half years, without any evidence that any single vote was change changed. >> i don't think it's constructive for their party. democrats should say they should have been differently this time. thank you very much. that's "the story." ♪ >> tucker: good evening, and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight. when you listen to nancy pelosi tell it, impeaching the president is the last thing she ever wanted to do. she hadn't even considered it really. until the day that the news of trump's norm shattering phone call with the president of ukraine emerged in the public view. it was at that point impeachment became entirely inevitable as a patriotic american and person of deep and impassioned, nancy pelosi had no choice at that point, the die was cast. she had to remove the president from office immediately.

that's nancy pelosi's story. we don't read minds on the show, so we can tell you if it's true or not. what we can say with absolute triple certainty is that permanent washington has been thinking about impeaching donald trump for an awfully long time. in fact, before he was even elected president, if you can imagine that, they were thinking about impeaching him. considering the following clip, from a woman called emily farkas. an obama appointee at the justice department. she led believe it or not the ukraine policy. also an enthusiastic supporter of the hillary clinton 2016 campaign. farkas appeared at a panel discussion which thankfully for us was videotaped. somebody asked farkas who she thought would win the election. here's what she said. >> when you have a strong system of checks and balances and actually if donald trump were elected, i think he would be impeached pretty quickly or somebody else would have to take

over governments. i'm not even joking. >> tucker: if trump were ever to get elected, not likely to happen she said, he would be impeached. to be clear, we are not alleging that evelyn farkas is part of a conspiracy. conspiracy suggest secrecy, and with farkas and what the national security state that was not secret, they all bragged about it. they all bragged about it from day one. yes, donald trump is vulgar, but that's nothing with why they hated him. they disagreed with trump profoundly and disagreed with most american voters about the issues, particularly on the question of russia but on the question of middle eastern wars. more than anything, this is the key, they couldn't control what donald trump said or did. nobody can. and that was the unforgivable crime. and from day one, they plan to take him out, this ukraine nonsense is the latest pretext for doing that. there have been a lot of them. russia, stormy daniels, fill-in the blank blank.

it's like mad libs. a story in "the new york times" reveals every bit as much that this is just another pretext. it turns out that house intel committee chairman adam schiff knew about the whistle-blower complaint before it was even filed. in fact, he orchestrated the story in secret long before you and i or anyone else in the country heard that. the so-called whistle-blower contacted sheriff's office was recommended a lawyer for him or her. schiff later lied brazenly. claim his office never spoke to the ci employee directly. had to know that admitting that would undermine the story and impeachment for himself. tonight there are credible rumors that adam schiff himself planted today's bombshell in "the new york times" story. he knew it would come out and he wanted the most of it pathetic possible coverage. that's the line. we can confirm that. other way, the story this morning greatly damages the great ability of the claims schiff and others are making.

they been waiting for this moment three years no matter what the story was. john daniel davidson, political editor of "the federalist" joins us tonight. it seems shocking to me in fact that adam schiff knew about the complaint before it was compiled. what does it tell us about the story? >> it tells us that if there is collusion going on, it's collusion between the intelligence committee chair and the whistle-blower, and the democrats in congress who are pushing for impeachment. this is a really serious for elevation we found out today. not only did the whistle-blower likely violate federal law, but it really cast schiff's role in a whole new light. there were a lot of people who had said from the get-go that it looked like the whistle-blower was not acting along and now we know he wasn't. we get advice from the chair of the house of judiciary committee. >> tucker: he was asked by a

panel on the morning show, did you talk to the whistle-blower. he looked in the camera inside, no, my office is not spoke to the whistle-blower directly. if this story is correct, that was a lie. >> tucker: >> yeah, that was a lie. there's no way beyond that now. adam schiff light on camera on national television about this but what you will hear the media from this, why are you so concerned about this lie from adam schiff when the real substance, ignore the substance of the allegations against trump and the ukraine phone call, that weird thing about it is there is no cover up here, there is no secret mueller probe or secret dossier that no one has seen. everyone can see the transcript of the phone call. everyone can see the complaint itself that the whistle-blower letter, the charges the little blower brought forward you have democrats and their courtesans in the media telling the american people, don't believe what you can read with

your own eyes, believe us that it's an impeachable offense, it's not going to fly this time. not after two years with the mueller probe, not after everything else. people can read and see for themselves what's going on. speak to 1 >> tucker: we are being told by the in fake news that -- this is a sincere question. why would you if you wanted to file a whistle-blower complaint, why would you call adam schiff first? that suggest your motive is political. >> one of the things is that the whistle-blower did not like the way his complaint was being handled by the cia, didn't like the way it was being handled internally. in order to speed the process along and make it go the way he wanted it to go, he reached out to the house intelligence committee. but it says, we had early indications of this, that the motive here is not entirely pure

and is probably political, and in fact -- this came out early on, the suspicion that the whistle-blower had a political bias towards one of trump 2020 challengers. >> tucker: i think on this show we spent a full year taking it seriously and pretending to take it seriously out of a sense of beautiful obligation because adults were yelling about it before we said this is crap, this is purely political, they made it up, it's a whole expand how long should we wait? >> i don't think we should wait at all. i think we should expose it as a political farce it is. democrats broadcasting that it's a criminal hit job all over the place. nancy pelosi's weird press conference where she was saying that the trump white house should work with house democrats on legislation even as they move forward with their impeachment probe was just strange. adam schiff's threats and

intimidation of state department employees saying that they don't appear before his committee, it'll be taken as evidence that the accusations against trump are true. meanwhile, we have no formal vote for impeachment inquiry. republicans in the house apparently have no role at all in the impeachment investigation. it's an entirely partisan affair. i do not think it's too soon to call this for what it is, that it's a political hit job. >> tucker: yes. republicans and conservatives have a way of being very literal and they play around for too long. let's stop tonight, actually. john, great to see you tonight. thanks. speak of things. >> tucker: official impeachment proceedings, despite what they are telling you, have not begun yet. but democrats have reached the sentencing phase quoting that impeachment is not good 4. he needs to be imprisoned and placed in solitary confinement. imprisoned and left to die alone in a cell. maxine waters believes that's the penalty for disagreeing with

her. probably won't be surprised to learn that waters once cheered on a race riot. she's that kind of person. senator kamala harris doesn't think donald trump ought to be allowed to speak. in a formal letter written to twitter yesterday, the senator demanded that big tech silence the president social media account. you would think that journalists who are the guardians of the first amendment might see harris' attack for what it is, a move against free speech. but no, professional dumb person tara swisher wrote a column endorsing the idea. a journalist endorsing shutting down speech. not surprised, though. the modern left, winning elections is not really the point. they want to see their opponents crushed. they want to see them disarmed, censored, silenced, destroyed, removed by impeachment without an election. if that all sounds like fascism, keep in mind the left considers you a fascist. you are the fascist!

because as always, whatever they are guilty of, they immediately accuse you of doing. that's always true. put that on your friends and live by it. here's just one example. here are two msnbc guests, one of them as a "washington post" reporter, believe it or not. claims that trump supporters would like to topple democracy by violence. watch. >> this has been interpreted as perhaps the president affirming or encouraging those who feel victimized and disrespected to rise up and act out and push back, even violently by any means necessary. >> i'm concerned that if the president continues his rhetoric, it might start drawing people to washington. might start drawing heavily armed people to the national mall. highly possible of a scenario where president trump simply refuses to accept the will of the senate or the electorate in 2020 and begins to ask his supporters to calm rally to his

side. >> tucker: i think that guy is a professor at southern methodist university. kind of a nice college in dallas. a lot of very rich people send their kids there and send money there. if you are sending money to southern methodist, smu, and you see that guy on tv with a backdrop with your school letters on it, making claims that are totally wild and reckless and dumb and not backed up at all with data and facts, claiming that trump is planning a violent coup against democracy. if they are using your school to do that, wouldn't you think to yourself, why am i sending so much money to southern methodist university? that's what i would think. that's what he said. he said trump would refuse to accept the will of the electorate. that's the claim from the very same people who have refused to accept the last election, the same people who are currently working to short-circuit the next election. make you very nervous, they are

talking about heavily armed partisans on the national mall. very nervous. robert schiff is a spokesman for turning point usa. he joins us next. is it ever not true that whatever it is they are doing, they are accusing you of doing? >> oh, absolutely. the left will tell you all the time that fascism is coming to america. fascism is already here because of the president. when the reality is that fascism is already here and they are the ones who are perpetrating it. in new york city, right where i'm talking to you from right now, you can be fined up to age of $50,000 for calling somebody an illegal alien. he can be fined up to $250,000 for "mission during somebody." they are the ones who are always culprit. >> tucker: it should make you nervous listening to someone because they are describing their own desires because they talk about what they believe you are doing. >> they are. what i would like to push back on is this idea that everybody who voted for the president or

everybody who supports president donald trump is some sort of unhinged person that is going to take over the national mall and start a new civil war? if he's not reelected? it's completely absurd. i would challenge every single person who said that from "the washington post" reported to the person from the university who actually go to a real trump rally. to meet these people in real life. these are patriotic, law-abiding citizens of all colors, by the way, to insinuate that they would bring the civil war to america because they don't like the results of the election is completely insane to me. what they have done over the past few years is they have demonized people who have voted for the president. they have demonized people on the right. they have demonized conservatives to obscure obfuscate the fact they have no new ideas and aren't doing anything for the american people. >> tucker: there's a huge swath of america whose life the client down the expectancy is declining. there was tend to be trump and voters and being attacked?

in the normal world, rich people would be concerned about the people below them. in our world, they are telling them, shut up and go die. >> yes. basically what they are telling them is to shut up and go die and also in the case of kamala harris, they are literally trying to deplatform people. a conservative with a pretty high social media following, i have been the platforms myself. i have been pushed aside via social media. i think there's a lot of things that people want to do the conservatives and the fact that somebody like "the new york times" is publishing something that is advocating for the leader of the free world to be d platform to from twitter is pretty outrageous to me. the reason why they are so mad -- no, really. that's not mine, tucker -- >> she can barely speak english and they gave her a column? >> they are handing out columns. >> tucker: i want one now! if tara swisher can have one...

speak of the scary thing about that is they want to d platform the leader of the free world because he can use twitter bettr than they can. the rights can meme better than the left and we are better at social media than they are. >> tucker: good to see you. elizabeth warren's big bet 42020 is americans want to help foreigners more than they can fix their own country. their idea quickly well for for every we'll be right back. devices are like doorways

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alexandria ocasio-cortez spent an awful lot of time on social media, but somehow she finds extra time between takingf drinking chai latte or whatever to think up new things things to do to america. recently she's proposed legislation to expand welfare benefits to everyone. that includes all illegal immigrants without any kind of restrictions. that's a far out idea, but it has at least one very powerful supporter. democratic presidential front-runner elizabeth warren in massachusetts. she tweeted that the plan was a "big structural change," a complement on the left, that would fix america's problems. she's now pledging to let anyone on earth who wants to immediately go to welfare, and immediately get free health car health care. an investigative reporter for "the "washington examiner"," and an excellent reporter. am i misstating any of this? >> no, that's exactly what it

does. it's not just welfare for illegal immigrants, it's a cohost of other policies that are on these progressive wish lists, another one of them is rent control, nationalize rent control. >> tucker: nationalized rent control. applies to everybody, every town. >> it would apply to everywhere in the country. >> tucker: that's always been a local question. san francisco has it to my new york has it. >> it's because a lot of problems in san francisco. this is one issue that almost all economists agree on which is that rent control is a problem because many of them believe that if down that it actually leads to higher rent prices by driving down the amount of housing that's available. that's something that could become a policy issue for elizabeth warren. >> tucker: places with rent control tend to have high homeless populations. >> yes. there's not a lot of places for people to live -- >> tucker: well, that's a good idea! >> there's not a lot of housing

available. another issue for war and from a policy perspective if she does get to the general election is this welfare for illegal immigrants. there is a cnn poll for july that found that 59% of americans oppose public health care for illegal. and that is something that is included in this aoc including unemployment benefits, and also food stamps. i think that is something that could become a problem if she has to defend that to the public during the general election. >> tucker: has any reasonable person done estimates on what would happen if you said to the rest of the world, we are not going to enforce our borders, we won't make you leave, once you get here you get free health care, free tuition, housing vouchers, food stamps -- >> exactly. that's something that even bernie sanders who people might say it slightly to the left of elizabeth warren doesn't support

because he said, if you support social welfare for everybody, which he does, you have to secure the border. you can't have one or the other because we wouldn't be able to pay for it. that actually differentiates him on this issue from elizabeth warren. >> tucker: he said, correctly by the way, he said that's a koch brothers thing, that's a corporate libertarian idea to level where the value of labor. lower the value of labor. >> i think another part of this too is it shows that aoc has become the main power broker in the democratic party at this point. there was a recent poll that showed that 25% of democratic voters said that they highly value aoc's opinion on who they will support in 2020. that is above hillary clinton. that is a bus pelosi, that's above every democrat figure on the national stage other than

former president obama, clinton, and carter. >> tucker: the amazing thing is she has a lot of plots, venom, and moxie, but she's a moron. you can tell a lot of a politician by what he prioritizes, house democrats would require i.c.e. to create a health record system for illegal immigrants within 90 days. okay. but as of right now, american soldiers and veterans don't have an electronic records a system like that and they won't have one for at least several more years. that disparity caught the attention of men and of congressman mark walker. joins us from north carolina. thank you for joining us. i hope i did not typify that. >> not at all. i heard you and the gas to talk about elizabeth warren's ideals and goals, this is actually happening within the house. last week during the adam schiff show, one of the things snuck under the carpet, if you will,

is this bill. the title is pretty catchy, but what it does is it does force is create an electronic health report >> tucker: what does that mean, electronic health record system for illegals? >> the trump administration has done a great job with a lot of processes speaking of legislative of helping overall veterans care. you said in your intro, it takes several years to get veterans on the health record system, we will force the dhs to do it in 90 days. here's the drama that played out on the house floor that i'd like to share with you. from the house, there was a motion made. okay, keep your bill, keep the electronic health system for the illegals, but could we at least passed a motion that we would

put the veterans first? 212 democrats voted that down and now the bill will go forward. it's absolutely crystal. >> tucker: their response was, could we please put an american military veterans ahead in line of illegal aliens, foreign nationals breaking our laws, and the answer was no, we can't do that? that's racist. >> even though we know it'll take several years for veterans, i've been to the border myself. i've seen baby diapers being changed, formula being mixed. we are going to take this money from the cbp, taken from fema. if you are in a natural disaster area and you are needing that federal funding, we are going to take that from you and redirect it and create a record system for people who are sneaking across the border. that is why that our appreciation for people like you, that even all this impeachment buzz, this is the kind of legislation being passed not by radicals but by the mainstream democrats that are

serving in the united states house. >> tucker: i agree completely. think of all the americans that are being crushed by health insurance bills, really crushed. >> completely right. >> tucker: we are rushing to pay for medical care for people breaking our laws? >> we touched on this a bit earlier. you may look at trump and say, hey, he's wrong, he leads a scorched earth which washington, d.c., needed a little bit of it, but you look at the alternative of this type of crazy legislation being passed in the house as we speak. >> tucker: good point. thanks for being here tonight. bernie sanders was rushed to the hospital for heart surgery today. will he be able to stay in the campaign. if he has to leave, which of his rivals benefits most? sorry to be so blunt about it, but that's politics. plus joe biden has a radical gun-control plan to compete with beto o'rourke. you shouldn't be allowed to protect yourself. can joe biden and his bodyguard?

that's straight ahead.

>> tucker: well, alexandria ocasio-cortez may be the face of the democratic party, but on the very top where the lever of power power czar, in some older people. that fact is having a big affect on the present torres all of a sudden. there are questions about joe biden's fitness for office, saying weird things, now bernie sanders has suspended his campaign after he underwent emergency surgery for blocked arteries today. this is a major development in the race. how will it affect who becomes the democratic nominee. lisa boothe is a senior fellow at independent women's point, frequent guest here tonight. happy to have her here tonight. i want to say this with sincerity, we are of course hoping that senator sanders is okay. of course. that he's back in the race. because we are.

but if he doesn't get back in the race, what does this mean? >> exactly. we sincerely hope he's going to get better. he's a husband and father so we want him to be in good health. this does have a big impact on the race and depending on how big of an impact it has is dependent on how long he is out of the race. look, if you are off the campaign trail when you are facing a very contested in crowded primary field that is clearly not good for your campaign, a particular time where you have been on the decline, look at elizabeth warren in iowa, she is up 7% since june. new hampshire, she's up 8%. the big dates to keep an eye on is october 15th debate because we've seen these debates really help shape the race, so if bernie sanders is out of that debate, particularly at a time where she's pulling on 11% in an iowa caucus and 11% in new hampshire, that's not going to be good for him.

>> tucker: no, it's not. it's interesting we haven't talked about this openly. all of us want to be polite, it's a good impulse, but he's not the only one who is of advanced age in this race, statistically speaking it's tough to pull off a president or campaign, much less running the most powerful country in the world at that age. i guess we are not allowed to say that. i'm 50 and i feel myself slowing down. are we going to have an honest conversation about this at some point and begin pretend that 78 is like 38? >> especially when you have something like elizabeth warren who is younger, more vibrant, who really shares a lot of the same policy positions who is actually been smarter about not painting herself as a socialistr position at a general election and makes her look more electable in the eyes of democratic primary voters and you cannot underestimate the fact -- the iowa caucus and new hampshire primaries are so

vital in any provincial election whether it's republicans or democrats and those states are really geared toward candidates like lee elizabeth warren and bernie sanders, white liberal states. any decline for bernie sanders helps elizabeth warren. we seen in "the des moines register" poll, the caucus goers went forward bernie sanders in 2016, 32% are supporting elizabeth warren right now versus 25% for bernie sanders. she has already been even with bernie sanders in good health and the race, she's already been siphoning off his supporters in both iowa and new hampshire. >> tucker: i think it's -- again, not being mean. >> of course. >> tucker: it's over. lisa boothe, thank you for joining us tonight. well, beto o'rourke is never going to be president of the united states. whatever problems, it's still a basically decent country. it still doesn't mean he won't hang around and annoy normal

people forever, he already has had an effect. he's fortes party to go away laughed, we laughed, on firearms. joe biden has already promised to seize guns from law-abiding americans, basically. >> to gun owners out there who say, a biden administration means they are going to come to my guns, that's right if you have an assault weapons. they should be illegal, period. >> tucker: now biden has released a specifics about his gun-control plan. he said he would ban the so-called assault weapons, doesn't define exactly what that is, and for his current owners of these firearms either to turn them over to the government or register them under the standard currently used for fully automatic weapons, machine guns. that is not biden's only idea. his plan also seeks to drive gun manufacturers out of business, making them liable when their guns are used in crimes, which is insane.

the ice makers are not viable when knives are used in crimes. more frequently than rifles are. ryan, assess this plan, joe biden's gun-control plan. >> do you have enough time, tucker? you mention specific details and he threw a dart at every possible rumor and gun-control proposal he possibly could. it's hard to keep track of them all. i'm starting to think that the, hey, let's ban guns, is the new, i'm going to rehab for scandal rated public figures. weinstein did it, trudeau did it, now biden is doing it. there are tons of proposals, none of them are going to work and do anything to stop violent crime, and some of the three worst, you mentioned, they are going to make manufacturers liable? that's scary. they are may be going to bring back the assault weapons ban and register them on a national firearms list?

and anyone who's guilty of a misdemeanor hate crime can lose their right to possess firearms forever. so manufacture liability -- you know that's absurd. you aren't going to hold bic lighters liable for our sin. doing that to the firearms industry will cripple the industry as we know it and i think that's the plan. >> tucker: anyone who is committed a misdemeanor hate crime -- even i didn't know thaa category, but okay. but loses his right to the second amendment, no longer covered by the second amendment. he is still allowed to vote. you aren't allowed to go deer hunting but you can choose my president. how does that work exactly? >> the people coming up with these rules want votes, that's one reason. i can talk about a potential slippery slope, we shouldn't do that about hate crime because who gets to decide what's a hate crime placement we have a perfect example right now. if biden goes to new york city and calls him an anti-illegal alien, he could lose his rights

to guns forever under his own proposal. it's a scary world. >> tucker: his federally funded bodyguards would be armed with high-capacity magazines. he's upset, that's the point. the people who make these rules literally have no intention of abiding by them at all. they would never give up their right to firearms because that would be scary. >> exactly right. they could never answer the hypocrisy of what's going on. we've talked about this before. when a politician tells you don't need a gun, maybe that's time you actually need the gun. >> tucker: okay. you first. you disarm first. let me ask you. is there anybody in the democratic party who is sticking with the old agreement on guns, which is what's basically the status quo, anybody resisting the radicalism of beto o'rourke and the democrats? >> icy tulsi gabbard has done it. she still coming out against guns. she's made popular on comments

with me, at least, but she's not racing to bring every body to the left as they possibly can. >> tucker: last question. sincerely. do you think any of the proposals that biden outlines would reduce what they are calling gun crime, mass shooting for example? >> not a single one. the assault weapons ban that he championed did nothing to stop crime. we know violent crime was in its highest during the middle of the assault weapons ban and gotten better every day since. i think it's political rhetoric. i think he's making false equivalency like you can't hunt ducks with three shotgun shells but somehow ducks are better protected than children? children can't be hinted? is absolute absurdity. >> not the brightest politician in washington. great to see you tonight. >> thanks for having my back. >> tucker: virginia police officer caught in the legal immigrant breaking the law so

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>> tucker: police officer in the commonwealth of virginia has been suspended from his job. what did he do wrong? he helped the federal government enforce the law. fox news cheese breaking news correspond trace gallagher has more for us. >> a driver who was involved in an accident did not have a driver's license so the responding fairfax police officer followed standing operating procedure and ran him through the dmv database to look for things like criminal

behavior. turns out the driver failed to show up for a deportation hearing and immigrations and customs enforcement issued an immigration warrant. at this point, the suspect completed at least two code violations for the officer verify the warrant, notify the i.c.e. agent listed as a contact and held the man until the agent arrived. fairfax county police chief said the officer deprived the man of his freedom, quoting here that we have trained on this issue a lot. this is the first time we've had a lapse in judgment and the officer is being punished. in fact, as you said, the officer wasn't suspended. former acting i.c.e. director tom holland is baffled. watch him. >> this world is upside down pit when those who illegally enter the country by violation of lawe victims and the ones who enforce the laws are bad guys. >> since 2007, fairfax county virginia has barred police

officers from confirming anyone's immigration status. those accused of crimes are booked into jails and then their immigration statuses are checked. but they still want to cooperate with i.c.e. so the point is moot. by the way, the driver who was held was released a few hours later with an ankle monitor. tucker? >> tucker: remarkable story. trace gallagher, thank you for that. well, increasingly this is a politically divided country if you live here, you know that. people don't simply disagree with one another on the basis of politics, they think people on the other side are evil. friendship are ending. family members disowning each other because they have different views. is there a way out of this? it's bad. everybody knows it's bad. she has a new book out titled "are broken in america: why both sides needs to stop ranting and start lifting." we recently talk to jackie

christman. here's how it went. >> what's the answer to where we are now? >> we have to understand why we are here and a lot of research, we can talk about that as well, but the solution really is to live in communities. right now, 64% of democrats and 55% of republicans have few or no friends in the opposite party. you are no friends. there is no interaction of people from opposite sides. >> tucker: is that a change? >> that's a change. in addition, both sides have pulled apart from the -- there were some overlap, now there is no overlap. when you look at the math on election night, it's all red or blue. that didn't come into effect from the bush gore recount, every time we saw the same math over and over again read the map would change colors between parties, different network would use different colors, but the bush-gore recount was every night we saw a red and blue, right? it's a t now, by clinical party.

that's the glorification really to solve it you have to get involved at the local level. you have to work on problems you care about with anyone from both sides, from both parties. >> tucker: it's interesting why you say that. the local level, what do you mean by that? >> you cannot change national narrative at the national level. we are in washington in quite frankly, we can talk about the death of the news which i talk about in my book, there's a lot of death in use. >> tucker: our viewers are very familiar. >> so there's a lot of that happening. you have to push back and say, that's not news, that's not true. you cannot let untruth hang around. i think at the local louisvillei don't agree with you, but you are not terrible. >> tucker: that's a deep point, no one says that. if you are living your political life and social media, twitter,

facebook for example. if you are debating the supreme court nominations, high level and abstract -- >> you have nothing to do with that. you are in your bed at 3:00 a.m. in the morning texting about whatever. you need to go meet people, make friends from different parties, make a difference in your community. our nation was not billed by one person controlling the national government. our nation -- the whole concept is god gives the right to people, people loaded to the government, the people have to do all the work. we are doing the work. we are sitting down on twitter yelling at people. it's ridiculous. >> tucker: the first step is get the hell out of your bedroom, get off twitter. >> it's one thing promoting about twitter -- but not ranting and raving. i use this analogy in my book, i have a little dog named bunny. bunny is a 20 hound and bonnie calls -- >> tucker: bunny is a dog. >> she barks at cars and

shadows, right. she loves to bark at shadows. i thought that's where we are right now, we are going around bonnie barking and not fixing the world. >> tucker: i'm so glad you wrote this book. thank you. i'm glad you are thinking this. i hope people can hear you because i think everyone is concerned about this and i think we have reason to be. >> absolutely we do. >> tucker: thank you very much. >> thank you for having me around. >> tucker: you quit smoking, give up cookies and mountain dew come up but you still feel guilty. red meat is bad for you. everyone knows that. but isn't actually bad for you? marc siegel's emergency medical segment after the break. (bobby) with your hearing, if you start having a little trouble,

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>> tucker: for years, the usual health goals have been barking at you about red meat.

it may be delicious, they said, but it will kill you. it'll give you heart disease, cancer, basically take you to an early death. now a group of researchers, international group, have contested that advice. they say that our views of red meat in the united states are in fact built on shoddy evidence and if red meat has any negative health effects, it's a small one. dr. marc siegel is the man we go to for the truth of questions like this. he's a fox medical contributor. thank you for coming up. what do you make of this. does this overturn your views on meat? should we feel better about having a stake. >> it changed my views and it made me wonder about all the democratic attacks on our gaseous cattle friends that we actually rely on for meats, for red meat. what this study did -- by the way, it looked at millions of participants in several studies. it was a very strong analysis of multiple studies, and it

concluded that red meat itself, mainly unprocessed red meat, does not correlate with life-threatening heart disease or cancer, except in a very weak tide. this means that i have to relook at red meat and say, wait a minute, it's a good source of protein. for some people there only source of protein, a source of b vitamins, iron, got a lot of healthy ingredients in it. i've got to wonder if we aren't throwing the baby out with the bathwater. i'm thinking it's more a lifestyle thing. maybe we should be eating our steak with a salad or brussels sprouts. the problem is, tucker, too many people if there steak with french fries, a coke. >> tucker: exactly. >> they get a desert and they don't get off the couch. if we can get people to exercise and eat more greens and plans, maybe it's not red meat that's the problem. >> tucker: i agree completely. obviously potatoes and doughnuts will get you, nobody disagrees with that. but why would a species that began as hunter gatherers

have -- why would meats give them cancer? it doesn't make any sense at all. >> i agree, tucker. it's probably the process meats we have to worry about. bacon, sausage, when you add chemicals like nitrates they can correlate with that. i want everyone out there to know how this research done to make these connections. they say to you, what did you eat yesterday? you might not actually tell what you eat. they can miss thousands and millions of people, what did you eat, they observe your response. they don't do what they need to do, give somebody a great hamburger and salad, somebody else a great hamburger and french fries. it might find out it's the french fries that's a problem. shame on you out there who are throwing out all of our great hamburgers. tucker and i are going to have a stake after this. not every day. moderation -- i'm a physician so i don't want people out there to have three stakes a day, but americans tend to have 4-5 servings a week, what these studies are showing is that's

not as egregious as people have been saying. >> tucker: really quick, a theme that has emerged from all the