that will be pretty much in about two hours from now, the next big moment in the story as of today. >> sandra: we will listen to that, stay tuned to the fox fox news channel, we will see you tomorrow. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> harris: fox news alert, awaiting remarks from president trump when he meets with president of finland who is expected to arrive at the white house any moment now. all comes as house democrats impeachment inquiry continues to unfold. moments ago watched top democrats threatening to subpoena the white house for documents. house intelligence chairman adam schiff says that the administration ought to comply with congressional investigators or strengthen their case. >> they are trying to conceal facts that would cooperate the allegations. we are not fooling around, we don't want this to drag on, even as they try to undermine our ability to find the facts around the president's effort to course a foreign leader to create dirt

that he can use against a political opponent. that they will be strengthening the case on obstruction. >> harris: the white house firing back saying that democrats can continue their "kangaroo court" while the president will continue to work on behalf of the country. they says the state department inspector general today was being called what is called an urgent briefing with congressional staffers from house and senate committees. a lot of news. you are watching "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today, melissa francis, fox news correspondent gillian turner is in the house. former ohio senate democratic leader capri cafaro, and in the center seat, the host of bulls and bears on the refreshed powerful fox news network, david ashman. oh, baby, i can sell it. you are "outnumbered," our friend, welcome.

>> david: what a day. >> harris: let's jump right into the discussion. i want to get your thoughts after you saw the chairman adam schiff adam schiff and house speaker nancy pelosi talking impeachment. >> david: whenever i hear adam schiff talking about dirt on political opponents it is hard not to remember two years ago that phone conversation, the phony phone call that he had from the guy claiming to be a ukrainian saying i have dirt on president trump, oh, he has some, there is some real messaging problems that they have, because of their own past, which mimics in so many ways the things that they are accusing this president and this presidency of. that is the key promise, not just the biden issue with ukraine, after all, the president is looking for the origin of the russian probe, that's why he is interested in getting stuff from ukraine, the 2016 election includes a lot of messy stuff including democrats

trying to get dirt on political opponents from people in the ukraine. so when you're shooting out in those bullets have a tendency to ricochet back and hate you, that is a problem. >> harris: jillian, welcome back, it's great to have you back on the couch, we love he too, david, but i miss her. laying out what the risks are for the facts for democrats, i'm curious, what are the risks right now for republicans who do not see a lot of people really voicing one way or another for the president, and it took more than 24 hours for secretary of state to mike pompeo to say that he was on the fall. and he firsthand knowledge. >> gillian: i think the risks are similar, strangely on both sides of the aisle on this issue. i think that the big risks for both sides are messaging. we are seeing what has happened with the democrats since nancy pelosi made this

impeachment inquiry official, she did that to kind of rain and the party to focus messaging, instead as david points out, bullets have been ricocheting everywhere. people are saying everything from president trump should be in jail, to he should be in solitary confinement, all these crazy things, but republicans run that same risk if they don't very quickly coalesced around the same set of talking points too, this goes to your point about where a secretary mike pompeo going to bat for the president on this issue? >> harris: the reason i ask that, melissa, it is logical to me as like one of the biggest voices in our country, and the biggest diplomats we have around the world, the secretary of state to say i was on the call. there was was nothing on tort, we talked before hand, there been some notes and talk about whether the president was prepared, whatever. he could've stepped up and squashed some of this from the beginning. >> melissa: are you talking about the interview with martha

reddick? >> harris: you know that you don't have to be asked the question if you have the answers, can't you speak up first? >> melissa: in that situation it looked like he was sincerely blindsided, not that he was saying, when i watch the interview again and again, you are making this point to me, talking in the hallway -- i think that he was, i don't think she said where you on the call, she said, we have this report and what is this? and he was saying, i have not had a chance to look at this yet, i don't know what we are commenting on here. >> harris: he did say he did not have firsthand knowledge. >> capri: if he was on the call he needed to read the transcript. >> melissa: my point was that that was not the question. they act like he lied about being on the call, he did not say i was not on the call, he just -- i think that all of this is kind of way down in the weeds. >> harris: i don't think so, i think because he is secretary of state he could have easily said i was there, the president did

not do anything wrong. >> capri: that would be a very easy rebuttal. i'm not sure, because as i said yesterday, do we need to know everybody on that call? >> david: i would throw in one thing, that he is a spook. he is a cia guy, and he was not sure about whether or not -- >> harris: that is interesting interesting. >> david: he does recognize executive privilege, so there were these issues. i think he was just being very careful. and it came out before everything was released. >> capri: he may not owe anybody an explanation, but answering the question that was asked rather than the information that you have can be seen as swampy behavior, dancing around it when you know that you were on the call is a wrong message. this is an intersection between politics and governing, as you mention, here's somebody, secretary pompeo came from the

cia, that probably informed his decision-making where he may not be as forthcoming, because he has certain sensitivities to sensitive information. but i also think that again, that comes back to the issue of politics and messaging. and i think that we need to be very careful about this thing, because we talk about draining the swamp and everybody is dancing around everything, if i can make one more quick point about my democrats, because what we are looking at now is very important, very serious matters, but what we have done up to this point for the last three years by being here on fire, not me, but other democrats, hair on fire impeachment people is that now that there is a serious allegation that i think warrants investigation, nobody believes us and we don't have any credibility. >> david: it's the dialogue in the hearings, that's what adam schiff was making up the dialogue instead of reading the transcript and pretending. >> harris: i want to come to

you on this intelligence piece of things, you know, because when you look at the situation room and you look at -- it can be the oval office or wherever these calls happen to be, when the president engages with another leader, you have people on the call who should be the people that he wants around him, i've said this before. they should have us back, that is the reason why a bring up mike pompeo and others. that's the only reason. i'm wondering who is watching out for the president, because the criticism has been in the nation hired a businessman and should you know all of the details? if you should or should not, everybody else should come of the president just tweeted by the way, the do-nothing democrats should be focused on building up our country, not wasting everyone's time and energy on all blank. >> gillian: you handled that very well. >> harris: sometimes it comes from me. >> gillian: would've been

strange and unusual at the secretary of state was not on the call, because he is the one at the end of the day that has to coordinate u.s. foreign policy towards the ukraine, i also think secretary pompeo was in a very delicate situation when confronted with news of the story leaking out in the media, he would have been way out in left field if he told the press without the president's prior approval that he was on that call. also keep in mind until they release the transcript, it was classified, -- >> capri: that came out before pompeo was interviewed. but the participants of the phone call were classified until the moment that the transcript was released as well, that's another thing to keep in mind. >> harris: the other point that i would say, i look at this from both sides, i ask that question about him, but i also would say this, because we know that there could've been contemporaneous notes or whatever, you have those notes on your head, so i'm certain that he cannot share at that

moment everything not fully knowing where the president stands on releasing that material if there is executive privilege or whatever, you have a thought bubble above your head. >> melissa: i just think that it is interesting to watch the democrats drill down on things that today themselves have done, it comes back to that for me, when they talk about asking for a foreign government's help at the time of election, i'm just thinking of how that happened the last time around. >> david: a lot of examples. >> harris: a no hypocrisy is your thing. >> melissa: my pet peeve. >> harris: president trump trying to go over the battle from the impeachment inquiry from the white house moments from now. we will bring in that when it happens. three democratic house committee chairs in a growing standoff with secretary of state mike pompeo amid revelations at the top diplomat was on the president's phone call with ukraine, what were they talking about and more coming up. >> it was about helping the

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in the meantime, house democrats ramp up their impeachment inquiry, as secretary of state mike pompeo today admits that he was on the president's call with the ukrainian leader in july at the center of the firestorm over the whistle-blower complaint. before those remarks, three house democrat chairman blasted pompeo in a letter suggesting that he is now a fact witness in there impeachment inquiry. and accusing him of having a conflict of interest. house intel committee chairman adam schiff adding this just moments ago. >> we are deeply concerned about secretary pompeo's effort now to potentially interfere with witnesses whose testimony is needed before the committee. we want to make it abundantly clear that in any effort done by the president or at the secretary or anyone else to interfere with congress' ability

forward relevant witnesses will be lawful obstruction of congress. >> melissa: gillian, i'm going to lean on your national security experience, what you think? >> gillian: the key that they are putting at the center when it comes to national security is the issue of the secret to -- super secret code word, that may move the transcript of the phone call between president trump to this top-secret code word servei have felt from day one that if they are going to stake their claim to national security on this, it is shaky grounds. because i worked in the office that handles those phone calls for a year and half, people are trying to make the arguments that the act of moving this information in of itself speaks to a cover-up. it doesn't. we need way more information about people, who was involved in what their motivations work before we can go down that path,

presumably at the democrats will get out that in their investigation. i certainly hope so. people are saying that it is unprecedented to move transcripts to that server. it's not. so i think a lot of the core issues on on the national secuy argument have to get fleshed out. people are being very perilous when it comes about talking about this, a lot of pungent sayings, a whole host of things that are not true. it is a complicated issue. >> melissa: this is from "the wall street journal" editorial board, speaking to another question that we are talking about here. mr. pompeo's alleged misdeed is that he was among those listening to mr. trump's july 25th telephone call with ukrainian president, but why shouldn't a secretary of state be on a call to the new president of an important country? u.s. foreign policy as the secretary's job as far as we know, mr. pompeo is not responsible for mr. trump's decision to mention joe biden in the conversation. this is not impeachable behavior or even impeachment news.

thank you. gillian, your thoughts. >> gillian: is set on the last block that he should have been on the call, the core component of his duty, it is his responsibility after this call to make sure whatever policy they discussed and agreed to is implemented. he runs the state department. he runs a diplomatic corps. this is what enables him to do his job. he probably did not speak at all on the phone call. he probably listened in as did the ukrainian foreign minister, probably. this is how foreign policy gets coordinated behind the scenes. you have the two foreign leaders and they say all these great things in a group to all of these things, but somebody has to make sure that that gets carried out. that would've been secretary pompeo. >> david: which everything that gillian just said, as far as i know, she knows a lot better than i do, because she was there. brings out the points that democrats are grasping for straws. just to put it in context, mueller gave them nothing impeachable.

and the ukrainian phone call appears is not to leading to impeachment as easily as they thought it would. so they are grasping for anything that they can get to get to some impeachable offense, and frankly, i think that american voters are seeing what is going on, that it is this sort of blind search for something that is impeachable. and they keep grabbing error. >> capri: just want to turn for a minute about impeachment versus questions about the conduct or not just ethics, but the priorities of president trump. i think that we wanted to actually, and we should be focusing on beating president trump through an election process, there are number of things that we can talk about here. for example, why is it president trump's priority to talk about and ask a foreign leader about what the situation is with joe biden. i did my graduate work on sustainable democratization, a

benda crimea, i've been to -- i've spent a lot of time in this organization, and they have ukraine at the top of the list for years of corruption. if he is concerned about this, this call should have been on those things, and democrats should say, where your priorities, president trump quotes him? investigate all they want. >> gillian: it is a policy disagreement. >> capri: i think it would be more effective and people in the american public -- >> harris: you cannot impeach him for a policy difference, you know what the end game is with members of your party. >> capri: there are serious questions here about conduct. >> harris: you have issues among the base? >> capri: the base does not make up the country. >> harris: 100% correct. they are keeping an eye on the white house and where we expect to see the impeachment push. we will get to it when we have

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>> harris: we are keeping an eye on the situation inside the white house where we expect to hear from them president at any moment. we know some of what he is telling reporters. he is referring to the house intel chair adam schiff as shifty schiff, and shifty shift. and he said the conversation he had when asked about the conversation, perfect conversation, you people should be ashamed. even some republicans are concerned that threats against the whistle-blower at what you are making. he said i don't care. i think whistle-blower should be

protected if a whistle-blower is legitimate. and being described as reporters in the room as feisty and combative. >> melissa: i mean, come on. >> harris: let's say we should watch it while it happens and keep all of that out, and you can make your own determination about that sort of thing. i'm giving you the words. as we can show you that inside the white house we will bring it to you. meanwhile, this as we are learning, some red states and the democrats. the impeachment process may spin out of control. and destroy any chance other party may have a winning back the majority next year. telling fox news joe manchin in montana have made their concerns known loudly to senator chuck schumer, they are warning against having a left wing of the party hijack the process with a "kitchen sink" of complaints against president trump, instead, they urge laser focus on the ukraine controversy.

boy, you know, this is kind of what you have been saying. but democrats always say that they can chew gum and walk at the same time. they can do it all. speak on speaker pelosi did try to make this point when she and chairman schiff had that press conference leading with we want to talk about prescription drugs, or -- >> harris: oh, please. >> capri: that is the spin. i get they are saying, here we are. maybe if we had adam schiff show up, we would get coverage on some other things. that being said, i think that they are right, i don't believe he is on the ballot to this cycle, i'm not sure if tester is out of montana, but regardless, they make some good points that the american public because of what we have endured with the mueller investigation is very leary, and what i've been saying this entire show and in the last week about this impeachment inquiry stuff is that we need -- we have lost, we have been crying wolf for too long, and now something very serious has

come up that involves the foreign leader and a potential questionable conduct, something that we have good credibility to go after, but we don't have the credibility amongst the american public, because they think everything is politically charged because of previous actions. >> harris: we need to have a camera on david essman while you talk. that is a movie right there. >> melissa: part of it as it is so incredibly annoying when people say things that are stupidly untrue when nancy pelosi said, why would we not be able to work together through all of this? as if i am planning to murder tomorrow, why can't we have lunch today? >> david: what i was thinking when you were talking was the reason that they are not focusing like a laser beam on ukraine is because of joe biden. because this does so much damage to his campaign. i was talking to robert torricelli, the former senator from new york, who yesterday democrat who yesterday was saying that this takes joe biden

out of the race. there are a lot of democrats who are saying -- >> capri: i don't think that it impacts the primary, but it will impact the general. >> david: there are a lot of democrats who think that it takes him out of the primary himself, and not just firing the prosecutor, but he was trying to direct u.s. aid to ukraine specifically to the gas companies that his son was going to deal with. >> harris: i'm going to throw in one word allegedly. i'm going to throw that in, because -- >> david: that is on the record. i went back -- i went back to the record, and in 2014 -- >> harris: and the democrats should use that word towards the republicans. >> david: it is true that joe biden was calling for u.s. aid for the gas industry in ukraine specifically while his son was on the board of the biggest gas company in ukraine. >> harris: that's not exactly what you said.

>> gillian: you are linking to words together. what i was thinking when capri was talking was the senates, and through all of this, and the mass has not changed in the senate, there is not one senator that is backing the impeachment on the republican side, there is not a single senator that is back during lament backing that inquiry, that something that nancy pelosi showed recognition of and her remarks. a lot of fiery rhetoric from her and schiff, but at the same time she was hedging a little bit, i wrote down a couple of things that she said. she said reminder to everybody in the caucus that this is an inquiry only. we have to give the president a chance to explain himself. that was as close as she is going to come to like a due process. she also said that they have to be prayerful. >> melissa: and as a religious person who actually prays, i found that irritating. >> capri: it is not a unifying

thing and nobody should be joyful, she is trying to -- >> melissa: but being prayerful of impeachment? >> harris: issue trying to talk to members of your party like rashida tlaib who is talking about the mf t-shirts, because i'm being being serious. the joy ride through the forest is what she is fighting against. that got them in trouble before the mueller findings came out to. it was like cirque du soleil, and all of a sudden the facts come out, and oh, boy. you can see her guarding against it. >> capri: this is why we can't put the cart before the horse, we made the mistake of being too ready, and now paying the price, when we have an opportunity to dive into something that is questionable behavior. >> david: you saw the woman with multiple personalities, i was getting that impression, it was supposed to be one body speaking as one, but you listen to nancy pelosi and you heard

pullback, then you get schiff. >> melissa: next time he does a movie reference. moving on. >> harris: meanwhile, as we are awaiting a word from the president, politico is reporting that there is growing alarm among some republicans over how the white house is responding to the democrats impeachment push and what they say as a lack of urgency, all as a new poll shows a rise in voters favoring impeachment. first of all, david, i want to talk about who those voters are, because some of the polling is independents. why do you think that is? >> david: we don't have details yet, we had a similar thing happen right before the mueller stuff came out, there was a rising call for impeachment as democrats were saying that he was going to find something impeachable. mueller came out with no recommendation of impeachment specifically, nothing on collusion, and then you had this dramatic reversal in the polls where you had like 67 percent

against the idea of impeachment, that held until this came out, i think once the details begin to pour out again, these polls were from a week ago. and every day you get to different new cycle, so these people were polled during the time, and there was still a lot of questions, what the heck was going on, as we find out more about the phone call and the disconnect between the transcript and what the whistle-blower said in all kinds of stuff, i think that they may change. you have to watch them very carefully. both democrats and republicans say that the only one that matters is the one on election day. >> harris: i want to shoot this out here, we are within a two-minute warning, you know, melissa, what david was talking about in terms of every day the polling changes, there is been a consistent uptick, but on the flip side, all that money that the g.o.p. has, rnc chairwoman telling me that it has been

million dollars ever since this kind of got going with the pdf that you can get online of the whistle-blower complaint. >> melissa: speak to us all thac interview at 1:00 p.m., and they do your show every day. another great factoid that i picked up from one of your guests was the idea that every time he puts together a rally around one of these things you look at all of the people in the audience, it's not about people showing up and shouting, that they had to give all of their information, their email in in order to get into the rally that he is building this building this enormous database. people willing to give $5, $10 without question, and he is just building this tremendous group, and a lot of that excitement that gets you to go out there in the street and give your information and give five or $10 and do it again and again comes from impeachment. >> harris: that's what chairwoman mcdaniel was saying, like this is a very small donation type of situatio

situation. the last time we saw a trend like that was barack obama, him to do it so well at the time. so impeachment right now for the money working for the g.o.p. and the president of the united states. he is in right now with the president of finland, and we were told that reporters were going into the oval a short time ago, so we knew what we are about to watch together was coming. we will watch it now. the president in the united states inside the white house. >> president trump: we have gotten to know each other well, the president of finland, discussing trade and military and purchases and a lot of different very exciting events. so we will have a long time together today. we will then be having lunch. i think that we will see the media afterwards, and say a few words, but it is an honor, mr. president, to have us with the with us. >> thank you, i am waiting for our discussions.

>> president trump: yes, a man of few words and he gets it done. that's what i like about him, okay, thank you all very much. >> reporter: is the whistle-blower in danger? >> president trump: the whistle-blower is very inaccurate, writing a report on the conversation that i had with the president of the ukraine. in the conversation was perfect. it could not have been nicer, as are rick scott and many of the senators talking about, and the congressman talking about it, not a thing wrong, unless you heard the adam schiff version where he made up my conversation. he actually made it up, it should be criminal, it should be treasonous. he made it up, every word of it made up, and read to congress as though i said it, and i will tell you what, he should be forced to resign from congress. adam schiff, he is a lowlife, he should be forced to resign. he took a perfect conversation, realized that he could not read it to congress, because it was a very nice conversation. i knew that many people were on

the phone. not only many people, but we had stenographers on the phone taking it down word for word. he took that conversation, which was perfect and he said, i can't read this, so he made up a conversation and he reported it and set it to congress and to the american people. and it was horrible what he said. and that was supposed to be coming for me. but it was all fabricated. he should resign from office in disgrace, and they should look at him for treason, because he is making up the words of the president of the united states. not only words, but the meaning, and it is a disgrace. it should not be allowed to have been. >> reporter: [indistinguishable question] >> president trump: no, no, he did not say that. he found everything to be normal, he is a good man, joe, and he founded to be very normal. i saw schiff trying to go

through, we don't call him shifty schiff for nothing, he is a shifty dishonest guy who was critical of one of the great secretary of state's graduated number one in his class at west point, graduated top of the last at harvard law school. the most honorable person, mike pompeo, and this guy was negative on mike pompeo. he can't, there's an expression, he could not carry his blank strap, i won't say it, because they will say it was so terrible to stay, but he could not carry his blank strap, do you understand that? so you deal with bad people, and i watched china over the last few days and i watch some of these other countries build up, build up, and we build up more than any of them because of me, but no help due to the democrats who are a disaster. they are the do- do-nothing-democrats. they just want to try to win the election in 2020, so they come up with this impeachment

nonsense, and everybody knows, the conversation, all based on one phone call that i had where i am talking to the president of ukraine, you will hear from our ambassadors, you will hear from some of the folks that know all about the call, why it was set up, and everything else. it is perfect. the call was perfect. lindsey graham said i did not know that you could be so nice, there was no quid pro quo, the only reason i put that out to come and i did it with the approval of the ukraine, otherwise i could not have done it is because the whistle-blower was so dishonest. the whistle-blower said terrible things about the call, but he then found out that he was secondhand and third hand, he did not know that i was on the call, these are bad people. these are dishonest people. when the american people find out what happened, it will be a great day. and you know what, we have to go back to building our country, because 90 nam percent of nancy pelosi's time is spent on this, she should worry about

lowering the price of drugs that i've done, but it is hard to do without the help of congress. about creating border security, which i have done. we now have hundreds of miles of wall under construction on the southern border. she should worry about infrastructure, she should worry about the usmca. she is not doing it. i just saw a part of the press conference before the president, i'm sorry to bother you, because we have other things to talk about. but i will tell you, i just watched, she says all drug prices, well, she has been trying to get drug prices down for how long? for years, she should focus on her own district. you see what is happening to her district? we call it tent city, it is terrible. we just sent a violation to the city of san francisco. unsafe water, unsafe conditions, environmental, epa, our epa, doing a great job at sending nancy pelosi with all of the talk about epa, there are needles and drugs all over the

street, there are tens, there are people that are dying in squalor, in the best location, and san francisco. it used to be a great city. now you have to see what has happened to san francisco. you have to see what the democrats have allowed to happen as an example, what they have allowed to happen, just take a look. to los angeles, great cities. one other thing, yesterday, as you know. i was sued by the governor gavin newsom, he is another beauty. i was sued by him. a do nothing. sued by him so that i cannot get on the ballot in the state of california. it was a massive story. the biggest story, mr. president, headlines all over the place, trump get sued by this do-nothing governor in california. it was big. here's what happened, yesterday i won the case. very convincingly. a very tough smart highly

respected judge. not a trump person at all, not appointed by trump, appointed by what you called the opposition, came out with a scathing and tough opinion, i won the case. i did not see one story that i won that case from the fake news. i did not see steve write it. i did not see you write it, i did not see anybody, so let me just tell you just to finish, nancy pelosi and shifty schiff, who should reassign in disgrace, by the way, and jerry nadler, and all of them, it is a disgrace to what is going on. and we should be focused on making america great again and keeping america great, because that's what we have to do. when i look at that parade with military and millions of people and everything else, we better get smart, we better start focusing on the right things. because what they did with this nonsense, think of it. you have a perfect, i mean

perfect conversation with a president of another country, ukraine in this case. and they try and say, oh, let's impeach him. they have been trying to impeach me from the day i got elected. i've been going through this for three years. they've been trying to impeach me from the day i got elected. and you know what, they failed. and this is the easiest one of all. because this one is based on one conversation. what about obama's conversation with the president of russia? where he says, hey, hey, tell vlad i will talk to them after the election is over, nobody reports that, right? that is stuff that you should report, but you people should be ashamed of yourselves. we have the most dishonest media that you can imagine, and you should be ashamed of yourself. okay, i think i have answered most of your questions? >> what can you learn from

finland, mr. president ? >> president trump: you got rid of nancy pelosi and shifty schiff. finland is a happy country, he has a happy leader too. no republicans have raised concerns. >> reporter: do you think the whistle-blower should be protected? >> president trump: i think the whistle-blower should be protected if the whistle-blower is legitimate. but if the whistle-blower makes a big report on the conversation that i had with the president of ukraine and it was a great conversation, we talked mostly about congratulations on your win. we talked about corruption, and what's really referring mostly to 2016, because what the democrats did in 2016 was corrupt. let's see what happens, they are more concerned with that than they are with me and impeachment. they are trying to hide what may be his coming. i let our great -- if you look, i will let our great

law enforcement take care of it. okay? attorney general barr is working on it, and i hope that he is working on it, because what happened in 2016 is a disgrace to this country. and they are more worried about that. if they know that they are guilty as hell. >> reporter: is a whistle-blower is illegitimate if they are reporting -- >> president trump: are you ready? i heard the whistle-blower's report from you people. and how bad it was about just the simple conversation. by the way, this whole thing revolves around a simple conversation. and if you remember at the beginning, it was quid pro quo. that's all you heard about. and i think you said seven or eight times, in other words, you are going to do that or we will not give you money. i never said it. but when they heard these horrible stories come out, i had no choice but to release a conversation, which i hate to do and i hope i don't have to do it

again, with the leader of a country. i asked a certain person to call up a certain person to get permission to do it, otherwise i would not have been able to do it. and i appreciate ukraine for allowing us to release the conversation. it did not hurt them, if anything, it help them, because it was an innocent conversation. but when whistle-blower takes that nice -- lindsey graham said i never knew you were that nice in person. >> you never asked them for anything, you are really, really nice. he never knew that i was so nice. there was a perfect conversation. i heard rick scott today say that there was a perfect conversation. how can they impeach him on that conversation? he is a very smart guy from florida. rick scott. he said that was a perfect conversation. but the whistle-blower wrote not that conversation. he wrote a vicious conversation. in other words he either got it

totally wrong, made it up, or the person giving the information to the whistle-blower was dishonest. in this country has to find out who that was, because that person is a spy in my opinion. so when a whistle-blower purposely or not give something that is totally erroneous, here's where i fooled him, they never thought i would release the conversation. they never thought in a million years that i would release the conversation. when little adam schiff saw the text, when he read it, he could not believe it. when nancy pelosi who worked a day early, nancy pelosi called for essentially impeachment, let's impeach the president before she saw the transcript, and this is a word for word transcript of the conversation taken by talented stenographers. when she saw that, i heard, she went crazy. she said, we can't impeach him with this conversation, that's a

great conversation. she went by the whistle-blower, and the whistle-blower was so bad, i would even think about it. but here's what happened, the whistle-blower was wrong. the only thing that matters is the transcript of the actual conversation that i had with the president of ukraine, it was perfect. we are looking at congratulations, we are looking at doing things together. and what are we looking at? we are looking at corruption. and, i believe in 1999, there was a corruption act, bill passed beside both countries where i have a duty to report corruption. let me tell you something, biden's son is corrupt, and biden is corrupt. and i would rather run against biden then almost any other candidates, and i think that they are all week, but i think that biden has never been a smart guy, and he is less smart now than he ever was. thank you very much. thank you.

thank you. let me do that again. that is a fair question. so this morning, and last night, my comms people came to me. listen to this one, president. i'm glad that they are interested in finland, i am interested in finland much more, but my comms people came to me and said, sir, there is a book or something being written, written by "the washington post" people, so you know it is inaccurate and probably a fraud, so two reporters, and they said president trump started screaming, ranting, raving that on the southern border, where we are right now building a tremendous wall, it is unbelievable what is going up, army engineers, we are doing a lot, we will soon have over 100 miles under construction completed, and we will end up with 400 or 500 miles, are you ready, that i wanted a wall, but i wanted a moat, whatever it is,

a moat, and in the moat, i wanted alligators and snakes, and i wanted the wall to be a fence, and i wanted to be electrified, and i wanted sharp spikes at the top, so it would go piercing through their skin is somewhat the way they said it, skin piercing spikes. but i want that whole wall to be electrocuted, and sir, you never said that, they came to me, the comms people yesterday, and they said did you say this? i said, why are you asking that stupid question? because the fake news media is saying that you said this in a book. i said what book? and they said "washington post," and i said, obviously it is fake, because almost everything "the washington post" does is fake it, it is a fake newspaper, owned by a rich guy for the purpose of giving him power in washington. it is a lobbyist, it is the

lobbyist "washington post" for amazon, and you should be ashamed of himself, because what they do to his reputation, it's probably no good anyway, but what they do with "the washington post" is a disgrace. so these two reporters wrote this book and they said that i want a moat with alligators, snakes, electrified fences so that people get electrocuted if they so much as touch the fence and spikes on top. never said it, never thought of it, and i put out something on social media today, i said, i am tough on the border, but not that tough. okay, it was a lie, u.s. the question. it was a total lie, it was corrupt reporting. okay? i don't even use fake anymore, i called the fake news now corrupt, because fake is not tough enough. and i'm the one that came up with the term, i am very proud of it, but i'm going to switch it to lawfully to corrupt news, because the media, not everybody, we have some great reporters and journalists, but much of it is corrupt. you have corrupt media in this country. and it truly is the enemy of the

people. thank you very much. thank you. thank you. >> melissa: that is the president in the oval office with the president of the republic of finland going off on a number of topics in front of reporters. i mean boy, oh, boy, there was a lot. touching on everything from the whistle-blower to the news conference that adam schiff and nancy pelosi had before this. we'll bring it down to the couch, let my friends -- we will just go to you though most. i heard about the perfect conversation many, many times. >> david: you heard about that in the attacks, i think that there is a phrase he will hear a lot of from the president. but who are you going to believe, you know that phrase, who are you going to believe? a fake media or me? are you going to believe the

democrats, or you going to believe me? are you going to believe the rumor mill, the beltway, or me in the transcripts? >> melissa: did he say who are you going to believe? >> david: he did not, but that is the phrase. and i think criticizing "the washington post" is not bad, they have been caught several times with the news that did not turn out to be true, the dni, mr. maguire that he was going to resign as a result of the conversation. of course he said that that was absolutely not true. in a number of stories that just in the past week have turned out to not to be true. the australian ambassador, the stuff that was wrong in "the new york times" story that came out over the weekend. so again, who are you going to believe? them or me? that is the trumpian way now. >> capri: what stood out to me was a whole host of things, he was proud that he coined the phrase fake news media, and now wants to change it into corrupt news media, we have gotten used

to president trump giving everyone name sand creating, -- what i found here is that this was emblematic of the fact that the country is losing faith and its institutions. losing faith in its government, losing faith in the fourth estate to being the press, because it is this concept of who are you going to believe, us versus them, and president trump is contributing to the questions that people have about -- >> melissa: i have to stop you right there, because he points out a lot of reports that have been printed that were not true. and if you look at, i've heard dana perino talk about the fact that something that would come out that was patently not true, and they would push back, but there was never a retraction, "the new york times" never came out and took things back. just before a lot of that is desperation of trying to write something in the new cycle as well. >> melissa: okay, but it is not being fast, it is being correct, when you print things

that are not true -- and gillian, let me ask you. >> capri: but it was probably not a great conversation either. >> melissa: when he said that was a word for word transcript, that jumped out, because you are someone that knows very closely how these things are done. >> gillian: so, different takes here -- the ground truth, the bottom, the common denominator is that several transcribers from the situation room listened into this conversation and scenario and wrote down what they heard in real time as the president and as the president were seeing it, they did not capture every um and ah and repeat of a phrase, but they have to capture the substance of what is said. it is not as everybody is jumping to point out, it is not a verbatim transcript, but it is as close to -- it is not a summary either. it is as close to a verbatim

transcript as we are likely to see. the white house does not confirm with some in the media are reporting, which is that there are these new ai programs to audio record. sources that i have spoken to have all shot that down. it is up to the white house if they are doing that now, and they are going to put that out there, i don't know. that was not the case in the bush administration, the w bush administration or the obama administration. white house calling them a moratorium on any presidential calls after the watergate scandal. >> melissa: overall tone very angry, very feisty. >> david: i think he feels he is winning. we were talking about that before, if you are a foreign leader, it is kind of tough. >> gillian: you can't discuss any of your issues that you came to talk about. >> david: the sense is that he feels like he is winning. he thinks he has a jump on the media, that he has a jump on the democrats by releasing the

information that he has to show discrepancies and so forth, that is just my sense here. we were talking about his speech at the u.n., which was very low-key, and then he gave a press or after that wednesday, and he did seem to be down. i think that he has regained his energy someone. >> melissa: he seemed angry, i would say defensive as well, but i don't know, that is all in the eye of the beholder how you see that coming can get inside the president's head on these thing things. what do you think, so at the end, he was spending a lot of time on a book that is coming out that claims that he said something. >> capri: snakes and alligators. >> melissa: and the comms team came to him, that does keep going down this line of things that coming you talk about discrediting the institutions and wonder how much of the institutions are discrediting themselves? >> capri: i will not sit here and defend the media at large, they have issues too, but this is the president of the

united states, that is saying things about blank straps in the oval office and giving nicknames to members of congress. this is unbecoming behavior that is distracting from the governing of our nation. i have been critical of the democrats first during the pot too. but enough is enough. >> melissa: the plastic wrap has been ripped off the presidency and everything else. we know that, everybody has gone to this level where they are for slinging the mud and saying the names of these things. >> gillian: there was one moment of statesmanship and diplomacy, which is when the president looked at to the president of finland and said, you know, thanks to ukraine for agreeing to let us release the transcript in the first place, that was incredibly important, because it is somebody who cares about the national security issues, i have watched all of this worried that this will be the norm in foreign leaders would not be candid with president trump, so i think it is important to make it very clear if we are going to do this, it will be by mutual agreement.

>> melissa: point, he did and of the people. so there you go. anyway, thank you to david asma david asman. >> david: thank you very much. >> melissa: will be back in easton tomorrow. here's harris. >> harris: fast-moving developments in the impeachment fight that is roiling washington, d.c. in this hour of "outnumbered overtime" we are awaiting more remarks from president trump during a joint news conference with the finnish president. a short time ago the president unleashed on democrat impeachment inquiry, calling adam schiff to resign for what he says is the false retelling of his phone conversation with the ukrainian. the president also hits back on democratic claims that he is unfairly targeting the whistle-blower. watch. >> i think a whistle-blower should be protected. if the whistle-blower is legitimate. but the democrats in 2016, what they did was corrupt.