happening november 6 in st. petersburg florida, for tickets go to foxnation.com/and even let ed henry in there. jedediah: [laughter] wow! pete: go twins. jedediah: see you tomorrow. neil: new subpoenas in the impeachment inquiry, but still no full house votes on an impeachment inquiry. president trump's daring speaker nancy pelosi to do it even as wall street doesn't seem to be learning all about it and is that the most telling sign on all of this? we're all over egood morning, everyone, happy saturday i'm neil cavuto and you're watching cavuto live we begin in washington with garrett tenney on a new battle over still more subpoenas. gary? >> house democrats are escalat ing the standoff and last night issued a subpoena accusing the president of choosing a path of coverup, the heads of three

committee, oversight, intelligence and foreign affairs have given the white house until october 18 to provide documents related to their impeachment inquiry and in a letter to acting white house chief of staff mick mulvaney, the top democrats warned, failure or refusal to comply with the subpoena shall constitute evidence of obstruction of the house's impeachment inquiry and may be used as an adverse inference against you and the president. on friday, those same committees also requested documents from vice president mike pence regarding reports he was involved in efforts to pressure ukraine to investigate the biden s. on friday, those committees, they sent that request and they gave him until just middle of this month, to provide those, and house democrats, they are continuing to warn the white house about refusing to cooperate with their impeachment inquiries. >> we don't want, you know, to have mob justice or a rush to an outcome here, and we want to give them a fair process but that also means that the president when we ask for documents has to turn them over, and if he is not willing to do

that, then we should consider putting his refusal to do that in the bucket of obstruction of congress, and categorizing that as a consciousness of guilt. >> however the president's gop allies in congressman are refusing to cooperate with the democrats commands is exactly what the white house should do. >> what i'm hearing the right move here and when something that the administration seriously is considering doing is forcing the house to take a vote. we should have a vote in the house, if they want to have an impeachment inquiry i don't believe that we should have an impeachment inquiry but if they want to have one there should be a vote. >> adding to all of this on friday, secretary of state mike pompeo missed the deadline to comply with the subpoena for documents related to his department's dealings with ukraine, and president trump's personal attorney, rudy guiliani , so fox news is told the state department is in touch with the committees. neil? neil: garrett, thank you very much my friend and now to the white house and what the president & company are saying

about all of this, ellison barber is there. reporter: neil, president trump continues to say that he believes he is being treated unfairly here, and he continues to deny allegations of in propriety. president trump: no, no, no, let me tell you. i'm only interested in corruption. i don't care about politics. i don't care about biden's politics. i never thought biden was going to win. this is about corruption, and this is not about politics. this is about corruption. reporter: the impeachment inquiry directly reached the white house yesterday evening, when those three democratic committee chairman subpoenaed for documents related to communications between president trump and the president of the ukraine, the chairman says president trump forced their hand here after ignoring a september 9 request for document s. sources tell fox news the president is set to send a letter to house speaker nancy pelosi on monday, telling her the white house will not hand

over any documents until a full house vote is held on impeachment. neil? neil: ellison thank you very much. all right, well house speaker nancy pelosi says that a full house vote is really not required to proceed with an impeachment inquiry. republican house judiciary committee member debbie leskow here, i think you disagree with that congresswoman is that correct? >> i would disagree. it's not technically, it's not in the law anywhere that you have to do it, but the last two times with president clinton and president nixon, they did a full house vote and they set certain procedures of how it was going to go and there was due process, so that their president's counselors at both times could cross-examine witnesses, sit in on these hearings, and have witness lists. none of that is happening here. this is a total partisan hit job , total unacceptable, i hope the american people see it for what it is.

this is so partisan, its been happening for years now, and ever since the president was elected they have been trying to kick him out and they will do anything. i am convinced, the democrats will do anything to get back in power. neil: given that it ever came to a vote that the democrats would have the 218 needed to impeach? >> you know, i don't know. i know that it certainly is not politically a good thing for them, and that's why i'm sure pelosi is not doing it. she is giving no standard due process to this procedure at all , and that's why it is so partisan, so unfair, but they should put it up on the board. put their money where their mouth is, because then, all of their democrats that won in trump districts will be on record and i dare her to do it, and she's not doing it, because she knows that it's politically bad for some of her members and it's not fair to the president.

neil: but when you hear the president though and it might be something you say but when you hear the president saying what he says and even publicly urging china to look into joe biden, and corruption, all of that, is that wise for president, leaving aside whether it's impeachable or a high crime misdemeanor? is it wise? >> you know i don't know why he said that. i did see a video of marco rubio saying the president is just trying to play with the media, and maybe that's so. i really don't know. i do think that it is fair game that we talk about who interfer ed in the 2016 elections , and what source did that come from? two years, the president had to put up with what? 2,800 subpoenas, a whole bunch of fbi officers checking into him. i mean, you know how adam schiff said for two years, he had evidence that the president colluded with russia? turned out to be not true, and

then he makes up this, you know, conversation between the president and the ukraine yankees president, totally made up, and then they released just some of ambassador voelker's text messages just the ones that will hurt the president and that's why we needed the whole transcript released. i mean, they are playing so unfair, so unfair to the president, it's just unconscionable. neil: so when you see the focus on adam schiff is the face of the impeachment inquiry rather than the chairman of your committee, jerry nadler that is the judiciary committee, what did you think of that? it does break form in that regard. >> i have no idea what pelosi is doing on that, because the judiciary committee is the committee that has traditionally done impeachment proceedings, so but they're not playing by any precedence, any fair rules, anything like that. they are full speed ahead, trying to take out the president

of the united states because they didn't like that the public elected him in 2016. this has been going on ever since he got elected, and i am convinced just because i'm on the ground. i have boots on the ground, that they will do anything, say anything, to get back in power. neil: all right but in the meantime we got reports in the new york times and elsewhere that they have a second whistleblower could be coming, more signs that the administration might have tried to obstruct getting this out there, even though the president is talking about i did provide a transcript of that conversation with the ukraine leader but that is a drip-drip nature to this and that's why to support for impeachment, oddly enough, is building up a little bit. do you worry that where there's smoke there could be fire for republicans and in particular the president? >> all i know is from what i have seen, there is nothing impeachable and that there has been a pattern, by my democratic

colleagues, a coordinated pattern, to continue to try to undermine the president. whether it be a judiciary committee with this whole robert mueller and collusion and obstruction of justice and all of the type of things that have been proven false, or whether it's bringing in witnesses to try to undermine the administration's actions on let's say border security, or law enforcement or anything, this is full court press by the democrats. it's a total political witch hunt. i agree with the president, it's totally unfair to him, and we'll see what happens. neil: all right, because right now, republicans are pretty much in lockstep is with what you said, congresswoman but not everybody. mitt romney says that it stretch es the bounds, i'm paraphrasing here, that this wasn't a focus on joe biden, and would not have been the case if it were not joe biden, they were talking about, because biden stood and might still stand the

best chance of getting the democratic nomination, if that were not the case then it looked like he was sort of finished goods, the president wouldn't be doing any of this. what do you think of that? >> well, i disagree with mitt romney. i just disagree with him. i mean, first of all, joe biden wasn't doing very good in any of the debates. he fumbled a lot. he said a lot of bad things. i think the president trump could have beat him no matter what, so it doesn't make sense for the president of the united states to go after him when he was already a weak candidate. neil: all right, so you're not buying that. congresswoman very good having you thank you very much. >> i'm not. thank you. neil: in the meantime, could an unemployment rate not seen since the moon landing help land president trump more and more years in the oval office? >> one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind. wow, what a beautiful wedding!

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president trump: the unemployment numbers just came out, and they're the best number s we've had in over 50 years. the unemployment number is down to 3.5%, so that goes way way back. neil: indeed, way, way back. i mean a lot back, all the way back to when neil armstrong land ed on the moon in 1969 the last time the unemployment rate has been this low so is the economy now prepared for a lift- off just when people thought we were falling apart? fox business network has been looking at the numbers and they are pretty impressive. reporter: good morning to you, neil, that's right. not since neil armstrong such significant video have we seen unemployment this low. 50 year low to be precise, the unemployment rate falling to 3.5 %. the u.s. economy added 136,000 jobs in september, and an average hourly earnings they grew 2.9% according to the labor department and then there was a little lower than expected but it's also believed that it's

going to be revised up next month. now, healthcare, transportation, business service sector, they added jobs, but manufactures, they cut jobs last month. stock market it liked the number because it shows that the engine is still running and it wasn't so good that it would deter the fed from a rate cut at the end of the month so kind of the perfect scenario, for investors. meantime with all of the recession talk, the data, it's not conclusive. manufacturing and services, they slowed, but there is still signs that the consumer is healthy. that's important, because consumer spending accounts for two-thirds of economic activity. according to the national retail federation, holiday sales they could jump 4.2% to $730 billion. that is higher than last year. then we saw increased sales from costco and apple. household names that give you a beat on the consumer's mind set. costco revenues jumped 22% in the last quarter, apple increasing its iphone 11 by 10% because of such strong demand so the markets are bracing for earnings season in full swing

they want to hear how companies are fairing amidst the trade war and how they're going to guide wall street providing some insight into what they think is going to happen when we head into the holidays, neil? neil: jackie thank you very very much in the meantime despite everything over the economy and uncertainty over impeachment, jackie pointed out wall street enjoyed a fine end to the week performance, still it was the third down week in a row even with that better than 340 point gain, so what are the markets telling us? let's ask some market brains, and we've got gary kaltbaum and jonas max ferris. when you look at this, francis the employment report was really the savings of the week everyone is getting worried there's contraction going on in the factory sector, services are slowing down, we got a problem, and then boom. what do you think? >> well the thing is that we do have deceleration and growth and then we have questions around inflation and those things will determine when the business cycle rolls over, right? so we are pretty late cycle in the fact that we've had a record bull run and so how much longer does it have to go remains to be

seen but we do see some deceleration and that's going to hopefully trump gets a china trade deal and now he's under pressure to review that and hopefully the fed eases, and however -- neil: well the expectations is they are going to do that. later this month, they meet again, and up until this week, fewer than 4/10 thought we would see a rate cut. now, it's almost up to 9/10. >> well it's 100% guarantee they are going to but the markets already done the job. the ten year is already down 1.5 % and that's what matters most. most important thing for me and i'm kind of where i think a lot of the areas of the earth are already contracting, asia same thing. we're holding up pretty darn well compared to the rest and i just keep my fingers crossed that continues. we're just getting, if i only looked at the bond market i'd think that we have, we would be in a depression right now but i think we're growing probably in the mid to high 1s which is not great, but --

neil: better than a minus. better than what we're seeing across the globe and i'll tell you what the economy has been able to do every time we've had a little bit of a drop it's re accelerated again, so that's what i'm hoping for. i'm not sure just yet. i need to see more and of course , the holiday season will tell us everything. neil: you know what's interesting about it, jonas is that that is true, that every time we had a fall off, people have pounced in and bought on these debts, have where you buy on the dips and i don't know how long it holds true but for the better part of 11 years its held true. >> it's when the doesn't work that there is a problem. neil: shhhhh. >> all of the economic numbers that would get you re-elected look good. the ones that predict recessions are scaring investors to be honest. and the bond yields for one, the manufacturing, i've got to tell you was a lot stronger during the moon landing and that concern is that -- neil: we only had a 5% inflation rate? >> inflation was unbelievable. we beat it.

but manufacturing is a small part of the economy than it was during the moon landing, so that in itself, what scares me actually is not the manufacturing, is a little weak. it's the perceived excess, because that's really what's driving our economy, could lead to all of the investors questioning how much money they are putting into these companies seeing that it's all going into tequilla bottles, office spas and gulfstream. that stepback of money could lead to the economy slowing down , and ending this recession more so than a manufacturing job neil: some of those, if you think about it, have been the ones that have been torn apart, right? so i'm wondering if that's the case, is that a bad sign, for the markets, remember the economy, whether you're talking peleton or smile direct, you know, two new offerings -- >> 1999, remember all of the ip o's that came out in 1999 right before as jonas says the tech bubble burst but the other thing that's interesting is they are increasingly lower

volumes buying these dips so the fear even though the market does not make a new low and the vix index or measurement of fear did not make a new high in last weeks sell-off, short-term, it's looking like the markets are holding but longer term we have these larger issues with the reconciliation point. neil: maybe to joanas's point we kick it and always say this time that every single time, we pounce on them and ignore them. >> well it's not if there's a recession it's when, because the business cycle is the business cycle is the business cycle. >> i've been saying that for five years. >> [laughter] neil: i guess not. >> yeah, and you bring up this we work and all of this stuff. i actually think that it's good news because the investment banker -- neil: we earned a lot more. >> the investment bankers did their usual they end they came out with ridiculous valuations on money losing companies and i think we're getting back to the real-world where a public is not going to get screwed. i think we work, you know, i

wonder if that's around in a couple of years. i just think it's good to see because you can't keep bringing out companies at $20 billion valuations that lose $1 billion a year, so i actually think -- neil: but they have to make money contrary to the period in 99 and early 2000 where anything -- >> that was then. >> i think it's good news for the market when all is said and done, but it's sometimes signals that we're in late stage and that's something really watching closely right now. >> it's like you wanted the heat to come off the housing market but if it comes off too fast, you can gradually go back to reality not overnight back to reality. neil: no one is in a rush for that. guys thank you very much. i do want to say that we've mentioned earlier, in a block of the show, mitt romney critical of the president, do you think the president tweeted mitt romney never knew how to win, he is an ass fighting me from the beginning except when he begged me for my endorsement for his senate run and i gave it to him and when he begged me to be

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neil: it is happening again, more violent protests in hong kong, officials there have issu ed a ban on wearing face masks but demonstrators still are and it's escalating, fox's greg p is live in hong kong with the very latest. greg? >> hi, neil you're absolutely right. we have been watching an incredibly violent week here in hong kong, today, was relatively peaceful, the pro-democracy protesters are testing out that

new face mask ban, but except of course where we were. take a look at what we saw. >> possibly what is the first enactment of this face mask law, pretty peaceful scene here, protests in the center of hong kong, a moment later, these riot police came in and they are pinning down possibly arresting some young people, with face masks. >> again after a calm march through the city, the protesters gathered out of nowhere those riot police came charging in. the young couple nabbed were later released and we spoke with them after and they were pretty shaken up as were a lot of people. take a listen. >> i'm so angry. >> you're so angry? >> why? >> when we wear the masks in the protest, i think that it is a way to protect ourselves. >> yeah, friday night in hong

kong is huge violence, neil. subway stations, banks, stores, they were all trashed in the wake of that today it was pretty much a ghost town, and including the entire subway system being closed down, and neil, the local media described that as unprecedented. we also got yet another taped message from the beijing and embattled hong kong chief executive lamb, she denounced violence and more clashes expected sunday back to you. neil: i also understand, the emergency measures that everyone has to comply with including the mask thing and as you've been reporting very well that they're not all honoring that and we're told they would be arrested on the spot, have they been? hold off, what are you hearing? >> yeah, at the scene, we were, two were detained and then released. we're not hearing of any other

arrests, experts we've been talking to say you can't arrest thousands and thousands of people, because thousands and thousands of people who wear these face masks we're expecting that tomorrow too it is seen more broadly as a deterrent perhaps and this is what we've been trying to figure out maybe when the officials come in with real violence they can even more quickly nab the people who are doing the violence and quickly cite that face mask, neil, and has a one year jail sentence. they are trying anything, neil to curb this violence and so far remember we're approaching four months of unrest, so far, they failed. neil? neil: greg thank you be safe yourself. appreciate it. greg palkot doing incredible reporting in the middle of hong kong in the meantime back in the u.s. today, reportedly an early account of the whistleblower's accusations against the president. is that an edge for the president? i'm going to give you a hint. and disappear. this is what you live for. it's your season.

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neil: the washington post getting the house intel committee chairman adam schiff, for saying that there was no prior contact with the whistleblower before he or she, it's looking like a he, filed a complaint. johning me now the former u.s. attorney, guy lewis. what did you make of that guy, that again and then, adam schiff said kept denying it and pushing it off when in fact certainly his staff, there were advanced communications, and that might be that it's the first of others what do you think?

>> well, i think that it's a big problem for the whistleblower and the allegation s and the information contained in the complaint. not only did they have contact, neil, but apparently, it was about 30 days prior to the filing of the complaint, and in that contact, which again, as you say, schiff denied, he said we've had no direct contact, we know that's not true. his office did have contact, and it raises a lot of questions for me. what did they talk about? did somebody guide them? tell them what to write and how to write it? i've got to tell you, neil i look at this complaint, and having studied a lot of fbi, dea , federal agents complaints, i've got a lot of questions about the way this thing was written. neil: you know, if in fact it was written, you know, with some legal help maybe from intelligence committee democrats , i mean, that seems to

be a suspicion, i'm just wondering in light of this new york times report this morning that there's a second whistleblower out that who might have been in on this phone call the first whistleblower presumably was not, but there's something else going on here. what do you think it is? >> well, your question is good. look you've been a reporter, a great reporter toy a long long time. you always look at motivation. you always look at what people, we know this, and again this is not a disqualifier, but it's worth looking at. we know that the "whistleblower" was a democrat. we know that he or she, i think a he, worked for a prominent democrat. we, i believe and it appears that he worked for the cia, which their montra is not honesty and truth. i mean, they are the masters of disinformation and then you lack at some other things. he's apparently got lawyers, i

mean, whose paying for the team of lawyers they don't come cheap , and we know that this is apart from the substance. he doesn't have any firsthand knowledge. you read the complaint, he's citing his sources are cnn and bloomberg and others, which new york times, which clearly seemed to not be in agreement with president trump, so look, i think that there's a lot of problems with these allegations. neil: you know, when you try to avoid the politics here, guy, but one of the things in the risks that come up here is whether the president did something that enters the high crime of misdemeanor which warrants impeachment even though i've since learned that sometimes it doesn't have to be a crime so much is just the political nature of it, where a party can pursue just that. leaving that aside do you think that the president could playoff that old nixon line, i gave them a sword, in other words i did things that would fuel this investigation into every little thing i did, and that he gave

them a sword again this past week, when urging china, to look into corruption and joe biden and all of that, and maybe even tying it to trade. the president is saying that's not the case if they come empty handed for these trade talks next week this has nothing to do with anything but it does make you wonder and it does look awkward and it does threat to mitt romney, of course no fan of this president clearly from the president's tweet today no fan of mitt romney it does stretch, does it not? >> well look, you go back and you look at some of the president's remarks, and he does get tongue twisted. i'd advise him to lay off the tweets, sometimes. he gets himself into it, but look at this president is his own man and he follows the rule of the best defense is a good offense and you can clearly see him doing that over and over again, and look, procedure and process matters.

the republicans, i think, have a legitimate beef when they stand up and say that he should be treated fairly. he should be able to call witnesses. they should be able to cross examine those witnesses. process matters, and i don't know. it just makes it look like this whole thing is more and more political. neil: well, i think you're right about this, guy if you're going to cast this on the president you want to make sure that everyone's argument passes the scrutiny test and that applies to those who were doing the investigation. i mean that was one thing harold ed in the watergate hearings that eventually both sides were fully meated out committee chairman, from the house, and certainly sam urban in the senate worked very very hard to do that and got the other side to go along, so far it's all one way. weird. >> that's right, and you know, the thing that i don't like see ing, and again, i'm convinced that this impeachment is out to a prosecution which i did for a long, long time and as a

prosecutor, i never went on the news every night and talked about, you know, the merits, i didn't leak out stuff. we didn't try, all of this stuff where if you're the american people, if you're the jury, which is what they are, they are the jury. they look at this and they say you know, i don't like this. i may not be 100% in agreement with the president or how he did it, but i don't like the process , i don't like the procedure, i don't think that it's fair, and they're not going to go with them on this. neil: yeah, well that could be a crucial test, the environment and whether people think the president will be in the economic market environment would save bill clinton if you think about it. guy lewis a real pleasure thank you for taking the time. >> yes, sir. neil: in the meantime, speaker nancy pelosi just telling the president, you know, the impeachment thing that i'm pursuing let's not let it get in the way of other things we should be doing. how is that going? s amazing. with moderate to severe ulcerative colitis, are you okay?

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>> when the president says that he can't do anything, he has the threat of impeachment or the consideration of impeachment, i hope he doesn't mean that he doesn't want to work together to lower the cost of prescription drugs. neil: all right, i apologize, i jumped the gun on that anyway you heard house speaker nancy pelosi still looking to work with the president while working on getting rid of the president through impeachment, and nancy pelosi just said that she's interested in lowering prescription drug prices and working on the desperately- needed u.s. mca. she's inaprillable of working on either it is just camouflage for trying to win an election through impeachment, and the do- nothing democrats are stuck in the mud. so counting that as doubtful working with her. let's get the read on all of this with democratic strategist. >> [laughter] neil: we got trump 2020 advisory board member jenna ellis read, and new york city council, and

close friend of the president, joe border patrol borelli. so i don't believe when you guys say you want to work with me. >> i mean, can you blame president trump for being a little skeptic that someone whose trying to remove him from office might be genuinely interested in trying to move the country forward? the mca -- neil: but newt gingrich and republicans somehow were working with bill clinton in the middle of all of that. >> but nancy pelosi has been the speaker now for just about a year, almost a year, and what have democrats have to show for this entire time? i looked back at their press conference 200 days and there was nothing then. in the time since then there's nothing now. she doesn't want to go into the next election cycle with just impeachment having proved nothing that's why she's floating this idea of the u.s. m ca, floating the idea of a prescription drug. she could have done this all over the past five or six months they've never taken the actual steps. neil: and you agree with all of that? >> agreed. >> let's deal with facts, not

fiction. the fact of the matter is 250 pieces of legislation have passed the democratic majority house from hr-1 to weed out corruption fraud, and abusing the system of the universal background check including closing the loophole, and 90% of the american people, protecting pre-existing conditions, those are just a few. neil: let him finish. >> these are pieces of legislation that passed in a bipartisan way, that were now on hold in the senate, and when you talk about prescription drug prices, all you have to do is use your friend google and the democrats came out saying we want to do lower prescription drugs. the president, himself, the white house, elijah cummins went to the white house, met with trump and trump shut it down so don't tell me democrats -- neil: go ahead. >> i of course agree that nancy pelosi is caught in the middle here because she is playing to

the far left of her party and she won't call the vote on impeachment. neil: but she hopefully doesn't have to. >> but that's going against precedent. >> going against precedent here we go. >> let me finish she's going against all precedent before and she will not call a vote because she doesn't want to get her -- neil: but i think she knows she has the votes right? >> but then why won't she? >> maybe in trump district are embarrassed. neil: i understand. >> but to your point, i knew you were going to say that. unfortunately the job of being a legislator is not just to take your majority and pass some bills and move them half way down the field. the job of being a legislator is to work with the opposite side, in this case, republicans have a majority in the senate to work with the president, you need a signature and to actually legislate . passing your bills and doing some press deleases is not the full job. >> but the party of obstruction , the entire time they have not worked with the president. >> and deal with the facts.

>> that's not the talking point >> the fact of the matter is the bills that have passed the democratic house particularly the big picture ones all have overwhelming 60% of the american people, as democrats. neil: but do you think in the middle, but in the middle of this, do you think because usually, in the middle of impeachment hearings nothing else gets in the middle of those hearings, that's what i think the president is talking about. do you think in the middle of them, anything else is going to get done? >> i do, because let me tell you why. congress has a duty and a response. neil: well i know. >> to provide oversight so what i said to you on this show months ago was democrats will focus on investigating and these hearings. >> do you really think -- >> can i please finish my point these hearings have been connell:ly gathering information , that's what the inquiry is all about. neil: but a little disingenuinous, right? >> so in the midst of all of that bills have been passed that the american people -- neil: the only reason why i say disingenuinous that you can expand on this just to put it

into perspective, for example, what the we're seeing out of adam schiff isn't consistent but he said he never met with a whistleblower and it turns out that he had or at least the staff had. so he has been a little loosey g oosey on this subject so hearings is one thing and whether the president is getting a fair shake another thing what do you think? >> right and so this is where the democrats have not done actually anything other than trying to undermine the legitimate as it of this administration so even though they can to the that okay, we're going to put these legislative -- neil: well you as a republican, you're a republican? feel uncomfortable with some of the stuff the president has done >> not at all. and you know, when you go to the personal attacks, then you know you have no argument here, so what i'm comfortable with is the president is being fully transparent. neil: but he said publicly he's urging china to look into it, just a little weird. >> what law is that breaking and where is that going? article 2 section 4 there's nothing in the constitution.

neil: it might not be impeach able you know more about this than i do but it is awkward , right? >> but that's where the democrats are trying to go, by trying to say that everything president trump is doing, but how is that remotely impeachable >> let's go back to this summer politico front page of the magazine, biden, inc. the new yorker let leaning magazine, and they all covered this controversy, this scandal it was legitimate until trump said something, trump started to question it, trump as you pointed out, article 2 makes him the chief legal officer of our country, not the attorney general, that's the power. neil: so investigate both. neil: look at that relationship a little bit better than we did in the past and then look at the president. >> let me step back for a second. the president of the united states said to his staff, withhold aid to a foreign

country so withholding aid to a foreign country, and then the same president was on the phone. he released a transcript, a version, not the full blown conversation, and by the way it's on another server, somewhere that said we don't know about, saying asking a foreign power to jeopardize, i'm sorry investigate his political opponent. republicans are going off the cliff and bill clinton meeting on the tarmac with loretta lynch neil: look at it. >> it's clear. it's going to happen. >> what is the problem with the president of the united states asking an allie to investigate. neil: but it's his opponent. >> why now? why now? why now? neil: it's awkward, right? >> then what you're saying is if somebody doesn't want to be investigated for corruption. neil: would he do it if it weren't joe biden, if it's a no- name democrat?

>> absolutely. neil: we're going to go a little bit more. >> why now? why now? why not know months ago? neil: we'll take a quick break and when we come back you know the democratic presidential candidate bernie sanders wants to wipe out billionaires but how is that sitting with billionaire s? mark cuban is concerned, after this. what you're doing? [sighs defeatedly] (grover) do not worry, sir. i also fix cars! (burke) seen it. covered it. at farmers insurance, we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. ♪ bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum

neil: mark cuban what do you make of that what bernie is trying to do, what elizabeth warren and their versions of these wets taxes? >> well i don't mind paying more taxes. i think after a military service it's actually patriotic to pay taxes but i'm more interested in how they spend it because the reality is if it's bernie, if it's elizabeth warren, they are going to max out how much they charge us, right? and with our taxes or how much we'll pay, but then what are

they going to do with it? with all of these proposals they are putting out there they have them prioritized. neil: remember mark cuban is not a republican here, anything but, but is he right on this issue? do we need to know how those dollars are going to be spent in other words the criticism he had is some of those prominent democratic economists are far more creative coming up with ways to get revenue than policing how we spend that revenue, economic advisor to president ronald regan, who also voted for bill clinton because he likes the kind of things he had, art laffer with us right now, art good to see you. >> good morning, neil how are you? neil: very good my friend thank you for joining us. art, what mark cuban is saying no fan of the president is that accountability, whether you're going after the rich, or wall street tax, he's open to either or both, not a fan of either or both, but he's open to it, if you could prove that you're going to get ahead on spending do you think that'll ever happen >> no, i don't think it'll happen at least not in any time

soon. but mark cuban is completely correct. how you spend the money really matters. also, what mark cuban said was that he doesn't mind paying more taxes. he didn't say higher tax rates which i think is really important here, but we know, neil from history is whenever you reduce the tax rates on the top 1% or the very top, revenues increase, they don't go down, they rise, so if you want to collect more taxes from the upper income groups, you want to lower tax rates not raise them and this is true of kennedy, and true of ronald regan, it's completely true across time, and they just don't talk about that. i'd like more taxes from the rich too. neil: well people who advised president barack obama and said well in this go-around with these, that didn't happen and that the republicans are doubling down, and even if it was true and art laffer is saying, you know, why do we have these in the worst deficits, you say? >> sure, because of spending.

i mean what mark cuban says is the spending is the real problem here. if you look at the tax revenues from the 2017 tax cuts from december, revenues have been just fine, especially if you look at total revenues. now corporate revenues are way down, neil that's what they cut but all of the other revenues are way up and if you look at state and local we've had a fine pattern of revenues coming in, much better than the people forecasted, which is what i thought would happen and it has, because of a strong economy. that strong economy is due almost exclusively to the tax bill and deregulation. neil: art laffer thank you very very much always good to have you. thank you very much. >> oh, that's okay i've been short all my life, neil. neil: [laughter] you haven't aged a day. all right, art laffer thank you very much, from ronald regan, to now this president, all right well the drip drip drip of the ukraine sending joe biden's cash going south. i mean, real south, after this. ♪

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♪ ♪ neil: it is a drip, drip, drip that could become a drain. the 2020 presidential hopeful named joe biden is not only slipping in the polls, he's also slipping in fundraising. a lot of that could be tied to the you crane mess, but a lot of this was happening before that came to light. hillary vaughn break it all down. >> reporter: hey, neil. joe biden's lead is chipping away in the polls, and donors are not chipping in as much to his campaign. according to the real clear politics of polls, biden's lead is now slim with 26% of voter support, just barely ahead of senator elizabeth warren who has 24%. biden's support dropped about 4% according to the real clear politics average between september 22nd and october 2nd. but when it comes to campaign

cash, bernie sanders is the front-runner, raising over $25 million between july and september, in the third quarter. biden came up $10 million short compared to that, raising just $15 million over the summer. but biden, unlike bernie, the has been busy holding high dollar fundraisers behind closed doors but till not raking in as much as bernie sanders. out in the open, biden continues to defend his campaign from swirling controversy around his son hunter's business deals in ukraine. president trump wants to investigate. biden claims he knew nothing about his son hunter's overseas business dealings, but this photo shows the former vp golfing with hunter and his business partner. i asked biden about the photo. there's a photo of you golfing with your son hunter and his business partner, devon archer. do you stand by your statement that you did not discuss any of your son's overseas business?

>> yes, i stand by that statement. there's been no indication of -- i'm not going to respond to that. let's focus on the problems. focus on this man. >> reporter: biden's democratic rivals are focused on possible corruption in the trump administration, but when i asked them if they're also focused on possible corruption in the obama/biden white house, they were not as interested. >> leave joe biden alone. >> he's taking an honest and honorable public servant and trying to muddy their reputation. >> reporter: so biden continues to hold these fundraisers, neil, behind closedded doors, but candidates like bernie sanders and elizabeth warren continue to rake in a lot more cash from a lot more people with a smaller amount. neil? neil: hillary vaughn, thank you very much. the problem, of course, that hillary alluded to was getting to be an issue before joe biden before, again, any of this

ukrainian stuff came to light. so what does that all mean? back with us, antjuan seawright and joseph borelli. antjuan, you are looking at the importance of south carolina deciding this, and the former vice president's already said in no uncertain terms iowa, new hampshire, not writing them off, but writing them off. south carolina's going to be the battleground that's going to restart my race. does this complicate things? the slowdown in fundraising? >> keep in mind as related to fundraising, warren and sanders enjoy the title of u.s. senator, so they've been aggressively building a strong database of -- neil: former vice president of the united states. >> different. he's been out of the game for a little while, and they have a unique fundraising base of grassroots -- neil: he doesn't have a grassroots. >> that's my point. it doesn't surprise me they've outraised him. people in the media wanted to --

neil: [inaudible] >> the firewall, south carolina, most of the states look like that, and unless there's a breakdown in the democratic party, joe biden is still well positioned to do well in this race. neil: you know, the big rap against biden was he looked good from afar, his two prior runs were not to write home about. of course, everything changed when barack obama picked him to be his running mate. so i understand the trepidation. but is there something more to it, the fact that his fundraising is petering out and maybe he didn't have the base, but that alone could be telling you something. what do you think's going on? >> yeah. i think there is a multitude of factors here. this originally was joe biden's to lose, although he is a failed candidate. but he did not perform well in the first democratic debates --

neil: he keeps weathering it, right? i mean -- he's still up there. >> because he's a little bit more moderate than the progressive left is, and all of the other candidates that are so far left they're almost falling off the stage. he looks at least a little bit more reasonable, so i think that was why still had some popularity. if you look at the corruption investigation, this is so plainly obvious that there is something to in that i think that people -- neil: [inaudible] did breed a lot of this. >> the corruption investigation is not helping him -- neil: all right. we're looking at that, and that could be something that waves back and forth. i know a lot of his big donors have hit the limit for the primary season, so he can't hit them up again. i get that. is it your sense that the president's fixation on joe biden and whether he was going with this ukraine thing to go after joe biden, many disagree with that, but that he wanted to

make sure the stake was in the heart of joe because he thinks he could trounce elizabeth warren or bernie sanders? >> well, i think joe biden has a different type of appeal than elizabeth warren and bernie sanders -- neil: wider, right many. >> don't forget the significant and serious allegations about hunter biden's role with his -- neil: back to joe biden, do you think whatever happens with this ukraine thing that the president is delighted if biden is not the nominee? they seem to think elizabeth warren with her wealth tax, all this other stuff, is very easily beatable, it would be like a george mcgovern. >> i think there's an easy case to be made about why elizabeth9 warren shouldn't be the president of the united states. but i think the president and his team were already seeing the wheels falling off the biden train long before. the front-runner, by definition, shouldn't be writing off the first two primaries. >> [inaudible] >> in your experience -- neil: well, he has given up on

iowa and new hampshire. let me ask -- i'm sorry. i was trying to can ask whether there was a time when the democratic nominee went on to capture the nod without winning iowa or new hampshire i couldn't think of at least a post-world war ii situation. so having said that, do you worry -- if he really believes that, i remember a guy named rudolph giuliani running who wrote off new hampshire, putting all his eggs in florida, it didn't work. >> i was on that campaign, neil. neil: that was the problem right there. >> they wanted me to drive a truck from new hampshire to florida because that was the firewall. it didn't work out. >> let me say a few things. every national poll we've seen has joe biden winning states donald frump carried before. that's -- donald trump carried before. that's why you see this effort to wear him down as they did with hillary with the e-mail scandal. a win looks different in different places. if he wins by two points in iowa, they're going to say he's in trouble, right? >> [inaudible] >> let me finish my point.

you've never done a democratic -- >> of course i haven't, because -- [inaudible conversations] >> if he does well in iowa, he does well in new hampshire, he does what he needs to do in nevada, firewall in south carolina, he runs the table from there. white working class voters have always been joe biden's strength. so when he gets to south carolina, african-american voters, most of the supertuesday states follow -- super tuesday states follow, he's well positioned. he doesn't have to win this -- neil: i don't know. you know this stuff far better than i, but i know a little bit, and it's an uphill climb. having said that though, do you get a sense that that was the rub against giuliani. he would go to these states, put the emphasis -- [inaudible] and it hurt him. >> yeah, absolutely -- [inaudible conversations] >> i think biden is self-imploding, and he is hurting, and this is not just because the president is attacking him. you want to deal in facts, the

facts are that this corruption investigation should happen, and that was already on the record, and it was public in the media well before, you know, he was even -- neil: is this a way of republicans deflecting from what the president's doing? >> not at all. neil: yards with, joe and what he did -- in other words, joe what -- >> not at all. this is the democrats bringing this forward, and they're the ones trying to shove this impeachment narrative that, by the way, the american people don't want -- neil: i know -- >> [inaudible] >> when you know in this president dodged a lot of trouble with the mueller report which is all about involving a foreign power -- >> there wassing nothing there. neil: fine, i'm not here to dispute it with you. i'm here to say to even entertain the thought of another foreign power in still another foreign election, that does raise issues. >> this is about the election though. this is about the former vice president, a former vice president who in all likelihood --

neil: i think even you don't believe that. >> neil, i mean, come on. this is something -- neil: i think there's enough to look at both sides there. >> cavuto -- neil: i love when you call me cavuto. it's like madonna. laugh. >> trump has been since -- joe biden was not running for president. if he cared so much, why wait until now when polls show him getting beaten like a drum by joe biden? neil: we could go back and forth -- [inaudible conversations] we shall see. okay. in the meantime, we have the bernie sanders situation, the health scare. under the out to be a heart attack. once again they're going to focus on age of a candidates. when i look at age, i always say the closer i get to that age, the less should be made. but having said that, is it going to be an issue? not only bernie sanders but joe bide season and what he forgets and donald trump and how he -- >> you know, most of this fundraising quarter was done

before this whole ukraine thing, and there were serious questions about joe biden's fitness for running for office -- neil: what about bernie sanders? >> bernie sanders has been fighting for a socialist america for so long that i don't believe -- neil: you don't think age should be an issue. >> i think he's coming back from this harder than ever, pushing the message, going crazy. >> i pray for the senator, for a speedy recovery. i have a family member who just had a similar scenario, and it's not easy. i would encourage him take your time, get back in this thing. i don't think you can count him out. his first tweet after he announced he had a heart attack was medicare for all. so i don't want to criticize or condemn anybody, i want him to do well, i want his health to be contained because at the end of the day -- neil: do you think in a political sense this has hurt his cause, people will be scrutinizing -- >> i think people are going to pause for concern, rightsly so. not because they're worried about politics, but you're

worried about somebody's health. that's important. neil: and i appreciate the difference. full disclose your, i had a triple bypass, a lot of people were sending me very nice notes and were surprised i had a heart. i appreciate that. people do look at you differently, and i'm wondering if that -- again, i'm being very crass about it -- helps an elizabeth warren who's a spunky 70-year-old. >> well, you know, the beauty of the vote given to the american people is that we can base our criteria on whatever we want, right? for some people, if they want to factor that in, that is their right -- neil: think about it, the most prominent names being mentioned are all over 70. >> i don't think age should be a factor here. >> no place for pete buttigieg -- neil: no, no. >> what does he actually qualify for? this is something where people, i think, the american people want someone who they respect as a leader, and so they're going to put their -- neil: age has nothing to do wit,

right? >> age isn't factor. i don't care about the age of my pilot -- neil: you're 25 years old. >> i wish i was. i got gray hairs. look, the one thing i've seen through all of this and maybe because i'm personally attached to it, i was so frustrated. hillary had a fainting incident during the last election, and the media went crazy about it, right? and now here we are in the similar scenario, and everyone's like, oh, it's just fine. i think we just have to be measured -- neil: well, that's why politicians of all sorts even -- remember president roosevelt didn't want to show the world his health problems. that's something that's been existing -- >> i just think we should be measured. neil: i think you're right. >> campaigns are not easy. i come from somebody who's been doing it for 15 years. it's ware and tear, and that's why you have to take care of your body can and -- >> look at the president, leading up to 2016 was doing seven or eight rallies a day, speaking for an hour, hour and 15 minutes can be. neil: what i admire about him is

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neil: be careful what you wish for, as democrats ramp up their impeachment push against president trump, a new warning for democrats from a clinton republican who regrets it. congressman, good of you to give us a little history lesson here. your regret is that you went too far or republicans were too zealous? help me out with this. >> well, i think in retrospect it was a mistake to impeach bill clinton because, you know, the substance of the matter really wasn't all that essential to the nation. so i think we were really sort of blinded by our dislike of

president clinton. and in retrospect, i wish we hadn't done it, yeah. neil: some of your colleagues at the time say what you will about bill clinton, he did lie under oath, he perjured himself saying he didn't have a relationship with this woman, monica lewinsky, and that is a big no-40 no. you can't lie. you can't perjure yourself. i guess you and a couple of to others i've talked to said did it mean throwing him out of office, you say now not. >> well, yeah. and i think the contrast with what we're dealing with with purpose is the allegations against president trump are really far more serious. they involve abuse of power, abuse of the office. so it's a much more serious inquiry than what we were dealing with. i think we sort of spun out perjury and obstruction of justice. those were a little bit hard

counts to make. two of the counts failed. back then i voted for all four counts. but now in retrospect, i think what we could have seen it really didn't go to heart of the operation of the united states. however, what we're dealing with here with president trump does go to the heart of american foreign policy -- neil: so republicans say that this is nothing and that this is a witch hunt or whatever, the president himself says that, you disagree with that? >> i do. i think that they need to -- elected republicans need to find the courage to speak truth to the president, to his supporters and to our republican base that it's not okay for the president of the united states to hold up support for a country that's at war with russia in order to achieve perhaps -- if that can be proven -- an advantage in an

american political race. neil: so what do you think, congressman, of people like mitt romney who challenge that get treated for being, you know, called asses or incompetent or they blew it, that they know there's going to be the wrath of the president and a lot of hell to pay? >> yeah. i think what we've got to do is we've got to have the historical perspective knowing that presidents come and go, you know? george bush, i think he was a good president, but he sort of took interventionism with him when he left the stage. donald trump is going to leave office one way or another, either that he gets impeached or that he loses in 2020 or that he leaves four years later, but he's going to leave office. the question is what legacy does that leave for the republican party, and did we speak truth to president and to his base and to our base, or did we go along with something that's later quite embarrassing? neil: very interesting. congressman, thank you for

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congressman, good to have you back. >> good to be back, mr. cavuto. thank you for having me. neil: i have you back because you keep calling me mr. cavuto. neil is fine, but whatever. you just heard from a former republican congressman who says republicans might rue the day they resisted this when they should have an open ear to this and that this is about getting to the bottom of what the president's doing. there may be nothing there, but it's worth exploring. what do you say to that? >> well, i thought he spoke well when he talked about the current president, president trump. the president dispatched his unofficial minister, mr. giuliani, to ukraine. he is not a person paid by the taxpayers, hasn't been confirmed by the senate. he was there to get dirt on the bidens. and at the time he was there, the president was withholding hundreds of millions of dollars

in funds that ukraine needed to fend off the russians. that's impeachable. neil: all right. well, we don't know that for sure, to be fair, congressman, so we can't convict -- >> well, i have the proof. neil: well -- >> well, i do have evidence of it in my hand, if i may share it with you quickly. neil: go ahead. >> i have, first, the memo, the july 25th phone memo where the president of ukraine says, "one of my assistants spoke with mr. giuliani just recently." this is in the memo. and then you -- i hate to mention a competitor, but on mr. cuomo's program, chris cuomo on thursday, september 19th, here's what occurred. mr. cuomo said, "so you did ask ukraine to investigate biden." and, of course, mr. giuliani said, "of course." this is important because i happen to have one other thing in my hand, this is washington's

farewell address -- neil: i'm not here to play perry mason with you, congressman, but other text came to light that the ukrainians knew nothing about this money, and neither did the white house. there are others that dispute that. leaving that potential investigation out of it, it might reinforce it or put it to rest, you have been after this president from the very beginning, you don't think he was a good leader, and now many in of your party for other reasons have since come to conclusion -- and maybe it was this ukrainian thing, feeling confident that it will stick -- who are of an impeachment mind. do you think there should just be a vote to allow something like that to proceed? the perception is that nancy pelosi a is a afraid of doing that. >> thank you. i, of course, respected you is and gave you the courtesy of interrupting, but i have to make this comment, mr.-- if i may. neil: you were going to call me

cuomo, weren't you? >> almost. my apologies. i wouldn't want to insult you in any way. neil: wonderful man. >> i have to finish this comment, it won't take a minute. the evidence is here. it's empirical and it's available. now, there will always be those who will dispute the evidence -- neil: part of the evidence. not all of it. >> well, well, you can bring the rest of it before me then. but here's the point, george washington in his farewell address, i happen to have a copy of it too. here's what he said. he said stay woke, by the way. he said against the insidious wiles of foreign influence, i conjure you to believe me, fellow citizens. the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful fools of republican government. foreign influence. the president is constantly ine

violating foreign influence; invited the russians, invited the chinese, the ukraines. the president does this. this is unacceptable. now, to answer your question should there be a vote, i think the members have gone on record, more than 218 indicating that they support the inquiry. i have no reason to believe that they wouldn't vote as they are on record indicating that they would do so. so it would not offend me if we had the vote, but the constitution doesn't require it, and the fact that in two occasions, in '68 with the former president clinton and also with nixon we did it, but in 1868 we didn't do that with andrew johnson. it was in 1998 with clinton -- i said '638. neil: do you hold the same foreign standards that everything must, you know, be on the up and up to the former vice president when it had his ties

with his son hunter to dealings out of ukrainian, the natural gas company? do you think that has been adequately looked into or do you think it's worth a continued look? if you're going to pursue the president on this, pursue the guy who wants to be the president on what he was doing at the time that he was vice president. >> well, my opinion counts for a little, but i would count the opinions of those who have already investigated this thoroughly on multiple occasions -- neil: it actually hasn't been investigated. >> well, that's an opinion, and i respect yours, but the president at the time, vice president at the time was calling for the prosecutor to be fired, this is truement but it was because -- this is true. but it was because the prosecutor wasn't aggressively investigating at the time. but that as it may, i think that we cannot allow a president to bring foreign -- neil: but you're open to looking

at that as well in part of this process. i mean, if it's unseemly for one, it would be unseemly for the other. >> well, whether i'm open to it or not, my suspicion is that the president's going to continue. he's demonstrated that he does not respect norms. neil: all right. congressman, very good of you to come in on a saturday. we appreciate that. >> thank you. neil: in the meantime, the crackdown in hong kong, how do you think it ends? what if i told you from someone who who survived tiananmen square not well? after this. i'm really into this car,

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♪ ♪ neil: all right. rail service in hong kong suspended today, demonstrators defying a ban on wearing maskings. a tiananmen square survivor joins me right now. rose was nice enough to come in on a saturday. we had enormous reaction to her appearance a few days ago on fox in which you had said, rose, that when push comes to shove, the chinese will respond the only way that they ultimately do to these type of incidents. through military force. so do you think that the protesters defying this mask ban is a sign that they're going to do just that? >> yes. they'll keep defying it. what the hong kong government's top lead, carrie lam, has been doing so far is to keep exacerbating the problems and basically inciting more violence, encouraging them and

endorsing all violence from the police. neil: all right. so she is the chief executive of hong kong, but you're pretty sure she's getting her orders from china that. >> yes. neil: and they ordered to say don't wear masks is a way that the chinese government targets and knows the protesters. they know that, so they're certainly not going to take off their masks, so how does this end? >> it's going to end very badly, going much worse, much faster than we had expected. i was hoping things would get better but not. a 14-year-old boy was shot by an off-duty police officer among the skirmishes. and the video is pretty ugly, and for the entire saturday, all the subway system is shut down. most of the shopping malls are closed down, and the chinese-owned banks are closed

because the people are calling out for the closing of their bank accounts in any state of banks which is, i think, will be a very effective way. and and people are defying the facial maxes because this facial mask ban is very is weird measure, very draconian measure because carrie lam has to invoke 1920s colonial era, what's it called, the emergency regulations ord narches to -- ordinance to give her speeching executive powers to do anything she wants in emergency situations -- neil: which means rounding these protest theres up -- protesters up who are wearing the masks. >> already. neil: you were there in tiananmen square. you were a young woman at the time, and i think we have pictures of those days. i think a couple of these taken weeks before the 1989 massacre.

>> that was just one day after martial law was declared. neil: all right. and everyone stayed in place when they were told to break up. tanks were involved, we know, they say hundreds were killed but you say it's more like thousands, right in. >> tens of thousands, according to released u.k. diplomatic wires quoting senior chinese officials, and dunn jaw ping -- dunn xiaoping famously said on record to then-sing borne prime minister yu that 20,000 to 200,000 changed 20 years of stability and prosperity. neil: the difference is, rose, you hear that, wait a minute, china's an economic power, juggernaut today. it wouldn't risk the wrath of the world and business doing

something like that now. >> what's the risk for them? they have infiltrated every, pretty much every aspect of open western democratic society. we're talking about them harassing pro-hong kong, pro-democracy demonstrators over the last few months around the world in all the major cities -- neil: so people would still do business with china, they'd still want to be in china's good economic graces. >> it's about the money. and who's going to stop them? none of the world's government leaders, multi-nationals, the, you know, they have interests in china -- neil: so you don't buy, hey, we'll sanction them like we do with russia for invading crimea, you don't think we'll do that in response? >> i would hope so. neil: you doubt it. >> this is the time when the president shows who's boss. neil: how do you think the president's handling the trade talks? >> well, the president would keep, should keep pressing

china. it's not just about the trade deal. i think the president should ban the export of the police gear, tear gas canisters to china, keeping work with the u.n., the world trade organization to keep the international pressure on china really to show china who's boss. america should show china what democracy should be like, and china should not -- or hong kong government should not use brutality or violence to crush people's basic desire for human rights -- neil: but they will. you think if this keeps going, you will. >> they will. it's in their nature to kill people. >> rose tang, tiananmen square survivor. we'll have more after this.

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is probably helping it. jackie deangelis has more. >> good to see you, neil. the joker did premiere nationally this weekend and breaking records bringing in $39.9 million so far. that was including its thursday preview and, actually, the big opening day ever in october history. now, the film features joaquin phoenix as the joker, also stars robert deniro, but it's opening. >> >> ruledded in controversy a amidst major security concerns over copycat violence. joaquin phoenix, the iconic villain is mentally ill, depictions of graphic and random violence. new york city added law enforcement at theaters, i saw them there yesterday, counterterrorism officers, to help curb potential violence. in defending the film, the movie's director, todd phillips, reminds the public that the story occurs in a fictional world, and warper brother -- warner brothers say it's not the intention of the studio to hold

the character up as a hero. some theaters banned face painting xmasingings -- painting and masks, but it does remind people of the shooter in aurora, colorado, 12 years ago. it speaks to country about gun violence and mental illness as well. neil: i believe they're not showing it at that particular theater. right now, and jackie will be joining us here in this discussion, but jonah and garrett on the fallout. you know, jonas, this is not the first time a movie has been targeted for going too far and maybe encouraging the very violence that it features. and a lot of people remember the aurora shooting incident, as jackie pointed out, as the reason for that. what do you think of this whole back and forth? art or, you know, egging on? >> well, i saw it at midnight last night, and there were police there. i don't know if they were there for the doughnuts or the protection, but they were definitely there look around the snack area. to me, i saw the movie.

i was expecting it to be more scary in the way of these shooters and all the press end attention. to me, the story that was more disturbing that isn't getting the attention is how it's really like a class warfare rebellion. that's really what was going on in the movie at the end where the clowns were all coming back. and there's actually several movies this year with that scope whether it's hustlers against the wall street guys, and that's a common theme in the toronto film festival this year -- neil: regardless what you think of it, would you be against encouraging a ban on it? >> yeah, i definitely -- i never like limiting video games or movies. not saying people aren't influenced, i just don't like -- neil: we're just learning right now that a credible threat targeting joker screenings forced a huntington beach theater to close. others have had sporadic instances of this where where they've just decided not to show it.

they're few and far between, but this is the latest. do you think that's wise? >> well, look, that is the exception to rule. last week i went to the movies, and i asked the people at the movies about what are you going to do when the joker comes occupant. oh, we're beefing it up. so there's definitely -- neil: beefing it up? >> the police presence. but i have to tell you last night i'm at a bar with my family -- i don't drink. people walked in dressed up as the joker. if you look at the movie's signs, they're playing every 45 minutes, and they're doing two movies at a time. there is strong demand for it. rotten tomatoes, 92% favorability by people seeing it. that's what matters most. and everybody is talking about it and that's why you are seeing records. and there's going to be controversy, there's going to be talk about if it's too much or not, but the bottom line is warner brothers is smiling this morning as the numbers come out. neil: well, i know at a number of theaters are saying, all

right, we don't want you to come dressed up. i guess the shooter, in the case of aurora, was or threatened them. but it's gotten people -- is that justified? >> it definitely was. i wanted to see the film. i'm surprised you did go to midnight showing -- >> it's doing very well. >> that's the point. >> speaking of the numbers, it could gross $90 million for the weekend, and that would be huge, and that might even be with people deterred from going to see it. so it's sort of missing some sales in there. what i really think is the issue is the movie is free enterprise, right? we don't want to ban free enterprise and even the expression of art. but should the local authorities, should the federal authorities be protecting free enterprise in that way, protect civilians and spend money to protect the theaters? because people are going as patrons, that's really where, i think, the rub is. neil: how far do you push it? how do you address that? >> i don't think b in needs to be a a heightennenninged police

presence. people seem to be having a lot of fun there, sure. i don't think it was are a very comic bookis y movie, if you didn't know it was the comic book story, it was a good movie. again, i don't -- i think it's other, we're overplaying the shooter potential. neil: but for good reason. they have had happened, and, you know, people forget whether in the gun debate and all in that violent films, games, there's a large swath of the population believes they contribute to these. be that as it may, where do you think this goes? >> i think the movie's going to do a lot of money. warner brothers is going to make a lot of money. it'll be out of the theaters in three or four weeks and we'll keep our fingers crossed that everything's covered. just keep in mind the movie theaters themselves are the ones that are making decisions, and i also -- the mayor of orlando was in my building this week, and he was asked about that. he goes we are cognizant of it.

so from mayors -- neil: that something could happen. >> they're watching, they the understand this is important. >> most hollywood movies have violation. neil: all right. we're going to have a lot more after this. the latest on north korea too. they're saber rattling again. i mean bigtime. what are you doing back there, junior?

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neil: welcome back, everybody. i want to update you what's going on in hong kong. as i told you, the government had a crackdown there that said you can't is have masks, the protesters are are defying that order, tens of thousands showing up with the masks. the chinese authorities, at least the hong kong authorities working through china, we're told, have been saying we're going to i throw you in the colin if you do. and that's the process we are looking at right now.

this is coming to us live in hong kong. they're 12 hours ahead of the east coast, so it's 11:53 p.m. there right now. what do we do with all this? a survivor of tiananmen square says, yeah, it could happen all over again. retired air force general, if you'll indulge me on what we should do, there are a lot of people saying it's going to get violent, and, you know, that's just inevitable. what do you think? >> well, it's can -- it's difficult to anticipate exactly what's going to happen, but this does underline the importance of what's going on in the pacific, and it getses -- gets even more complex when one takes into consideration negotiations with china that are about to be

continued in terms of trade. neil: do you think some of this should be part of those discussions, you know, cool it how you're handling these protests? i don't know what we say or do, but this should be part of the thing that we negotiate? >> listen, neil, i don't want to get into the negotiators' business, but i would suggest to you that it's not a matter of if, it is certainly an option that will be considered and, i'm sure, discussed in the con text of those negotiations. neil: you know, it seems, general, as well as the chinese are sort of flouting this and that they'll deal with this on their own terms much as the north koreans are continuing these missile tests, almost a different one every week. sort of playing games with us despite the love letters and everything ls. how do you think the two are linked? >> they're linked not in a

direct way. it's a complex question, but if i can get to the heart of the north korean issue which was highlighted this week as you mentioned with the launching of a sub-launched ballistic missile test, this weekend the u.s. and north koreans are reentering negotiations to move forward on the issue of nuclear weapons testing as well as delivery means. now, what i'd tell you at the heart of the issue is that a what we need to do, united nations, the united states, is figure out a way to convince the north korean regime that it is, in fact, in their best interest to halt nuclear weapons testing and delivery means. neil: all right. >> that's not going to happen all at one time, however, so we need to put in place a longer term strategy with short-term,

intermediate-term and long-term objectives. neil: got it. general, thank you very much, and thank you for updating us on what you think we should be looking at with hong kong. the troops are moving, and they are letting it be known protests will not be tolerated, masks will not be tolerated. the battle is on and the world is watching. fox continues. (splash) carl, can you remind me what you've invested my money in? it's complicated. are you asking enough questions about the way your wealth is being managed? if not, talk to schwab. a modern approach to wealth management.

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