really bad people in the world. we need to keep them behind bars. that's all the timepe we have lt this evening. we always thank you for joining us and we will never be the hato trump media mob, let not your heart be troubled. straight from the sewer, the swamp, laura ingraham. >> laura: you know something, if there is just one night where it wasn't sewer swamp, laura ingraham, that would be great. >> sean: i'm not saying you are the sewer, the swamp. >> laura: the way it kind of tripped off your tongue. >> sean: i can get fined for saying "illegal alien" the wrong way. >> laura: i'd take that case. i'm still a member of the bar. that's a fun case to take to court. fantastic show. i'm laura ingraham, this is "the ingraham angle," in a blistering letter to democratic leaders, the white house counsel is making it clear this means war. and fox news has also

learned exclusively that attorney general john durham's review of the origins of the investigation is expanding because of what he has already uncovered.this is good. you will not see a better lineup of guests to break all of this down, people who are practicing attorneys, understanding the constitution. no hyperbole, these are the facts.you will get them tonight. the president's attorney rudy giuliani, joseph digenova gregg jarrett, sara carter all here. also tonight, the liberal mayor, is trying to shut down president trump's rally there thursday night. we have exclusive campaign reaction from mercedes schlapp that will be fun.but first, in , breaking news, the white house counsel sends a lacerating letter to speaker nancy pelosi and committee chairs adam schiff, eliot engel and elijah cummings. making it clear the white house is not going to be complying with the faux impeachment inquiry. i want to take you through two

important passages from this letter. i believe it's necessary to lay out what this fight is really all about. the current proceedings are nothing more than an unconstitutional exercise in political theater, an unauthorized impeachment inquiry thatun conflicts with all historical precedent and rides roughshod over due process and the separation of powers. it continues, your inquiry is constitutionally invalid in a violationn of due process. in the history of our nation, the house of representatives has neverr attempted to launch an impeachment inquiry against the president without a majority of the house taking political accountability for that decision by voting to authorize such a dramatic constitutional step. as we told you last night, one of the most fateful decisions of the entire charade was when nancy pelosi put adam schiff in charge of it all.

schiff is a prevaricating, priggish partisan. he's one of the many reasons why the white house is dismissing this entire episode as a farce. the white house counsel is 100% correct. this nonimpeachment impeachment is not a constitutional undertaking, it's a political hit job. exactly what our founders did not want for our republic. consider this commentary about the dangers of impeachment. the effect of impeachment is to overturn the popular will of the voters. we must not overturn andan elecd remove the president from office except to defend our system of government or constitutional liberties against a dire threat and we must not do so without an overwhelming consensus of the american people. there must never be a narrowly voted impeachment or impeachment supported by one of our major political parties and opposed by another. such an impeachment will produce divisiveness and bitterness in ourr politics for years to come and will call into question the

very legitimacy.of our politica. sounds like the views of our next guest rudy giuliani and joseph digenova. wrong.ph those were the 1998 anti-impeachment views of none other than current house judiciary chair, jerry nadler.ss change -- so, my friends, what's changed? a donald trump in the white house, that has changed. here now the forementioned rudy giuliani personal attorney to the president and former and frequent guest. rudy, what does this forceful letter mean? what does it signal less about the road ahead? >> i think it was brilliant that hhe quoted nadler for another reason. what he wrote was a traditional american liberalism. when i was a young person,m, liberals believed you have to defend the civil rights for thee

communists and the nazis.if thel rights,en everyone will be. all of a sudden this congress has run roughshod over the right to call witnesses, the right to confront witnesses against you. if the right of counsel. if they are threatening to imprison attorney general barrne and impeach me, that is his government lawyerand his privat. they want all of my private documents. i've never seen a subpoena like this. >> laura: we are going to get to the attorney-client privilege issue in a moment. the house's failure to provide coequal subpoena power in this case assured that any inquiry will be nothing more than a one-sided effort by house democrats to gather information favorable to their views and to selectively release itonly au warned about this, the drip drip drip of the leaks coming out of the democrat offices they are conspiring with.

what about this? >> what you are seeing is regicide. this is regicide by another name, fake impeachment. the democrats in the house want to destroy the president, they don't want to preserve the republic. there's nothing honorable about what is happening. this is a despicable abusive of constitutional power. if they had on the floor a vote to establish an impeachment inquiry, that would give the republicansha subpoena power. the democrats aren't doing that, they want to deny them subpoena power. what do we get? we get first one anonymous informant, then a second anonymous informant, i refuse to call them whistle-blowers. these two nonentities are suicide bombers that the democrats have unleashed on the democratic process. they actually think the american people are going to accept having people testify secretly without anyone knowing who they

are, where they worked, what their party affiliation was,who. it's pretty obvious that this first suicide bomber who sent that complaint to the inspector general was a paid democratic operative of the democratic party. s >> laura: you mean political suicide bomber. before we start getting people -- get a sense of humor.. if yout think that, you should watch another show where we have to spell it all out for you.alls is critical, though. if you are being set up as the president is in this situation, you have no right to know who is making these accusations. they say in response this isn't a judicial process. impeachment is a political process, they say it's a political letter, what they're doing is is a political letter.s a completescle letter with quite a few citations in there.

>> pat cited a constitutional scholar, jerry nadler. of course due process is necessary. let's call it basic fairness. the american people, when they think, about this are going to be totally outraged. they want to impeach him on thee testimony of hidden witnesses who are behind a curtain.we wan. twent back to read two books about the salem witch trials. >> laura: you do that in your spare time rudy? >> i just drove through salem.. they required witnesses to face the witch and some witches were acquitted. it's ridiculous. you have to go back through the befoare the magna carta. the only place i think where we had trials like this is the soviet union. remember how the president used to call this a witch hunt?ad this is now worse than a witch hunt. >> laura: the witches had it better.in other words. >> they had more rights.

>> laura: we are going through this letter painstakingly beecause it's eight pages long and it's getting dismissed because they are being called out for what they are doing.the. they like having a one-sided show. it's an important part our viewers have to understand. the committees have ominously threatened before they evenhaved before they have even issued a subpoena that any failure to appear in response to a mere letter request for a deposition shall constitute evidence of obstruction. the suggestion that it would be problematic for anyone to raise long establish executive branch confidentiality in a response for a request for a deposition legally unfounded. these points are amounts to nothing more than strong arm tactics designed to rush proceedings without any regard for due process and the rights of individuals in the executive branch.thmo people who are practicing u.s. attorneys on television tonight and all day today saying this

letter, joe, where he is raising these issues, is itself evidence of obstruction. now this is the new thing pelosi is saying the same thing tonight we will put it up on the screen for everyone who wants to read nancy pelosi's legal wisdom. >> because of their continuing effort to ignore due process and to ignore the presumption of innocence, to redo the electoral college, they want to destroy all the substantial pillars that make our country have the rule of law. they lie about every fact, they lie about every rule and what they are doing now is this letter is so spectacular and so on the money that they only have one option is to just ignore it and say it doesn't mean anything. >> laura: you can't be on the you have to stay't be on the forward leaning in responding to this. they have to be defined, framed and put up on the wall, everyone has to know what's happening to this country.what's happening i,

they don't like this president, they don't like draining the swamp, they didn't like himfrome him coming down the escalator, whatever it is, they didn't like him.they didn't like flip day o, and they are being thwarted in their efforts and they aren't going to stop until they destroy every major pillar of this government. >> that is the great danger of the rule of law when you treat somebody you don't like -- it's very easy to give someone rights who you like, it's a question too if dedicated to the law when you get someone you dislike. american liberals used to be very proud of that. >> laura: they didn't like the fisa court, now it's the greatest thing ever. e >> these people should be embarrassed of themselves. >> laura: one thing i was thinking about, if this can happen with the president you don't like, you have no real basis for any impeachable offense, it's absurd. this means every time we have a house in the hands of one political party and a president

from another political party you get some detail from the deep state to go to the white house, this disturbed me. can you imagine the unmasking conversations they had in the white house? what if there was a whistle-blower then? >> this is like the hatfields and the mccoys. >> laura: it's back and forth. >> it is so ignorant, and it is so stupid, it's neanderthal. to say that he doesn't have a right to call witnesses, to say that -- let's say i assert attorney-clientat privilege. i'm obstructing justice? by asserting attorney-client privilege?every single thing i y file is a document i created in defense of the president. let's say the president was a terrorist, theye wouldn't be allowed to subpoena that from me and they wouldn't be allowed to say i'm obstructing justice. they are trying to intimidate me role as a lawyer.now, it doesny

sorno couldn't intimidate me, these little creeps aren't going to intimidate me. >> i have to play devil's advocate. attorney-client privilege doesn't necessarily to apply to everything you do. >> of course not. >> laura: you have to be representing him in a legal capacity. >> my client doesn't waive, i have to be careful i don't make a mistake. i have to interpreted expansively. >> and i remember, this is a law for her can't rely on attorney-client congressional testimony, made for the purposes of obtaining legal advice. it does not protect for instance communications your attorney might have with foreign government officials or with u.s. government. >> that's in order to obtainevir client, that does apply. they said they were looking for bad information about joe biden.

i was looking for it two years before he was and even a candidate. this was obtain information to exonerate him, everything i have in my file exonerates him. >> laura: what you looking into corruption in general? >> looking for corruption in general deprived us of the evidence of collusion. joe biden got the case dismissed that would have revealed the rest of the collusion. that's why i ran into joe biden they gave me joe biden and thehr corrupt vice president interfered. >> laura: they are throwing everything out against the wall they would never do it if it weren't you. it would all be privileged if it weren't you. i mentioned this earlier. here's how the media reacted to the white house's letter tonight, watch. >> this is a letter of political posturing. >> it's all about partisanship and politics. >> it seems to be a political letter, and i wouldn't be surprised if some parts of it are in all caps. >> the white house is putting impeachment inquiry in scare quotes.like it's not a thing. >> it appears to be dressed up in a political argument.

they don't have any legal precedent to that that indicates anything that supports a single thing they've uttered. >> h laura: lots of constitutional scholars in that crowd. >> this is what television has become with political commentary, this is an tembarrassment for these networs to put people like that on who don't know what they are talking about, who are embarrassing themselves. they are saying ridiculous things. thee letter is brilliant, the people from l'affaire, guess who's working there now, james baker, the disgraced former fbi chief counsel.eded >> they fire all the best people over there. >> give me a break, they have a lot of money, they work out of working institution and they are a bunch of hacks. >> laura: let's talk about what this means for next steps., show it on the screen, i said i would show it earlier. the letter is manifestly wrong i'm not going to do my impersonation now. is it another unlawful attempt to hide the fact of the trump administration's brazen efforts to pressure foreign powers to intervene in the 2020 election.s the white house should be warne,

that continued effort to hide the truth of the president's abuse of power, it's all concluded already there is no investigation , will be regarded as further evidence of obstruction. in other words, an aggressive letter from the white house counsel. >> obstruction. >> heads they win, tales we lose. >> people should read the letter for themselves.it's very well wl better. it's supported by precedent. chuck todd said there is no support for it, he doesn't even read the footnotes, those are cases, i can't imagine you can read them but it says due process applies to a congressional hearing. it is a very, very strong brief very strong letter. it iss supported by footnotes d not bull and not political propaganda, it's hardly political, it's legal and it's beyond their competence because they arer so mesmerized

with going after trump they've lost all common sense.they shal. -- they're pathetic. >> laura: they are heading to--d with a 2-by-4. >> i would ask people to read it and see if it's the hysterical thing they were talking about it. >> and nancy pelosi doesn't get what they want, they've already made their conclusion, minority gets no rights in this land. schiff -- >> even "the washington post" -- >> laura: she doesn't get documents and eyewitness testimony, they are all freaked out about the state department now what? are they going to go to court? and try to argue this? >> or vote, get subpoena power. >> if they go to court they are going to lose because the president and the secretary of state and others are invokingof,

confidentiality privilege, absolute immunity privilege and they are doing that because they have a right to when there is not a formal impeachment proceeding underway.oozinesses the democrats have chosen thisroutee legal finale, which is they los lose. >> laura: here is how some of the msnbc's legal analyst interpreted the white house's letter like this. think trump wants to be impeached, in a way. i mean, he doesn't have a domestic agenda, his foreign policy is in shambles as the whole kurd example shows, at least on impeachment or something to talk about and something for him to run against.this 846 page letter cae explained as please impeach meek because i've got nothing else going on. >> where do they find these people? >> laura: former solicitor general. >> nohepa wonder the justice department is in shambles. >> laura: under obama? i think it was. 13 months. >> the reality is all americans

should be concerned about this because it really is a principle we have to always honor. which is, we have to protect everyone's rights. if you don't like donald trump,w cull possibly tolerate the idea he would be tried by anonymous witnesses >> laura: call the vote. you want to put more money, then you get subpoena power. >> it was collusion in ukraine that necessitated trump doing it. >> laura:in they dream about impeachment all night long, why don't they take want to take the vote? >> aoc, the incandescent ignoramus is manifesting the same stupidity that the entire democratic caucus reflects. they don't like the rule of law because they want to decide everything like a kangaroo court.

queen of hearts, man. it's over, you're dead, you're guilty, no evidence necessary. the democrats used to love process and procedure and the rule of law. they are literally subverting the rule of law and what really amounts to a seditious attack on the government. it really is sedition. >> do you know why they get away with this? it's the fault of the press.the. they can say anything they want. >> laura: "the washington post" isn't really a newspaper anymore. it used to be a real paper. >> they can be as corrupt as they want and they don't get investigated, nobody cares, nobody worries. for years, obama had a pay for play operation in his iministration that is disgusting. one of the reasons they are fighting so hard, if biden comes out, so does clinton come outan. this goes right to the top of the obama administration and the administration -- i didn't have scandals, it will be the most scandal ridden administration in our history. obama didn't care about ethics otherwise it wouldn't happen.

the vice president should havebo had the slightest bit of integrity. a chicago paul like obama, pay for play, millions of dollars to the vice president and hundred of millions of dollars to the secretary of state. >> laura: this is a special "the ingraham angle," i got you guys for a half-hour, this is awesome. rudy and joe, stay right there. ed more breaking news tonight. we are now learning more about the ukraine whistle-blowers dee. they're stillke talking. i can't keep them quiet. sara carter, gregg jarrett here as well on the john durham probe more. we have a lot more breaking news, we'll stay on it for you. stay there.

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>> g trump's attorney, rudy giuliani, says he will not testify until there is an impeachment vote approved and adam schiff resigns. -- is removed. end of the boyd swooped senator lindsey graham, he has invited giuliani to testify about possible corruption in ukraine. will he accept this offer? rudy giuliani joseph digenova, are you going to testify with the senate? >> i have to weigh that with my client, it's not a unitary decision but it may affect the other decisions. i would love to testify and give me a half-hour to point out biden inc., four decades of crime.i would love do it. it will be easier than pointing out six decades of mafia crime. >> laura: what was going on with perry?everybody is all upst that, rick perry. >> he's done nothing wrong.he w.

>> laura: he was at the inauguration of zelensky. >> oh my goodness, yeah, he was there. senator chris murphy told zelensky he better not cooperate with me and other senators, told him not to cooperate with william barr. >> laura: did you debrief him? >> i'm not going to tell you my internal conversations, i talked to a lot of people.not necessar. -- rick, though. >> laura: cory booker is someone who is chomping at the bit to question youduring the h. this is when he said. >> i would savor the opportunity, i would, especially if it's done publicly. i know rudy giuliani is from new york, very close to broadway, he loves the theatrics, his behavior has been despicable and the lies and half-truths and the deception that he has been doing at the direction of this president and beyond is unbecoming. >> laura: unbecoming, despicable, just garden-variety

insults, rudy. >> i have to go into the arena with spartacus? gee, i don't know if i could handle it. he's a really tough guy. i don't know. he scares me. he was a terrible mayor, when i was a mayor of the city i turned it around,ay when he was mayor of a city and they had morecrim. >> new swashing doing well? >> newark is doing fabulous. >> laura: everyone's a tough guy. biden has been off the trail since friday, you never see eeden. >> did you see biden today, hec. he started yelling at a reporter, first it looked like he was sleeping. in that was today? >> it was today, i think, in las vegas. yesterday? >> laura: here's what sources told the washington examiner'sie

blower, the ig said the whistle-blower had a professional relationship with one of the 2020 candidates. if this turns out to be true, as in thets democrats keeping his r her identity a secret a total joke? >> this is why the notion that you are going to keep these witnesses secret, why you are trying to nullify an election, commit regicide and remove a president of the united states is ludicrous. everybody knows that, in all likelihood, fusion gps was involved with this person, this anonymous informant, i refuse to call him a whistle-blower because he is not a whistle-blower under the law. everybody knows that there is a former fbi agent who worked with this whistle-blower as he is now called. so we are going to learn an awful lot about the fact that this person never wrote this document, it was drafted by a committee of political consultants and researchers and people affiliated with the democratic national committee. >> laura: adam schiff should not be running this. he lied about contact with the

whistle-blower on national television, he just lied. >> adam schiff is a witness. you can't preside over a hearin where you are a witness. how could it be possible if we can't test the credibility of these witnesses? i mean, you can't come to a conclusion unless you get ath chance to test credibility. for example, this law firm, compos, whatever the name of iot is, was offering money, they were offering help with your mortgage, expenses, they were prodding witnesses to come forward. you don't think i would want to cross-examine the witness? did you read it? did they offer you any money? did you see schiff? >> laura: this can't happen again. >> here is the deal. this inspector general is a moron. when he wrote that analysis, he was wrong about the law.

this was not a matter of grave concern, urgent concern, he got slapped down so badly when they analyzed the fact this guy michael atkinson is a moron. there's no way around how bad a job he did. he is an embarrassment to the inspector general. >> laura: now we know that there is a 2020 connection, 2020 democrat connection to this whistle-blower and someone tried to criticize or question byron york's reporting tonight.i belis axios?us it was just fine, he's right on byron york is spot on in his reporting about this. >> it's going to get worse. >> laura: today, rudy, the state department ordered gordon somnolent not to appear for his deposition with house investigators. it would make sense which of course is drawing the ire of schiff, watch. >> the failure to produce this

witness, the failure to produce the documents, we consider yet additional strong evidenceoe constitutional functions of congress, a co-equal branch oft government. >> laura: okay. rudy, again, if you assert a privilege, executive privilege, attorney-client privilege, deliberative process privilege, you are guilty of obstructionof. there's no winning in this scenario. >> i would like to explain toe little schiff that propounding and presenting a false completely false narrative of someone's guilt is called obstructing justice. he did it. he did it right in front of the american people, he did it for about 20 minutes. he did a total, fictitious clai- and he did it again earlier when he claimed he had evidence of

russian collusion. hey, schiff, where is your evidence? you're a liar, i'm calling you out as a lawyer. you're a liar. where's your evidence? >> laura: they are hitting gordon sondland because he was a big donor for trump. does anyone remember who obama's donors were?obama's donors. there was headline after headline complaining about,pit , that's just what it is.obama han donors, so stop going after donors. >> this is just ensan itself. that tape of schiff, just bug-eyed and performing like a loon and

mouthing these -- it's just dumb and stupid and unsupportable legally. this is the chairman of a major' committee, and pelosi trying to keep her dentures in while she's talking to them is just there abiding by this, it's outrageous. >> it would be funny if it wasn't horrible trashing of our constitution. that has repercussions.it has rt keeps our country bitter and divided. they think thinks like them.thet what these people are doing. >> i want to read what pat wrote at the end of his letter. the president has a dry lead, -- a country to lead, the american people elected him to do his job and he remains focused on fulfilling his promise to the american people. if he has important work that

must continue on their behalf at home and around the world. i get that people are upset -- infrastructure, all these things are important, the safety and security of our country. to keep doing the people's business. >>h- rooting out high-level corruption is enormous. >> laura: how confident are you in the next couple of weeks? you're going to know a lot more from horowitz, durham, and the rest. >> this is going to be a bangs, bang couple of weeks. >> you will never be an incandescent ignoramus to me.ev. seven tweeting about that. get it trebling on twitter. rudy and joe, thank you so much. the breaking news doesn't stop there, we learned that john durham is expanding his investigation into the origins of the russia probe. could this have something to do with a robert mueller lie? gregg jarrett and sara carter here in moments to explain it all.

>> laura: multiple administration officials telling fox news that u.s. attorney john durham is expanding his investigation into the 2016 trump campaign surveillance. we already knew he would be reviewing the days leading up to the 2016 election b and the inauguration, but now based on his findings he is looking into a wider timeline of events from the beginning of the russia probe all the way until the spring of 2017 w when robert mueller was named a special counsel. joining me now, gregg jarrett fox news legal analyst and author of the brand-new book, we were talkingne about the witch hunt earlier, "witch hunt"

which touches on a lot of nights breaking news. he also hosts the new fox nation show of the same name, both out today. so happy he's on, along with him of course with me, sara carter, fox news contributor and investigative reporter. the democrat and deep state conspiracythns is unraveling. we feel it, we see it, we are on the precipice of it, so what's next? >> i would like to think my book is actually a road map for johny durham who is leading the investigation thatti bill barr initiated into acts of corruption and lawlessness. on various individuals in the fbi and intelligence communityaf justice. now that we know the investigation is expanding, that pretty much means she has already found some acts of lawlessness and corruption. asking now for additional personnel, he'spe gone overseaso

twors different countries to gather evidence not of trump-russia collusion but of fbi, department of justice, hillary clinton campaign and democratic national committee collusion. i think that now that it is expanding, he's not just looking into how james comey violated fbi regulations by launching an investigation of trump without a shred of evidence, he is also looking into lying and spying, undercover informants that were used, the fisa court. he should also look as i point out in my book that rod rosenstein appointed the awspecial counsel not based on w or evidence or even following the regulations, he defied the regulations and appointed bob mueller in an active vengeance retaliation against donald trump. not only that, he ought to look at bob mueller's conflicts of interest in this case which are egregious. >> laura: hold that thought, we are going to get into that in

agi moment. william, when you talk about john brennan, you think about the man ran the cia and now he has smeared barr and now he has is trying to smear durham, one of the most respected attorneys alive.listen to what . >> given that barr is' companies him op these things -- barr accompanies him on these things, it makes me think the hand of politics is now being used to massage what this ongoing review is. i am concerned. >> laura: what they wererescaryn investigation, a false, fraudulent investigation, but what does that tell you about how scared they are? >> they are terrified, deny everything, that's where they are at right now.running for th. john brennan, even his rhetoric is dangerous, both to the united states national security

and because we know brennan's involvement with investigating part of this entire issue of thg investigation into president trump's campaign began with john brennan.began with th. why do i say that? because we know it occurred overseas. we were accepting information, the fbi, from christopher steele who is a foreign former spy for mi6. he was funneling information that information was well-known to the cia in london. of that information was well known to those fbi agents that went there and spread these malicious lies. because what do we know now? we know none of it was verified. this dossier they used to target president trump and his administration and his campaign that dossier was based on lies and it was handed over to the fisa court and the foreign intelligence surveillance court said this has been verified, the fbi handed it to us, now we knoe

document, and now we know that isn'tnn the case. john brennan, james comey james clapper, they are a disgrace.cl this was a soft coup against president trump. >> laura: speaking of clapper, sara mentioned clapper, greg, another one of the deep state members very nervous tonight about john durham's expanded investigation.watch. >> what the then commander-in-chief president obama told us to do which was to assemble all the which was to assemble all the had available to us and put it in one report, it's kind of disconcerting to be investigated now for having done our duty any doing what we were told to do by the president. >> laura: now obama is involved. i want to learn more about that. you wrote about it. the president wants to keep -- be kept informed of all of this. >> we know obama knew because peter strzok and lisa pagein th6

exchanged a text message that said the white house wants to know everything wewe are doing. >> the lovebirds. i keep think mag cabe, correction. >> john brennan was briefing the president on everything. you can't launch a counterintelligence investigation without the permission because the information goes to the president.that that's the whole. in my book i described john brennan as the instigator of the russia hoax and the witch hunt and james clapper the dni, he was the leaker. he is the guy who was leaking information to cnn and of course he was rewarded with a job on cnn. >> laura: we mentioned earlier >> laura: we mentioned earlier timeline is expanding into 2017. i wonder if it's anything to do with another bombshell fox newsp up tonight. multiple sources telling us that former special counsel robert mueller was pursuing the fbi director position when he met with president trump in may of 2017. that is something mueller denied

on camera, testifying under oath this summer. >> mr. mueller, did you fbi director jobid you onee day before you were appointed special counsel? >> my understanding, i was not applying for a job. i was asked to give my input on whato it would take to do the b which triggered the interview you were talking about. >> so you don't recall on may the 16, 2017, you interviewed with the president regarding the fbi director job? >> interviewed with the president. it was about the job but not about me applying for the job. >> so your statement here today is that you didn't interview to apply for the fbi director job. >> that is correct. >> laura: do you think these are related? he was talking about getting that job and then rosenstein named tim to special counsel-- ,

what does that tell you? >> it tells us he should have been recused and never should have been named to special counselci and that rosenstein wo wass also secretly talking with other officials about the president and the special counsel should never have appointed him in the first place. he couldn't even remember his own report. that's why durham has to investigate. durham is going to goac further back, i believe he's going to 2o back to the end of 2015 and he is going to be looking at issues related to michael flynn. he is going to follow those through, he's going to look at stephan halbert and others. >> laura: sounds like an episode of telenovela. >> that's why they are so w afraid, that's why they arecomig after burr ham, and that's why they are so smart. if they are skirting around

them, they are saying we don't need anybody to talk for us. we are going to go directly to the horse. italy, australia, london. >> laura: but, greg, they don't -- >> laura: brennan and klapperst, they are on a smash and a smear campaign.this is like smash and, it's smash and smear. they have to do it as much as possible to get the drum beat going. final thoughts real quick. >> i interviewed the president about his conversation with mueller,ou the president said hr the job tod be f.b.i. director. i interviewed his personal assistant, she said the same thing. then i asked the president did you talk about the reason you fired t james comey? the president he paused for 20 seconds and said no comment. it was clear to me that the answer was, yes, they did talk about it which means mueller was a fact witness they are trying to gather incriminating evidence against the president.

he should have disqualified himself.durham and barr should o that. >> bingo. congratulations on your new book. always great to have you on. the trump campaign fires back after a democrat mayor tries to keep the president from actually holding a campaign rally. liberals are all for free speech, except when you're speech disagrees with theirs. mercedes schlapp campaign 2020 advisor for trump up here next.

>> we have all see the rhetoric that has been pushed out at these trump campaign rallies. it is hateful, it is divisive, and we do not welcome that kind of rhetoric here in minneapolis. we value the strength of our diversity. >> laura: is that justin trudeau's brother?

no, that's the mayor ofro minneapolis, jacob frey.he is tp holding a campaign nhl minneapolis because he's afraid of free speech. he says it's about security costs for the trump campaign,thg to stifle free speech. we've seen this before. joining us now come on mercedes schlapp and tom bevan founder of real clear politics. the rally is going on as scheduled, correct? >> they dropped their demand their ridiculous demand of having a campaign or secret service pay over $520,000. >> how much did obama may pay when he went there? when obama went a couple years ago for a health care speech, it was 20 grand.. >> laura: it has gone up. >> it goes up if you are in any way associated with president trump.de

what it does show is that this mayor was planning on suppressing these trump voters. and their first amendment rights. >> laura: talk about meddling in the election. >> obviously he's trying to be a the big guy of the show and at the end of the day he's been trumped. >> laura: i thought he was college protester or something, i don't even know him. in a land of 10,000 lakes, i have a special affinity for minnesota, i spend a lot of times there in the summers. i think this is a state that trump can pick off. tell us what the prospects are. he only lost minnesota by 44,000 votes, 1.5% of the vote most of that is in the twin cities. can trump pull off a flip if these kinds of antics continuef? >> i think so. people forget how close it was in 2016, it gets overlooked. it is in play, he only lost by 44,000 votes out of about 3 million cast.so it is definit. this is the kind of stunt that does two things.ddid fired up td

it turns off independence because it's nakedly political. minnesota is inus play, if trump manages to steales minnesota, tt really expands the map for him and its ten electoral votes. that will offset any losses he might have in wisconsin or. someplace else. so minnesota is going to be a key presidential state in 2020,t and it's very, very much in play. >> laura: when the mayor talks about how much they value diversity in minnesota, i'm thinking everything except diversity of thought. no diversityin of thought but we are going to hang our hat on every other manner of diversityd time -- mercedes, he we've seen this time and time again. s the college speech code crowd they want to have college speech code rules in all of society. >> they want to silence tens of thousands of trump supporter's 72,000 individuals from minnesota have registered to go to the rally.this is a fact of,t very clearly, it is not only

the idea that they want to impeach president trump, they want to impeach the trumped voter. i think that's very unfortunate. you're talking about minnesota remember from a structural standpoint the campaign only had one staffer in 2016. that's grown to about 20 staffers that we have right now on the ground. in addition to that, in 2016 we spent $30,000 in minnesota, we are going to be spending tens of minnesota. millions of dollars in minnesota. it is going to be a hot place to be.a. >> laura: minnesota has a hot economy right now, their economy is doing pretty well. a lot of biotech, big companies i think it's socialism and more high taxes or prosperity and peace. to me, that is trump's question to pose.

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he remains with me. he is lying, delusional of both. maybe there does need to be a rematch. obviously i can beat him again. >> she is doing her best to cling to relevancy. get the scoobymobile ready. shannon bream and the fox news at night team take it from here. shannon: we begin with a fox news alert. the white house fighting back sending a scathing letter to house democrats making it clear donald trump has no plans to comply with what they are calling an illegitimate and unconstitutional impeachment inquiry telling the speaker to keep a vote on it. she is warning the president you will be held accountable. a fox news exclusive tonight, we're learning more about john duramax investigation into the origins of the mueller probe. a new twist on what we may learn and when. a fox news at night