"outnumbered" starts right now. speaking to fox news alert , new action as a second whistleblower comes forward claiming to have firsthand knowledge of some of the allegations of the ukraine call controversy. that, according to the original whistleblower's attorney, saying his new client have also spoken with the counterintelligence community inspector general. president trump treating his critics have had to go to the bench to bring in a new whistleblower after the first one was very wrong about has called with the presidents. while bookers lawmakers are divided over this new developing. >> with additional facts and then the additional whistleblower, that has frozen a lot of republicans in place out of fear they don't know what is going to drop next. i think it gives added urgency to the beach and inquiry. >> it does not matter. this person is going to say, "yep, this president had this

phone call, and yep, that's a transcript." which i care about what his judgment of the transcript is? you and i can read it. >> melissa: this, as president trump is expected to send a letter to house speaker nancy pelosi as soon as today, daring her to hold a full house vote on impeachment inquiry. this is "outnumbered" and i mows a princess. we will bring it to the couch at this moment. first, let's go to chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge, left on capitol hill with more. catherine? >> melissa, good morning. we are learning more about the intelligence community inspector general, michael atkinson's, closed-door interview in the secured facility behind the on friday. we know is that atkinson told lawmakers he had no first-hand or direct information about the whistleblower's contacts with the democratic-led house intelligence committee staff. the thought whistleblower on the disclosure forms had left those sections about congressional contact blank, and that he knewe

had only based on media reporting. what we also learned about atkinson's closed-door interview with lawmakers as he described how he conducted a preliminary investigation into the whistleblower complaint to determine its credibility. he told lawmakers that he interviewed a handful of individuals. we are told four witnesses, including two supervisors, for the whistleblower. and an individual who may or may not be one of the supervisors who had more direct access or even handling of the transcript of that july 25th phone call. over the weekend, the lawyer for the whistleblower confirmed on twitter that a second individual has come forward, but that same law firm, compass road, has not been responsive to our requests about why their client withheld this information about the contact with the house intelligence committee, and what additional information they can provide about their client's work history. prior work history, with a

current prominent democratic politician. also, in the last few minutes, we have had a statement from kurt volker. he was the former special representative to ukraine who also spoke to lawmakers behind closed doors on thursday. he is stepping down from the mccain institute. that statement raise the recent media focus on myrick as the u.s. are presented for ukraine negotiations, risks beig indiscretion from the accompaniment and the center of the institute, and therefore i am stepping down." finally, you can expect to see more reports this week from republicans for the release of these transcripts. not just from volker, but also from atkinson on friday. the person who really controls that is the democratic chairman, because under the existing rules he puts it to a committee vote. if the majority, he releases it for criticism. you can imagine from republicans that these transcripts are not especially helpful to the whistleblower narrative, if you

will. and that's why they have not been public to date, melissa. >> melissa: catherine herridge come out thank you so much. here today, my partner, harris faulkner. host of "kennedy" on the fox business network, kennedy. fox news contributor, jessica tarlov. in joining us on the couch, fox & friends, host and fox news radio host, brian kilmeade. he's "outnumbered." what is your take on this? >> brian: the only thing catherine added this morning, the specter in general did note that is not only a democrat come aboard freedom cart. however this was a blur is, didn't have direct knowledge. my sense is, if this person, this whistleblower, the one who heard it directly, is just going to talk about the call, it's no problem. if he's going to say "there is a series calls that really offered me, and the first whistleblower prompted me to do more," that could be the issue. it could lead to requests for putting transcripts, the poland leader, the italian leader.

i could cascade. maybe the president took the rug out from under him from coming up and saying, "but we, here's the transcript." >> harris: when the president came out a few days ago, octobeh president was visiting, "not only was there called him we had sonographers taking it down word for word." we know it wasn't word for word because it was a 30-minute call. even when i read it slowly and go to the bathroom in the middle and keep the clocks running, that's not 30 minutes of material. here's my point -- maybe the ukrainian translation factors then, i didn't have that in the bathroom. [laughter] maybe what i'm looking for is something that actually matches what the president said. he said that there would be all of it there. but there are ellipses. i have questions about that. there shouldn't be any more than what it whistleblower has said. that's what the attorney aid has

said for both whistleblowers, that he can give first-hand knowledge to with the first i couldn't. as long as it's that, i wholeheartedly agree. let's just get that. kennedy, we have had gillian turner and others have done this very thing. and they said that it is two people from the the cia writing down every word that goes by. to say something was taken out as an insult to those people, is that? working hard on it? >> kennedy: though thing is weird. i don't know who to trust or believe. between the two of them, i should get some straight answers. it seems so hyper political that anything the democrats put out makes me very uncomfortable and skeptical from the get-go. which means we have to have some sort of an objective body, which is i guess why we lean the inspector general. we have so much -- like, the hyperbole, the hyperbole-2-fact ratio is so out of balance and we need to bring it back into balance. i don't know if this is

possible. we need many, many, many more facts of an dribs and drabs of, "this person maybe worked for a democrat, but we don't know if he can be gender-specific." >> harris: more words, not fewer. >> melissa: i don't trust anyone. i would ask this to jessica -- >> kennedy: and i think there are things the president has done that are also viewed. >> brian: i don't know what you're talking about! [laughter] >> melissa: can't trust anyone on either side of the aisle is a fair assessment. a senior member of the democratic caucus telling fox news how democrats believe they have 217 votes needed to pass articles of impeachment against president trump, stemming from his ukraine call even before their planned hearings on the investigation. but senate majority leader mitch mcconnell vowing to block an impeachment inquiry. watch this. >> there in the clutches of vote mild. they finally the way that impeachment stops is when a senate majority is

with me, the majority leader. >> melissa: it seems like we all know where this is going. the house with a peach, the senate want. just the timing benefit one side of the other? to the democrats want to go fast or slow? if the outcome is going to be the same -- because it seems like it will become a right? >> jessica: i don't know, there are many moving pieces. i know people like to mock mitt romney, i'm a rino and a loser and whatever, but mitt romney, in his statement, his condemnation of what the president did, the information about ukrainian calls and the chinese calls that came out on friday, which is clear that -- >> melissa: so you think you will be for impeachment? >> jessica: i'm not sure, but you need a few people to break the dam. if they are going to do this, they need to do it unified. you need a lot. you need 20 senators. that's not just a few people. to get the conversation going. i looked at this weekend as

being full of corroboration for the original story, for the whistleblower complaint and for the memorandum of the 5-minute read out. happened on that call. ten, with bathroom breaks. we found out there are multiple whistleblowers. we have the text messages from kurt volker's testimony. you have that ron johnson -- >> melissa: so you think the outcome -- we don't already know the outcome can make you think some senators could be persuaded that there could be real impeachment? >> kennedy: they've got the republican math right now. i don't think they are quite there, but i think what you are saying about mitt romney and ben sasse is very valid. they have to come as independent thinkers, give themselves some sort of political cover. they can't come out for the president because you don't have all the facts. if you think something strange went on here, and that is proven to be true later -- >> harris: we just want to know what happen. >> kennedy: ben sasse is right. we shouldn't trust governments

like the communist chinese, because he is absolutely right, they are taking people and throwing them into camps to die. >> melissa: congress needs to establish a motive before moving forward. this is a quote. "the mere facts for the quest for an investigation into the bidens without considering the circumstances of the request is not enough to impeach him. in order to prove trump abuse his presidential power to the point that he can no longer be trusted and exercising them. that is the constitutional standard for impeachment. congress must establish trump's intent in making the request." brian, one of the points -- and i've seen other people make this argument, and i don't know if you agree with it -- that he would have had to have been doing it solely for his own political benefit as opposed to wanting to investigate any sort of corruption because he is handing over my money and my taxpayer dollars to a corrupt government. that if there is any mixed in there, it's not impeachable. >> brian: a couple things --

on that, he is really thinking 2060 more than 2020. he is obsessed with the fact that no one has looked into what led to the mueller probe, hence the call takes place the next day, rudy giuliani said he was dispatched earlier to the ukraine to look into the origins of what happened with 2016. >> melissa: isn't ag barr doing it now? >> brian: yes, he is. but i agree with you, i don't think it was a great idea to put rudy giuliani through there. i personally don't think it would focus on 2016. but in his mind he's not thinking 2020, "have to get rid of joe biden." he is looking at, "what did this guy do? was he part of any type of plan to unearth me or tripping up?" number two, if this impeachment probe didn't get off to a great start, think about this -- behind closed doors, inspector general? nothing. emergency session, they had to have. they got nothing. then they go with kurt volker, who resigned. they think they have someone who will unearth the whole story. guess what? he really didn't do that. if you want proof, where is the

transcript? if you destroyed trump behind closed doors, it would have been everywhere. >> jessica: can i quickly add to that? he said he spoke some 2016, not 2020. dirt on 2016 can also be used for 2020. it is dirt, actually. because -- >> brian: find out what happened. >> jessica: there are conspiracy theories floated about ukraine being the actual perpetrators of the interference in 2016. that's why -- >> melissa: i don't want to give any more air to those kinds of conspiracy theories. >> jessica: that's what the president at rudy giuliani are talking about, not me. >> kennedy: one at a time! >> harris: i will get this out quickly, jessica, and you can have it back. democrats in the house are still missing eight votes if they do patient articles right now. in those areas where mitt romney was helping out by having one of those areas in 2012, democrats didn't even give him a thank you. what kind of political cover is therefore a republican who comes forth and says, "i can help you out in those districts where

democrats are weak." meanwhile, hollywood stores are reportedly coming out to help defend democrats from white house attacks, but can this impeachment task force actually move the needle? plus, joe biden launching a new offensive against president trump as questions about ukraine continued to dog his campaign can die. can the former vice president remained the democratic front runner? >> let's focus on the problem. focus on this man, what he's doing. but no president has ever done. no president. ♪ wow!

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role >> is not a conflict of interest. there's been no indication of any conflict of interest. from ukraine or anywhere else. period. i'm not going to respond to that. let's focus on the problem. focus on this man, what he's doing, that no president has ever done. no president. >> harris: joe biden lashing out and another reporter over a question regarding his son's business dealings in ukraine. the former vice president recently has urged the media to focus solely on president trump, and "abuse of power." this, as the biden campaign has unveiled a new 3-pronged strategy to enact the democratic nomination, including, one, fax of you train it on my ukraine controversy two, calling the present unhinge. three, focusing on issues that matter the most to voters, with guns cited as an example. brian kilmeade, you are shaking your head. i hope it wasn't at me.

>> brian: you can't heal people if you don't like the question, as much as we are to be too. we watched chuck todd do it because he didn't like the answer, and he watched joe biden for the second time in three weeks out somebody because it is like the question. it's not up to you. one thing about donald trump coming answers all the questions. if you can't answer how your son, coming off being expelled from the military with a drug problem, with no experience, got an energy deal with the country you were charged with by the president to actually oversee, that is your problem. it's not the press' problem. >> harris: there is kind of a visual difference from what you're saying. you are saying the president's time on the white house lawn, where reporters and he kind of shot back and forth and he stands there sometimes for like 45 minutes, as opposed to joe biden who is trying to shout on the question. if you just take a look at the strategy and the optics of it, what do you think it? >> melissa: there are facts that are not in dispute, and joe biden would be served by addressing them. his son was put on the board of

directors of a company run by a ukrainian oligarch under constant investigation paid is not a great look. he had no experience. in china, he was taking money in a private equity fund when he had absolutely no finance experience. i have covered private equity for 20 years, i've never seen the chinese give a billion dollars to a fund run by somebody who has zero investing track record. so i think that those facts are not in dispute, and joe biden would be well served by going out and addressing them. >> harris: interesting. here is joe biden in an op-ed, hitting at the president. "it is the same cynical playbook he returns to again and again, but this time it will work because the american people know me and they know him. i'm not going anywhere. he won't destroy me and you want destroy my family. come november 2020, i intend to be you like a drum." we do have breaking news on all of this. i'm going to ask our team in the booth now, to move forward with this. "the house democrats have now , in the last little bit, subpon

white house budget office for documents on delay of military aid to ukraine. so the omb and the pentagon have been subpoenaed in the house impeachment inquiry. anybody want a quick on that? >> kennedy: i will say there are people who were up in arms of the president was going to withhold aid to central american countries at the height of the border wall crisis. this is one area he has been pretty consistent about the questioning why the united states is giving so much for an aid to so many places, especially if they are going to corrupt regimes that aren't going to use millions and millions of dollars for good to enhance freedom. as a limited government liberty lover, that is a fine pursuit. >> jessica: we also have to look at the numbers. we give $1.3 billion, $1.6 billion to the european union. i think they have given over $16 billion. the present use that as a basked on not backtracking excuse after he had been found out that he

was withholding the aide. there are so many people saying there was quid pro quo with the assistance and the visit for president zelensky to come. if we just -- >> melissa: i don't know about fair share as much as i don't want my tax dollars going to corrupt governments. see five buddies making the point of the u.s. are holding ukraine's -- you too that's not it. why should we send our money to corrupt governments who are going to hold and not give it to the people? for example, look at what happened in iran. giving the money back to them, that was there it's the first place, that was supposed to help their population -- >> harris: that was more than corruption, though. they want to white people off the face of the earth and they continue to do that without money. >> melissa: so you have a responsibility to say, "as we are giving aid, are you going to use it what you say you are using for, or corruption?" >> jessica: i'm happy to do that right now. mitt romney hit the nail on the head when he said that if the president is concerned about public corruption he is only

talking but one person. you always say public corruption of the biden's, this is obvious the president has only singled out one family by name. the bidens. >> melissa: he also talks about public corruption. >> kennedy: of the bushes, as well. >> jessica: but he hasn't asked for leaders to investigate the bushes were the clintons. >> harris: we started with joe biden. if you have something you want to say. >> brian: i would say that he has to do consistent sedans. if you want to address it once, maybe add some color to it, but there is no hunter biden -- if you read the article, he has a personal life in crisis. we have to wonder why somebody with a famous last name but a terrible resume gets these deals and then disappears when his dad needs him most. i understand very few people can understand the tragedy he's forced to do with. >> harris: but it's not saying his people are thirsty for the sedans. he is prone to gas.

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senator lindsey graham calling the decision a disaster, and vowing a resolution to reverse it. >> if i didn't see donald trump's name on the tweet, i thought it would be obama's rationale for getting out of iran. so here's what's going to happen -- this is going to lead to isis reemergence. nothing better for isis than to create a conflict between the kurds and turkey. they will not align with assad because they have no one to count on, because we abandoned them. so this is a big win for iran and assad, a big win for isis. >> harris: lucas tomlinson's life from the pentagon with mor. lucas? >> melissa, there's lot of disappoint at the pentagon today, despite official sing defense secretary mark esper and general mark milley, the new top officer, say they were not surprised by the president's decisions. the other officials say the white house statement last night essentially endorse the turkish invasion that could slaughter the kurds. a short time ago, president trump warned the turks, "as i've stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if turkey does anything that i

and my great and unmatched wisdm considered to be off limits, i will totally destroy and obliterate the economy of turkey as i have done before." already, the roughly 100 u.s. troops and we could syria have been seen leaving the border today. over 11,000 kurdish fighters, thousands of isis prisoners and their families, including small children, still languish in camps in syria guarded by the kurds. the pentagon responded in a statement the short time ago, "the department of defense made clear to the turkey, as to the present, that we do not endorsen operation syria. u.s. armed forces will not support or be involved in any such operation." the u.s.-backed syrian democratic forces responded to the president's decision in a tweet, "we hope our u.s. partners will reverse this decision and not abandon our combined effort in northeast syria." iran's foreign minister tweeted a short time ago, "iran stands ready to help in syria." melissa? >> melissa: lucas, thank you. brian, this feels like a deal that was made somewhere with

erdogan. doesn't it? >> brian: it's what he want to be your go, that's why it matters left. number two, the kurds were the ones who got rid of the caliphate. revised and rearmed. they were engaged, but it was mostly the kurds. we said to them now is, "we've got to go." and they've already wrecked their camps because they were told the u.s. and turkey were going to patrol that region. now they are unprotected, all alone in that area. listen, i know the kurds, all three of them are different. and turkey and the kurds have their own issues. this has nothing to do with that. this is allies in our area, and future ally saying, "would it pay off have her stay with america?" and rush is walking around, baghdad, saying "we won that, we force them out." i've got thousands of isis fighters, the rest of the worst, killers, who will go into turkey and watch. they will keep them, they will

fan out and reconfigure. >> harris: to be of any reason to believe that erdogan wouldn't put a stop to that? >> brian: to what? >> harris: to the fanning out of isis savages? >> brian: i agree with the president. "i'm going to get my guys back." >> harris: but the kurds are our allies. why do you think the military officials are so surprised by this? >> brian: because they never thought something so ill-advised would be done by a president who has so much respect among military men and women? >> harris: so does he listen to? >> brian: i'm not sure he listens to anyone except for, like you said, erdogan might have said "i've got --" >> kennedy: why the fascination can make use of the untrustworthy, has totally evoln authoritarian who puts anyone who pushes back on them or protest, they are complete and trustworthy. back to the kurds, yes, they're different sects, but the ones we've been fighting for freedom,

the one i want to do everything right, they are the ones who have aligned ourselves with. i know we are currently abandoning them to die. they could absolutely be slaughtered. this is unconscionable. this is so unacceptable. >> melissa: the president treating earlier, "the endless and ridiculous wars are ending. we will be focused on the big picture, knowing we can always go back and glass. >> jessica: "go back and blast? close to people who, rightfully so, want to reevaluate u.s. interventions all over the world, people on both sides of the isles who think we have been too much of the world's policeman, are all standing against this prebernie sanders and said, "i am a top backer of the idea that we shouldn't be any spaces, but these are our allies." i've seen pictures circulating of kurdish fighters. they wear our flag on the uniform. there one with us. you're completely right, its abandonment. i think today is let me me putin

birthday. he got the news that he was getting everything he wanted. assad getting what he wanted, the u.s. not to getting what we deserve for ourselves and for them. >> harris: on this day in 2001 it was the first day that we deployed troops in the war in afghanistan. those babies born in that october are adults now. we have more than 20,000 soldiers injured. almost 2300 deaths in that country. we still have 14,003 the president has talked about drawing that down to 8600. this is an important day, anyway. look, everybody wants war to end. there are allies. i'm wondering who among the military, the president must be listening to someone. >> brian: right. the wonder of have known were the best and have been there are so determined not to blow it again. when we pull troops out, think about this. you're missing a leg, your limb,

your eyesight, all of this a new pullout out of iraq and at six months isis is back in everything you did was undone. then you go back and you save it again, and i we are about to make the same mistake again. lindsey graham just called over and said his hope is the president will still reverse himself on this. >> melissa: so what's the flip side of that argument? how long do you stay? >> jessica: it's not that many people. >> melissa: i'm trying to do the other side of -- >> harris: i've had don't tell my generals told me don't act oe you stay forever. you need for the intelligence community for the president. because really able to do so quickly. we did send some fighters to iraq for that reason, so we can keep our eyes on it. there is no in for the right small number. >> jessica: it's important, though. that is a call that everyone should get to know what happened on. what did erdogan say to president trump yesterday that made him take this rash action?

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>> harris: 90 former national security officials have released a public letter applauding the ukraine whistleblower and demanding that the government and media protect his or her identity. they wrote this, in part. "simply put, he or she has done what our law demands. now he or she deserves our protection." senate judiciary chairman lindsey graham vowing to have any whistleblowers testify publicly if democrats move forward on impeaching president trump. watch. >> nobody in america goes to jail or has anything done to them without confronting their accuser. so here's what i'm going to

insist upon, that the whistleblower -- one or two, whatever -- they come under oath, testifies of the public can't judge their credibility. if that doesn't happen in the house, i will make sure it happens in the senate. >> harris: all right, since you are the most recent person to talk to senator graham, on a different topic, what is your response? >> brian: my response, if you told me two years ago that there is going to be somebody on the republican side -- or two and a half years ago -- that would be the first to decide outside mitt romney, it is speed and getting the senate, that it would be lindsey graham. because he is a former jag officer, and this is the way it's done. but he is so intense but what he sees, his ear to the ground. he sees in sincerity and a target on the president's back. but even though the present is so unorthodox and so many ways, he believes this is orchestrated. what opens his eyes what happened to brett kavanaugh, who

knew personally, and watching them taken down freshly personally, he seeing it again >> melissa: we said earlier, you really feel like you can't trust anyone's version of event events. i know every open hearing turns into a circus, but we have to hear it from the horse's mouth. whether you're on the right or left, i feel like nobody is able to look at this in an unbiased fashion. the idea of bringing over this whistleblower is out into the public, you don't want -- the traditional term of the word whistleblower, you hide their identity. but it doesn't seem like this is the traditional type of whistleblower. >> harris: i was just reading some details about the law. kennedy, you and i have had a lot of conversations about how it reads. the attorney for the whistleblowers, he says they deserve protection from firing and retaliation. which is kind of different from what we are all talking about. if he or she makes the choice to

come out publicly, it still means they are protected from that firing and retaliation. we can find out who they are. >> kennedy: then we would have to have a better mechanism for gathering this information. the information, not the personality, is the most important thing. yes, i believe people who are keeping the government in check should be protected from firing at retaliation, but having second and third hand information through force retaliation that leads to the president's firing, that is on acceptable. there has to be some level of knowledge. these people have to be questioned. adults should be able to do that. professionals should be able to talk to this person, gather relevant, important, critical information, while still maintaining their identity. >> jessica: that is what dni maguire did, and michael atkinson. both trump appointees. of the whistleblower has followed the protocol to the letter of the law. these accusations about partisanship in this are so

dangerous. they have even gone after the lawyer who is charged handling the whistleblower's case, who, by the way, reps the rnc, ""the daily caller,"" and the benghazi survivors. it is absurd -- >> melissa: i'm talking about the lawmakers when they come out and say what was set inside the hearing. >> jessica: whistleblower laws are important. we have to have people be able to tell people in positions of power when there something wrong. >> brian: but how can it be bipartisan? they can't even question the people behind closed doors. >> jessica: went to the impeachment inquiry begins, i kw that -- 's to you and you mean the articles of impeachment? >> jessica: with the subpoena power. but it's a dangerous -- >> harris: but nancy pelosi says she won't even get there -- she said, to be fair to the president, this needs to go through and run its course. to be fair to the president, don't republicans also get to talk with these people behind closed doors? and kemper have an open -- >> jessica: but lindsey graham is talking about not been closed

or is pretty stark about publicly testifying. when i hear ron johnson say, "i never trusted the cia," i think about. the original whistleblower everyone thinks about. the woman's identity was revealed for ten or 12 years. >> kennedy: and i thought it was alexander haig the whole time! >> jessica: we have to foster an environment people can do this, safely, from the fear of retribution. >> harris: this is an actual deal, where the whistleblower makes it and there's a second whistleblower, to talk to these people, it should be bipartisan. c6 am sure they scripted this thing out. remember, the first whistleblower said there's about half a dozen. little by little he's going to be releasing all of them. >> harris: we will move on. a policy-backed group of making moves to protect 11 vulnerable house democrats who are trying to hold onto their seats in 2020 and made the ongoing impeachment inquiry. how this will play out at the polls. ♪ ♪

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inquiry. the majority of voters in those districts went for president trump in 2016. meanwhile, a pro-democrat-backed group by speaking nancy pelosi is reportedly set to air $1 million worth of ads in support of 11 vulnerable house lawmakers. the ads said to avoid the word impeachment and focus on legislative accomplishments. we saw this from nancy pelosi last week in her press conference with adam schiff. what she said, "i'm only taking questions on health care, issues." do you think -- who is winning the add more here? or the messaging war come on impeachment? >> brian: i think the president, the same way he said, "impeachment i would give you the documents, because who he is saying, "this is with that steak." if nothing else, symbolism. what they are up against. "these belong to me, you watch." of the present wants to make progress, usmca.

there's a lot of suburban housewives who want something done on the vaping when it comes to kids. if you want to get to them, i think less of this and more of legitimate substance. >> jessica: suburban white women were the key to 2018 victories in the mid terms for democrats, but the two coat issues, health care, first of all. number one for everybody. and gun violence. >> kennedy: i think we aren't talking about any of those things as long as we're talking about impeachment. democrats love it because they don't have actual solutions. they can go ahead and pass a bunch of bills in the house and do a bunch of busy work that they know will never be taken up by the senate and certainly won't be signed into law by the president. they can do that, but they aren't doing that. they're sending adam schiff because they have abandoned poor jerry nadler. he was supposed to be the great hope of the impeachment sphere that was going to lodge itself in the president trump's political abdomen, and that has broken off and rested and they have failed.

[laughter] >> harris: that was quite an analogy! esker, who is winning the messaging war? we got to see a little bit of what they're thinking about in the white house with vice president pence a few days ago when he set before the cameras when we were waiting for the president to speak simultaneously. at a different venue. we heard, as he stood next to arizona senator mcsally and talked about hispanic heritage month, we heard his defense of the ukraine call, of all of this. we are to go after joe biden. we saw him for the first time push against all the headwind coming at the president. taking some of that pressure. >> jessica: which he did with the "access hollywood" tape, as well. >> melissa: with reelection, everyone who is currently office, republican or democrat, is the one who gets blamed for health care not being fixed, that gun control hasn't happened, all these things. with republicans, they can say

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celebrities. including. rosie o'donnell, tom arnold, debra messing, and alyssa milano. says one of the group's founders, terms propaganda machine is going to be in overdrive for the foreseeable future, so we need to be fighting every day in every way. a lot of the celebrities have been attacked by trump's people or even by trump personally, so he will be paying attention." i think this is phenomenal. i worry about several of these people, because they haven't worked in a long time. finally they could put their busybody-and ess. >> melissa: i didn't recognize two of the people. it must be hopelessly out of touch with pop culture. that's all i have to say. i don't even recognize all these people. go ahead. >> kennedy: tom arnold, have you been consuming his most recent show? >> melissa: does he ever show? >> brian: that didn't go well. he was very good friends with michael cohen. i want to speak to this prediction -- the debra messing situation, when she made her statement and all the blowback

she got, her buddies from her show, i really think that's geared a lot of celebrities. "do you really need this? and we lay back and somebody else take the fire?" >> kennedy: can we unplug and have some entertainment? i don't really need alyssa milano playing the part of adam schiff in this made up movie of the week. >> jessica: the most powerful ads i've seen that are full of celebrities are the ones like ps as about gun violence and things like that. when you have a platform to seize that support the ideas you think are important, and advance those causes. what i think is the right attack is to pick issues versus people. if you care about the environment, if you care about sex trafficking, if you care about gun violence. find organizations that do focus on those issues and then throw your weight behind that. >> melissa: i guess, but actors are go out and see other people's words. so why do i take their word for

anything? their whole talent as being someone they're not. >> brian: what do you know about that business? [laughs] speech exactly, i don't know! >> kennedy: i'm coming up with the greatest insult. i would like to thank brian kilmeade for being here on the couch. making this a glorious day. we are back on the couch new tomorrow. >> harris: brand-new subpoenas by house democrats and their impeachment inquiry after a second whistleblower now has come forward in the ukraine controversy. we go "outnumbered overtime." and harris faulkner. an attorney were present in both whistleblower said he has his new client has first-hand knowledge of some of the colors president trump with the current president. president trump is pushing back, treating "the second whistleblower is coming in from the deep state after the first one gave false information." senator lindsey graham echoes that and steps of the pressure on democrats.