all this now is going -- >> melissa: we will likely hear more from secretary pompeo shortly as he travels abroad. think of for joining us here. we will see right here tomorrow. "outnumbered" starts now. >> melissa: former trump campaign manager corey lewandowski hitting back as chairman another for it and sold them in contempt after yesterday's raucous house judiciary hearing. this is "outnumbered" and i'm melissa francis. here's today's harris faulkner. fox news business network anchor, dagen mcdowell. syndicated radio host and fox news contributor, leslie marshall. and joining us on the couch, former arkansas governor and fox news contributor, mike huckabee, and he is "outnumbered." we are happy to have you here, governor. >> mr. huckabee: what a pleasure to be back! i thought i would never be invited back after that last time when i tore up the couch and made a mess of things. >> harris: it was a party, what are you talking about? >> mr. huckabee: very embarrassing. >> melissa: you are a party animal. >> mr. huckabee: that's me. everybody knows that about me.

great to be with you. >> melissa: you, as well. house democrats' first impeachment probe turning fiery, and contentious, as corey lewandowski ripped them for even holding the hearing in the first place. now democrats are deeply divided over their next move, while lewandowski continues to push back. >> what this charade was was another demonstration no collision, no obstruction. which is what the mueller team said. they want to drag me before the committee, i'm happy to do that. but the american people don't agree with it. members of their own district and on caucus don't agree with it. so this is all just a circus that chairman nadler has continued to pursue. the two lewandowski's testimony frustrating democrats as house judiciary chair nadler threatens contempt. >> your behavior in this hearing room has been complete the un. it's part of a pattern of the white house desperate for the american people not to hear the truth. i've been asked several times

today whether the committee will hold you in contempt. that is certainly under consideration. >> melissa: during the hearing, democrats claimed that lewandowski agreed to help the president obstruct justice, but also said he refused to follow through on pushing former attorney general sessions to limit the mueller investigation. >> the president knew what he was doing was wrong. mr. sessions knew what he was doing was wrong. mr. mcgahn knew what he was doing was wrong. but mr. trump was wrong. at the last minute, you got cold feet. you chickened out. the president's trust was misplaced. >> governor, i was watching that yesterday and i was thinking to myself, "boy, corey lewandowski is really enjoying himself. he seems to love it, he was prepared." he's running for office in new hampshire. it seems like this played into his hands. >> mr. huckabee: absolutely, it did. i know i'm fairly fairly well. i assure you he did not wet his pants and that hearing room yesterday. he enjoyed every minute of it.

steve cohen, one of the most incredible people in terms of just being mean, what he was saying about chickening out, if anybody knows about chicken it would be the guy who brought a bucket of chicken to the hearing room one day. but it was a circus. what really is significant of everything that happened today, it's what didn't happen. nancy pelosi didn't approve of it. the fact is she's a smart political figure. her own caucus ought to be listening to her. she has told him, "stop this impeachment nonsense. you are playing to the republicans' hands." i wish -- well, i don't wish they would listen to her, because this whole thing is helping our side as republicans. but the fact is nancy pelosi knows she doesn't have 218 votes, and that's what it takes to impeach somebody. even if she got it, it's going to die in the senate and embarrass the entire democratic caucus. why they don't understand that -- jerry nadler is fishing in the dead sea. it's like he's chartered a boat, is gone out and put 16 poles with bait on them trying to catch a fish in the dead sea. it ain't happening.

>> melissa: nancy pelosi said, "we don't have the votes in the house, democrats simply don't have the votes to impeach trump." and, "you can feel free to leak this." this was according to multiple people in the room. that makes me deeply suspicious. that she's playing good cop, bad cop. that she doesn't necessarily disprove, but wants to be on the record to say that some democrats disagree. if this group wants to do it, everybody is safe. >> leslie: i agree with you, i'm in shock. [laughter] a no -- look, i don't think she's playing good cop/bad cop. i think what she's doing is what she has said along. "we will impeach if there's a smoking gun. congress has to do its due diligence. it's the responsibility constitutionally to go down this road. to that point, she knows not only politically is this helping republicans -- of anything, it helps corey lewandowski for people in new hampshire that don't know his name and never heard of him, name recognition is the number one thing where

somebody was for you. two, why are we televising this? voters don't care, especially independent voters and swing voters, who both democrats and republicans need in the general election. three, it is such a distraction for the more than 200 pieces of legislation democrats have put forth into the senate that have stalled. that's what democrats should be focusing on and bring into the mind-set of the american voters. >> melissa: but they were the ones that said they would impeach, they sat there and promise that. they had to look like they were at least trying, right, harris? >> harris: they can look like they are trying but they can't change the fact that there are some of the party know who are starting to question the strategy of this. it's a lot of, as you say, wasted capital and energy away from other things. but it's also wasted capital and energy against getting somebody into the white house that is wearing blue. i'm a little confused. they don't even talk about the 2020 democratic candidates anymore. i've known you, i think, governor, if you allow me, well enough to know that what you're saying, "i wish nancy pelosi and

those people would listen," because you have worked with both sides. and you understand that there is a broken half in the room, nothing gets done. >> mr. huckabee: in a perfect world they would sit down with nancy pelosi and say, "what would can we do that would make house democrats look good," they can maintain a majority in the house and they've even even get more senators. but you won't get far if we are known for is a phony impeachment process. everybody knows that's not going anywhere. >> melissa: what would have shut light on this, they can come if you had inspector horowitz -- he is jim jordan on that, i will he respond on the other side. >> i asked the chairman where we might have to have an opportunity to question mr. horovitz. he said, "i haven't thought about that." of course you haven't thought about that. too busy trying to impeach the president. slapping subpoenas on corey lewandowski. >> melissa: what do you think about that? >> dagen: i think jerry nadler, the congressman, is going to try and avoid

calling horowitz as long as he possibly can, depending on what's in the report. the coming report will give us insight into the corrupt fisa process. even on the surface we know that a dossier used to get a warrant to spy on an american citizen and a number of the trump campaign was paid for by president trump's opponent. >> harris: which begs the question, why didn't they wait for the ig report? they waited for the mueller report trade some of them did. al green didn't. that representative didn't wait. he wanted to impeach from day one. but that does don't like wisdom along democrats -- if you want to call it that, it didn't work out for them -- "we will wait for the mueller report." why not wait for michael horowitz can agree know he's deliver the goods before. that when he takes a look at something, it will be better than anybody in the house democrat among the judiciary. i asked this of one of the republican members yesterday. is there anybody on the hill that can do it bob mueller did? he said no. >> dagen: i just want to point

something out, we were talking about the impeachment process. jerry nadler is trying to turn the tide with the american people. at some of the democrats think. they are watching the polls to see if the american people, if the people in favor of impeachment, if that number is going up. >> harris: do you think it will? >> dagen: it has not moved at all since the mueller report came out in mid-april. there was a recent poll, 37% support impeachment. it's been between 35% and 38% since mid-april. they are having this puppy and pony show, and instead yesterday they invited and angry hissing possum. again, it makes them look bad. >> harris: [laughs] it makes them look ill-prepared. at one point when the other was pressing lewandowski about the report, going to try, page 90, and lewandowski said, "which paragraph? i want to make sure i get it right, you're telling me to quote something."

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>> i think in this case the editors thought it was better to remove it. in removing her name, they removed the other reference to the fact that she didn't remember. i think the judgment was made to omit her name, and that sentence also included the fact that she didn't remember it. >> in that sentence that had her name, it also had that she didn't remember it. the one "new york times" reporter's making the rounds amid fallout over their botched essay that included a new claim of sexual assault against supreme court justice brett kavanaugh by a yale classmate. the officer on a media blitz of sorts, blaming "times" editors for deleting a key detail that the alleged victim actually has no memory of any assault. but now downplaying the woman's lack of memory, because she may have been drunk at the time.

>> yes, she has said to a friend that she has no memory of this, but also importantly and sort of what's equally real is that we have a witness -- >> i don't understand why the criticism is there. >> she was incredibly drunk at that party, as was everyone. so we are talking about memory here, it's really kind of a questionable. >> harris: president trump treated "the new york times and the an editor for the horrible mistake that they made in trying to destroy or influence justice brett cavanaugh. it wasn't the editor. the times knew everything. they are sick and desperate, losing in so many ways. ." governor huckabee, the president has called for the firing of anybody about anything to do with this "new york times" story. what do you think should happen? >> mr. huckabee: five or the editor of "the new york times," i would fire some people who put the paper in that kind of a position. the paper basically self immolated after all this. this is a disastrous moment for "the new york times." at a time when they are being

called for canoes and people are questioning their integrity, the last thing they need is a story which is a self-inflicted wound. that's what they've done to themselves. this is their own making, and it makes them look really, really bad. >> harris: leslie, as you look at this, is there any sort of political prism that you apply? >> leslie: i know people look at it and say, because "the new york times" clearly slants left and has written so many negative things about the president, that this would be political motivated. this to me is beyond the opposite of what journalistic integrity is. this is so far away from what "the new york times" used to be. when my parents used to read it when i was a kid, coming up back in the day. but i have to tell you, i write for foxnews.com every week. this is how it goes -- we talk about ideas, i write my piece, they make some edits and check with me if that don't make those edits are okay. so i don't buy any of this, quite frankly.

>> you think the writers knew, that there were more eyes on it than examined? >> leslie: there are more eyes than just an editor. there is more culpability ambling here. but i don't think it's publicly motivated then i will tell you why. just because of money paid they've had issues and they won't do this to themselves, if nothing else for the bottom line. >> harris: so why do it? >> leslie: to sell books. >> leslie: >> harris: but "the new york times" doesn't get a cut of those books. >> leslie: this comment to me, is a screw up all the way to the top. you have the reported her, the editor, and the editors boss that oversees a story like this. >> harris: my take away from what you are saying is you are writing it down like an opinion article. an op-ed. if those checks are in place with journalism, imagine what they are for those who are supposed to be coaching facts, talking with witnesses, corroboe witnesses, so on and so forth. the detail of knowing that the woman didn't remember anything, and now the back door effect of, "she was drunk, everybody was drunk," how damaging is this?

is the president right when he says the times is feeling? >> dagen: it isn't failing because subscriptions are up in the most recent quarter. they had a good quarter. could this hurt them? the president doesn't need to weigh in on what they do and do not do in terms of people who work there. they will take their own grave, so to speak. but i will point this out -- journalism 101, my first reporting job was hard-core. two sources. this is one source. this is max stier, period. the. really quickly, the times had to write an faq on its website explaining these -- >> harris: frequently asked questions! >> dagen: it seems to be that their rationale for printing it during the author's investigation learned that a classmate, don asked max stier,

witness it and reported to the fbi. they corroborated his story with two government officials that said they found it credible. so they found his story credible but they weren't there. they didn't even hear the story secondhand. again, this is just something that no decent publication should print. >> harris: he had access to some pretty high up democratic lawmakers. he's a former attorney during -- i don't call it the lewinsky scandal, i called the bill clinton scandal. the sex scandal in the white house. he had access to some pretty strong democrats. i know you say it's not political, but we want to point out. this max speed limit isn't someone who just popped up on a corner. >> melissa: go ahead. >> harris: i was going to get this and get your reaction. one of the articles, the book that tipped us off, "the education of brett kavanaugh," admits she wrote the original tweet "the new york times" had to apologize for.

>> i drafted this with this in mind, to have the opposite effect, which was to anticipate those who would say a guy pulled down his pants at a party, it's on the spectrum of sexual misconduct. it's not sexual assault, it's not rape, what's the big deal? >> harris: you have an article, "the took out some of my writing that the victim wasn't a victim." but she wrote a tweet to bring some heat to your piece to make sure people would read it. >> melissa: to make people would read it and that he bought the book. i know her, i've said it before, she's good journalist. to me, but this feels like, it's somebody who committed to writing a book, did all the research, didn't have enough, but they were already committed and down the road. so they just kept going and put it out. and they were in a situation where they had probably taken the advance and put in the time. but they just didn't have enough that was new to justify the book. when you go through and look at what they -- they couldn't even get to the people they needed to

talk to. at that point he would go in, if you were a reporter, and said, "i don't have enough to do this." but if you are writing a book, you're stuck. you're committed to it. >> dagen: you are stuck with the advance come too. [laughs] >> mr. huckabee: you have a father who has little girls, who has to go through this all over again without a shred of evidence. i just think there is something wrong in our overall culture, when we shred people like paper and act like it's no big deal. it is a big deal to the family of people who are on the receiving end of this nonsense. >> harris: we are really going to go deep on this on "outnumbered overtime." i will be sitting down with the former "new york times" executive editor, jill abramson, to get her take on all of this. it will be her first interview weighing in on this controversy. if she ran the paper, what would she do? be sure to watch that right here at the top of the next hour, 1:00 p.m. eastern. >> melissa: i will be glued, that sounds good. you and you're my friend! >> melissa: i will be glued

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♪ >> dagen: a prominent democratic donor and activist has been charged with running a drug den after a third man reportedly suffered an overdose inside his west hollywood home. ed buck has faced public scrutiny before, after two men died from overdoses eight months apart inside his residence.

he was not charged in those cases. a local activist who had been buck for some time or in the back in january that another man could die. >> two men have died in his house within 18 months. that is not a coincidence prayed as i said, we have nearly a dozen young men who have come forward who are sharing their stories with detectives, who have spoken to me. this is a pattern, a practice with ed buck. it is very clear that if he has not stopped there will be a third body. >> dagen: court documents, they allege that buck manipulates his victims into participating in his sexual fetishes. these include applying and personally administering dangerously large doses of narcotics to his victims. buck, who is being held on $4 million bail, denies any wrongdoing. leslie, to you first on this. this is where right, left,

center government failed those people who are most vulnerable. and it is appalling that this would go on after two men already died. this third victim survived this overdose. >> leslie: with this woman said is 100% right. this isn't about politics. this is about mr. buck being white, being rich, and being powerful. mr. moore died in 2017. it's now 2019. finally charges are brought. we see it happen with prostitutes, the homeless, drug users. those addicted to drugs, as allegedly mr. moore was. their lives are no less valuable than those people -- people of color 'lives are not less valuable than people are white. drug users who are homeless, their lives should not be less valuable. to me, this is not politics. this ghost -- to your point, this happens left and right. that rich and white don't go gt

arrested as fast as someone who is poor, minority, especially if they are a drug user. >> mr. huckabee: i agree with what you said, with may shock you. this is nothing to do with the fact these democratic donor or the fact that he is gay. he's a person who took advantage and exploited vulnerable people, and was willing to take them to very dangerous places that ultimately cost two lives in almost because they feared one. i hope he gets treated like any other criminal. because -- i don't know what his politics are, how much money he's given. i don't want him to be prosecuted more or less because of his poetical contributions or his leanings. this is about a tragic injustice done to some very vulnerable people that he abused and used and treated like objects. i find that repulsive. >> harris: i'm reading from the documents, they say that ed buck personally administering dangerously large doses of narcotics to his victims, and is

a predator with no regard for human life. >> dagen: the thing i have found deeply upsetting is how long this went on. because mr. moore died in mid-2017. his mother -- this is according to the "los angeles times," she had questioned whether buck's ties to elected officials and differences in race and class influenced the investigation. in february, his mother filed a wrongful death suit against buck, alleging that he was a drug dealer who injected her son with a fatal dose of crystal methamphetamine. >> melissa: is another situation where you say, "how can this go for so long?" if we know about this crime situation happening all the way in l.a., and it reminds me of the jeffrey epstein case in the sense that here is somebody walking around in continuing to take it vantage of people. when people in power have already been informed of what's going on, and it just kind of rocks your face in the justice

system that he can continue to be that type of predator. when you look at all these cases, who the victims were. people who have a hard time defending themselves. >> harris: the enablers around them, the privilege with which they roll. the victims they racked up that we know about. we don't know this whole story yet. i know that there has been talk -- you brought this up, too -- politics not being rolled. i want to make it clear, is not a democratic he was a democrat donor over the last decade. that's actually not a huge amount, you wouldn't call him a mega donor. but he is somebody that clearly republicans would now. those people around him would be aware. what did i say back i meant democrats. they would be aware of what was going on, at least in terms of his politics. maybe politics had nothing to do with it, as you point out, leslie. just to give the facts, he did give some cash. >> dagen: the police and prosecutors, he was clearly known to them because two men had already died in his

apartment. i think the original victim, he had a diary that was discovered. so the first two men died, the second one managed to survive of the overdose and make his way to file a report on ed buck. that's why he eventually got arrested. a government here, a government there, government everywhere. they cannot protect the most vulnerable in this country. that is what is so disturbing. >> mr. huckabee: that makes people angry. does it go differently for someone who is privileged versus someone who is not? >> dagen: a fox news alert, secretary of state mike pompeo just now on the ground in saudi arabia as tensions between iran and the u.s. reach a critical point. whether military action is necessary.

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>> melissa: fox news alert, secretary of state mike pompeo is in saudi arabia at this hour. this comes amid rising tensions in the middle east, following strikes on two saudi oil fields. earlier today the saudi government said there is no doubt that iran sponsored the attacks over the weekend. however, tehran denies any involvement. in the meantime, president trump ordering treasury secretary steve mnuchin to substantially increase sanctions on iran, but senator lindsey graham says the u.s. needs to do more. all right, let's bring it out to the couch. governor, the saudis had a press conference earlier today. they said they included that it wasn't raining-sponsored. they do not have the exact point of origin of the missiles yet,

but they said data analysis indicates iranian origin. so it sounds like they are 90 something percent of the way there. what does that mean? how significant is it? >> mr. huckabee: i don't have any doubt that it was iranian. there aren't that many countries that could hit the saudi oil fields, and that would do it. the iranians are the natural source. but i think we've got to be very careful here, and i love lindsey graham. he's a close friend. but they didn't attack us, they attacked the saudis. this isn't our military issue. i think we make a huge mistake to go in militarily. we may give our blessing to the saudis to go do something militarily to iran, but we should not. we should do what we are currently doing, which is the reason the saudis have got their backs against the wall. we put so much economic pressure on them. their economy is collapsing. you too you mean iran? let's play that sound really quickly so the audience can know what it is you're talking about. >> what i'm looking for is for

the administration in the world to restore deterrence, because when it comes to iran's misbehavior we have lost deterrence. being hurt by the maximum pressure campaign, they have not been deterred in terms of the provocative behavior, and it will take something beyond sanctions to achieve that. >> melissa: leslie, he is very hawkish and sounds like he wants action. the president's tone is different when he talks about what to do. he talks about the weapons that have been sold to the saudis. it feels like his approach is, "let's put on more sanctions, ratchet up the pressure as much as we possibly can," but on the other hand he opens the door to diplomacy. especially as the u.n. annual meeting kicked off yesterday and goes through the end of the month. what do you think? >> leslie: i think we are 44 4 4 for 4 an agreement today.

>> mr. huckabee: oh, no! [laughs] >> mr. huckabee: >> leslie: am i don't want to wear any cost. here's the thing -- between united states and israel, and then put in saudi arabia, the number of nuclear warheads we have could make iran a parking lot in 9-15 minutes. they know this. saudi arabia is not the 51st state of the united states. i agree with the governor, this is not our fight. we can give a blessing. we already do help saudi arabia with military weaponry. as american military weaponry. but i have to say also, as a strong liberal, if we are outraged about this, as we should be, we should also be a breach about the hospitals, the school, and the children the saudis have killed in yemen. >> harris: and the american journalists. we can be outraged about that, too. >> leslie: khashoggi. >> harris: we had a lot of evidence of what happened to jamal khashoggi. we did nothing. if we did anything clandestinely, we don't know

about it. so it looks like we did nothing. i'm not saying this is a secretary, "if you killed our journalist we are not going to give a blessing --" look, it's understandable. they have been in a proxy war in yemen. they need to bring an end to something there. right, governor? their end game needs to be clear to the rest of the world. and can we deal with some other stuff while we have that on the table? >> dagen: but if we attack and act on behalf of saudi arabia, we give iran with it wants. that's much higher oil prices. again, they got what it wanted by disrupting supplies. coming back online by the end of september. the real worry here, why didn't the u.s., the largest military budget in the world, and saudi arabia, the third largest military budget in the world, why wasn't our technology -- why couldn't be protect from the attack? >> harris: that's a great question. >> dagen: we need to close those holes. that's what they will be talking about. b6 i'll bet you will see israeld

saudi arabia talking about getting the iron dome for saudi arabia. >> melissa: but it's important to point out as well that we are talking about iran's escalating bad behavior around the world, in all different places. this comes on the heels of everything that happened in the strait of hormuz, our drone, and the fact that they are lashing out in all a bunch of different places. this isn't just about saudi arabia, is there behavior around the world for long period of time now. >> dagen: more nations need to act, get on board and lock arms with the united states. >> leslie: international communities have to work to squelch this. >> melissa: division among democrats on full display as congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez endorses the primary challenger of moderate incumbent. how this will impact the party unity out of 2020. ♪ our members shop a little differently.

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♪ >> harris: congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez with her first endorsement of a liberal challenger to an incumbent house democrat, backing marie newman over 8-term illinois moderates, dan lipinski. oh ocasio-cortez tweeted this.

"it's going to take a bigger, stronger democratic party, one that returns to her fdr roots and rights for working people, to change our future in 2020. we can't afford deep blue seats fighting against health care and equal rights. we need marie newman." meanwhile, lipinski, who beat newman in 2018, starting back with this. "alexandria ocasio-cortez's endorsement of marie newman makes clear that she's an extreme candidate. voters do not want to be represented by a fifth member of the squad." leslie! >> leslie: flip it blue does not mean you take a blue seat and you flip it blue. you flip a red seat to blue. this drives me crazy. i mean, democrats have the majority in the house. if you want to keep it and if you want to increase that majority, flip a red seat blue. the same in the senate. i'm sorry, i know -- i love a lot of what she does and i think what she did was incredible, slitting the sea that she has.

again, we didn't gain anything by that, except quite frankly in doing this, more division. he makes it harder for speaker pelosi to lead the one party united as a speaker, especially going to general election 2020. >> harris: so this is point number five you agree? >> leslie: are you nodding? >> mr. huckabee: i agree politically but i'm glad she's doing it because it only helps the republicans in the long run. the democrats are committing fratricide, and the rest of us stand back and say, "well, bravo. keep at it, aoc." but it's not a smart political move and it's one that i'm she s got to be exasperated with it. i will go back to this -- this is going to shock some conservatives. i don't particularly like nancy pelosi. i don't agree with almost anything she stands for. but i respect her. she's a very able legislator and a brilliant political operatives, and strategists. she is watching this and saying, "you are hurting our ability to be a stronger party."

>> harris: how deep is the divide? there's more from aoc. let's watch that as she doubles down on endorsing liberal candidates. she says, "we are taking a look at how we can be helpful transforming the party in 2020. i don't have a quota or a plan, but we are certainly kind of actively looking through to see where we can bring in new people to this institution." bt was interesting to me is it all depends on whether you look at politics as a team sport or an individual sport. she looks at it as an individual's part. she has a very distinct brand, she's very good at what she does. she commands all kinds of national attention. she has found a spot where she can come in and do her thing. so maybe it's about her overall democratic cohesion, but for her, she is widening her brand, or platform, her team if you get someone else in there who is this extreme as she has maybe you're trying to win with those bunch of time is not

sport. you are killing people in the same party, trying to beat somebody come whether it's a present or someone else. what she is doing is working for her, i think. unless the rest of the party shows up and kills her. but i don't see that happening. >> mr. huckabee: melissa, she's playing the short game, not the long game. you will be up like a rocket and down like a rock, because you can't sustain a long, successful, and influential political career by stabbing the various people in your own party in the back. they may not stab you back today, but the day comes when you get stabbed and they let you bleed to death. they do not come to your rescue. >> harris: wow. >> mr. huckabee: that's where she's headed. for me it's pretty evident that she's all in it for her own platform. >> melissa: for sure. >> dagen: if you're a democrat and aoc comes calling with her magic pixie dust, you better say, "no, thank you." it carries a stench with the end

it appears to be voter repellent. here's a headline from "the wall street journal" in early august. "most candidates backed by alexandria ocasio-cortez and bernie sanders falter." this was -- >> harris: so if you are marie newman you are going, "wait, don't endorsement!" >> mr. huckabee: [laughs] >> dagen: gretchen whitmer beat two candidates, one of whom was backed by aoc. kansas primary to challenge republican kevin yoder, aoc and sanders backed a labor lawyer. he lost. >> harris: it made for most-ctv. elizabeth warren pressed about the cost of her liberal plan. why even a friendly stephen colbert had problems with her answers. ♪ are you a veteran, own a home, and need cash? you should know about the newday va guaranteed cash out loan. it lets you take out an average of over 50,000 dollars. i called and got 51,300 dollars. i called and got 54,200 dollars. we called and we got 58,800 dollars.

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the messages that senator, during an interview with stephen colbert, stumped by a direct question about how she would pay for medicare for all. speaker you keep being asked in the debates, "how will you pay for it can medically raise the middle-class taxes?" >> writes. >> how you pay for it? are you going to read the middle-class taxes? >> here's how we are going to do this -- costs are going to go up for the wealthiest americans, for big corporations. >> tax is what you mean by cost? >> yeah. and hardworking middle-class families are going to see their costs go down. >> but will their taxes go up? >> here's the thing -- >> but here's the thing -- [laughter] >> dagen: meantime, a new poll shows that war and is rising as the progressive to beat. she now says that 25%, just six points behind biden and 11 points out bernie sanders. despite being in second, warren does have is going for her --

the data also suggests her liberal policies may work to her advantage. 56% of voters said they favor a candidate with larger-scale proposals, which might be hard to pass, compared to 40% of voters who preferred someone with less ambitious ideas. ambitious ideas that would require the amounts that we pay in taxes as individuals and corporations to more than double in this country. just for medicare for all. >> melissa: if you can do the math you know that if you confiscated every dollar that everybody made over $200,000 a year made, you can pay for all these plans. so definitely taxes on middle class were go up. there's no way around that came , even knew few take money for corporations. wic articles were viewed on the actual math and would have to. when bernie sanders, when they see them whether tech is go up, he says yes,y other things so

it will even out. but he at least has the chutzpah to admit that everyone's taxes will go up. the fact that she sat there and wouldn't answer the question i think we'll end up being her achilles' heel, because people now hate people who are dishonest, disingenuous, when running for office. you can hurt yourself by revealing the truth, but by sitting there and not answering the question, you hurt yourself even more. >> dagen: there were reports about the sanders campaign. i want to get to this quote. "after a pair of setbacks this week, the acrimonious shake-up of his half of new hampshire on sunday, and loss of the working family parties endorsement to elizabeth warren a day later, sanders' allies and former aides are worried that recent disappointment's are not 1-office temples but rather emblematic of larger problems in his bid for the white house." he ran for the nomination, governor. >> mr. huckabee: thanks for reminding how that turned out. [laughs]

>> melissa: but you get a beer with us! >> mr. huckabee: the problem is that burning is the stale bread on the shelf. elizabeth warren is the first bed. that's why she gets the advantage. if that's what happens, she wins, he loses. >> leslie: will you stop saying what i'm going to say and agree with me? [laughter] >> mr. huckabee: it's true! >> leslie: it is true. in 2016, bernie sanders was the shiny new toy who have these outrageous, revolutionary ideas. it was a revolution he was leading, medicare for all. it's not only a staple of the democratic diet, if you will, but now it's also something embraced by voters across the board. that's when you get down to the differences in democrats. when you have joe biden, centrist and a moderate, who says, "i'm not going to take away private insurance, we will expand on obamacare," he turned to elizabeth warren -- i always do that -- and says, "i will be pay for it?" swing both and independents are

going to ask about that. >> dagen: she's back with your full compensation plan. she's gone further than bernie, even. thank you, governor huckabee. always at your pleasure. now it's about harris take it away. >> harris: president trump has weighed in on the controversy surrounding reporting on supreme court justice brett kavanaugh. you are watching "outnumbered overtime." i'm harris faulkner. president trump has accused "the new york times" of knowingly leaving out key details in an essay about a new sexual assault allegation against justice kavanaugh by a yale classmate. this, as the authors of that report suggest the editors are to blame for removing some important facts from their piec piece. kevin corke live in san diego, california, traveling with the president who is making a stop at the border later today.