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now they dare you to be as virtuous as they are. but is that real? are they actually virtuous, or is all of this a cynical pose? we will let you decide. consider this, last friday daryl morey, the general manager of the houston rockets basketball team sent what seemed like a noncontroversial tweet. he wrote this. ", fight for freedom, stand with hong kong." that's it. china, as you may have seen on television, is now trying to crush hong kong and it's not hard to pick a side.e. china, it's really noted, but it's true, is a racist f no state that bans dissent and murderous political opponents. you think every american would stand with hong kong without even thinking aboutta it. but not the nba. the nba is on tran's side. so he was forced to delete thisd tweet. you may in fact lose his job over this. if the nba issued a statement that under no circumstance for theer support hong kong or human

freedom. today, basketball commissioner adam silver emerged to clarify. he repeated the refrain of everybody who's proposes free yeech, you're free to say what you think but you aren't safe from the consequences. >> the long-held values of the nba are to support freedom expression. the general manager of the houston rockets enjoys that right is one of our employees. when i also tried to suggest as i understand that there are consequences from that exercise of innocence is freedom of speech and we will have to live with those consequences. >> tucker: oh. so with that hard to say that we support freedom against the fascist government of china? apparently it is. steve kerr is the coach of the golden state warriors. on the question of america politics, you may have noticed he has noticed problem speaking his mind. the hard left social policy that

is suddenly so fashionable among rich people. he doesn't hesitate to demand stricter gun laws for the rest of us. in the words of one fawning media outlet, and there are many, is truth to power. so what truths with steve kerr ready to speak to china? non, it turns out. not a single truth to the government of china. choosing between freedom and fascism turns out to be a really confusing choice. who knows what the right answer is. as he pointed out, it's really above his pay grade. >> really bizarre international story and a lot of us don't know what to make of it. something i'm reading about just like everybody is, but i'm not going to comment further. >> tucker: it not to comment further. bizarre international story. in otherer words, steve kerr isa phony. he's brave when the crowds apply but when money is at stake, he

shuts off and obeys like the cowardly little corporate stooge that hehe is. it's hard to imagine how a man like that can look himself in the mirror at night and yet he's not alone. hardly. there are countless steve kerrs in corporate america. all of them happy to sell other country and lick the boots of the chinese masters prepaid. activision blizzard, a major video game company, just band the top layer from one of the teams because a given interview supporting the demonstrations in hong kong. just last year right outside washington the hotel company marriott fired one of its employees. why? for liking it tweet that recognized taiwan as a country. that's it. that tweet offended china. so marriott did the bidding of the fascists and fire him. that actually happened. this is common by the way. in hollywood pandering to china is so common, so flagrant, that the show south park produced an entire episode mocking it. >> for this movie to really make money, we need to make sure it clears the chinese sensors. want those chinese viewers.

>> seriously? >> there's plenty of other things to talk about with their story. what kind of things where you went to when you were younger? >> i would like winnie the pooh. >> no, no, no, that's definitely off-limits. winnie the pooh is illegal in china becauseie in chinese students said he looked like the chinese president. >> that's ridiculous! >> tucker:ic it may be ridiculous but south park was banned in china after the episode you just saw. you've got to respect them for making the episode anyway and comedy central for airing it. most companies in america, west are sad to say, would never do that. why? you know why. china has 1.4 billion people. companies want access to that market. choice between supporting thees united states, our country and our people are getting rich from china, it's no contest for many companies. for decades, neoliberals assured us that it was our duty to embrace free trade with china as the rest of us sat passively by, they allowed china to steal our technologies, snatch of our properties under cities driving

up rates, decreasing the rates of home ownership and destroying millions of manufacturing jobs. it would be worth it because china inevitably, these things are over inevitable will become much freer and more democratic as well. that was in his horrible because capitalism always leads to democracy. remember that? they were lying. it turned out to be complete with false. instead of exporting american freedoms to china, our ruling class instead imported chinese authoritarianism here. 30 years later, ordinary americans are poor, wages haven't moved and all of us are less free, but china and olea dominic neoliberal elite are a lot richer. turns out that fascism, or whatever you think of it, is pretty good forns business. that ought to worry you. jason whitlock will talk to us in a few moments about this but first we are tonight but by michael pillsbury, director of china strategy of the hudson institute and the author of the fantastic book the 100 year marathon, china fostered a

secret strategy to replace america as the global superpower, no longer such a secret strategy. thanks so much for coming on. what do you make of a company like the nba i'm a witch an awful n lot of support from american taxpayers taking the side of the chinese government against an american c citizen? >> as you say it's kind of surrender. a part of it comes from the power of the chinese economy. the chinese financed bios and stealing our technology, a lot of it was provided directly to them. they have reached at least 75% of the size of our economy. the chinese themselves believe they surpassed our economy five years ago. by the way -- you're talking about a very, very powerful country. this is not anything like -- even japan was only 10% of our economic power when they bombed pearl harbor. this is a major power stronger than the soviet union ever was in comparison to us, so these companies are reacting to real facts. they can be punished, they can

be rendered bankrupt by chinese power, so i don't forget what they'vee done, but it really is worse out 20 or more years of neglect or even support for china have got us into this situation were president trump is just starting to fight back. there's some interesting news today that is going to put 28 companies that are the most advanced technology companies in china and artificial intelligence, special kinds of cameras, special kinds of surveillance. they can't buy american products anymore because of this order president trump without this morning, but he said several times that he doesn't want china to surpass us on his watch. and he says if hillary clinton had been elected china it would be surpassing us right now. >> tucker: given that the stakes are as high as you just outlined, that suggests now is precisely not the time for american companies like the nba

to cave to the fascist government of china. >> they shouldn't do it but they are going to the american governmently support. one of the things president trump is beginning to do, her chinese companies that misbehave.ve it's hard to really punish the nba for being craven. maybe we can shame them intovi better conduct, but they are nothing like the power of the federalhe government and our federal government now is saying look, china is getting ahead of us in outerch space. the reason for creating the space force is chinese satellites now can do things we can't do in space. they have a thing that our air force calls the kidnapper satellite, top opens up, grab another satellite, steal it, and go away. we can't do that -- >> tucker: a metaphor for what they've done to our technology sector. >> exactly. it's a global struggle. >> tucker: thanks very much for joining us, ominous. jason whitlock is the host for speak for yourself on fox sports tonight. so jason, this seems inexcusable

behavior fromm the nba. what's your view of it? >> well, i think the cultural impact that china's influence over a great sport, a great american sport like basketball is just nowal being exposed and just how dependent the nba is on the chinese economy and chinese money to put on the appearance of how great the league is doing without the chinese money and without -- because you really have to understand the shoe companies, nikes, adidas, they run american basketball from a high school level all the way to the pros. and the shoe companies are dependent on the china market and that's where all of this is coming t from. you see nba players constantly over the summer during their off-season running to china to do the bidding of their shoe

companies and to sell their shoes in the china market and so the nba is really being exposed is not nearly as much of a americans business as it is a global business with china perhaps having more influence than even america.me >> tucker: which is shocking given that of course -- shocking because i don't think most people know that. but also shocking giving with the nba was of course incubated in this country. wouldn't have been possible in any other, basketball was invented in springfield, massachusetts, in a ymca, it's the most american of all sports and i don't notice any basketball arena that wasn't subsidized by american taxpayers, so how could they possibly take this position? >> the cultural impact of this and what a great teachable moment it is for most american citizens. when people start talking about being a global citizen, i don't think people really understand what that means for american culture and i think for a lot of

everyday typical american sports fans, this is an educational experience. this is what people have been talking about. we can't let our corporations, our country being totally driven by china because it's driving our culture. these basketball players, lebron james, james harden actually apologized on behalf of -- to the chinese government. we are apologizing to a communist government and then we have athletes here and coaches like steve kerr and greg popovich that railed against our government. we are the bad guys in the minds of these nba players and coaches and their little parade of being so woke. all of it to me is at the behest of the shoe company. they are doing the bidding of thee shoe company and protecting china and demonizing us and our culture and dramatically changing our culture because these athletes are young and i'm not giving them an excuse, but

there are young, many of them didn't go to college. or only spent a year or two in college. they don't understand how they are being used and played to promote a communist marxist agenda. they have no idea that their action and a lot of the things they're promoting, this victim mentality and all the identity politics and everything in america is racist. it's all a scam by the shoe companies. look how socially aware we are. look how we fight against injustice. no, you're actually doing a marketing ploy to pretend you have a social conscious and you are actually doing the bidding of the communist regime in china. >> tucker: it may be the single most racist government in the world. it's literally an ethanol state and here's the socially conscious nba -- very quick, it's a little shocking to me that kerr ofin all people who never hesitates to give his

opinion, is often lauded for it, can't manage to say that he takes hong kong'sho side? >> tucker, these guys can rail against our government, our president and be applauded fornm it. they don't have the courage to speak out against a communist government. of all kinds of human rights violationsvi. the epitome of hypocrisy and cowardice. >> tucker: it really is. and thank you for putting it in context with the shoe companies. i think that's the most interesting thing i've heard in a long time, jason whitlock, good to see you tonight. >> thank you. >> tucker: barely one year from right now, about 13 months, democrats could potentially be in charge of the executive branch of government.wh what would america look like? wee got a thought experiment for you straight-ahead. it might alarm you. we will give you that morning. we will be right back. what are you doing back there, junior?

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of marijuana. >> decriminalize marijuana. automatically expunge marijuana convictions. >> more incarceration is more harm than the original offense.g >> we will expunge the records of those who have already been convicted. >> tucker: the great expunging begins! not just legalizing drugs, but legalizing them retroactively. what they are planning on doing, congressman alexandria ocasio-cortez who in effect functions as kind of a one-woman think tank for the democratic party -- air quotes around that -- is now demanding the elimination of prisons on the grounds thatat they are, and of course you can guess, racist! here's the quote. "mass incarceration is a system -- jim crow american apartheid and slavery. to end it we have to change. that means we need a real

conversation about then, incarceration in prison abolition in this country." because of course there were no prisons before racists in america thought them up! so with noo more prisons, per simile that will be no more prisoners, right? so with all of those felons back on the street and in your neighborhood -- hey, felons -- you may suddenly be a little bit concerned about protecting yourself and your family, but in democratic america, self-defense willto be banned because they ae taking your guns. >> spoke to gun owners out there who say the administration means they will come for my guns. >> bingo, you're right if you have an assault weapon. the fact of the matter is they should be illegal. back dominic >> i do believe that we need to do buybacks, and i will tell you why. they are weapons of war. no place on the streets of ail civil society. >> yes we are going to take your

ar-15, your ak-47. we are not going to allow it to be used against fellow americans anymore. >> tucker: that kid -- you wonder why he doesn't fall away like an autumn leaf. but whatever, yes they are going to confiscate your firearms! and by the t way, that will make home invasions a little tougher to deal with. lots of luck with that. let's hope you don't get assaulted and need to go to hospital because in democratic america you might find the hospitals a bit overcrowded. why? the left is giving free health care to the rest of the planet. >> you support giving universal health care, medicare for all to people in this country m illegally? >> let me just be very clear about this. i am opposed to any policy that would deny in our country any human being from access to public safety, public education, or public health, period. >> do believe that undocumented people should have health care in this country?

>> i think undocumented people need to have the means by which they can be covered when they are sick. people need -- this is just common decency. >> raise your hand if your government plan would provide coverage for undocumentedic immigrants. [cheers and applause] >> tucker: [laughs] raise your hand if you don't want a single normal person to even consider voting for you ever. free health care for illegal aliens. that's quite an idea. how is our hourly broke country going to pay for that? is a calculator, you figure it out. got a headache yet? don't even think about heading to a bar to drawing your sorrows with a cocktail and a steak. in the america of tomorrow, that will be banned too. >> you banned plastic straws. >> i think we should, yeah. >> but would you support changing the dietary guidelines? food pyramid. >> yes. >> to reduce red meat specifically. >> yes i would. >> tucker: yes, yes, whatever your for kamala harris is for.

tammy bruce host a show on fox station and it's absolutely fantastic. she joined us tonight. this is the country where going to be living in very soon, are you psyched? >> am totally psyched but people can get a preview. there's a film called "escape from new york" which stars kurt russell. >> tucker: i remember that! >> it's new york transformed into a maximumyo security priso, so technicallyma prisons will be closed, but it would be the entire city that you live in because that's where all the criminals are and they have a freewheeling way of living so every major american city that is run by liberals, already people are trying to escape from them, so there's that. but it sounds thrilling. here's the irony of all of this. the left and the democrats grow about being the ultimate champions for the individual and yet what they are doing a course is setting up policies and suggesting things that require the government micromanaging every single aspect of our lives, so you know, the pothead

out there who wants to be left alone for the person who wants to enjoy their stake but worries about the climate, they don't realize that this is inviting, and this is what the suggestion is, that you are an individual are to be wiped away, we will control everything that you do from morning until night. got up a conversation about china and the problems with china. well, the chinese did not do well with that cultural revolution where it was about getting rid of the four olds. wiping away the old custom, old ideas. there was a very specific applied framework about how to h from people that you could think for yourselves and effectively live freely. this is a new, what the american left is doing and what these candidates are suggesting. it's always failed. it's always destroyed lives. the great thing about america is we can laugh about it, we've got a good film like "escape from new york" and we can warn people that it's a very bad idea to

vote democratic. >> tucker: so when people tell you that the past is off limits, you shouldn't make any reference to the past, you should be allowed to see the fast or think about the past, it's usually a tell, isn't it? >> it sure is. at the is prologue of s course. this is what -- this is why the left has eliminated requirements like in california for history courses in order to be accepted the system. they don't want you to learn about what the history is because it tells you very specifically what happens. ideas are powerful and what happens to certain political philosophies that have failed and it's not because the right people didn't implement them correctly. it's because they are simply bad ideas. and we got a chance here of course to push it back and send message to the rest of the world, but americans get it -- >> tucker: i think they do. >> the democratic candidates i think are not only making fools of themselves, but they are proving that you can be an american and have some very bad

ideas and that's what's so great about our system, we cannot vote for you and vote for other people. >> tucker: i think many will take that option. great to see you tonight, thank you. >> thank you. >> tucker: for alexandria ocasio-cortez the past began right around 2012 when she graduated from college. on the basis of that information, she'she calling for the abolition of prisons, something she believes were thought of by americans during the jim crow period. what would america look like if we got rid of all prisons? former deputy director for the legal policy of manhattan institute and we think one of the smartest criminologists out there. great to see you this evening. so what would be the practical effect of this? would beactical effect a significant number of vulnerable communities around the country would experience very large increases in violent crime. we have plenty of data on what the people who currently

constitute our prison population are like and what does data say is that about 83% of them when they are eventually released are going to go on to reoffend in some way or another and many of them are going to reoffend violently. the high crime cities around our country are all experiencing some version of the same problem, which is violent crime committed by recidivists and nationally i think more than a third of all violent felons committed their offense while they were either on probation, parole, or awaiting trial. the idea that it carries no downside risk is not only nonsense, but it's dangerous. >> tucker: but it's everywhere. it is certainly among our decadent elites like ocasio-cortez or the koch brothers. the people who are making policy inik oca this country seem to he decided all of a sudden that nobody is really imprisoned t justifiably, it's all racism, it's all reefer madness craziness and we seem to open the doors and we will be a betterto country.

is there any data to support that? .>> none whatsoever, so when people say like ocasio-cortez says there are many people who don't belong in prison, i wonder who she's talking. about. if you talk about murderers or isrobbers or rapists, assailant, aggravated assailants, this constitutes the vast majority of our prison population in this country, right? not to mention the fact that even the people who are inverse order lower-level public order drug offenses, you have to keep in mind that their conviction records often understate the crimes that they actually committed because the vast majority of cases in criminal courts are resolved through plea bargains, which means that the charge ultimately reflects some sort of downgrading in exchange for a guilty plea and a reduced sentence. so the idea that the people who are behind bars in this country don't pose a significant danger or haven't gotten a second chance is just nonsense. 40% of felony convictions result in a state prison sentence.

only 40%, that's it. the idea that we are living inet this -- it doesn't jibe with reality. we commit a lot of crime. >> tucker: exactly.te you listen to guys like beto and you think everyone on death row got there because the cops found a roach clip in his ashtray on the you know mean? >> that's right. >> tucker: its 1965 in their world. they never update their assumptions toat match the currt reality because they are dumb i think might be the answer. thank you. tonight.see you >> thank you so much. >> tucker: appreciate the context. at lastt night would you evidene that bill clinton -- conclusive evidence that go point and sought politicalgh help fromei foreign countries. we don't think you should be impeached, i guess, but it's true. it happened. john carried the same. we will show you how in just aho minute. plus we will talk to a top house republican member about impeachment. how's that going? we will bring it to you next. ♪

>> tucker: well, your social betters have a habit ofuc moral

posturing. we are good people, they will tell you. unlike you. you never really believed it. now you know it's totally fake. the china nba story proves it and by the way the ukraine impeachment saga also does. everyone in washington is tellings you it's unbelievable that donald trump would have used a conversation with a d foreign leader to help her politically. never happens. we are not endorsing it, but we would like to give you some context. so last night we showed you a phone transcript or bill clinton, who was the president, asked tony blair, who was the prime minister of great britain, for a political boost before the 2000 election. they weren't singling out bill clinton, this is very, very common. john kerry has been talking to anyone who will listen about the president's shocking behavior with ukraine. watch. >> my reaction is one of absolute shock and amazement. that is a fundamental profound abuse of power.

there's no other way to put it. >> tucker: fundamental, profound, no other way to put it. cliche. he's full of it. that.ow but just to put some meat on those bones, during the 2004 election, which he lost, john kerry openly bragged about soliciting support from foreign leaders against his opponent that your the incumbent president george w. bush. "i've met foreign leaders who can't go out and sayes this publicly, but boy they look at you and say you've got to win this. you've got to beat this guy. we need a new policy." [cackling] people of john kerry. he was asked which leaders told her that, john kerry? what did you say to them when they said that and what new policies did you promise and how do they pledge to help you? john kerry said he wasn't going to be specific because it was his right to keep his conversations with foreign leaders confidential.

that's absolutely necessary for leadership. you see the point. earlier today the white house sent a letter to the speaker of the house nancy pelosi calling the ongoing impeachment effort "a legitimate and unconstitutional post code and furthermore saying it f will not cooperate and was a full houseboat is held to begin a formal inquiry. congressman devin nunes is the ranking member of the house intelligence committee, its former chairman when the house was under republican c control.o he joins us tonight. thanks so much for coming on. so if i'm understanding this correctly, the white house is saying once you make it official we will cooperate, but not until then? >> the house intelligence committee has become like this secretive impeachment committee, but with no rules and so i don't blame the white house for saying look, we will see you in court. ne're notoi going to provide you any witnesses, we are not going to provide you any documents and unless the house of representatives votes, like has

beenen the tradition, if not, yu can hold us in contempt and we will see you in court in a matter of months. >> tucker: but as auc procedural matter, is it true or is it not -- you're the sitting member -- that in order to have an impeachment you have to have a vote, right? leadership can't just say there's an impeachment. there has to be aer vote. >> right. traditionally -- the house makes its own rules, okay? so one could argue that they are just making up the rules as they go along. but we do have tradition, right? and you have precedent and its relatively recent. yet the impeachment of bill clinton and the impeachmenl of richard nixon. so if you're really going to truly get this through the house, open up an investigation, pass it, vote to impeach a ,president, send it to the senae for trial, you have to have a system of government where you have something that is fair, where both sides can actually go out and gather evidence. and that's what doesn't exist today and i think the

white house has a very good point because as someone who's beent in all of these meetings,i can tell you i think it was described today as a kangaroo court, and that's probably being roce. >> tucker: if you're going to have an impeachment, let's have a vote. it's a democracy, we vote on things here, or we always used to. you have sued twitter and you pursue twitter because you say that twitter users defamed you, made up fake accounts to do so. there is a development in that lawsuit today. tell us what it is. >> well, thankfully and charge has now decided, agreed with us that twitter can be held accountable for its actions, for its negligence, so as many people know who have been on twitter, especially if you're conservative, it's quite often that things randomly happen to you. you lose followers, some people can't see p what you post on twitter. you get shadow band. in my case what was happening as they were allowing anonymous accounts, hundreds of them to slander and defame me on a daily

basis. almost a minute-by-minute basis. finally a judge said okay, twitter, that's it, rejected all of their arguments and now that case is going to move forward in virginia. i think it's really important for the american people to that twitter is a test twitter is a public company. their board members really know what twitter has been up to? >> tucker: it's hard to think of a company that has hurt this country more than twitter. maybe there are some. i can't thinknk of one. if you look at the hate and the division and the cruelty that's no comment -- it wasn't common ten years ago. twitter is a huge part of that and they made a small number of people really rich. they should be ashamed of themselves so if nothing else i hope that the suit because attention to that because it deserves more attention than it gets. congressman, thanks so much and i hope you will come back. >> i hope it gets more attention, will do, good to see you. >> tucker: a gubernatorial candidate is under attack for holding a position that most sixth grade biology professor's,

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tell the radical left mayor of minneapolis that he can't price out free speech. probably illegal. i stand strongly and probably with the great police officers and law enforcement of minneapolis in the great state of minnesota. see you thursday night." the mayor responded, "someone tell the president of the united states that he can afford to help pay for the extra pay our officers will be putting in while he's in town" but police are arty angry at the mayor because newwh city policy preves off-duty officers from wearing their uniforms at political rallies, so instead they'll be wearing red t-shirts that say "cops for trump." watch this. >> we don't want any issues, so we just thought what will turn the place into a sea of red will be shirts we designed and they are available and we can't keep them on t the shelves, they've been selling out as fast as they come in. >> the police also say the security charge for the trumpec rally is ludicrous considering the cost for securing an obama rally a few years ago was reportedly around $20,000. though now the point is moot

because a short time ago the city backed off the $530,000 security bill, though the president still thinks the city should drop its mayor as well as congresswomanl ilhan omar. tucker. >> tucker: trace gallagher, thanks for that. well, there's an election in louisiana this week to help determine its next governor. congressman ralph abraham is running in that race. the president will rally there as well for him and another republican candidate on friday right after the rally in minneapolis. abraham just ignited a storm of outrage for making a very bold claim. he said there were only two genders. >> i'm ralph abraham. i'm running for governor and here's the g truth. life begins at conception. government is too big. our taxes are too high and our car insurance is too expensive. president trump is doing a great job. facts matterer more than feelin. the second amendment is

self-explanatory and as a doctor, i can assure you there are only two genders. >> tucker: wow. over at msnbc they were outraged and told their viewers that agreeing with your eighth grade biology teacher is "incendiary." congressman abraham, as you just heard him say, is a physician. he recently talked to him about all of this, here it is. >> tucker: so did you think that in declaring that there are just two genders that you would be causing controversy? >> what a strange world we live in, where something that simple, that statement will set off a firestorm. everyone knows that these transgender laws are about lawsuits. in louisiana and if you live there, you are four times more likely to be sued for anything. that's why our car insurance is some of the highest in the nation. that's why this current governor has decimated our oil and gas industry with frivolous lawsuits and look, i just simple he

wanted to send a message that when i'msa governor of louisian, that ends. >> tucker: how are your trial lawyers doing? they seem like they are pretty prosperous. >> we have some of them i would imagine the most prosperous trial lawyers in may be the nation perhaps the world.. we are lawsuit-happy in louisiana and that's why we are 50th out of 50 in everything, talker. we are in the ditch on the economy. we are -- our jobs are gone, we are the only state in the nation that lost jobs in the last 12 months. >> tucker: i know some of your trial lawyers, charming guys always, rich though. very rich, they fly private. as a man of science, we often hear the debate about science but you are literally a man of science, a position, a medical doctor. if you could just settle this question conclusively for us, how many genders are there as a scientificrs matter? >> as a scientific matter, i have delivered many babies as a

family doctor and i can assure you it takes me about three seconds to tell the parents whether it's a boy or whether it's ata girl. >> tucker: yeah. so what happens to a country -- and by the way, saying that out loud is not an attack on anybody. of course not. >> no. i don't have a discriminatory bone in my body. >> tucker: but what happens to a country where you are not allowed to say things that are objectively true? >> well, you see what's happening. you see what happened to our culture, you see the direction our country is going in. certainly one i don't approve of andha that's why i am a congressman and that's why i will be the next governor of louisiana. because we have got to get some common sense back into our culture. >> tucker: is just amusing to watch the reaction to your campaign statement. thanks a lot for coming on tonight, i appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. thank you. >> tucker: well, nothing in rager's permanent than the idea

that at some point a foreign war might end. they hate that more than anything. why is that? we will investigate after the break. ♪

♪ >> tucker: one of the many unconventional planks in donald trump's 2016 platform is getting the u.s. out of foreign quagmires. it turned out there was a deep reservoir of support for that idea, and so he won.ne the promise that you are going to do something and trying to da it is not the same as doing it. it turns out unelected bureaucrats can prevent you from doing that, if you so choose, and in this case, they so chose. the latest example, on sunday, the u.s. announced troops would be withdrawing from northern a syria, and in washington, people went insane, immediately. >> what we have here is a betrayal, what we mighte have come in the coming weeks, is an bloodbath.

>> impulses idiocy last night, before has endanger not just the kurds come up with the progress against isis and the entire region. >> what is happening now in the message being sent by the president is those don't matter. that the american handshake doesn't a matter. >> i can't find anyone in washington who thinks this is a good idea. trump is retrying our allies, the kurds, who have bled and died to defeat isis. >> i woke up to hear that news, and as i do, it seems like six days a week, i just put my head in my hands. this is [bleep] crazy. >> tucker: say the people who actually destroyed american prestige. consistently, over decades. those are the people who did it. onon a conference call with reporters yesterday, and unnamed trump administration official, believe it or not, did his best to placate the morons you just

saw on the screen. you may want to pull out of syria, but don't worry, a full pullout won't happen any time soon, the official assured those on the call. bill barr dollar a retired marine captain and a senior fellow at defense, he joins us tonight for thanks for coming on. are you surprised -- the president unequivocally states, not for the first time, his intention of doing with the voters who votedat him into offe to do, which is remove these troops. and washington basically says, no, we are not allowing you to. does that surprise you? >> yeah, i mean, we have seen this story before. we should have left syria for six months ago after we destroyed isis's last stronghold. we have no interest left there, and said, universal pushback within the establishment, as you said, this looks like a tactical pullback, not a real withdrawal. the president hasn't demonstrated the courage of his convictions. >> tucker: you wantis to believe in democracy, over time, on the

big questions, the majority can have an influence on the course of the country. but i'm starting to think maybe they can't, and maybe it's not real, and maybe max boot and other dumb people are actually in charge. >> what happens on the hill is the most disappointing thing, right? we have a war that congress never authorized, they are climbing over each other too denounce the president for trying to end it. at least rhetorically, although i say the reality probably isn't there. that's probably worse than what you hear him on the ponded class. >> tucker: this is a war -- they didn't have the courage to make it official, to make it a legitimate war, and now they lecture anyone who is not in favor -- why shouldn't they be required to be on the record in support of this thing if they actually support eight? >> oh, absolutely. the authorization of using military force is a farce. we are fighting in countries all over the greater middle east on an authorization designed to track down al qaeda in the wake of 9/11.

that's one of the problems, but obviously where the cultural problem in congress, over half of those people, at least in the senate, think they can be president, and that is the priority of being on tv, not taking difficult stances. >> tucker: i mean, we ask -- the services do an awful lot, including in syria. this must be dispiriting, i would think, for them. >> i think it is. but i think people get the mission, when the mission is a very narrow, focused, and achievable mission, like destroying isis's physical caliphate. when we are stuck and somebody else -- waiting to be sucked into somebody else's civil war, i don't think that is tremendously encouraging, or something people want to do in uniform. >> tucker: i honestly can't imagine a worse position to put americans in. i think it is shocking we would do that. thanks so much for your perspective tonight. >> good talking to you. >> tucker: good to see you. we are out of time. good news, we will be back tomorrow, as we always are on weeknights.

8:00 p.m., the show that is the sworn and totally sincere -- and we hope cheerful -- enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness, and a group once again, we encourage you to dvr it if you can figure that out. godspeed. in the meantime, good night from washington. despair, great news. live from new york city comes the man at the helm of 9:00 p.m., hannity. there he is. >> sean: that might have been live from new york, it's saturday night. tucker, great show, as always. we begin tonight with a fox news alert. we are now tracking multiple major breaking stories, including an absolute bombshell development from the department of justice. fox news now reporting that the durham-bar investigation into the origins of the russian witch hunt is expanding. fox's reporting at this hour "mr. durham has expanded his investigation and is adding agents, resources" according to multiple senior ministries and officials fear timeline now has grown from the beginning of the

probe, through the election, and now includes a