>> martha: that is the story on this friday, october 4th, 2019. as always, "the story" goes on. have a great weekend, everybody. i will see you back here on monday at 7:00. good night. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: goowell, good evening and welcome to tucketucker karl tonight. we are nearing the end of our second full week of total saturation ukraine coverage. that means every channel, every hour of the day. so at this point you would think it would be obvious what exactly the fuss is about. after this much talking, you would assume every person in america would understand what crimes donald trump is being accused of committing. even now the story still feels obscure and strangely light. there is nothing mysterious or weighty about it. we already know all of the facts. there's a transcript. yet they still don't seem

very shocking. maybe for that reason our news anchors have been doing very best to keep the blood pressure high. the game is boring so the cheerleaders have to work overtime, twice as hard. for example, here was msnbc's best attempt to get you to care. >> i don't say this lightly but let's be frank the national nightmare is upon us. basic rules of democracy under attack from our president. we begin tonight with a series of admissions by the president but all but assures impeachment by the house of representatives. national emergency the founding fathers would have considered it a national emergency the public publicly lobbied foreign governments to interfere in the next election. hard to say lightly but this the is moment that we are at. >> tucker: i think a cliche bomb went off. try to forget how bad hack kneed. the state of our nation is in rapid decline. nobody can write a decent paragraph anymore. some day we will do a story on that. the basic rules of our

democracy are under attack. that's what they're telling you. so what exactly are the basic rules of our democracy? well, the most basic rule of all is that the people rule. in a democracy, the big decisions are made by voters in elections. they are not made by left wing talk show hosts or by "the washington post" or even by high level cia employees acting anonymously as whistleblowers. no. in a democracy, the main decisions are made by citizens casting ballots. that for example is, how you remove a president. by beating him in an election. that's always the way we did it here in america. not anymore. so, yes, our democracy is under attack. they are right about that. and, yet for all his faults donald trump is thought the attacker. but wait a second they are telling you. we understand how grave a decision impeachment is we are praying over it, people of faith that we're. in this case impeachment is

unavoidable. soliciting information from foreign countries is corrupt and evil. these what they are telling you okay. fine. let's at least acknowledge that this standard is a brand new standard. i mean, brand new standard like 20 minutes ago because it wasn't that long ago, less than a year. you will remember this. that all of american politics revolved around information solicited from foreign country, it was called the steele dossier back then the press corps strongly agreed with it. >> the allegations in their steele dossier and you went through the timeline a while ago are stunning. >> substantial portions in the steele dossier a raw intelligence document that have indeed checked out. >> based on our own reporting and word from numerous official sources the dossier, in fact is far from bogus. >> i think we are going to have to actually call it the infamous dossier. increasingly it's the accurate dossier. increasingly it's the damning dossier.

increasingly the dossier going to hang around the neck of the trump administration and drag them down. >> tucker: oh, the dossier. totally fine. in case you have forgotten and you may have forgotten because why would you remember but christopher steele who wrote the dossier was a foreign intelligence operative he gathered his material abroad in foreign countries. some of it clearly from foreign government officials. at the time that was absolutely fine with democrats. they weren't embarrassed to say. so clinton campaign staffer brian fallon tweeted this we could give you a million examples. here is his tweet. i deny i didn't know about christopher steele's hiring preelection if i had i would have agreed to go to europe and try to help him. okay. and by the way if foreign interference is such a concern and by the tway should be a concern, then why aren't we more worried about foreign companies sending de facto bribes to the family members of connected politicians? there are a lot of those.

we are picking on joe biden's son because he is in the news. it could be a lot of people's sons. trust me. s in the case of biden's son, nobody thinks is he expert on ukrainian energy policy. he got the gig because of his dad who was influence peddling, obviously. in this case that's okay though for some reason to believe. be totally honest. let's stop lying if we can for a second. i know it's hard in america where everyone is required to lie all the time. in washington there are no actual rules. partisans simply invent standards for the purpose of destroying their political enemies. just today hillary clinton tweeted this from the late democratic member of congress. this quote if the impeachment provision in the constitution of the united states will not reach the offenses chargesd here, then perhaps that 18th century constitution should be abandoned to a 20th century paper shredder. barbara. she thinks we ought to scrap

the constitution. oh, probably not a question that that concept appeals to michigan congresswoman rashida tlaib this week she told her constituents that the democratic party is now considering ways to arrest members of trump's cabinet. jailing them in detroit would be a good option she explained. watch this. >> so we are trying to figure out, no joke, we are trying to figure out well, is it the d.c. police that goes and gets him? no, no. what are we hoping? so i just want you to know i will relay your message. i will tell them they can hold off people here in detroit. we will take care of them and make sure they show up to the committee hearing. >> tucker: just going to arrest them. that's not third world or anything. arrest the cabinet. give tlaib credit for honesty. she is not pretending to be prayerful like nancy pelosi. she says what she thinks. and speaks for quite a few people in her party. what you just watched in that clip is politics itself breaking down. that's not politics, of

course. that's not persuading people and bring them over to your side through reason. that's something different. modern partisans on the left don't want to just win the next election. electoral power is too tran jent. it happened by the way in 2016. democrats don't want to take that risk again. so they moved on from the goal of winning votes to utterly destroying their opponents. their enemies. they want them imprisoned. they want their families intimidated and supporters intimidate and demoralized. vanquish rather than win over. that's not a good way to run a country. but it's an awfully effective way to maximize political power. catherine herridge is our chief intelligence correspondent here at fox news. she joins us with the very latest on the ukraine investigation. catherine? >> thanks, tucker. today the intelligence community watchdog was on capitol hill for seven day hours behind closed doors. sources familiar with the questioning tell fox news that michael attkisson told

lawmakers the whistleblower did not disclose his with the democrat led intelligence committee. ache can i son revealed the whistleblower was a registered diplomat who had a high working relationship with a high profile politician. he had no knowledge of you who a schiff tweet in late august about ukraine aid and rudy giuliani as well as other statements apparently neared the substance of the whistleblower complaint before it was declassified and shared with congress. schiff's spokesman says the chairman could have been more resize in his earlier media appearances. democrats and republicans today disagreed on the significance. >> chairman schiff should be disqualified from running an investigation where his committee members or staff are fact witnesses about contact with whistleblower and the whistleblower process. >> this whistleblower did

profoundly important thing by alerting the intelligence committee about what is a criminal act. >> this week also saw the release of these text messages from top diplomats over the president's july 25th phone call with the ukrainian leader and the request to look into corruption allegations against biden and his son. in september, a top diplomat to ukraine bill taylor texted gordon sondland who contributed to president trump's inaugural fund and ambassador to the union. taylor writes as i said on the phone i think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign. sondland responds bill i believe you are incorrect about president trump's intentions the president has been crystal clear no quid pro quo of any kind: i suggest we stop the back and forth by text. on the whistleblower fox news contacted chairman

schiff's office and the whistleblower's legal team about the disclosure issue and there was no immediate response. tucker. >> tucker: no immediate response. catherine herridge, thank you so much for that. >> you are welcome. >> tucker: news you can believe: retired professor of russian studies at nyu and princeton and author of the fantastic book "war with russia" from putin and ukraine to trump and russia gate. thanks for coming on tonight. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: i want to be clear with the steele dossier and i don't want to re-litigate the year we spent. now soliciting information from government is impeachable offense. the steele dossier the basis of the russia investigation, was that information in whole or part from foreign government? >> well, by the way, the first time we method on your program was two and a half years ago when the steele dossier was published. i think it was january 2, '17. and we talked about it then. i said to you then this is clearly something concocted

probably by intelligence agencies around the world. and that's what it's turned out to be. steele's premise, which got him attention, was that he got all this from sources high in the kremlin. it was supposed to be kremlin sources. but the story didn't make any sense because the dossier said putin wanted to elect trump so why then we ask ourselves would putin's own agents give steele dirt on trump to destroy his candidacy? the whole steele document made very little sense. by the way, we now know that steele was more of a come poser than a writer. a lot of people contributed to it, including the wife of a very high ranking american fbi agent, louise zore. she said she researched for steele so i assume that's what it means. truck truck pretty stunning. have you been in and around this world for many decades. have you seen anything like

this? this appears to be in part an intelligence operation aimed at a sitting u.s. president. is there precedent for this historically. >> have you asked me to go some place we can't go at length. coming down here, i asked myself, have we ever had a presidential scandal like this in america? no. i can't think of one. then, because i study soviet union as a profession, i ask myself did the russian secret police the kgb run own operations against soviet leaders to pursue policies they didn't like in the answer is yes, particularly detant related policies. now i connect dots and feel free to tell me i shouldn't connect these dots, that it's a crazy russianist thinking. all of this russian stuff seems to have originated, that's what steele tells us with intelligence agencies, american and foreign. what we don't know is why and we need to know this.

they set out to destroy trump as a candidate in 2016 and then as a president. after all, other american presidents had pursued cooperation with russia. what was it about trump that determined them to destroy him? >> tucker: that is the question. i have theories but i don't know if they are right. professor, thanks so much for that perspective, always. it's great to talk to you. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: well, the trump white house says if nancy pelosi wants to pursue impeachment, she should. the administration reportedly is planning a letter to pelosi saying it will not comply with requests for documents or other materials unless she holds a full house vote to begin a formal inquiry. hogan gidley is white house principal deputy secretary and he joins us tonight. mr. gidley, thanks for coming on tonight. >> thank you so much. >> tucker: is the house or is the house not impeaching donald trump. >> that's a great question one you would have to pose to nancy pelosi. their own rules dictate they have to vote if they want to

to move toward impeachment. they have not done that they keep issuing subpoenas. are they conducting oversight which at this point is overreach or are they going to move to impeach? she hasn't answered that question. the fact is donald trump has done nothing wrong and the democrats know it. and, also, he deserves due process just like any american citizen would. and the democrats can't void that simply because they mate him so much or because they want to overturn the election of 2016. >> tucker: so you have seen a number of not simply in his conversation with the ukrainian president but in a couple of other calls to the heads of state the president's phone calls, monitored and then leaked. you just saw gordon sondland the ambassador to european unions not a minor job his text messages were leaked. what is going on? >> that's a great question. and it has been obvious that people inside the government for quite some time. i mean, before this

president was sworn in, the oath of office, i was here in washington, d.c. i watched them rail against him and protest him before he was sworn in. he had not passed a single piece of legislation. he had not taken a position or pushed things as president. they wanted him out before he was actually sworn in. this is more of the same. it is very clear that there are people inside the government hell bent on destroying this president and taking him down. they try it every single day. you've seen that with the leaked calls from australian prime minister that we had a conversation with. the president spoke to the president of mexico also leaked. and now this whole ukrainian conversation. the democrats are so lost. what you are not hearing them talk about is usmca, for example, to help our farmers and ranchers. >> tucker: right. >> they are not talking about guns anymore which was the most pressing issue on the planet for a hot minute. they are not talking about medicare or fixing the healthcare system at all. they are not talking about

closing our borders at all. all they can see is hatred for this president, blood-red, trying to attack him. it's disgusting, it's gross. and the american people, quite frankly, deserve better it. doesn't hurt donald trump. it hurts the american people. they need infrastructure, for example but democrats won't even come to the table to discuss it. >> tucker: the other day during his press conference the president made a remark about china maybe they should look into what hunter biden was doing. mitt romney almost immediately issued a statement saying that was wrong and appalling. do you worry about romney specifically voting to convict in impeachment trial? >> i'm not sure what he's going to do. but, listen, mitt romney has a long history of trying to go to donald trump and get money, for example. he obviously wanted to be secretary of state. as well he didn't get that job either. goes back to utah and runs for senate. the president has great relationships in the united states senate. the republicans obviously control it. we expect we are are going to be fine in the united states senate. >> tucker: really quick, does the president regret

not hiring senator romney as secretary of state? >> i don't think so. i think he is quite happy with secretary of state mike pompeo who is doing incredible job and quite frankly shares the president's vision. >> tucker: hogan gidley, thanks so much for joining us tonight. >> thanks so much. >> tucker: this is a fox news alert. senator bernie sanders of vermont has been discharged from the hospital. his campaign now concedes that it was a heart attack that put him there. the campaign had previously said that sanders suffered chest pain and then underwent emergency surgery for blocked arteries. in a statement announcing his discharge though that described his ailment as a my cardio infarction. that's a type of heart attack that involves permanent damage to heart tissue. for now sanders says he will stay in the democratic race for the nomination. in fact, on twitter tonight he has ignored his heart attack admission. he says he will participate in the next primary debate. the creepy porn lawyer has stormed back onto the stage

as well. he says stormy daniels owes him millions of dollars for all the self-promotion he did at her expense. cpl back in the news next. here, it all starts with a simple...

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daniels she claims h she owes him $2 million in. embezzling $300,000 to daniels. hutzpah might be the name for it. spectator u.s.a. and he joins us tonight. jeff, great to see you. >> good to see you. >> tucker: cpl is suing stormy daniels who last time i checked had no money and was dancing in strip bars in richmond and have people throw beer bottles on her. he is trying to take money from her. >> that's exactly right. he is just trying to expres express. >> trying to litigate how hard he worked himself to the bottom for this client. this guy had a grueling 19 months or however long it was that he was putting himself fully and completely out there for her. just look at what he had to go through.

so hundreds a time a day he would be showing up at cnn. you have been to cnn, you used to work there. i have been to cnn. just showing up there is an experiment in human misery. you have to dry clean your clothes when you leave to get the stench of decay out of it. he has to sit in makeup. he has to -- then he has to go into the studio, hundreds of times we are talking about. and he has to surround himself with the tappers and the cuomos and essentially perform a kind of mr. rogers-like role where he talks to puppets for the entertainment of children. but his day isn't over then. he has to then go home and relentlessly google himself. he needs to get on to twitter and search for himself all night long and pick fights with random people. then he has to run for president. and he has to hold press conferences where no one shows up and buy really

expensive suits. this guy was really putting himself out there. what was stormy doing? she was dancing. >> tucker: she was dancing. you are missing one task that he had before him was about a year ago at this time. he had to pose as america's foremost feminist hero. weighs defender of women. he was woke. and now he is basically trying to steal money from a stripper that doesn't sound like a feminist move to me. >> that's exactly right. i wonder if he was america's sweetheart back then. brian steltzer told us he had a real shot at the presidency. and the feminists loved him. he was going to take down the president. and i'm so shocked that now he is trying to steal money from a hard working dancer. >> i have always felt sorry for her and i feel more sorry for her now than i ever have. he is a predator. chadwick moore, great to see you. relentlessly googling himself i will think about that right before i go to bed. >> likewise.

>> tucker: actor robert deniro has made it very clear how he feels about politics. >> this guy should not be president, period. >> and when you say that fox on fox come after you. i remember the tonies he got up there and cursed and a lot. >> [bleep] them. [bleep] them. >> you know this is cable. >> sorry, this [bleep] idiot is a president. this guy is a [bleep] fool. come on. >> how dare him say the things he does. of course i want to punch him in the face. >> right. [cheers] >> tucker: why does he feel so passionate? because he feels about the little people. is he a progressive, he is a liberal. that means his instinct is always on the side of the underdog. people unheralded you may not know their names but they make this country work. that's whose side robert deniro is on. that's why he fighting the power on their behalf. [laughter] is that really true? it turns out he may not reserve his rage for political topics. a former assistant has filed a 12-million-dollar sexual harassment case against robert deniro and her suit

includes this voice mail that he left her. listen. >> [laughter] >> tucker: just cares about the little people except for his assistant and the valet parkers screams at. joe concha writes for the media at the hill he does care about the people. he joins us tonight this seems to be kind of revealing, joe, or am i going to be drawing too grand a conclusion from his voice mail? >> oh, no, i don't think so

at all, tucker. there is 12-million-dollar harassment suit against robert deniro at this point by the rules of the me too era, he shouldn't be going on cnn or any other outlet. this isn't he said she said. you played the tape. alec baldwin listed to that tape and said wow, that guy is really out of control. [laughter] >> sea great actor. i'm not going to take that away from him. good fellows is one of my favorite movies. midnight run. he does comedy. forget about it. he is also the leader of the resistance in entertainment circles. the more he speaks, the more he helps the president. by the way, the president doesn't need any sort of hollywood help. he has jon voight, dean contain and catch which i because he still won the 2016 election despite awful hollywood being against him. i think that whole thing well you need hollywood support because they connect with people.

that's completely overrated. i'm making a very obvious statement. >> tucker: doesn't seem like accident they end up political activist. they make themselves feel like good people by getting passionately involved in an issue. shouldn't you start just as a life lesson, as a kind of rule for living with the people around you? if you can't be nice to them, then why should i listen to you? >> >> take care of your own home. mow your own lawn before you start telling people how to run their own homes and mow their own lawns. right? deniro, this stuff is bad by the way. deniro would direct the accuser who scratch his back, button his shirt, fix his collars, prod him awake while he was in bed. stood idly by while his friends slapped her on the buttocks. i don't hear a peep out of anybody remotely substantial in hollywood denouncing

robert deniro the same way brett kavanaugh or any conservative for that matter would be ostracized and shamed at this point. it's amazing. >> tucker: because they are all this way. they all have dysfunctional, unhappy disorder personal lives. that's why they are so angry. joe con charges great to see you. >> have a great weekend. >> tucker: you too. city of seattle has surrendered its parks to i have a grants now may surrender its streets to criminals. allowing thousands of criminals to walk away without any charges. that's next. ♪ ♪ (melissa) somebody would ask her something and she would just walk right

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>> tucker: elizabeth warren spends an awful lot of time telling us how tough she is going to be if she is elected president with silicon valley. she claims she'll break up the largest tech monopolies like facebook and amazon and google. we support that idea, of course. everyone should support that idea. but can we believe that elizabeth warren really means it? well, maybe not.

a recent story on a business website profiled the tech big wigs donating to warren's campaign and amazingly dwight a few of them. one facebook executive has already donated more than 5 grand to warren's presidential campaign. uber donated as well. they were backing elizabeth warren but kept their names anonymous. by the way employees at alphabet the parent company of google have donated almost $130,000 to elizabeth warren. that's the second most of any company or organization in the united states. so long as you are ranking them amazon is number 4 on the list. apple is 5th. it turns out big tech loves elizabeth warren. almost as much as it loves pete buttigieg who has got no chance. and far more than it loves joe biden. so learn may say that she plans to reign in big tech but silicon valley is full of really smart people who got rich by making good bets and they are betting she

doesn't mean it. they don't believe her for a second. why should we? well, seattle is one of the country's most progressive cities and that means that leaders there are treating their city as a test tube for radical ideology. the city has already creed creed city prosecutors refuse to prosecute almost half of all non-traffic criminal cases referred to them by the city's police. for example, more than 1800 robberies were referred by police over a 19 month period but less than 1,000 of them resulted in criminal charges. christopher is a fellow at the institute and he joins us tonight. this is kind of an amazing number. first perspective, this is unusual, correct? >> yeah. this is highly unusual and really what you have seen is seattle has embarked on experiment of mass decriminalization. not only decriminal sizing

homeless encampments and possession and yiewlsz of drugs like fentanyl and de facto criminalization of low level property crimes assaults and robberies. the evidence is really clear. seattle now has property crime rates that are 86% higher than chicago. 250% higher. >> tucker: than chicago? >> than chicago. 250% higher than los angeles and 400 percent higher than new york city. and they are kind of operating under this mistaken idea that if you decriminalize crime you will get less of it. what we have seen especially with property crime is that you have gotten much, much more of it and reaching a pretty dangerous point. >> tucker: is that the idea or is it we have no moral stand tong force the law and we hate ourself so much that we can't possibly tell a criminal not to commit crime? >> i think that's at the heart of it. there is really a radical progressive ideology that is seeping its way through institutions and cities like seattle, san francisco, and portland where they are saying that essentially

people who are homeless or committing crimes or addicted to drugs are the victims of an unjust society. and we can't hold them accountable because to do so would be another vestige of white supremacy or fascism or racism. but, what you have seen is that it's essentially devolved into a situation where you have widespread addiction by the latest estimates we have 6,000 homeless heroin and fentanyl addicts in the seattle area. and we know that almost all of them don't work. and they have, on average, according to federal data, an $1,800 a month drug habit. so what happens? you get a huge increase in property crime. and i live in seattle, washington. and even just within a few blocks of my house you have had a guy dows another guy with lighter fluid. light him on fire. have you had a number of robberies. i had a neighbor who there was a deranged man banging on her door trying to gain entry. it took two hours for police to arrive because they are so busy going call to call

to call. >> tucker: that's a horrifying story. seattle for our viewers who haven't been there is one of the prettiest places in the world and they're wrecking it. >> yeah. it's a beautiful city. it's a city paradoxically really dynamic capitalist enterprise. mass prosperity. it's being undermined by this kind of ideological commitment that is really kind of multiplying these problems and now we are seeing huge uptick in property crime and even random acts of violence downtown. >> tucker: the self-hating deck dance of the new rich you see it all up and down the coast on your side of the country. thanks so much for joining us tonight. godspeed out there. >> thank you. >> tucker: well, a federal judge, an obama judge, of course, just gave harvard university a green light to discriminate based on skin color. not progress but we have got details. ♪ ♪

>> tucker: harvard university is this country's oldest and most prestigious college it's not because they have fair or americratic admissions they never have but it's getting worse. devastating hard evidence, data that harvard sissaticly discriminates base on skin color in deciding who to let. in discrimination is the basis of their decision. it's no different morally from anything that happened in the jim crow south. this week though a federal judge appointed by barack obama said totally fine. judge ellison burrow for the sake of fighting entrenched racism harvard is allowed to entrench racism. lawyer and civil rights. he joins us tonight. what should we conclude from this court decision?

>> basically elites think discrimination okay as long as they think it's okay. harvard was engaged in pretty egregious racial discrimination against asian students who brought the lawsuit but also white students to give you some type of a benchmark. asian students on average admit into harvard have sat scores 218 points higher than similarly situated black comparatives. white students had sat scores 183 higher. the courts said nonetheless that's constituent with the 2003 decision in gruters that allows elite university frankly any university to use race as one component among many to achieve the educational benefits reportedly derive from having a diverse student body. that's never been litigated there are such true educational benefits. that's neither here nor there the fact is harvard could probably get away with it even though the evidence shows that if they did

engage in this type of discrimination the black student population at harvard would decline by more than 60%. the asian population obviously would increase dramatically because on average the asian students that apply to harvard have extremely high scores. extremely high gpas, that sat differential is replicated in terms of the gpa deferential of admitted students. the discrimination is significant here. it will be going to the supreme court. >> tucker: it's hard to believe once you see the actual numbers unearthed by this lawsuit. it's hard to believe that our a meritocracy is real. it almost is insulting that people claim it's a meritocracy? >> yeah, a meritocracy for me but not for thee. one of the more troubling aspects of, this again, this is a lot of elite schools do this but almost every other school of a certain level does it. one of the more troubling aspects of this is, this is

supposed to, as you indicated in the intro, be a benefit not just to the school but to the students who are the intended, purported intended beneficiaries. there is something called the miss hatch effect. there is copious date that data. those actually suffer egregious harm to a large extent. in many schools, for example, 2.5 times as many blacks fail than whites. 50% of blacks congregate in the bottom 10% of the gpa level so a lot of these folks will transfer from stem courses to softer courses because you can't take someone who has sat score that's 200, 400 points below their comparative and expect to compete. >> tucker: it's not done for their benefit. it's done so white liberals can feel like saviors. >> so the college catalog has a rainbow on it. >> tucker: exactly. so they can feel good about themselves. peter, thank you as always for coming on. i appreciate it?

>> thanks a lot. >> tucker: america's elite colleges in general are far less impressive than they once were. much less expensive and still admit the children of the american elite. chris cuomo went to yale. did you? literally. but they don't put a lot of emphasis on learning. instead activism rules the day. students campaign to stamp out free speech. some of them probably spend more time protesting lectures than actually attending lectures. it's a situation ripe for satire and we finally have such a satire. scott johnston is a yale graduate he wrote hilarious novel called campus land about experiences on that campus. we recently spoke to scott johnston, here's how it went. >> so it is a novel. there is a story. i don't want to give it away. i hope our readers will find out for themselves and it's not a preachy book but if there is a message, what would the message be? >> i think wanted to draw some attention how crazy things are getting because as crazy as you might think

it is. it's about three times as bad. >> that is true. so you went to college. you went to yale. then you left. you have not spent a life in academia to write this book you obviously had to immerse yourself in what was currently going on on campuses. what was your reaction to it? >> i was an adjunct at yale for a little while. and i'm a fellow there. so i stay involved. and i pretty much know what's going on there and elselsewhere. did i not set out to write a novel. a couple things happened that compelled me to, really. the first is i want went to a conference on free speech at yale. and 200 protesters showed up to try and shut the conference down. i have it on good authority they skipped irony class that day. >> tucker: i was just thinking that exact thing. >> as i was walking out through fay languages of screaming undergrads. i started wondering why someone hasn't made satire

rick hay out of all of this craziness. didn't occur to me that i should be the one to do it. i had never written a novel. fast forward to my college reap union i was holding the door open undergraduate who stopped dead in her she accused me of patriarchial behavior for holding the door open. >> tucker: how did you respond? >> i said i thought i was just being polite, then we had a standoff for a minute before boredom overcame her principles and overcame mine and she walked through the door. >> tucker: part of what you learn reading this and reading the news, in fact, is a lot of these schools, i would probably count yale in the liberal arts in this category, haven't simply given up on traditional mission to educate people broadly but are actually turning out pretty bad

people. they are making students worse people. >> if you don't show up at a school like yale outraged about something, they will turn you into a student who is outraged by something. it's become part of the culture. it's almost an addiction and they have sit-ins and marches and when they get really mad they walk around with signs and every week it's something different. and it -- they mistake it for action. and it's all fairly silly. and the majors that they have now, there is so many that i just call oppression studies. that are turning out kids who are unemployable. so, i had to make fun of it all. >> tucker: but why are we paying for this? i imagine when you go back to yale, some people think you are great. other people think you are part of the parishy a patriarchs you just said. why do people send people to

schools. >> many people are stopping. they are catching on. hopefully if they read my book they will catch on more. >> tucker: congratulations on the book campus land. scott johnsston. thanks for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> tucker: we have a fox news alert for you. an update. this appeared in the "new york times" moments ago. the newspaper says a second intel official, intelligence official is considering filing a whistleblower complaint against the president. apparently this official would also be complaining about the president's behavior towards ukraine. but this one supposedly has more firsthand knowledge on the topic as opposed to the first anonymous whistleblower's whose accusations were entirely second hand. what does all of this mean? we have no idea. we are just throwing it up there and trying to figure it out. we'll stay on this story. u.s. military admits that ufo footage is genuine. citings continue to pile up. now groups say they have physical evidence related to

unidentified aircraft. a member of that group joins us next.

>> tucker: just a few weeks ago the navy admitted for the first time that several ufo videos were real meaning they show actual area phenomenon that so far the pentagon cannot explain. now ufo explanation group says they have found material that could be physical evidence of ufos. louise [inaudible] super star academy of arrests and science headed the pentagon's office. star of the history channel "unidentified." he joins us tonight. thanks so much for coming on. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: what is this material and why could it shed light on the question of what ufos might be. >> sure, our company over the last year and a half has actually obtained quite a bit of material.

let me first preface by saying some of that material that's providence is frankly hearsay while other of the profnts of some oprovidence of s other material has been substantiated. result 34589ly in the process of analyzing this physical properties, chemical or molecular properties and then ultimately atomic properties. and it's really at that point we'll be able to make some sort of definitive conclusion, keeping in mind that we still have to follow the scientific process and methods and at the same time have peer review. it's not just as simple as coming out and saying hey, look what we found there is a lot of work that still needs to be done. >> tucker: of course that right and be challenged. >> absolutely. >> tucker: why do you think this material might be connected to ufos? >> without getting into a lot of detail right now because frankly it's too speculative for me at this point to say why i think something. at the end of the day, it's going to be what the analysis tells us. and if you have, for example, interesting isotope

pick ratios that are not normally found let's say on this planet, then you have to scratch your head and a either engineered that way or b came from somewhere else and ultimately that's what we are trying to find out. >> tucker: these are materials brought to you by people who say this is at the site of a ufo incident or crash? >> in some cases, yes. unfortunately i can't elaborate too much with some of these individuals. we do have nondisclosure agreements. it's from various sources both private and governmental. >> tucker: it goes without saying i hope you will come back as you get to the bottom of this. we remain skeptical but open-minded. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: of course. thank you. that's it for us tonight and the week amazingly. tune in every night starting monday 8:00 p.m. on in to the future indefinitely to the show that is the sworn totally sincere and we hope cheerful enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness and group think. dvr it if you have the advanced science degree or

can figure that out. ha. good luck. good night from washington. have the best weekend with the ones you love. enjoy. you never know. hannity is next. ♪ ♪ note. >> sean: welcome to hannity. tonight buckle up. we have big breaking news tonight multiple fronts. ukrainian impeachment fantasy as we predicted it's now blowing up in heir faces just like the trump-russia collusion blew up in their faces. in moments we will reveal brand new evidence that will absolutely destroy the democrats, the media's insane impeachment compulsive narrative. including brand new text messages proving president trump did absolutely nothing wrong during communications with ukraine. non-whistleblower, whistleblower trump hating hack and details