are welcome here in the united states. persecution in other countries but here all are welcome. >> bill: tomorrow morning we'll have the president's big speech at the u.n. nice to see you, julie. we have to rock-n-roll. have a good number. >> julie: also want to point out, he said all religions are welcome here in the united states. persecution and other countries, but here all are welcome. >> bill: we will have the big speech. nice to see her. we've got to rock 'n' roll. have a good monday. >> julie: "newsroom news vault" five starts now. >> harris: fox news alert, president trump arriving at the united nations general assembly, a short time ago. we just carried his remarks there on religious freedom. he begins a series of meetings with world leaders as democrats are now ramping up calls for impeachment. this comes amid the controversy over his phone call with ukraine's leader. if you are watching on a fine monday. "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today, melissa francis. former aide to president obama, johanna maska. and a host of "kennedy" on the fox business network, kennedy. in center seat, chris wilson. republican pollster. he said he's "outnumbered," but always welcome. >> chris: thank you periods good to be here. >> harris: another like newsday? its ivory newsday.

>> chris: i don't think they're such a thing as a like newsday. >> harris: president trump defending that conversation with ukraine's president back in jul july. and acknowledging that former vp joe biden did come up on that call. he said he's not worry the controversy. speak out we had a perfect phone call with the president of ukraine. everybody knows it. that's just a democrat witch hunt. you're a go again. they failed with russia, they failed with the recession, they failed with everything. now they are bringing this up. the one that's got the problem is biden. you look at what he did, he did what he would like to have me do. but one problem, i didn't do it. what biden did it's a disgrace. >> harris: house intelligence chairman adam schiff said the president's actions may call for impeachment. >> i have been very reluctant to go down the path of impeachment. but if the president is essentially withholding military aid at the same time that he is trying to browbeat a foreign leader into doing something

illicit that is providing dirt on his opponent during a presidential campaign, then that may be the only remedy that is coequal to the evil that conduct represents. >> harris: yesterday in a letter to house democrats, speaker nancy pelosi suggested impeachment is now on the table, saying the whistle-blower complaint over the president's call takes things to "a new stage." this, as the acting director of national intelligence is expected to testify publicly before a house panel this thursday. chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge is like for us and on the story in washington. catherine? >> thanks, harris, and good afternoon. earlier today, senate minority leader chuck schumer sending this letter calling on mitch mcconnell to take action and press the white house to release the transcript. that letter reads in part, "this is the whistle-blower complaint that i've been labeled urgent and credible not by democrats but a senior-level trump appointee. it is the senate's duty to take this national security matter

seriously and to take action now." over the weekend, president trump acknowledge that a july phone call with the president of ukraine did include a conversation where he raised a corruption allegation against former vice president joe biden and his son, hunter, who sat on the board of ukraine gas committee. they said he may have stepped over the line, and violated something known as the hobbs act, when it is alleged to threaten to withhold aid unless a u.n. prosecutor looking into that gas company was fired. >> you are not getting the billion, i would be leaving here -- six hours? i said, "i'm leaving in six hours. if the prosecutor is not fired, you're not getting the money." >> the communication chief set on fox the allegations cut both ways, and she added the president may have reservations. >> when foreign leaders come together to speak, they need to be able to speak candidly. i think that perhaps releasing this kind of a transcript could set a bad precedent.

he is willing to do it, i think, but there's a lot of other people, lawyers and such, that may have a problem with it. we will see what happens. >> democrats want the top spy, the acting director of national intelligence, joe mcguire, to come to the hill on thursday. he has not released a whistle-blower complaint on a number of grounds, including executive branch medications. >> i think the director should come and testify on thursday and bring the full report of the whistle-blower -- he is taking it to the intelligence community, he can do it behind closed doors. everybody has top-secret clearance of may. i don't think you should have an issue with sharing that. >> between on thursday, harris. i think it's worth noting that what we just heard from the congressman is the first time someone has discussed taking this entire issue to a closed session so the public will not be able to judge it for themselves. >> harris: catherine, thank you very much. chris, i come to you on this, just to see the temperature in the room for impeachment. >> chris: i think the american public is sort of tiring of

these scandals of the week. last week it was the attempt to rehash the brett kavanaugh controversy. this week it's meddling. all the issues here have been kind of percolating in d.c. for a while, and there is no surprise to anybody who pays attention to politics that some of these allegations -- next week it will be something else. as democrats want to go down the road of impeachment they are going to do it. they will find whatever the reason it is to go do it. i think it's a mistake for them politically, and all it does is energize the trump base. there is very little they get out of it. what they need to do is roll through the election and try and win if they think they can. >> harris: johanna, if the president did make these calls eight different times during the conversation, as "the wall street journal" has been reporting -- calls for that new president of ukraine to look into ordering his people to look into joe biden and any ties his son, hunter, had to ukraine -- without the wrong?

>> johanna: if he spent the majority of a call with a foreign leader talking about something that affected him politically instead of talking about america's objectives and what we needed to do together, i think that is troubling. we have a policy when i was in the obama white house, we would have regular ethics briefings. we were told all the time, if you didn't want it on the front page of "the new york times," don't do it. in that vein, if you are cleared of wrongdoing because you are fine with this being on the front page of "the new york times," then you should welcome the investigation. you should give them the whistle-blower report. you should give them the transcript or whatever of the transcript you can give. i know there will be parts that are classified and redacted. but they can make that public. >> harris: i want to push back a little bit on this idea that he should do this, that you should cooperate. haven't we seen the white house cooperate? haven't we seen them during the time of bob mueller? the point, johanna, that i've

been making for weeks now with the thirst of democrats about impeachment inquiry, opening them up to be able to investigate more -- it doesn't necessarily lead them to impeachment -- my question, who among them is bob mueller? or respect that such? other ways it's a bunch of guys, most of congress being attorneys, who are going to fish around like attorneys do. not like bob mueller would. >> johanna: i don't think even bob mueller was about politics this time, that anyone was going to blame him one way or another. everything is fractious. i think we all need to flip the script a little bit more. and read the words of someone without assigning them to a political party or the person that they are -- so if we have the script and we have the call from president trump, then you can do that. and you can evaluate it on its premise. >> harris: kennedy, do you think we need the transcript of that call?

>> kennedy: i think we are getting close. we have to be careful not to be pulled down into the weeds and the particulars that this allows from seeing the bigger picture. i look at this, when i step out of the two coparty trench and i'm in no-woman's land, where both parties going to eastern europe or any sort of influence? because it doesn't mean the president -- he obviously operates different than any other president. i think president obama was a prototypical president in that he comported himself in the way that we assume most presidents do. this president has shattered that. sometimes people go after him for things where there is no ill intention, other times he gives them so much fodder. i think we have to figure out, did he really crossed a line? if so, and if this president is to be confined and constrained to impeachment or whatever other means, future administrations will have to pay that price.

so every person running for president who is asking for transcripts, and sunlight, things that make be appropriate or make be too much for comfort, that they will rue the day. >> harris: part of the criticisms for giving the transcript is that some calls need to be confidential between red leaders. how do you differentiate without actually outing all of them? >> kennedy: because of its politically damaging for the person in the office, that's fine. if you want to have that? i want to go to this. congresswoman ocasio-cortez treated at this point, the biggest national scandal isn't as lawbreaking may become as the democratic party's refusal to impeach him for it. leverage for those people who all along have said, "let's look for another reason to bring that back on the table." then you have nancy pelosi saying that potentially maybe it is back on the table. >> melissa: republicans would love that. i think if they want to pounce on that they should go ahead, and republicans will be

thrilled. i think it's really interesting -- >> harris: i've got to step in, sorry. the president of the united states at the u.n. thank you. >> reporter: will release the transcript of the ukraine call? will you release the transcript? >> melissa: i was going to say something but the transcript. they're asking for it there. that was a reporter shouting at the president saying to release the transcript of a call. it would be interesting to put the words of the transcript against the quote that was just played by catherine herridge of vice president biden. it sounds like -- i know we will talk about the political applications for him later, but in talking about impeachment, if you put his words -- "i said that prosecutor isn't fired, you are not getting the money," versus the president's words in the transcript, next to each other, and you see that there are people in power at the same time saying something political in exchange for aid

and money. >> chris: that's the point, if they go after trump on this issue versus whatever comes up next week they decide is important, joe biden is almost collateral damage. but the point is that he's not going to be convicted in the senate. if they do it in the house, it's irrelevant. >> harris: you know what i think is pretty salient? that two things can't exist at the same time. >> melissa: booth can be wrong. >> harris: joe biden can be guilty as such, and the president can be as guilty as such based on his behavior, as well. >> johanna: there's a good "wall street journal" article that talks about how he was representing the g7, representing imf, a number of with just a spokesperson and that. that's yet to be determined. >> harris: we do have tape so we will see what happens. top republicans demanding accountability for alleged surveillance abuse during the trump russia investigation. some lawmakers saying somebody needs to go to jail. plus, the u.n. general assembly kicks off amid rising tensions

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>> melissa: fox news alert, growing tensions between the u.s. and iran as president trump attends the u.n. general assembly. the u.s. boosting troop levels in the mideast after blaming iran for recent attacks on saudi oil facilities. iran denies any involvement and accuses the u.s. of posturing by sending more troops. >> no, i'm not confident we can avoid the war.

i am confident that we would not start one. but i'm confident that whoever starts one will not be the one who finishes it. that means that there won't be a limited war. >> melissa: meantime, secretary of state mike pompeo responding to republican senators' concerned that president trump and bulls in failing to launch strikes after iran downed a u.s. drone this summer. >> president trump would like to have a diplomatic solution. that's the task in front of us and what we've been aiming for for a little over two years now. the strongest sanctions that have ever been put in place against this revolutionary regime. >> melissa: democratic senator ben cardin blames president trump. >> here is the fault of the trump policies -- before he withdrew from the iran nuclear agreement, there was conversations with the europeans about strengthening the sanctions against iran by pulling out of the nuclear

agreement, it's the view of europe this is an american problem. >> harris: i've heard critics say they feel like the strategy isn't clear with the president. to me, it seems very clear. you pull out, you apply maximum pressure, very hard to sanctions, we see them lashing out because the sanctions are having an impact, and you press harder as you continue to say, "we are willing to sit down and talk," as you press very hard. in your mind, is that the strategy that is going on? >> chris: i think yes. mike pompeo did a good job sort of articulating that yesterday, and has done that all along. we are seeing here is the long-term impact of obama's that disastrous iran deal. i think it will have continued reverberations going forward. it embolden them. it funded them. they won't back down from the long term goals. those goals were, as the deals would have allowed, developing nuclear weapons by 2025. they are willing through that.

>> melissa: what would make them back down from their goals connector goals are nuclear weapons and obliterating everyone who doesn't believe the same things they do. whether it's hard, soft, what would -- >> chris: that is sort of the end result. what do you get? rv in a situation where the sanctions and dimple back pressure puts them in a position where they do begin to back away? because of the pressure they are receiving internally from the people? will they continue to lash out at countries around them? if they do, there may not be a solution of event for us. i think the administration's right to do what they are doing to exhaustible medic options first >> johanna: i do think we need to come tensions. we are in a situation where we have to send more troops over to saudi arabia. i think when those of us who are parents of young kids, we know that we want our kids in the classroom and we don't want them at war. there was a multilateral strategy in place, and i know

that trump, in his election, had promised different action. it wasn't perfect. but i get the question is, but he alone not be able to manipulate some of them i think this is a real test of his strength. he has a lot to prove, because our kids need to see in the classroom. >> melissa: kennedy, it always struck me one of the reasons why iran wanted to stay in that deal so much was because they weren't giving up anything. there were no anytime, anywhere inspections. >> kennedy: no verifiability. >> melissa: still ballistic missiles, the bottom much of money. >> kennedy: secrecy, you don't really know the facilities where the rhenium is being enriched. i will say this about her former boss -- he seems like a great guy. of all the presidency want to go hang out with and have a beer with, he seems like a great family man and a truly good person. what he did in north korea and iran made the world less safe. his foreign policy was an absolute disaster.

i have no doubt that he knew the constitution inside and out, that he was an otherwise rational person. the pacification, the appeasement, and the strategic patience in those iran and north korea, they have created such a mess. thank god we don't have someone as hawkish as john bolton. but his foreign policy philosophy is so incredibly dangerous, and i don't think this president gets enough credit for being measured and is anti-interventionist as he is. >> johanna: what has he actually got done, though, other than a photo op? >> kennedy: well, he has not gotten us into a hot war with iran and north korea. every clinton, the legacy mental holder of the obama administration, if she had been elected, i am very confident that those two scenarios would be realized. >> johanna: i disagree, because she was, again, pursuing the multilateral agreements. it's different than in business. in business you can walk away

and be done with somebody. you can from them and say, "goodbye!" you can't do that when you are the leader of the free world. i understand --dash i think he is also fun to drink beer with, president obama, but he was very methodical to try and get the as together. >> harris: do we know enough about what he was saying? has letters back and forth -- i know it sounds like back in the day, but it wasn't that long ago. ahmadinejad, of iran. to be know enough of what was in the side deals that we know existed? we don't know what was in the side passages to a deal that we extricated ourselves from. i'm just curious, do you really know enough to say all that? i did want to make one point -- melissa, you said nuclear weapons and annihilation of perceived ideological enemies, i think that's what you're saying. how do you get them to stop? i would add to the list identity through terror. which is why they took the cash they got on the deal and spent a lot of it, as we know through our intelligence, on terrorism. i don't know how you turn that

of the person he really, really wants to do that. >> johanna: there was a deal in place. >> melissa: but it didn't include the missiles or the terror. >> johanna: 's to renegotiate, write? have your allies alongside you. this is a question this week -- >> harris: who says they won't negotiate again? maybe they will. >> johanna: how is he leaving the world stage this week kim asked we will see. it was with weren't surging and i new i will poll less than five months away from the caucus. but does her campaign of a critical flaw? plus, joe biden accusing president trump of abusing his power in the current controvers controversy, but some believe the issue could end up hurting the former vice president. >> that's what this guy is, he abuses power everywhere he can. ♪ hmm. exactly.

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he knows i will beat him like a drum, and he is using the abuse of power and every other element of the presidency to try and do something to smear me. >> kennedy: so much smearing! joe biden pushing back as president trump raises questions over the former vp's dealings in ukraine. back in 2016 he pushed for the dismissal of the ukrainian prosecutor widely accused of overlooking corruption in his own office, but at the same time, biden's son, hunter -- very troubled -- works for the national gas company run by ukrainian oligarch. while there is no proof that biden did anything wrong, president trump said it's worth looking into. watch. >> what his son dave is a disgrace. the sun took money from ukraine. the sun took money from china. a lot of money from china. let me just tell you, what biden did was wrong. >> kennedy: oh, mercy. meantime, the ranking republican on house out and took it on the house until committee said that his campaign will be

able to handle scrutiny. >> the stories first originated back when every clinton was trying to make sure that biden didn't get in the race. i don't know who came up with it, maybe there was this was a boy. we were watching from that whistle-blower. but it's seeming like the scheme has backfired. that is probably the end of biden's campaign. >> the end of his campaign? speaker and really do. his lead is basically down to zero. >> kennedy: oh, mercy! does biden have -- what's a big concern for them today, on this monday? is a elizabeth warren surging in iowa? or that they are trying to tie it to him and what ukrainian prosecutor's -- >> chris: i think it's got to be concerned about what's in front of him. when mike iowa and hampshire and one from there. the whole charge is a double win for the left. you see devin nunes talking about it. with the conversations taking place with a lot of democrats, that this not only hurts the president but also hurts biden. it has the ability to move him

out of that frontrunner status very quickly. if these charges start to stick, this is just ukraine -- we will have china come up behind it in terms of charges against biden's son. this is one in which you will see democrats are to pile on at a different level. you have to go where there is smoke, there is fire, investigate. i think of biden does have phone ability. >> melissa: you've watched elizabeth warren be a voice on this. that's how you know how damaging it is to joe biden. it's not even ukraine. the focus for me has always been china. in 2013, vice president joe biden and his son flew there, inked and equity deal with a subsidiary of the chinese government. it was $1.5 billion. after a short time, the chinese funding a business that it coowned along with the son of the sitting vice president. how do you get chinese money, more than a billion dollars, to invest in your project and you

are running that fund? either you have a huge track record for making a ton of money and killing it in private equity -- i know this from covering finance forever -- but under biden doesn't have one minute of a truck in finance >> kennedy: you talk about these ethical conferences he would have in the obama administration -- >> johanna: vice president biden absolutely did attend. but hunter was not part of our administration. he was a private citizen. you look at the situation were president trump's son continue to run the business, and they take meetings with people in china, and around the world. >> melissa: here's the difference -- i come from a financial world. they've done the same business they've always done. under biden was a lobbyist when his father was in congress. >> johanna: he was a lawyer and -- >> melissa: no financial experience at all. and rode on the plane with his dad to collect billions in

something he had no experience, no -- >> kennedy: what a great job! >> melissa: it's been his whole life. you don't walk and then start, unless you bring something great to the table. i don't know in his case what that would be. there's no record of anything. >> harris: would be his father father? >> kennedy: no! [laughter] >> harris: you asked such an interesting question to kick things off, kennedy. what is the most politically dangerous thing for joe biden? you said what's ahead. i would argue it's two things. elizabeth warren would be the most politically dangerous. >> chris: true. >> harris: i would say the progressives on the left. did you catch the interview that ilhan omar did? she's one of the four of the squad. with the guardian over the weekend connect there are few people who fit into the kind of progress that we all want to see in this country, and i would say joe biden is not one of them." >> kennedy: oh, mercy! mean girl job!

>> harris: conceivably what's happening is you got an opening. there are very few left to say, "i don't know what's going on with this, don't know if an investigation is coming. however, he's not the one." >> chris: and biden is being propped up by the congressional black caucus in the endorsing endorsement he has there. does this give an opportunity to peel off? "this is too much for us, let's look at cory booker or kamala harris or elizabeth warren." if that happens, that -- >> kennedy: we've got to go. >> johanna: the truth is, what president trump's sons were doing did not affect him in the republican primary, and i would disagree with the presumptions that this will affect joe biden in the primary. i don't think it will. >> kennedy: i think voters have a way of disconnecting the behavior of their kids from the candidates. it's not that roger clinton would have torpedoed bill clintons election or reelection. i know, calm down. [laughter] the white house still not

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♪ >> if congress would ever get back to work, we can work something. the democrats in congress are doing nothing. i will tell you what -- they are going to lose the election. you know why? because they're not doing anything. >> harris: president trump accusing democrats of inaction on gun control through the white house has not put anything on the table. republicans waiting for the president, 2020 democrat beto o'rourke is still dominated the conversation with his plan for mandatory assault weapon buybacks. one republican senator says that

rhetoric is actually hurting momentum. >> i do think that beto o'rourke does not help things when he advertises that his real plan is to confiscate guns. that's not helpful to this conversation. >> harris: democratic senator chris murphy says republicans are using but it will work scapegoat. >> i think they won't look for any excuse to do it. beto's comments may be their latest hook. the fact of the matter is, if donald trump supports a bill that supports architects and we will get votes for it in the senate. >> harris: for weeks you and i have said this on the couch that we are going around in circles. can someone come up with an idea that can pass the senate? and we are still going around in circles. >> melissa: it is positive in the way that we are still talking about it. normally by now in the aftermath of horrific events we have already forgotten and moved on. in some sense, the fact that it is still at the top of mind

makes me hopeful. at the same time, obviously we are not making a lot of progress. regular americans out there know the difference. when politicians go back and forth and sit in their corner and blame the other side, they are not fooling anyone. regular people out there say, "you're just making an excuse not to do anything." if you want a couple weeks ago, pat toomey was under the senators to sit down with democrats. murphy and joe manchin. with the president. the president even mentioned in one of his back and forth with reporters that week. we looked like we were close to something. was that a mirage in the desert? >> chris: i don't think it was a mirage, there might still be things going on behind closed doors that we don't know about. i think their desperate attempts to remain relevant art in conversation. as beto o'rourke calls for great things like taking away all the guns, it does not help those democrats that are in the middle. even pat toomey, republicans in the middle, trying to get something done. to be able to come push it. i think frankly what it does do

is create a pretty major issue for republicans. blue-collar voters in states like wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania. think about this, president trump won michigan, and there are over 700,000 registered gun owners in michigan. he is hurting his own party. >> harris: why is anybody listening to beto o'rourke? [laughter] >> chris: good question. >> harris: they are not backing him. against the other 2020 democratic candidates. >> johanna: i have a friend who is a beto person. so they invited me to come. >> kennedy: oh, that's the one! [laughs] >> johanna: there are a few! i went to this event with my son because it was grassrootsy, he wasn't using a microphone and he wasn't on stage. >> harris: was he cussing? >> chris: he's got to become of course. >> johanna: afterwards i was like, "i couldn't hear him, he was on the stage, he didn't have a microphone." my son was in the back of the car. we want as friends. my son said, "i heard him." and we were like, "what?

what did he say?" he said, "he wants to end a gun violence at schools." and i was like, "oh, my god." we got silent. we were in the back of the room. so i couldn't even believe that he had heard that. he has been consistent on this issue. >> chris: he has. in 2018 he said he was not for taking away assault weapons. >> johanna: but he's been for safety for our kids. after congress had a gunman come to a baseball game, everybody said, "we are going to finally talk about this." right? kids are under threat and schools. they have to go through these armed intruder protection trainings. which is kind of crazy. we have nothing done for these kids. if our own security is taken care of and our kids' security is not, shame on all of us. >> harris: are you making an argument for listening to beto?

>> johanna: he is actually continuing the conversation. >> harris: everybody's continuing the conversation. cory booker would argue that he -- >> kennedy: you know what he is continuing? the polarization. >> chris: that's right. >> harris: one at a time. >> kennedy: i understand he went to a gun show. he might've gone to carnival for, for all i know. he's not talking about bringing people together, he is talking about tearing people apart. >> chris: cavity -- >> kennedy: it's one of the most divisive issues we have. the way you talk about it, it's a so much about you. >> chris: don't go to extremes. >> kennedy: "we are going to take your ar-15, your ak-47!" okay, machine gun kelly. at what point will we -- >> johanna: the second moment has a well-regulated militia in it. well-regulated. regulated is in there. at one point are we going to --

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♪ >> melissa: a big shift in the democratic race for president. senator elizabeth warren topping a critical iowa poll for the first time, overtaking joe biden in a survey of likely democratic caucus-goers. she is up seven points and strewn. now at 22% biden is at 20% and

warrants fellow progressive bernie sanders rolling out -- sorry, rounding out the top three. biden has led to each "the des moines register"'s' three previous 2020 polls. this is so interesting to me, because i have thought for a while that she was going to be the nominee. smart people on the left leg one william say there has never been a day that joe biden hasn't been out in front. but i think politics has turned into who has the most enthusiasm. not who can be broad, but who has a group that really cares. >> kennedy: if you contrast the biden rally with the trump rally, it's kind of embarrassing because the former vice president just doesn't have that very necessary passion and excitement it's going to take to move the needle and critical states and counties. elizabeth warren is doing something very interesting. she is triangulating before the primary season starts. she is running a race, she is

categorizing all of peoples' mistakes and making sure she doesn't make them. like we talked about before, she's turning to the democratic establishment and talking about capitalism in a way that is more attractive to those moderate and independent voters who are complete we put off by bernie sanders. what she has had to do is distance herself from bernie sanders just enough, and i'm surprised it has taken this long for the polls to show that they do. i think she's had the lead on momentum for a while now. >> harris: she also didn't exactly have the same recognition, name wise, as bernie sanders. ran against eloquent and most regionally and was a former vice president. so i think there's a bit of a lag there. what democratic operatives are telling me is that elizabeth warren has hired everybody in iowa. you got bernie sanders in certain states, and trying to scoop up some more staff, do the reset, the restart button. that's going be hard if you don't get the people

elizabeth warren has. one more thing, such as making a conclusion about mystics not to make. looking at it now, it may seem a little more on the pale side, not as vibrant, when you consider where she's been in terms of getting her own ethnicity and history wrong compared to what joe biden is accused of helping his son do now. >> chris: is important to remember, if you look at "the des moines register" poll, going into christmas season it had ben carson in front in 2016. the last poll the release was the saturday before the caucus, and it had donald trump in front. of course i would point out that ted cruz won. >> kennedy: president cruze? >> chris: it shows winning iowa is not the end all be all. i think you bring up that shared the best people, who have the best volunteer base? >> kennedy: knocking on doors. >> chris: that's right. >> melissa: let me ask you, you're talking about hiring the best staff. where does that money come from?

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>> kennedy: the long-awaited doj watchdog report on possible

fisa abuse in the russia probe could drop next month. this, according to senate judiciary chair lindsey graham. graham also says he will have inspector general michael horowitz testify before his panel, and that anyone found guilty of wrongdoing must face consequences. watch. because >> how could the issue it's? somebody's not punished here, there will be no deterrent and it will happen again and again and again. >> kennedy: ranking house until devon knew not it goes graham on. >> the american would have trust me's intelligence agencies until someone is put in jail. the speaker yet somehow he helped bolster those intelligence agencies. in their ability to gather information and spy on american americans. what will change some of these abuse behaviors? >> chris: oh, my gosh, if i knew the answer to that... it's clear the fisa courts are an easily-abuse institution. used to spy on americans. the courts themselves are more

used to giving the government what they want them protecting innocent americans. i think that is clear. >> kennedy: they tend to rubber-stampings applications at a very high rate with essentially no oversight. >> chris: it appears they are willing to use that abuse of process to take out those they don't like. it is disturbing on several levels, and i think it's got to be fixed. it is a big issue that i think the american public needs to focus on. it's one of a dozen -- it can be used across the board. >> kennedy: are there enough grown-ups on that committee to really get a handle on michael horowitz and that report? speech you maybe, they are usually better in the senate than anywhere else. i think it comes down to a very fundamental thing, that the rule of law is what gives us freedom and what makes our nation safe. if people aren't punished for breaking the law and abusing it, that all goes away. it reminds me of how sometimes you punish people for lying to the fbi, lying to congress, at other times we don't.

there has to be a penalty so that people aren't tempted to abuse their power. >> kennedy: felicity huffman is rotting in jail, yet every clinton is walking the streets. so why does it takes a long this ig report? >> johanna: two things. hillary clinton should be walking the streets, and she didn't bribe any want to get her daughter into any colleges. >> harris: are you sure? >> johanna: second of all, on the point of, what should we do here? it's particularly ironic today when we are talking about the trump administration not giving over the whistle-blowers' report, that they are also saying we need to show more transparency. >> kennedy: amen, i love transparency! >> johanna: i am for transparency. i will be consistency consister transparency again. in terms of the end of the day, whether we should politicize

intelligence, i think that's a bad idea. >> kennedy: it's a horrible idea. well-said! thank you so much, johanna. thanks to you, chris wilson. our one lucky guy. back on the couch tomorrow at noon eastern, 9:00 in the west. now, here's harris. >> harris: we begin with breaking news. we are waiting president trump, expected to make remarks shortly on the sidelines of the united nations general assembly. you are watching "outnumbered overtime" now. i'm harris faulkner. at any moment, president trump will be meeting with pakistan's prime minister amid a growing firestorm as democrats are accusing the president of pushing ukraine to investigate the business dealings of former vice president joe biden's son. but the president today defended his phone call with ukraine's president, which happened back in july, saying democrats are misfiring in their demands for an investigation. watch. >> we had an appropriate phone call with the president of