>> nice it be with you. thanks for coming back. >> you have something going on. >> i'll be down in the swamp, hanging out with the swampy friends. >> on fox news sunday. >> watch "outnumbered" now. >> fox news alert, parties ideological divide on full display. fiery debate in houston, texas. top 10 candidates sharing the stage for the first time with all eyes on the front-runner, joe joe biden, your eyes on are "outnumbered." here today harris faulkner and melissa frances, katie, and juan williams. it is friday, let's do it, "outnumbered." >> juan: the mood here is good, you guys are ready for the weekend. >> harris: we are, we are ready for the news, let's get to it. former vp was a frequent target,

progressive challenged moderate proposal, one moment got buzz. former housing secretary julian castro seemed to take a swipe at biden's fitness. >> the difference between what i support and you support vice president biden, you require them to opt in. >> they do not have to opt in. >> you just said that. >> are you forgetting what you said, forgetting what you said two minutes ago? >> two minutes ago, they had to buy in, now they don't have to, you are forgetting that. >> oh. >> what is the spin today, castro says it is all about policy. >> he denied saying people would have to buy into his plan. i was ark amazed he denied saying people would have to buy into the plan, that is why i pointed it out, if somebody on the debate stage says one thing

and then two minutes later they deny they said it, i will call them on that. >> harris: meanwhile, critics argued last night was a failure for all democrats. columnist michael goodwin wrote this in the "new york post," the winner is donald trump. no single candidate could claim clear victory, displaying why they were all unelectable, end quote. wow, juan, you have anybody else? >> juan: well, we could see if you want to run, harris. >> harris: please, i would run as an independent shopper. what did you think i was going to say? >> you would definitely win that. >> harris: juan, this is concerning maybe for your party, you had bernie sanders, someone stole his platform, like in the pocket of many people last night. amy klobuchar came out as moderate, if not more so than joe biden. i saw twitter activity among

friends, some fox, some outside, we forgot so-and-so was running, people up there with almost no name recognition. >> juan: to me, that was best debate democrats have had so far. >> harris: why? >> juan: you have 10 people one night on stage. you had the leading contenders, all of them together. first time warren and biden on the same stage. >> harris: right. >> juan: the first half-hour was powerful, clear healthcare is number one concern. >> harris: we knew that last november. >> juan: right, you saw spiritted and real debate. the key point here, any of the three now are rated in the polls as beating donald trump. >> harris: biden, sanders warren? >> juan: right, even buttigieg is beating donald trump. >> harris: how did he do last night? >> juan: interesting in the way he comes across as an adult, reasoned person, at times he had

wonderful response when andrew yang had the idea of -- >> harris: voters? i caught it. >> juan: that was original, that was fun. memorable moment is what you just played, harris, castro taking out the long knife for joe biden. and i think that is because you have people on the stage who are clearly also rant at this point and feel they have to go after the front-runner. he didn't do it in an effective way, ended up damaging him among democrats. >> harris: i think you are right about that. when you say ahead of the top three or ahead of the president in the poll, do you believe if the election was held, all three would beat him? >> juan: yeah. >> harris: you believe in that your heart? >> juan: it is not up to me, the numbers are, percent of americans can't vote for this guy, that is if it is referendum on trump. melissa, trump versus alternative and trump is able to say, you are going to vote for that socialist?

>> harris: biden said it to sanders. sanders is making a point about corporate america. he says for a socialist, you believe in big companies more than i do. i mean, kennedy, come on, everybody on the stage and weave been reporting it for quite sometime with the word socialism next to a democrat, does a six-point plus lead generic name with the word socialist does against president trump. wow, biden called sanders and it is not untrue. >> kennedy: it is feel-good exercise for senator, damages your electability as a president. we will see that. i do believe that one progressive is going to be the nominee. i don't think joe biden hit it out of the park the way he had to. he did have some missteps. it was like a c plus performance from him. what i did notice, of many people, maybe the fact they were on the same stage, they seem to have gotten better. the debate process brought out more in them and i think part of

that was asking questions they couldn't where iiiggle out of at empty platitude. we are past the platitude stage and the herd has been called, you are seeing people be competitive in substantive ways. >> harris: so criticism,icaty, i'm seeing, talking points for senator harris, i was watching last night, talking to people today, voters, potential voters. mmm, broke out talking points. >> from the beginning, kamala harris seemed insecure over policy change. we saw her change in position, eliminating private healthcare, unable to defend her record as prosecutor. i thought amy klobuchar did a good job of defending the reason why she wanted to be prosecutor to defend and help people that harris seem to be standing up

for. incredible job run og her own record. joe biden, harris, you are right, something weave been talking about as top issue for americans. joe biden going to run on obamacare, that will bring up bad memories. obamacare is talked about as good thing, democrats are going so far to left as far as eliminating private experience for people. let's not forget, obamacare destroyed the private healthcare system, skyrocketed premiums, it took millions of people off their plan, biggest lie barack obama told, if you like your doctor, you can keep it, which biden and elizabeth warren repeated last night, there is the obamacare problem and elizabeth warren making this insane argument that there is too much paperwork with the insurance companies and you are going to be more streamlined with a government-run program, which is a lie. >> the dmv -- >> harris: i want to jump in with this, hannah, we started the conversation with joe biden and i want to get back to the

front-runner and get your response. after julian castro went after joe biden, apparently it was like a good idea for other people. here is senator cory booker >> we bring social workers in to homes and parents to help them deal -- >> i think castro had really legitimate concerns about can he be someone in a long, gruelling campaign he get the ball over the line. he has every right to call that out. >> harris: ooh, we heard bits and pieces of two things when we heard that. >> juan: you have every right to call him out if you think he is unstable. castro's problem was, he was wrong. >> harris: you are right. >> juan: joe biden was right. >> harris: he was also too harsh, there is a way of going about it a little bit more surgically and castro looked more desperate than he needed to and took points away from himself, probably in the moment, it was a harris moment from the first debate and it really

wasn't. looking back, if you don't like biden, watching the wincing for him. i don't think that is reaction julian castro wanted to elicit. cory booker did kind of have -- >> harris: that is what i wanted to ask. >> a better night. he's in the bottom rung now and fighting like crazy to work his way up and he's having to find -- >> harris: did he help himself last night? >> last night he did, he did pretty well. i don't think anyone had a stand-out performance, elizabeth warren certainly didn't. everyone was waiting for her to slice and dice joe biden and bernie sanders. >> juan: i think -- >> harris: quick before the block ends, i was going to say, i think joe biden did himself in with the record player moment. that is the moment where, phone. let's watch it since we're talking about it. go ahead. >> we bring social workers into phones and parents to help them deal with how to raise their children. not they don't want help. they don't know what to do. play the radio, make sure the

television, make sure you have the record player on at night. >> harris: i never had a record player and i'm not young. i don't know, that is tough. >> it is kind of joe biden in a nut shell, i'll bet he didn't become the nominee. i watched a lot of football last night and the rest today, i think it is elizabeth warren at this point. >> harris: can i ask something, though, and i don't know who this person would be, if there is a magical something out there, if it is not this 10 and not the five in waiting, who were woeching their scores would go up across the board to get into the debate, i don't know if they can make the october one, who could be be? anybody? >> hillary, hillary. >> i think elizabeth warren, it is hers to lose at this point. it has become about who has the enthusiasm and the passion. it is not about being broad, it is about having a rabied base and she's building that through our policy day after day after day. >> juan: has there been one day,

melissa, when joe biden hasn't had the lead in this race? answer no, i don't know why you refuse to see joe biden and see in fact most democrats, conservative and moderate are behind joe biden. they think he could beat donald trump. >> harris: i wouldn't be that confident, juan. >> juan: i'm not confident. >> coffee. >> juan: okay. >> harris: the president had counter-programming last night. one thing the hill was reporting today, he at one point said, it is her. he had comments about elizabeth warren overtaking joe biden, interesting he would look at that and say that and use nicknames. we'll move on. the d.o.j. says no way to andrew mccabe request to avoid prosecution. whether the fired f.b.i. director will now be indicted, plus the president says democrats want to take away people's guns, just hours later, he's proven right. how it played with voters.

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>> pres. trump: a lot of progress was made on the background checks and various things having to do with guns. we're dealing with the democrats and i think we're dealing very well. it seems like they'd like to do something. >> harris: president trump expressing optimism on potential gun reform and background checks legislation yesterday. this is democrats continue to

call for gun control following recent mass shootings in texas and ohio. the president stressing the second amendment last night at the house gop congressional retreat in baltimore, saying it must be protected from those on the left. watch. >> pres. trump: democrats want to confiscate guns from law-abiding americans so they are defenseless when somebody walks into their house with a gun. how crazy is this? republicans will forever uphold fundamental right to keep and bear arms. >> harris: presidential candidate beto o'rourke taking a hard stance on guns last night in the debate. he wants to take away battlefield style weapons. >> are you proposing taking away guns and how would this work? >> i am if it was a weapon designed to kill people on a battlefield. hell yes, we'll take your ar-15,

ak-47, we will not allow it to be used against fellow americans anymore. >> harris: so that was interesting. katieshlgs, huge mong, that got a ruckus response, what do you think? >> katie: interesting beto o'rourke is using incorrect terminology, fundraising off this and making this claim this is a buyback from the government. americans don't buy firearms from the government, it is not buyback. they buy them from licensed dealers, get from family and friends or through passing them down generationally through the family. it is not buyback, the government never owned them in the first place. he is proposing to criminalize americans, upward of 20 million americans for something they legally purchased through the legal system, through the lawful system, they own legally and

lawfully and turning them into criminals overnight and saying we will take away something you own privately and you legally purchased. beto o'rourke, a year ago, running for senate against texas senate ted cruz said the opposite, if you have an ar-15, you should keep it and continue to use it lawfully. that is where he stands on the issue, it is a political talking point now, when it is convenient and he's changed his position multiple times. new ban on semiautomatic rifles will not do anything to reduce crime, the clinton-era law did not. one more thing on president trump, everyone says we should do something, there are consequences for doing something that doesn't work or has unintended consequences on the other end of the issue, they have to be careful about implementing policy that doesn't address the issues they are talking about. >> juan: let's be clear, you are

making it like it is radical. the buyback. >> no such thing as buyback. >> juan: yes, there is. we have seen this in other countries and it has worked. >> it hasn't, actually. >> juan: the key point, republicans and democrats support background checks, laws, closing loopholes at gun shows and the like. >> what is the loophole, juan? >> juan: you don't have to register, you don't have to say you purchased this weapon, we know you have this weapon. in all cases, majority of american people side with beto o'rourke, even on something like assault weapons, in terms -- >> what is an assault weapon? >> having high magazine ability. >> what is an assault weapon, juan? >> juan: you know this, you are gun owner and nra owner, i'm not. >> made that distinction and the umbrella of assault weapon is growing vastly that any semi-automatic weapon is going to be --

>> kennedy, last night -- >> mandatory buyback is not a buyback, it is confiskagz. >> it is not mandatory. >> that is what he said. >> kennedy -- >> that is confiscation. >> beto o'rourke spoke about the kind of bullet that would go into a little girl and tear up her organs. >> yes, that is horrible. >> suggest the ambulances can't get there, cops get there in less than a minute, it is not enough time. something is wrong with this. too many guns -- >> including gun owners. >> speaking about what people are saying at home and who they are blaming for this. new poll now asking americans in this poll, who do you blame for mass shooting, as they go on? extremist views, 79% say that is debatable and language, 58%, they were asked the question separately, it adds up to 100. go back to 2013, number in both categories were lower.

they didn't blame as much extremist views, 57%, and 37%. they are blame nothing my mind, the people about what is going on. >> what do you mean? >> people pulling the trigger. they are blaming the extremist views and language versus the weapon. their conversation is -- >> they are right about that, guns don't typically fire themselves without somebody triggering that, right? isn't that what they are saying, stating the obvious? the question is how much does that go toward how they feel after mass shooting or what kind of weapon they have. when they hear a certain type of weapon was used or in the case of el paso, somebody didn't pass -- no, odessa, forgive me, someone did not pass a background check, but obtained a gun in a different way. is there a catch-all that we can do, can we get departments to talk to each other? just because somebody recognizes

the fact guns don't trigger themselves, humans do and issues may play a role or just hate or mental illness, whatever it is, doesn't mean they wouldn't be in favor of change. there is that human mechanism that says something horrible has happened and we want to see something happen and return we saw the president answer back to that, he said, look, to the nra, we want to do the right thing here. talk to the nra, pararkphrasing, do the right thing. what does that look like? he's sitting down with democrats and republicans. senators chris murphy and joe manchin had conversations with him, one lengthy one between toomey and the president. toomey told me he feels like they can get some place. this is a conversation going forward because the president agreed to sit down and abide in the manner. the question now is people put pressure on their politicians to get something done. i think that is the next step.

>> i think it is important to point out, the nra has been smeared for years throughout this process, that is the organization that has been working -- >> you mean the terrorist organization? >> the terrorist -- >> the board of super visors, they have worked to implement background check legislation signed into law. they have actually worked to implement thousands of gun safety courses around the country. so when it comes to actually pushing through real things, putting more information to background check system and worked to embolden states to put relevant information into the federal system so people don't fall through the cracks because they had a mental record or criminal record, the background check system -- >> harris: do you -- >> depends on how it is written. >> last night, without question, fewer guns would be better. >> and less hate, less hate and more respect for life. >> all right. >> democrats last night promising lots of free stuff like medicare for all, frechild

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community service. a big factor in today's sentencing could be who the judge sees as an actual victim. huffman's probation report, it found no university suffered financial loss and no "no actual victim," and probation officials suggest a sentence of zero to four months. is this a case of special treatment, kennedy, privilege? or, they just really didn't have anything to stand on if there is no victim? >> kennedy: with felicity huffman? >> harris: there will be more come forward -- >> kennedy: you have to show, in order to be a victim, someone denied acceptance into a university and therefore, this child benefited from that and that is not necessarily the case here. i think the mentality is there's always a fixer and everyone has a guy, no matter if it is for your car or for your pool or to

get you into college, always someone that you can pay, especially if you are wealthy and a celebrity to get you exactly what you want and of the egregious sins laid out in this case, felicity huffman, it is not great, maybe her daughter wasn't an avid test taker and wasn't going -- did great on everything, other than the sat, and so she -- >> harris: there could be victims and we'll never know, as you pointed out. could be kids trying to get into college, they were blocked, who had the skills of being a soccer player or whatever the cases are, parents had special treatment on and paid for that access, if you will. you know, what is interesting, though, for this next step, where we are in history, we're seeing a lot of this. jeffreyi pstein, ken star argued being able to leave your jail cell for six hours per day, that could happen for anybody who

could negotiate well. you know, weinstein and how many years went by before anybody cried for accountability for things he's been accused of. the we're in that mode of privilege. >> kennedy: every case is different, every jury is different. present facts to jury, it doesn't go to trial, basic point, takes one person to have doubt for people to get off there is that. in terms of accountability and fairness, there have been homeless women arrested for enrolling their children in a school outside of their district. when you talk about whether there should be consequences -- >> harris: what these people did was horrible. >> kennedy: she knew what she was doing was wrong and you have women who don't have the power of the media and the fame and the fancy lawyers to defend themselves, that is what i think the real injustice is there. >> juan: i agree. >> harris: i think what they did here was horrible. they lied about their children

playing sports. they changed test scores. >> paid hundreds of thousands of dollars, in some cases over a million dollars. >> harris: she's asking the judge for mercy, does she deserve it? >> no, i don't think any of them do. >> juan: they would complain about affirmative action for some poor kid. what privilege. >> harris: we will cover that and around 2:30 p.m. eastern we should find out the sentence. watch fox for the latest on the story. from tax on wealth to universal basic income, the 2020 democrats went all out promoting socialist policies, why the trump campaign is loving it. ♪

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>> my friend, vermont thinks employer will give you back if you negotiate as union, got a cut in wages because you got insurance. they are going to give back that money to the employee? >> as a matter of fact, they will. >> let me tell you something, for a socialist, you have more confidence in corporate america than i do. >> harris: good line. meantime, the trump campaign poking fun at democrats, flying this banner over the debate venue, it reads socialism will kill houston's economy, vote trump 2020. >> juan, when you hear everybody deserves healthcare, these things, it would be great. the problem is there isn't a way to pay for it or to make it happen. and if you just look at the map, if you confiscated every dollar everybody made over $200,000, you couldn't pay for the programs 100% taxation. i believe in my heart we all want to get to the same place, where everybody is healthy and

has healthcare, everybody has an opportunity. but, we disagree on how to get there because for me, i do the math and these things don't work. they don't add up. you can't make it happen. what are your thoughts? >> juan: we're in process in terms of as a country, trying to find out how we go about doing a better job of delivering quality healthcare to more people. numbers from census indicated for the first time in 10 years, rise in number of people without any kind of health insurance. obviously there is a crisis here and we know about people working class people who have catastrophic injury and suddenly you're bankrupted. i think last night you saw on stage the real divide among the democrats, with some saying let's go medicare for all and others saying how do you pay for it. of course, the big-ticket item and one that would cost the democrats is the loss of private insurance for some people.

bernie's response, interesting to listen, he says you will not pay as much in deductibles, premiums. >> harris: no, you will have it taken out of your paycheck. biden gave, if you earn $60 grand, you will be paying 5 or 5 more on top of what you are potentially paying, depending on the plan you have. >> juan: harris, less than you paying deductible? >> harris: i don't know. >> juan: that is interesting argument. >> harris: but then it is not your choice, what i hear you saying, correct me if i'm wrong, line about keeping health insurance, do you believe biden is true on that? do you think he can help you do that? what gift does he have better than your former party's president? obama? >> juan: -- right. >> it wasn't a lie. >> juan: paid a huge price. i am not going to pay that price, he got burned. >> harris: why does he keep -- >> let me ask you this, juan

says fewer have health insurance now, the problem when people had health insurance before, having insurance didn't get you healthcare. you go and people are excited about obamacare, then no one would take it, when they got someone to take it, they got a huge bill they couldn't pay, it didn't cover anything. they had experience, it didn't cover anything. >> also, something this administration has gotten right about healthcare, no transparency when it comes to cost. you go in for a procedure, you don't know what your insurance company is going to cover and the government, giving doctors and hospitals automatic 40% pay cut disincentivises smart people from getting into medicine at all. the other thing, you can't factor how many people go to every imaginable doctor and the system is overrun and more expensive. >> look, the reason there are fewer people on -- who have health insurance now is because they are not being forced by the government to purchase health

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>> george papadopoulos, michael flynn, not telling the truth to the f.b.i., it seems warranted. >> your reaction to andrew mccabe facing the prospect of criminal indictment? this after attorneys were unable to persuade senior justice department officials not to

pursue criminal charges. sources telling fox news, deputy attorney general declined appeal from mccabe's lawyers, recommending charges against him. mccabe, a frequent critic of president trump accused of lying about media leaks during an internal investigation. kennedy, isn't this just mccabe being held to same standard he held other people to when he was the deputy director of the f.b.i.? >> frankly, you are the number two person in charge of this country's largest law enforcement organization, i think you should be held to a higher standard, given the amount of power and the effect he could have on people's lives and the protocol that is expected from people in his position that he seems to have violated. is it that big of a deal? maybe not. apparently, lying to the f.b.i. is enough to get you an indictment. so i think if we are going to see for some, it is political

reciprocity, for others it should be blind justice. >> juan, this has been fun andrew mccabe being prosecuted because he is against president trump, he leaked to the media. the issue is he lied under oath to investigators that is why he's being referred and the charges are moving forward. >> juan: i think his lawyers argue, katie, he as deputy f.b.i. director approved disclosures to the media. and so, when he said -- >> why lie about it, then? >> juan: i don't know, that is the question. i am -- the u.s. attorney for district of columbia would say, you should be health to same standard, you are eligible for prosecution. it doesn't mean he will be prosecuted. the irony, it is not about donald trump, the leak was about the clinton foundation and damaged hillary clinton. >> and he lied about it, harris, are you surprised the charges are moving forward given the lack of accountability for the

double-standard? >> harris: there has been accountability for people lying officials. what surprised me all along, there was a push and trying to appeal, how slow the process has gone. weave known these facts for a while. we have known it might be helpful to finds out about fisa. it took a battle between democrats and republicans to figure out we needed to look at that. republicans knew it, maybe americans knew it. this situation, he was in the text messages between the paramores at the f.b.i., caught up in some things, why he would lie about details with the clintons, no way to know. now you dig deeper because you got a little something, no, it doesn't surprise me. >> melissa, his lawyers were convinced he was going to get off, they would cut a deal with the u.s. attorney's office and wouldn't move forward, like a number of government officials have been able to do in the

past. he had the go fund me page got $500,000 after he was fired by jeff sessions, has a new contract at cnn, are you surprised there is accountability for a government official? >> not in the sense the inspector general has done a really good job. in this case, you know, somebody that was appointed by president obama, he has been in this position and there has been a lot of truth come out as a result. juan makes a great point, this was about hillary clinton e-mail investigation. the reason he lied there, related to the fact his wife was taking money rel e related to the clintons, as well. to have conflicts like this is scary for americans. >> we will watch and see what the charges may be. in the meantime, texas-size warning spell trouble for gop in 2020, is lonestar state turning blue? >> we will not vote for somebody who wants to take our guns,

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unfortunately, it can't do anything about that. now that you know the truth... are you in good hands? ♪ >> kennedy: hello and welcome back. republican senator ted cruz sounding the alarm that the lone star state, which traditionally goes for the g.o.p., may soon turn to the democrats next year. saying, "the texas election in 2018 is powerful foreshadowing for what to expect across the country in 2020. if the left shows up in massive numbers and everybody else doesn't, that's how we end up with an incredibly damaging election. if we lose texas, it's game over." on the texas democrat party chairman, echoing that yesterday at a party event in

houston, going texas "the largest battleground state in the country." not everyone is on board with this notion, including trump's 2020 advisor, lara trump. >> i think texas will still remain a red state. hillary clinton claimed she was feeling very good in texas, and she might win texas in 2016. we didn't see that happen. especially when you're talking talking about taking people's guns away. >> kennedy: don't take my guns. juan? >> juan: be seen in some states go from red to purple, bt i think it's kind of premature to talk about texas going democrat. the reason i've seen -- they are putting big money to texas right now. with a few ads or a ground game. they will turn into a blue state. >> kennedy: i don't know if there's any front runner now and the democratic primary process who is going to excite texans to that level. god bless ted cruz, and there's an argument to be made for the people who are moving into texas

from states like new york and california who tend to be democrat voters, but ted cruz also has a bit of a likability problem. that's what he saw the challenge. >> melissa: if you look at the statement they made, "if democrats show up in huge numbers and republicans don't show up at all, "well, duh!" [laughter] i think he's trying to get folks that excited. there's a question about people who are traditionally liberals moving to other states, for tax benefits. do they change their voting pattern? i did a little drilling down on that. here's the phenomenon, katie. if a company moves and takes all its employees, it could take with it people with liberal leanings and change the state. when people move for tax purposes, like in florida, they don't suddenly forget why they moved there and all of the sudden the electorate changes. i always try to figure out, how does that possibly make sense? if you're moving because the better economy, why would you -- >> kennedy: why would you turn it into high tech state?

>> melissa: of a huge company takes there, that's a danger. >> kennedy: having said that, people are dumb. go ahead. >> katie: this might be why the company's leaving somewhere like california. >> kennedy: tax is making a big push for california. they're throwing the door open and saying, "come on over!" >> katie: taking for granted what texas culture has been for a long time. you can say, "we won't let them take our guns," but if you don't vote and you think everyone is republican in texas, which they aren't anymore as urban centers continue to grow and rural centers continue to get smaller, you're going to have a problem. ted cruz did not win in a landslide against beto o'rourke. he had to really work hard to win that seat and to keep that seat. let's not forget, republicans lost in alabama senate seat, and that's the reddest estate in the country. >> melissa: those issues you talked about sound like they are about candidates, not electorate necessarily. >> katie: you also look at demographics on the map of texas. >> kennedy: but still.

>> juan: you are fun. [laughter] >> kennedy: it's friday! think so much to the fantastic juan williams. have a beautiful weekend. we are back monday at noon eastern. right now, here's harris faulkner. >> harris: the next wave of facts on this former fbi director, or deputy director, andrew mccabe, could soon be indicted. no calling for criminal charges against him. this is "outnumbered overtime," i'm harris faulkner. the u.s. attorney in washington, d.c., is recommending charges of lying to investigators. it was breaking news at this hour yesterday and more developments today. the doj rejected a last-minute appeal from mccabe's legal team. president trump's attorney, jay sekulow, says he thinks the worst is yet to come. >> its perjury. that's what this allegation is. i want to be clear on this. i think this is just the beginning of