>> sandra: we will indeed, thank you. a >> bill: the rest of the world as well, we appreciate your viewership on your mobile device, wherever you are watching. >> sandra: we will see you friday. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> harris: fox news alert, the war of words heating up between president trump and 2020 democrat joe biden over the ukraine controversy, the presidents wrapping up about actions as vice president alleging corrupt business dealings involving his son hunter by then. and now publicly calling for another country to investigate the pair. >> china should start an investigation into the bidens, because what happened in china is just about as bad as what happened with ukraine. so i would say that president, if it were me, i would recommend that they sought an

investigation into the bidens. i think that biden is going down, and his whole situation, because now you may very well find that there are many other countries that they have scamme scammed. >> melissa: this after they broke the silence yesterday and took aim at president trump. >> let me make something clear to mr. trump and the special interest funding attacks against me, i'm not going anywhere. you are not going to destroy me. and you are not going to destroy my family. i don't care how much money you spend, mr. president, or how dirty your attacks get. trump knows that there are no truths in the charges against me. none. >> melissa: this is "outnumbered," i am melissa francis coming here today my partner harris faulkner, fox business anchor dagen mcdowell, senate democratic majority leader capri cafaro, and chief national

correspondent ed had running, and he is outnumbered. >> ed: there so much flying around. >> melissa: i'm happy to have you on that couch today, because you have followed so many campaigns, what do you think about the latest that is going on in this one? >> ed: i think an undercover part of this is that the president and rudy giuliani, who i assume was the "hatchet man" that joe biden was yelling out last night. succeeded in getting the stories front and center. joe biden is on the defense command is big push back was i did not do anything wrong, but did not spell any of it out, did not answer why his son was getting $83,000 a month from the energy company, by the way, a lot of people in congress say it was 50,000 a month, it is a lot more than that, he had no experience in ukraine or in energy, so that is on the table. you have then not just the

president rudy giuliani, but michael moore has come out and said, he is this year's hillary. that he has the cloud like the email scandal command is not doing a good job of a addressing it. >> melissa: it is interesting, and to you make the point that we were looking at a story yesterday only 11% of the time when the other news, and i cannot remember exactly what it was, but it was basically mainstream media covered the story about ukraine did they mention joe biden, a new monmouth poll shows that the plurality of voters now believe that the president has a claim that biden pressured ukrainian officials not to investigate his son's business dealings. it is so like the president to double down, and rather than cowering to the charge that he was asking a foreign government to investigate his political rival, instead, his response is, no, we should be investigating corruption at other countries that potentially involve u.s.

officials. and by the way, china is another spot. and to me, that is in much more straightforward story, because here you have his son picking up $1.5 billion in private equity investment with no experience, i could hire goldman sachs, i could hire a black stone, no way, i will hire hunter biden who has no experience. >> dagen: it seems like they were trying to get out ahead of this in the new yorker piece, earlier this year. when in that, there is the discussion of what with from the author with hunter biden about a large diamond that a chinese energy tycoon gave him, because once his wife who he was divorcing at the time, it is said to be worth, as she said in, i think was the divorce filing that it was worth $80,000, and that he was disputing that, but there was a

chinese energy tycoon that gave hunter biden a very large diamond. so there are these issues. i don't mean to get in the weeds with this, but i want to point out in the meantime, and this is momentum that had been already picking up, but elizabeth warren is only trailing joe biden by 2.2 percentage points. in the polls, she is beating him in iowa. in the meantime, they have the sit down with her husband bruce man who was so dreamy and gauzy, this is a tv interview that the camera looked out of focus, and her dog was introduced, bailey to the american people. >> harris: he is on twitter a lot. getting any calls? >> dagen: this lovey-dovey interview with her husband while this is swirling around. >> melissa: this was the question that i just asked, now the president is doubling down on top of ukraine and saying, hey, china, why don't you go and look into this? at my response when we were

watching that was why we just filled out the china thing is even bigger than ukraine, it was the chinese government that gave that $1.5 billion to hunter, so how likely are they to want to investigate they are half the problem. do they really want to look into their own government giving $1.5 billion when ten days after the plane that carried them bac back? >> capri: there is quite a bit of swamp on all fronts, one of the things that came to mind when you look at the president of the united states saying ukraine and china need to step to the plate and investigate, we are dealing with two regimes that are struggling democracy, ukraine that is never really succeeded in finding the footing, but rampant with corruption and oligarchs, trying to put all of the pieces together, and china, we don't need to go into their human rights violations, the fact that they do unspeakable things to some of the religious

minorities, and somehow they have the credibility, we have to believe what they say over the conduct of american individuals? that is not to pass judgment and say that hunter biden is innocent or donald trump is guilty, but i think that the fundamental underpinning that somehow these totalitarian regimes and countries with a history of corruption somehow are the key to figuring out -- >> ed: aren't you missing the point that if china is so bad as you lay out, and i'm sure all of that, why was joe biden's son hunter jumping into bed with them? >> melissa: he is saying, go easy on china, they are not the devils they are being made out to be, what do you think? >> harris: i think that i want to ask you a question about why the democrats don't just acknowledge what is going on with the joe biden as a place to legitimately ask some questions. he said there is no evidence, we

have not heard him refute any one particular thing with no evidence. it is just been this blanket thing saying that the media has no evidence, we may not be the ones who should be investigatin investigating, and a part of may be some professionals on capitol hill who were elected, maybe we all can, but maybe they should too. when you said the word swamp i thought of bill maher, because he said the swampy nest of this should force joe biden out of the 2020 election. and again, a question for democrats, do they feel like they can handle the distraction? i know that you like to say that you can chew and gum and walk e same time, but why did joe biden not have an answer ready? and when he did, he is with peter doocy and that reporter, ask the right questions, yelling at them. he said they never spoke about it, and they did. >> capri: one, i think that

the joe biden campaign is incredibly cautious, and i think it has been in their peril, because they are trying to stay above the fray, and i think the democrats in general tend to be very cautious in primaries a lot of times, and i think that right now it really would be the duty of other primary opponents -- >> harris: of course you say that, because when it comes to impeachment it is nancy pelosi who is quoted as saying that she is going for cautiously impeachment inquiry, because she says that that is the fairer way to do it. >> dagen: one quick thing, the diamond that hunter biden got, he told the author that he did not think it was a bribe, because his dad was not in office. i want to point that out. >> melissa: in the meantime, special envoy to the ukraine, kurt volker being one of the first officials to be questioned as part of house democrats impeachment inquiry, he was mentioned in the whistle-blower report and resign from a state department position one day after it came out. this as republicans are

demanding what they call an equal playing field in the closed-door session. house foreign affairs ranking member michael mccaul, writing in a letter to the chair, i was alarmed to learn less than 24 hours before the first interview is scheduled to start that it will be led by the intelligence committee, and that questioning will be done solely on their staff, we were told that only a single republican professional staffer from the foreign affairs committee will be allowed to attend, while the majority will have two. >> capri: can i say that a lot of times, and i know this from my experience at my level of government that the majority in the minority usually do not have equitable representation. it is commencement to their membership, so just because you have two of the majority in one of the minority -- >> melissa: peter king disagrees with you, saying that other times they been very

judicious to have equal time, exactly equal access, and it troubles me that this is happening behind closed doors. because everybody is going to come out and spin what was said, and on both sides, and i won't know who to believe, because i need to hear with my own ears at this point. >> ed: here's the other thing, kurt volker, may be some democrats licking their chops saying that he is behind closed doors turning on the president, we don't know what he is going to say. >> melissa: we don't know why he quit either. >> ed: he abruptly resigned friday, maybe he disagreed with rudy giuliani who has produced the text message suggesting that he was on board with what rudy giuliani was doing, he contradicted him or not? we don't know. but i think big picture, remember what the democrats were doing yesterday, licking their chops about the inspector general, maybe there's some dirt over there at the state department on secretary mike pompeo, and instead it turned out to be a whole lot of nothing. so you have to be careful, because the democrats are jumping all in on this, and sometimes they are getting ahead of the facts.

>> melissa: we know that the prosecutor, harris, said, rudy giuliani says that he said that he was pressured, we also learn from other reports that the prosecutor under oath in austria said that he was fired for looking into joe biden, but he is not a reliable guide, because he was fired for corruption. >> harris: this is where you and i differ, i am exhausted by the theater that i see, and i do want some of it to happen behind closed doors so that they can get to some of this. this in some instances involves leadership from different countries, and so i want the truth to come out, more words, not fewer on all accounts, and democrats and republicans should come and you know, take a look at that. but they don't. when it becomes public, it is a three-ring circus storing every kind of animal that you can imagine. so i am hopeful that in this private environment they can get the answers to some of these things. but you are great questions.

>> dagen: want to add that fox was told that democrats made concessions and there was equal representation and counsel from the democratic and republican councils in the room for the meeting today. in the kurt volker questioning. >> melissa: that makes me feel good, i am heartened to. virginia police officer who was punished for assisting federal immigration authorities is back on the job, but he had to do before getting reinstated, plus brand-new details on the ukraine whistle-blower, have republicans putting the spotlight on house intel chair adam schiff. we did not get to this part of the story yet. this is very interesting. does this hurt democrats impeachment efforts? we have that angle coming up. ♪ >> schiff has been proven to be a liar, we have known it for three years, the home investigation is public. ♪ ♪ limu emu & doug

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"the new york times" that that is standard procedural, but devin nunes still has questions. speak of the thing that is still not clear is when did they actually find out about it? we still don't have a date. when did the whistle-blower start talking to the democrats on the intelligence committee? it was not very easy, it would've been very easy, just tell us. >> harris: a spokesperson says that the congressman has not met the whistle-blower and does not know his or her identity. why is this point important right now? >> ed: part of it is, look, schiff and/or his staff either met with the whistle-blower or representatives that could have been legitimate, because he is the chairman of a committee that oversees the intelligence committee. >> harris: that would be the standard procedure part. >> ed: he made public comments suggesting that he did not have any contact, so you asked the question, why is it relevant to

this? it gives the president an opening because it raises questions about his credibility which has artie been tested before and the russian investigation for two years he said he had evidence of collusion than ever exactly appeared. now he goes on tv a couple of weeks later, like he did not know anything about the complaint. >> harris: i like the way you put it, because a lot of people have said, he did not have the evidence, you said that it did not appear, and then you have to further that, why did he not give it to bob mueller? >> ed: they are denying that he was involved in comparing the whistle-blower complaint, we don't have evidence that he was, but andy mccarthy was saying earlier, when you read this complaint, it has lawyered up big time. >> harris: why would he not just say it from the beginning, it was definitely -- >> ed: now we know that they knew more than they first said. >> capri: this is yet another example of people are going to believe whatever part of the

story that they feel tells the story that they want. we have no idea, it okay, president trump is out there saying that somehow shift the schiff broke the whistle-blower complaint himself, and there will be people that believe that, then you have a bipartisan group of people on the senate intelligence committee saying this is standard operating procedure, so you will have people latching onto that saying this is just common, but there is no way for us to know. >> harris: but what just said is not a test, he said that adam schiff said that he had not had contact with the whistle-blower, and maybe it was a staff member, but i think by proxy it still counts. >> ed: we did not have, so that suggests the staff too. >> harris: that is not me looking at blue and you saying gold and me saying blue. those are facts that don't go together.

>> capri: i don't know the exact question that adam schiff was asked, but this is the same thing of mike pompeo, did he answer the question that was asked or did he say something that was -- >> melissa: what i think is wrong with this to really boil it down is that you can't be both the plaintiff and the judge. so it is sort of like, i think that's where this gets in achy territory, if he had a hand and help bringing this forward in crafting it, then he can't preside over it as the judge of impeachment. and that was kind of what it boils down to in my mind, in our system you can be on one side of the courtroom and also set up as the judge. >> dagen: he is actually a prosecutor in the opportunity that it is not a given one. >> harris: oh, forgive me, let's watch. >> this is how mr. schiff will conduct the interviews in the future, that is a concern as well, but it has been very impressive, and has said nothing

that nothing that coincides with what the democrats are saying, what their whole impeachment narrative. we are not going to get into specifics. >> what he said this morning either backs up or conflicting the plaintiff? >> nothing he has said supports the narrative you have been hearing from mr. schiff in the democrats, but i tell you what, as we have all been very impressed with his knowledge of the subject. >> he is revealing the conversation that he had with the president himself. >> we are not going to get into details until the whole interview is done, some of us have to -- >> does any of it contradict what the democrats have said? >> what about the narrative? >> we will get you that one when we are done with the interview. we want to come out and give you a heads up on what we see happening. >> do you have any concern about

what the president said on the south lawn? >> we have been in the interview for a few hours. we don't we don't know what the president said. we have not looked at it. thank you. >> are you done for the day? >> no. >> harris: so you heard jim jordan saying, that this interview has gone on with ambassador for about two hours, they are not done yet. he wanted to come out and give us a flavor of it. because we don't have cameras in there, obviously. so now we get to see what some of the questions are like. and i went to get your first impression about what he says when he says that ambassador kurt volker has not said anything that would contribute to the democrats narrative. >> ed: it appears, and i stress appears that this is a good moment for the president, because you have jim jordan who was just in the room saying that not only is there nothing that contradicts the president and instead, it seems to contradict

the testimony of the democratic narrative, that is good for the president overall, number two, jordan and others are saying this is an impressive witness. if he was saying things that were hurtful to the president, he would say he has no credibility, but where i say but is jim jordan is a partisan republican who supports a president. this is his mid game spin on where we are. >> harris: we don't know the one on one match with what is supportive and what is not too. >> ed: in the spin on both sides, let's see, this is being taken down, not deposition, but a transcribed interview, presumably at one point, maybe not immediately, but adam schiff and the committee will vote to release this, or he will come after the cameras later. >> dagen: i just wanted to finish the thought that impeachment is not a prosecution, but adam schiff behaving like a prosecutor who has already decided the suspect is guilty, now the house

democrats are using this to collect evidence to prove their conclusion, if that makes any sense, and nancy pelosi must, must eventually bring this to a vote of the entire house, not a constitutional requirement, but a an official impeachment proceeding has powers that will allow them to get documents from the executive branch and a president that might otherwise be withheld from normal oversight, eventually the legal pressure will be put on nancy pelosi. >> ed: why she is not doing that vote, one reason i am told by some of the president's advisors that you would have subpoena power for the republicans, both sides, that you alluded to before. >> dagen: which they had during the clinton impeachment. >> harris: and maybe she does not have the votes. she is a masterful counter. real quickly, our producer chad must have been watching us, he

says, yes, congressman jordan said on camera that he has been very impressive, he says democratic narrative is not working, however, he did not say what the narrative is specific that one on one match. >> ed: you would assume where he plays and big here is that he had some conversation according to rudy giuliani with the president's lawyer, the democratic narrative is that he was out on his own digging up some kind of dirt and that the state department was not on board, that is part of the democratic narrative, the republicans are saying that the democratic narrative is falling apart. >> harris: 2020 candidate bernie sanders has been sidelined after a health scare, how it could affect his campaign going forward. plus, alarming new members will demand numbers on the impact of the opioid crisis. one doctor is now learning his legal fate after illegally prescribing more than a half million pills. ♪ (melissa) somebody would ask her something and she would just walk right

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♪ >> melissa: new concerns as the opioid crisis rocks the country of a virginia dr. illegally prescribing more than half a million doses of oxycodone. authorities say dr. joel smathers operated a pill mill, this is medical officials in ohio say at least ten people there have died from drug overdoses in only 26 hours, those officials calling that number unusually high. >> capri: unfortunately, and i can speak to the ohio issue pretty explicitly, only second in the nation for opioid deaths,

this has been something we have been dealing with over a decade, part of it is pill mills, but now the issue is fenced in all, number that was just released, ten deaths in 26 hours, it seems that reports that we are getting in, that is related to the latest methamphetamine and cocaine. what has happened, is that the legislated and law enforcement focus on opioids, what has happened is that fentanyl has been released into other drugs that have not been having as much exposure, so this is a national crisis, i think it is speaking to the fact that all of the work to try to get at opioids has actually helped that now fentanyl that is coming from china is creeping into other drugs that we need to pay attention to again. >> melissa: are you saying that people who have addictions

are looking to other things as you crackdown on opioid use? >> capri: that is partially the issue, when we crackdown on pill mills in the state of ohio, that's when we saw heroin use spiked, because they had to divert to street drugs. >> ed: the president is the one who has been highlighting some of that, when you talk about fentanyl, he is the one who is taking on china and says that this ties into the border crisis and we have to deal with mexico as well, but i think both he and democrats in congress could be doing a whole lot more, it is pretty obvious. >> melissa: like what? >> ed: putting more money into treatment, which they have been fighting about but have not done, the president has a commission that has been studying, but when you talk to some of the lawmakers like capri, a former lawmaker, there is not enough on the ground. and yesterday there was the back and forth between the president and nancy pelosi about impeachment and what is getting done, this is real life, this is one of the things that is not getting done because they are focused on politics.

>> harris: and from what health experts are telling me between mental health and challenges in that precious community that sometimes we don't focus enough on, and then the anesthetizing that is going on with some of the drugs and dealing with the emotional and other difficulties, some of the money can go to lengthening out the program so that you are first dealing with the physicality of drug addiction, but then the underlying things that drove you to the addiction. or maybe he is prolonging it, you know, i am obviously not a doctor, but the experts and i am talking to say that sometimes the programs need a zigzag. they need okay, you are done with this one, let's take a left, let's take a right, and the funding is not there. in the sensitivity and understanding is not there, so it is a drop off, so-and-so is taking through, who won this battle, move on. >> dagen: this doctor who is going in jail for 40 years, more of this in prosecution for

somebody who prescribes 500 thousands of opioids in a period of two years, because the crackdown on opioids and the outrage over addiction has made it extremely difficult for people like my mother who has metastatic lung cancer to the bone, there is no pain greater than bone cancer, she, and they have made at the state and these regulators have made it incredibly difficult to get opioids, and no child should have to be on the phone with a prescriber screaming at the top of my lungs at night trying to make sure that my mother has her morphine so that she is not in debilitating claim back pain. that's what people who suffer chronic pain have gone to because of government overreach because they are not getting at the root of the problem. >> melissa: hillary clinton offering her advice to top trump administration officials who may find themselves implicated in house democrats impeachment probes. what she may have to stay may

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so call or go online right now. ♪ >> dagen: hillary clinton offering some unsolicited advice to high-ranking officials in the trump administration who may find themselves implicated in the house democrats impeachment inquiry into the president. take a listen to this. >> what many in the nixon white house and in the administration concluded was the right thing to do was tell the truth. tell the truth. and that would be advice that should be given to anybody caught up in this, because it is clear that the president has made a series of decisions to benefit himself and his political fortune. >> dagen: it is not the message, it is the messenger. >> ed: you stole my line, i had that written down.

great message, terrible messenger. have you heard of bleach bit. >> melissa: have you met susan rice? >> ed: she has no shame on these things, yes, tell the truth to investigators, tell the truth to the fbi, and don't delete over 30,000 emails when you are being investigated, that is sort of basic. >> harris: they were all about yoga. >> capri: i can't believe we are still talking about this. >> harris: that topic comes back because of topics that could happen soon, but her burst back onto the scene when it is being talked about, i do not believe in coincidence, i believe in interesting findings. >> capri: i know that there is a lot of interesting timing, conspiracy theories, however you would like to put it. that hillary clinton is trying to inject yourself back into the fray right now because of concerns that may be joe biden

is not going to last, that somehow she will try to sweep back in, and take over and run. >> ed: she is selling a book. >> harris: now you have a fantasy for democrats, some of them. >> capri: nobody wants that to happen on the democratic side, as much as people may still be upset about 2016, people want to move a on from hillary clinton, i believe tell the truth, but i remember with a cloth thing that happened. >> ed: everybody is looking at each other. >> harris: because we are all talking about hillary clinton, and it's like deja vu all over again. >> dagen: i don't care how many books you write or tv interviews you do, you'll never outsell michelle obama, not in books, and not in tickets to her events, there is one coming up out in new jersey. it's not going to happen. >> capri: they like her because they see her as genuine. >> melissa: i would say that we have ed henry sitting on the couch who has been too modest to

answer the question with a clot cloth. >> ed: i asked her if she wipes the server, and she said with a cloth? and she said that today used bleach bit, the deleted emails that we did not know at that time, but the hammer. >> harris: they physically destroyed a server. >> ed: i'm not sure her advice is going to be taken very well. >> dagen: her biggest problem now and in 2016 is that she has been on the world stage so long, i remember the right wing conspiracy. >> ed: i do too. i am old enough to remember. >> dagen: that's why we make the face. bernie sanders is feeling good after undergoing a heart procedure, but will this impact his campaign as we get closer and closer to the iowa caucuses? ♪ forgetting things, we didn't know where to turn for more information. that's why i recommend a free service called a place for mom.

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♪ >> harris: the bernie sanders campaign posting an ad buy in iowa after senator sanders unexpected heart procedure yesterday. he tweeted that he is feeling good after having two stents inserted, also had to cancel some upcoming events, all of this for months ahead of the iowa caucuses. it is february 3rd, that's right. as progressive elizabeth warren surges in recent polls, and has her in the lead, three points ahead of biden, 13 points ahead of sanders. ed henry, your thoughts. >> ed: my first thought is i hope he gets better, because we talk about all of these issues and what does it mean, no, let's hope that he is okay, that's what we all believe and hope for, and you can lose that. but in terms of the big picture, before this story, what struck me with bernie sanders was all of the polls, you are right,

turning towards elizabeth warren against bernie sanders in terms of the left of the left. >> harris: why do you think that is happening? >> ed: she has done a better job of capturing the issues that he pioneered in 2016 and earlier, but she has packaged them up a little bit better, gets into the nitty-gritty, and he said i wrote the damn bill, because he is frustrated. but here's my bigger point, before the health story, the other headline about bernie sanders, he raised a heck of a lot of money. so my point is he is not going away. >> melissa: to that end, saying that they put on hold a $1.3 billion ad buy in iowa, he does have all of that money, so when you double down and keep it going to keep his's name out there while he is not on the campaign trail? >> ed: they can say that he is back and strong. >> melissa: but you have a lot of money. >> ed: spend the ad money and not out there to reinforce it.

just before they are two things, one just because he is off the campaign trail, and hopefully a speedy recovery, we don't know what the surrogate network looks like, who is on the campaign trail? >> harris: he said he was going to do a whole re-staffing. >> capri: it is about elected officials that may have endorsed him, that will speak on his behalf, so just because he physically is not on the campaign trail -- >> dagen: why do the ad buy? >> capri: the filing deadline for the federal admission just happen, and they want to make sure, they do have a big hall, but you have to be judicious on how you spend it, and if he is taking out of the dialing for dollars for a little bit of time and he cannot actively raise money, they have to save a little bit to buy him sometime to get back into it. >> harris: went bernie sanders and hillary clinton went up against each other in the primary and she came out on top, there was all of this discussion about what would happen with the sanders base, if he should have

to exit, and we hope it is not ever for a health reason, but if that should happen, where do they go? do they like elizabeth warren? who do they like? >> dagen: there was some research, it is not ideology of the voters, it is demographics. and his demographic could go to joe biden, not elizabeth warren, that elizabeth warren's demographic if you break down her votes, what she has done in july would go along the lines of kamala harris supporters. i'm not sure if that is true, but one thing that bernie sanders might have to do sooner than any other candidate's name who would be his running mate, because at his age, this does bring it back into it, he would be 83 years of age at the end of his first term, and if you are having some heart issues, some health issues, you want to reassure your voters that there is somebody strong who stands by what you believe. >> ed: biden and warren and

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>> melissa: a fairfax county, virginia, police officer is returning to work tomorrow after being suspended for turning over an illegal immigrant to i.c.e. after the men was involved in a car crash. the police chief says the officer completed "remedial training" before being reinstated. what do you think about this, ed? >> ed: i think police officers -- without getting political, they are supposed to keep communities safe. it's sort of basic common sense that if a police officer see

somebody was here illegally and they are involved in a car crash, they hurt somebody, or god forbid they are committing a crime -- which we see happen around the country -- they should turn over to i.c.e. it's basic common sense, and yet you have the sanctuary cities, and the president's critics say, "they don't exist. this fake news," and all the rest. it's real life and our police officers are caught in the middle. >> melissa: i think the thing that really strikes me as police officers are caught in the middle of all this. in our own lives, when you see the tension between the nypd and the mayor's office here, and just the increased strain it causes on the job, the inability to do your job, and you kind of see that spreading around the country. what are your thoughts? >> dagen: it's disturbing. again, you essentially have sanctuary cities and a state telling police officers not to enforce the laws of the land. it is the law. if you enter this country illegally, you're here illegall

illegally. that is where most americans can get their heads around it. i know it's federal versus state and local, but the law is the law. >> melissa: there's also a big difference, capri -- on one hand we are offered pictures of i.c.e. rates on people, they are ripped away from their families, you have someone involved in a crime or who is being released after getting ready to be released after having been arrea crime. and then they are then put out into a vulnerable community without that really knowing about it. >> capri: back to your point on common sense, ed, i think most americans are in the place where certainly if you have committed a crime, if you have caused bodily harm to others, if you are committing other crimes, if you had a dui or if you don't have a valid driver's license, obviously you need to be subject to the penalties associated with those things. these are human beings, but i also agree that law enforcement is caught in the middle.

we see that with i.c.e. agents down at the border, too. they are just trying to enforce the law and we need to go back to congress. >> ed: how demeaning, too? that he needs "remedial training." that is pretty demeaning. >> melissa: on that happy note, ed henry, thank you for joining us. [laughter] we are back on the couch tomorrow at noon eastern. now, here's harris. >> harris: we begin with this fox news alert. we are awaiting new remarks from president trump this hour after some dramatic comments earlier today. "outnumbered overtime" now. i'm harris faulkner. the president doubled down on his claim that joe biden pressured ukraine to fire a prosecutor investigating a company that was tied to his son, hunter biden. another president is publicly calling on ukraine and china to investigate the bidens. >> i would think that if they were honest about it, they would start a major investigation into the bidens.

it's a simple answer. they should investigate the bidens. how does a company that is newly-formed, all these companies -- by the way, likewise, china should start an investigation into the bidens. because what happened in china is just about as bad as what happened with