucker: it is and my praise of you on this question is totally sincere. very few people are taken as seriously. andrew yang is one of them. you are another and i can't think of many others that are and so god bless you. you are basically saying that companies ought to have two -- and i'm not sure how much i agree with this but i think i'm praising this curtsy. use a companies ought to have to

bear some of the cost of helping workers transition into something else when they lay them off in favor of robots? >> that's right. right now, let's just get the magnitude clear for all of your viewers. middle-class americans, working-class americans whose jobs are not going to be there if we don't do something different. right now the recent estimate i saw, 36 million jobs that could be made obsolete, we are talking as early as 2030, 12 years ahead, 11, 12 years from now, so here's the reality. right now the federal tax court rewards companies that invest in the kind of technology that actually sheds jobs. destroys jobs. if our tax dollars are helping companies and intent sent devising companies to get rid of more american workers so my plan is simple. end of that. we are talking about hundreds of billions of dollars that we could use to actually address

our bigger issues. >> tucker: i am completely with you. i'm sure there's a lot of details we disagree with but i go with you on. >> tucker: by the may, south korea is doing i may not be the don't stop incentivizing companies. a lot of times they are making a decision simply because it's better for their tax reality rather than what's better for working people or even productivity. the second point of my plan is lead institutions -- something bill gates actually was i think the first want to call for, which was quote unquote a robot texas since simply a worker pays income tax. you take away millions and millions of workers, that's a lot less revenue to take care of all the things we need in our society and a means of course millions and millions of people don't have a livelihood. i believe and worry. i think you do to you. i think we need a future based on work so if a country is going to put thousands of people out of work, they showed a responsibly for making sure those folks get a new job at the same company or elsewhere or

that tax is an incentive to keep people on the job and a good way and a productive way and provides money to help foster from the federal level the kinds of things we need a lot more. investment in renewable energy, recycling, environmental restitution come all sorts of things for its fuel and let me ask you though. i'm not sure i think of this second but i don't think it's totally crazy. so we were together up until this point but if you really believe that automation is a threat to low skill jobs, why are you for mass immigration question mike what are these people going to do that we are importing question mexico look. i'm going to finish the point about what we are trying to achieve here. let's just be clear about the central point here. right now there is no american strategy, no federal government strategy to address automation and it could be the single most destructive force in our society that we have ever experienced. if we talk about tens of millions of milling working-class americans who no longer have the prospect to

work, that's unacceptable. so the federal government has to step up. there is no strategy now, there is no candidate in my opinion who is offering a coherent strategy. >> tucker: immigration is a close second as a force of transforming the country and the two are at cross purposes so immigrants come here overwhelmingly to work in low skill jobs come a lot of those jobs no matter how hard we try her going away. this is crazy. why are we doing this? >> let's face it, there's a huge number of jobs right now and let's take agriculture is an obvious example, we are in the worst of all worlds. we don't have enough workers to do the work among the people already in this country and we don't have a coherent immigration system including something as obvious as a guest worker program, a legal guest worker program. >> tucker: okay. and that's a separate debate. i disagree. but the much bigger picture isn't jobs in the service sector are going away.

that immigrants fill. if we import immigrants, why are we doing now? >> i appreciate your point, but the magnitude here speaks otherwise. let's take that number, 36 million. and there are estimates to go a lot further than that. we are not talking about the end times emigration. we are talking about something absolutely seismic and imagine, i think you and i shared this concern. about a huge percentage of your viewers do, to print how do we have a threat to our security, to our stability as a country, to our social fabric and there is no strategy whatsoever. in fact, the recent tax legislation made it worse and encourage companies to lay off more workers and to put the money into new machines. >> tucker: so what you are saying is that we have this massive problem that everyone is ignoring. and on that point i want to transition to the city that you want, new york where i was yesterday. the city is dirty and it's getting dirtier. if one of my producers told me just yesterday that he was in a crowded subway and dropped his

trousers and in the middle of the car and no one did anything about that kid that's a metaphor for what is happening. i grow there regularly and i have my whole life and every time i go under your mayor ship it is dirtier, there is felt on the sidewalks, do you notice any of that? >> look. here's what's going on in new york city today. we have challenges, no doubt. i don't expect a situation like that that i am someone who believes the quality of life has to be addressed aggressively bread i believe in policing and i always have. that kind of situation is unacceptable. the biggest situation, we are at those safest big city in america. it is proven statistically time and time again. the largest number of jobs in our history and the strongest economy we have ever had, we have problems unquestionably but there's also a lot of areas where the city is doing very, very well but the bottom line here is that we are addressing -- >> tucker: okay but you endorse decriminalizing public. it why would you want to do that? stick out as absolutely false.

any offense like that's get some in and there is a penalty and sanction. we all believe in him. >> tucker: you link in the sanction. the city smells like you're in. you will notice our customers to get glass not speak of the city is more orderly and cleaner and safer than it's ever been for many, many years but we are more to do. and we are going to keep making it better but anyone that's not true. that's just not true. and the bottom line is >> tucker: you want the numbers question mike i have a right here. 64,060 the day you're pretty set out left and now it's having the aide. he got obviously we can reason together. there is a federal account every year for the number of homeless on the street. it's give or take 4,000. there's a lot of people in the shelter system, that's true.

we are driving down that number. i'm not happy even about 4,000 people in the street but that's just nowhere near what you just said but the difference what you can see in new york and you can see in on safety and you can see it on jobs and you see on a higher graduation rate in our schools is we continue to make progress in this city and we are going to make a lot more but to the original point of this conversation -- >> tucker: let me ask you a concrete question. if i live in new york and there is a homeless man outside of my building who on the sidewalk, is on the sidewalk grounds to be arrested in this city? >> it certainly can be and anyone who see something like that -- >> tucker: hold on. if i'm on a sidewalk and you will be arrested for on preventing from living outside? >> anyone who is a threat to themselves or anyone who violates the law, anyone who is aggressive towards other people, there's a whole host of standards by which someone could be arrested and we do that and we will continue to do that. but again, the bottom line here

is, we are talking about real is here but what we should be talking about all the time is the future of the working people, the future of working people in this country and where you and i started, if we don't and we are two of the only people talking about array known. if we don't deal with the fact that tens of millions of workers may not have a job and we may have a future without work and our social fabric to be destroyed and that's a threat to america's superiority, that which we don't deal with this in the selection, we are going to rule the day. we are going to rue the day. we need to actually do some thing about i. >> tucker: i agree and as an essentially nonpartisan person i am absolutely happy to complement you with total sincerity on that. i'm just saying that reality, the actual reality of life in the city that you manage matters. it's the biggest city in our country great i've lived there on and off my whole life. that city is not getting better under your mayor ship.

>> i don't know how you look at -- unless you don't believe in the nypd statistics which consistently -- yesterday had a press conference where he laid out the crimes for this year and it continues to go down year after year. it's an extra or any effort by the nypd using policies and strategies that i instigated in my administration. how do you have 500,000 new jobs in six years, how do you have record number of tourists if it's this horrible health graveyard is described in? >> tucker: you are arguing across what i am saying. so if the city is doing so well, then you have a net influence of people into new york city. no, just the opposite. you lost 40,000 people in the last year. >> we have lost a .6 million residents. we have the highest population

in our history. we have the highest population in our history. that's what matters. people are investing in a city because it's working. i'm the first to say, because i do live here and i feel everything, i've been here for decades and decades, we have things to work on for sure. we have areas where we ate are not able to be but when you go back, do people create hundreds of thousands of new jobs in a place is not working question mike arnold thinks of. >> tucker: . >> tucker: most new yorkers are liberal so they agree with you on the macro issues. i think if you are to say what is bill de blasio believe there is a lot of overlap. but if you were to ask your average new yorker has bill de blasio has done such a good job in new york city that he is able to run the united states of america? why do you think they would suggest? >> i don't know. that's not the question for the question is, especially in a race for president, what have you actually done that makes you able to be president of the united states? i've run the biggest most

complex city in this country and again it's the safest we've ever been, the strongest economy we've ever been in, the most diverse place and our social fabric is a lot younger than i was six years ago, there's a lot i can show you that actually it is to do with how you can run something and move something forward and where we started. i'm talking about issues related to working people that bluntly neither democrats or republicans talk enough about and my whole reason for going for mayor was to address issues of the working people and that's what we have done in the city. >> tucker: so the biggest private-sector employers -- -- who are they? chase is number one. jpmorgan chase. does the leadership -- so obviously they are the biggest private sector employer and the city that you run, the biggest city in america. so obviously the head of that company, jamie dimon must be a huge supporter of yours in a big donor to your presidential campaign. >> this logic pattern doesn't colt hold. the question is this.

we have different views and i respect him but we have different views paid by the way, ceo of a major financial institution is the last kind of person i think would support me because i believe we have to be tougher on wall street. i believe we have to stand up for working people. i think we need to tax the wealthy a lot more than we are. i'm a progressive who cares about working people. why would you think the ceo of a bank would support someone like me that is concerned about working people and middle-class people not the ones of the top? >> tucker: because you are the mayor of the city and they have tens of thousands of employees living in our city. at some point it's not ideological. i don't think jamie dimon the head of the company as a conservative. he is not. it is not about the ideology. it's not about the bank. it's about whether you are making the city better. >> look, i know him and i respect him and i think he often speaks about important issues but we have a very different world view and it doesn't surprise me that he would not support someone who wants to tax

the wealthy a lot more and wants to challenge wall street and believes that we have to do a lot more for working people in the country. that's what i'm about. >> tucker: name one big sector that supports you. can you name one question mike >> i don't play these games. the question is the democratic party for too long has been way too cozy with donors, with wall street, with folks who actually created a lot of our problems. the whole reason we are having a good conversation on automation is because i don't care about what those donors think. i don't care about what folks in silicon valley were trying to justify that technology somehow, they are resting their morals on the universal basic in income and this is another fallacy. it ubi, maybe it's part of a solution in some way, shape, or form but what i fear about that kind of idea, it is a crush. it is a way for a bunch of people to make a huge amount of money to make their own consciences feel better about

it's going to lead to a future without work and the last thing we need, i moved progressive, i'm a democrat, i believe and work i believe work is what people at a value and meaning and we need to protect work in this country and as a whole lot of wealthy people who are happy to run all the way to the bank and the working people to hide and then they will say i'll send you a check. that's ridiculous but it's for on your right here by the way, if you've ever known inherited money people, they are the unhappiest people in america so obviously you don't want to encourage endless. quick final question. how can you take an suv to the gym and back every day and say that you are really worried about climate change? >> is a chrysler pacifica. it's a pacific avenue. it's a hybrid electric. it's not an suv first of all. but it looks, i come from a neighborhood, i go back to my neighborhood all the time. it's the weights and means that i stay connected to people and that i'm able to have a routine

that allows me to be 24/7 the bi can be. tucker, he has a great part about all of this. if i'm in a subway -- the point is, wherever i go, if i take a subway, the cars follow me for security reasons. anyway you slide it, i'm doing what's going to help me be the best i can be for the people of the city and that's why i am proud to say this is a city just safest big city that is moving forward in so many ways but if we don't get these bigger issues right, i got to tell you, you can be made, you can feel like i'm able to do things but at washington doesn't address the kinds of things that cities and states can't do, if washington doesn't address this automation issue, we are all screwed beer we are all screwed. this better be a 2020 issue and it's not right now. it's not a 2020 issue and we need to make it a 2020 issue. >> tucker: we are going to take a quick break. stay there but i'm going to ask

you, are you going to keep running for president? we will be back.

>> tucker: welcome back. we are returning to our unexpected but i think genuinely interesting conversation with the mayor of new york city, bill de blasio who has been someone we have a title of it is gracious enough to come on and have a real conversation with us. we are grateful for that. thanks for coming back. i want to ask you about whether or not you are going to stay in the presidential race. before i do, i want to ask about one of your policy positions on firearms. you have said that you are for mandatory buybacks of semiautomatic rifles. so there are tens of millions of these rifles in circulation now and presumably some large number of people won't feel like

selling them to the government. what do you do with those people? >> that's a good question. look, i think if you get to the point which we have to where we ban assault weapons, we have seen a horrifying impact and won't let me make a very human for you, i run the biggest school system in america, we are doing active shooting drills regularly now and i hear from parents all the time now and they are more worried now about their kids than i've ever seen because i think an active shooting situation could happen in because it's become a norm in this country and it almost always involves assault weapons. we have to end of the availability of those weapons in this country so i think if there was a ban on assault weapons and it was a was a buyback program, the vast majority of people would do the smart thing and they would sell them back. i don't have a specific answer -- q >> tucker: but millions -- could you have law-abiding sitting sins like me who have hunting rifles that fall under

assault weapon category and the cops would show up and say give us her gun and they would say no and you would have unfortunately tragically you would have cases of violence. are you okay with that? >> i'm being honest with you. i think anyone in public life should say when we think we have an answer or there something we stuff to work out here but i know is this. we cannot have assault weapons in our society. we have seen the devastating impact. they need to be banned. and i mean by definition that you don't leave millions and millions of them out there. the buyback is the obvious approach for it how we deal with someone that doesn't want to participate in something we to resolve going forward but for me the logic you start with -- >> tucker: a lot of deer rifles would qualify as an assault weapon. with those be taken to? >> i think the fact is that i'm someone who understands under the second amendment they are going to be plenty of appropriate weapons that people could use for self-defense

for hunting, sportsmanship, marksman, there's all sorts of weapons that could qualify for people to have but the military grade assault weapons, those just don't belong in the hands of everyday people. >> tucker: would you subject your bodyguards to the same limitations as other american citizens? >> i respect you but that's a question that makes no sense whatsoever. sworn law enforcement officers -- >> tucker: of course it is great i have a family just as you do. hold on. slow down. you get free bodyguards. i don't. no no no. you have bodyguards living at your house. mr. mayor. you've bodyguards living at your house paid i know some of the bodyguards living at your house. they've got magazines that i can't protect my family with pages that protect you? >> in a society we are living and i hate to say the public service are vulnerable to violence in a different way. law enforcement officers are there to protect all of us and

they need to be armed. >> tucker: doesn't bother you that you get certain guns to protect yourself and your family but i can't use those to protect my family? and make sense to me. >> listen. i spent my whole life until very recently an average citizen with no different protection than you or any other american with a very brief period of my life and i survived. >> tucker: how would you allow your bodyguards not to carry any weapon? you will. oh, yes, you will. you will have bodyguards. yes you will. you are saying -- i just want you to say -- when you leave office you will not allow anybody in your orbity anything. >> the point is, let's collect we were talking about it it should not be assault weapons endangering children in america. and whatever we have to do -- so you don't think that assault

weapons used in these horrible massacres are a problem in this country? i think they are. i think we have seen children killed in their schools with these assault weapons that it has to end. >> tucker: it's horrible. the guns didn't do it. they are lunatics. >> they shouldn't be available to so many people and they are paid they just aren't asked to end. >> tucker: the people in power shouldn't have special exemptions like the ones you're giving yourself. let me ask you. are you planning -- >> law enforcement prayer law enforcement needs input assault weapons do not belong in the hands of civilians. >> tucker: are you planning to stay in the race? >> yet. might i said very clearly my goal is to get into that debate and that's a month away and i'm going to get ideas like automation out there that that i think you're going to be meaningful end of more and more people vote with their feet and provide donations and anyone who hears these ideas like them, go to bill de blasio.com. even a $1 donation helps me get into the debate.

presenting ideas like this that actually could change things were working people, i think the more i get out there with that, the more chance there is that i could get into those october debates. >> tucker: do you think -- there was a report the other day that you weren't a total of seven hours in the month in the city of new york. do you think you are short changing? speak of us not even true. >> tucker: how can you run a study of a million and run for president at the same time? >> the question is -- you are raising an important question. who should be president of the united states? someone who runs a big complicated place and was able to move it forward or people who don't want anything russian mark i am running, this is my sixth year. i put together a strong team that have been able to put together real serious foundational changes in the city. most jobs we've ever had, save a city in america, highest graduation rate, bunch of other examples, i'm doing all that. i am running for president of the united states and it's true ended that takes some real time and energy but i'm able to do as

a ceo to keep making sure my agents are doing their jobs and any ceo in the world does this private or public sector and not qualifies you to be president of the united states, that you know how to run something as big and complex as they city. that's a good warm-up for the much bigger job. >> tucker: i'll tell you what. what you in good graces. me anyway, having the stones to come in the show. good for you. i respect that. >> we should never be afraid to have a real dialogue and a real debate with each other regardless of views and i have also said i have real differences with some of what i think this network stands for but i also respect the millions and millions of people who watch this network or working americans, middle-class americans, and i say as a progressive and a democrat, i think we needed to survive for every one of those votes and we need to show people the respect of going on a network they watch and offering ideas and say we care about you when we want your votes and we want to show you something we think will make your lives better on his

automation issue that's a good point. what you are talking about appeared a lot of other people are talking about a grade so even though you and i obviously disagree on a lot of stuff, i gt a big issue that needs to be in every day dialogue. every day in this debate. if we are not talking about automation, we are not actually talk about the on his future future up for working people in this country. if you want to mayor bill de blasio of new york city, thank you. come back anytime. while not long ago and tycho put the journalist annie know in a hospital. "rolling stone" magazine says he is actually the villain and antifa are his victims. he is next. ♪

♪ >> tucker: washington unfortunately is brimming with fake journalists who pretend to be brave dissidents. all of them grovel to the powerful, everything one of them. andy gno is not one of those. for his coverage of antifa's

activities, he was doused with a milk shake, obviously an assault but it's not funny. he was put in the hospital with a brain hemorrhage. if anyone deserves to be considered the victim of political violence, it andy gno because he was. "rolling stone" magazine argues that actually antifa are the victims and andy gno is responsible for "demonizing them." the dumbest most repulsive article i've seen a long time. andy gno joins us. what did you think the piece? >> . the reason why antifa is such a potent movement is that the can depend on the media to provide them favorable coverage. these writers and journalists are trying to finish the job that antifa started in june when they beat and robbed me and try to intimidate me permanently into silence. >> tucker: they are not hiding it. the woman who wrote this piece

is endorsing violence. they are kind of out of the closet in favor of political violence. >> it's been fascinating and a bit surrealist to watch the machine of the left-wing media work camp for the claims of an anonymous antifa activist who made the false and defamatory claims that i am party to, violt criminal conspiracy. that's untrue. it started originally on left-wing blog and was amplified in media matters, rolling stone, daily beast. >> tucker: yeah, i mean, i hope the rest of us don't lie to ourselves but what's happening here because it's getting increasingly obvious, and you're one of its first victims. andy gno, i wish we had more time with you but thank you very much for coming on. >> my pleasure. >> tucker: we lost a lot of the show tonight because of our extended interview with the mayor of new york city. "final exam" was among the things we lost we will bring it tomorrow.

jesse watters versus judge jeanine. have to wait for tomorrow night. 8:00 p.m. friday and every night, the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, groupthink. >> sean: great show. welcome to "hannity." hurricane dorian is making its way up the east coast of the u.s. it's sitting off the carolinas. my opening monologue is moments away but first we have reporters standing by in north and south carolina, as our fellow citizens, -- >> i don't know if it's my turn but -- >> sean: it's your turn. >> hurricane warnings extend to the northern part of south carolina to northern carolina and now tropical storm warnings into the chesapeake bay. we are going to see winds overnight and early tomorrow. this is the center of the storm. 50 miles to the south of wilmington but thest