i think i could take you on in a little -- according cannon competition >> bill: not quite sure what i just saw there. [laughter] happy halloween. >> sandra: thank you for joining us, everybody. we will see you back here tomorrow morning. "outnumbered" starts now. >> dagen: fox news alert, turkey's military lodging operations against u.s.-backed kurdish forces at the syrian border. turkey is aiming to gain territories held by those kurdish forces. following a pullout of u.s. troops, there were reports of turkish fighter jets bombarding civilian areas in the region. american military officials tell fox news' jennifer griffin that the u.s. will not provide air support despite a request from the kurds. we have a live report from the region on this developing story coming up. at another fox news alert, this one here at home as president trump and house democrats are on a constitutional collision course

as a white house lawyer sends a letter to house speaker nancy pelosi vowing not to cooperate with what they are calling "an illegitimate and unconstitutional impeachment inquiry." and pointing out there has not been a formal vote in the house. but top democrats hitting back, house intelligence chair adam schiff tweeting that the white house thinks the president is "above the law." and house speaker nancy pelosi echoing that, telling democrats in a letter, "the actions taken by the president over the past two weeks show a defiance of our founders with a total disregard for their wisdom and the u.s. constitution. it in his "great and unmatched wisdom," president trump must know that no one is above the law. the president will be held accountable. when it comes to impeachment, it is just about the facts and the constitution." under course whatever happens the house, the final say will be in the senate. lawmakers from both sides of the political aisle weighing in.

>> but clearly they are obstructing justice by not turning over the documents, by arguing that the president so clearly set in the watergate matter is not binding precedent on them. they've basically forced nancy pelosi's hand, and i think he was saying, "i dig you to come get me." and she started the proceedings. >> i read the transcript. i do not see anything wrong there, and i want nancy pelosi to know that republican senators are not going to impeach the president based on this transcript, so she can stop now before she destroys the country. >> melissa: whew! we've got a lot too. i'm melissa francis. here today, fox business network anchor, dagen mcdowell you. fox business network, lisa boothe. a big welcome back to marie harf. so i read every back! and in the center seat today, david webb.

sirius xm radio host and a host of reality check on fox nation. and he is "outnumbered," and since you are, i will you go first do you think? be six of this is my one chance? >> melissa: this is it. many of them believe the constitution is outdated, and they suddenly cite the constitution. nancy pelosi is full of it. they're willing to throw out norms and practices, and this fake impeachment inquiry. they couch letters. the final issued subpoenas. let's see how this plays out. bring it to a vote, bring both sides in. don't shut out republicans behind closed doors. they sit on the sidelines, they don't get to ask questions. this is a farce being carry it out. i want the president to go to the mat and i want republicans to go to the mat on this. >> marie: i miss the couch! so good to be back! >> david: would you like a vote on the house floor? >> marie: i would, but the

republicans like jim jordan have said they don't want a vote. that letter from the white house was not a legal document. it was really a political argument. many of them are using evidence from codes on cable news shows. they were making an argument, because the impeachment is outlined quite clearly in the constitution on i would proceeds. that's what nancy pelosi is trying to do. i think what you'll see from the democrats all the subpoenas, if they are ignored by the administration, they are going to use that as evidence of obstruction. they are going to make that make a legal case. "look, the white house say they have nothing to hide. they say they are about transparency. why won't you let these people go testify?" >> david: houses a political part of the impeachment process, anyway. the trials and the senate, as we all know. the great thing about issuing subpoenas as they will then be litigated in court. so let them go ahead and issue the subpoenas. >> melissa: let me take up that point. if that happens, it's going to languish in court for quite a period of time.

>> lisa: which i think is the hope of the white house, as well. especially head of the 2020 election. here point -- >> melissa: in court for a long period of time? i don't know that that's the hope of the white house. you have this sort of thing that keeps going, people leak things -- >> marie: it'll run the clock out. >> lisa: to run the clock out. it's inevitable, this would lead up to the election. i think that's what the democrats want. to your point, impeachment is political. in nature. we are seeing a messaging war between the white house and democrats. president trump and his administration, this is the more as well-articulated part of that we've seen so far from the white house. this is the case the admission she needs to make. in regard to transparency, you got the white house and president trump to classifying the call with zelensky, put that up to the public. the doj put out the whistleblower complaint and the response to it, as well. so that's transparency. you can track about, what we've seen from house documents,

holding these meetings in secret without any hope of seeing the call between president trump it's vt. that's the case they need to make. they need to go flood the airwaves with that message. >> dagen: it is the house's constitutional power of impeachment, that as marie pointed out. they don't outline any of the rules. in terms of the impeachment proceeding. so i don't think -- from every american, if the democrats are serious about this, as they should be about an impeachment proceeding, then go ahead. bring it to a full vote. there is a precedent. there is a precedent from clinton and nixon. you need the president -- by fiat or decree, to have the parameters of the inquiry. that is the power of the judiciary committee, the scope of the evidence, the rules, and the timing. there were identical rules packages "the wall street journal" writes about today for nixon and

clinton were the minority party was able to consult on subpoenas and the president's lawyers are granted the right to attend all sessions related to impeachment, even those close to the public. without that, this will be fought in the courts. if it is litigated in the courts, it puts the democrats in a box between now and election. because, again, if you don't rush it and you go through, you vote and go through the proper procedures, then you're getting into the middle of an election year. if you rush it, it looks like you are trying to unknow a valid election. and eject it rightfully-elected presidents. >> melissa: amid questions over the political fallout of this showdown, new nbc news "wall street journal" poll finds that the majority of americans feel that the allegations are serious enough to at the very least marriott and impeachment inquiry. in a separate question with only two options, a larger number of respondents say the president should not be removed from office, and events that he sho.

the results, shockingly, split largely among party lines. [laughter] also, i don't believe in pollin polling. >> david: thank you, melissa. if we govern by polling and create process by poll in this country, we will never get anywhere or get anything done. we don't do it in their daily lives, we don't do it in our corporate lives. this is about process. dagen outlined a fair approach to this. the point is, bring it out, do it in the light of day, do it with transparent -- with both sides present, with the attorneys, with the other congressmen being able to ask questions behind closed doors. what are democrats afraid of? they are afraid of some of the things that will come out if allegations are anywhere near true that this "leaker/whistleblower" had actual contact with adam schiff, may work for a potential opposing primary candidates on the democrat side. if this stuff starts coming to fruition, they are done. speed to

1 dumb i don't like >> melissa: my favorite way to let mary answer, but he answered yoursel yourself. >> marie: they like it on publicly. >> david: and why are they doing it? >> david: they are asking people to testify on their getting stonewalled. let me finish. i remember when mike pompeo was in congress and he issued so many requests and so many subpoenas to the obama administration. he was furious when people wouldn't show up or when they hesitated about showing up. now that the she was on the other foot it's fascinating -- >> david: it doesn't work. nice deflection. >> marie: is absolutely not a deflection. >> lisa: marie, there holding these meetings in this scif. exactly, marie. it's not out in the light. you have adam schiff selectively leading whether it's a text message exchange, selectively leaking it out to serve the narrative. >> dagen: i need to add one thing. maybe adam schiff is conducting it on behalf of nancy pelosi, because he can use intelligence

as the guys to keep it secret. that is one issue. i want to say nancy pelosi -- >> melissa: there you go. fox news alert, president trump has hired trey gowdy as outside counsel to represent him in the democrat house impeachment inquiry. wow. he's, of course, a former republican congress men from south carolina who was the house oversight and government reform committee chairman. he has influential roles, or had them, in the house benghazi investigation. he also was a fox news contributor. we will bring you any details as soon a we get them. boy, we've seen him in action before. >> dagen: can i finish my thought quite? >> melissa: they just got a million times more entertaining. go ahead. >> dagen: >> dagen: nancy pelosg into uncharted waters and she is waiting into mud of unknown depths. if the democrats aren't careful, with gowdy on board, its quicksand. >> melissa: coming up, turkish

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simultaneously holding it on announced military drill during the border. meantime, two u.s. senators, lindsey graham lindsey graham and chris coons, demanding the tram down my in this region immediately briefed lawmakers on the presidents abrupt decision to pull troops of the huge trey yingst's lead from jerusalem. >> either, dagen the military operation is underway in syria, and kurdish forces are calling out of the united states to implement a no-fly zone as the borders pound by air strikes. f-16s today targeted her decisions. as reports indicate, democratic forces considered u.s. allies just days ago, are responding by targeting a turkish military base. we are learning of a mass civilian exits from the border as civilians flee this new violence. the operation was announced this morning back turkish president erdogan. his defense manager indicated the united states, russia, and the u.k. among others were

briefed on the ark evacuation. the united states previously had a group of soldiers in the region to print don't i prevent such an attack. this is pardon the agreement. another major concern is the resurgence devices. kurdish officials have said this would become a second priority if the turkish invasion was launched. thousands of kurdish fighters lost their lives fighting isis on behalf of the west. many of these isis fighters still have family in the region. they were made a promise by the tribal administration and now the big question is with u.s. forces out of the area, allowing for this turkish operation to go forward, with the americans trying to prevent casualties already underway. >> dagen: thank you for that. trey yingst in jerusalem for us. let's bring it to the sofa. marie, to you first on this. actually, trey reference this. kurdish fighters in syria plus 11,000 soldiers fighting against isis. if there is a civilian

bloodbath, if there is a bloodbath with the kurds, and what does this mean also for a resurgence of isis? >> marie: there is a reason, dagen, that over the past few days you've seen republicans and democrats almost across the board criticizing this. everyone from mitch mcconnell to nancy pelosi. people who agree on nothing else agree this is a very bad move, to abandon our kurdish allies. i think we should have a serious conversation about what the right footprint should be in syria. how long should he be there? how long should we be supporting people like our kurdish allies who fought alongside us, it took so many casualties, as you mentioned, against isis? that's a conversation we should be having. the way to make the decision is not calling the president of turkey, who has for decades had so much animosity toward the kurds, has wanted to move against the kurds, to collect the president of turkey and make a decision that is abandoning our allies right now. i would be curious to see what president trump does in the face of particularly the republican criticism from people like

lindsey graham. >> dagen: david? >> david: let me start with completely wrong and how this process played out, and everything marie just said. number one, this is not just one phone call between the president of the united states and the president of turkey. there are other parties involved dealing with both sides. that's one, fact one. >> melissa: like who? >> david: i can't review all the sources of this. [laughter] you can laugh all you want. >> marie: it's easy to say that if you don't have evidence, david. >> david: there's a difference between ignorance and fact. >> dagen: i'm going to stop right there. i don't think you need to call marie ignorance, because she did say -- >> david: ignorance of the issue. i will correct that. ignorance of how this has played out. yes, it is questionable and you have to separate those groups. they are not one monolithic block. it is true that there has been -- with a firm warning issued by the president, that if turkey goes off limits when it comes to the kurds, to purchase more like a macarthur island hopping.

go to those who are the danger in isis, there will be blowback whether it's economic or otherwise. and be controlled airspace, so we can also act as necessary. the other part of this, you couldn't write this playbook. we had to let this happen because we were not going to stop it. you have to remove the american troops. by the way, the reporting on the numbers, that number is classified. no one knows that actual number but a few people, of how many were actually taken out of the area. their role was to act as a buffer between the two, and advised to make sure we had some balanced approach in intelligence. >> dagen: marie was right on the fact that both republicans and democrats are very, very unhappy and upset with what the president decided to do. here's lindsey graham on "fox & friends." >> everybody is telling him this won't work, but he's doing it anyway. just like obama. and it erdogan is not our friend. congress will push back. we are not giving turkey a green light in congress, and we are not going to abandon the kurds.

if the president does so, we won't. >> david: he's not right and he's not wrong. he is the problem, he's not recognizing the situation for what it is. here's the coalition that exist there. you have turkey that is a nato ally, see you have to deal with that issue and the administration has to do without. >> melissa: they don't behave like a nato ally. >> david: i've been one of the fiercest tricks of turkey, but we have to recognize that this is a deal with the situation ast exists. lindsey graham has made a couple of statements that are more political than they are based on what has happened on the ground. >> lisa: i would say this is probably not the best time to alienate some of the allies you need on capitol hill as you are facing an impeachment inquiry from the house. another concern i have is what happens with isis. as we know, the kurds are guarding thousands of isis soldiers and their family members in syria. so what happens to that? president trump also promised and has made great ground in defeating isis because he loosened the rules of engagement

and empowered our military men and women. so what happens to isis? do they begin a foothold, which also would look good -- coat >> david: isis must be dealt with. >> lisa: by turkey. to be trust them to do that, though? i think it's a fair question. >> david: they also have a split kurdish issue between the two primary groups. kurds, again, are not monolithic. if they follow through on what has been discussed, which is to deal with isis issue, and leave the kurds alone -- >> melissa: before we run out of time, i want to ask mary about that. he paints it like we have all these isis fighters there that are just being held. they can't be held there differently. they should go back to the countries from which they came. the countries do not want to take them back. we can't put them in guantanamo bay. what should happen to those isis fighters? >> marie: well, they've been in these prisons in the kurdish-controlled areas. now there's talk the president might want turkey to take them. there's no way that turkey is taking them.

this is the problem, melissa. >> melissa: i'm asking, honestly, because i have no idea. >> lisa: i think that's a really good question. >> marie: i think they should be imprisoned where they are now. >> melissa: it definitely? survive indefinitely, probably. the answer isn't to have turkey move in. go against the kurds, maybe have all these fighters released from prison, either because the kurds can't guard them anymore or they are let go. it's very clear that turkey's main focus in this area are the kurds. historically, yes, they are not a monolith, but historically the tricks of want to move against kurdish areas. that's the number one priority. i don't know where these isis fighters will go. there's not a perfect answer. but the answer is not letting them out. 36 so we shouldn't hold people into filled in guantanamo bay, but they should hold them it definitely imprison? >> dagen: the danger is they form cells elsewhere and go back to your potential. and what does that bring to the request? the fight over justice brett kavanaugh still simmering more than a year later.

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♪ >> melissa: a new report raising press questions about the ukraine whistleblowers potential political bias. the "washington examiner" reports individual as some sort of 2020 connections. byron york writing, "under questioning from republicans during last friday's impeachment inquiry interview with atkinson, the inspector general revealed that the whistleblower's possible bias was not that he was simply a registered democrat. it was that he had a significant tie to one of the democratic presidential candidates currently vying to challenge president trump in next year's election."

lisa, i don't know that that so much is what concerns me as much as the whistleblower's action of going to the committee before going to the ig. >> lisa: right. >> melissa: go ahead. >> lisa: it was the inspector general that noted the complainant had a bias which was noted in the doj release in response to it was a blur complaint. >> melissa: everybody has a bias, though. >> lisa: well, i know, but if you are trying to essentially lead to the impeachment of the president, i think that's a fair concern. just to confirm, i asked mark meadows on the commercial break, adam schiff has not release the transcript of kurt volker testimony, which i think speaks to the process and the concerns there. not just the way adam schiff has ran this thing. in addition, the way the whistleblower has handled it. as you noted, he went -- he or she -- went to adam shift prior to filing the complaint. there is an 18 day window between that july 25th call and august 12th when the complaint was filed. further, did not disclose to the

inspector general that these conversations had happened with adam schiff. so i think the way the whistleblower has handled this certainly calls into question the motives. then when you add on the element of the fact the individual had to declare bias against the president, that's concerning. >> melissa: dagen, we were talking on the break. they were riding in the dash somebody not generally sympathetic to the right -- talking about how he doesn't think this whistleblower will turn out to be natural to support. one of the points he made was that whistleblowers are totally alone. that's why they have the whole world pushing against them. that's why they deserve this kind of secrecy. but this is somebody who was instantly celebrated in the larger media on the left, have a lot of allies who came to them out of time saying, "here's what we know." part of a large group protecting this person, as opposed to the kind of person who generally can't find a job, can't walk the street because of the whistle

they flown. >> dagen: right. in the whistleblower complaint it says, "i received information from multiple government officials about potus and his abuse of power of the office. more than half a dozen u.s. officials informed me." the dumb actually look like a clearinghouse for information. according to catherine herridge is amazing reporting, they wrote a memo to memorialize the conversation. using words like "crazy," and "the frightening call." so there was some planning there. the wall street editor of the page says the to prevent reprisal at work. it's not designed to provide immunity from public scrutiny for claims into ousting ousting a president. b5 the inspector general also said the claims made were credible and inspector general thought this was a credible person. there's also a second whistleblower, by the way. we don't know anything about who

this first person is except for these little dribs and drabs. >> david: will put it on the open and find out. >> marie: those protections are in place legally for a reason. everything they outlined that memo we've now seen is backed up by the transcript. >> lisa: that's not true. >> david: that is not true at all. on everything that was whistleblower alleges, it's backed up in that transcript, number one. number two, they change the rules and this is something we should examine. why kearsley was allowed -- >> marie: that's not true. >> david: the rules are changed. >> marie: that's not true, david. not true. >> david: in may of 2019. >> melissa: republicans on the judiciary committee want an update from the doj with four accusers who made claims under oath against and now supreme court associate, justice brett kavanaugh, during his confirmation fight last year. the lawmakers say they want those who lied to be held accountable. what do you think? >> lisa: absolutely. if you care about any actual victims of sexual assault, when people bring allegations for

they should be punished because that demeans the current ability of actual victims. we have two individuals, just with the guy that claims his friend was sexually assaulted on a boat in rhode island, who recanted there was also another woman named julia munro who accused judge kavanaugh of raping her and let her said shed it because she wanted to raise attention, essentially. we know there's at least two people who essentially made it up and also recanted what they previously said. so that is wrong. i also believe the other three women were lying, personally, but we know for a fact that two people have recanted what they said. so those people should absolutely be punished, and anyone else made false allegations. >> david: just take the attorney for buzzy ford at her word paige said it was political and designed to took -- i'm paraphrasing, but ask your own attorney. >> melissa: which are due by people who later recants? they make this public testimony, and then they take it back and

admit they weren't telling the truth. >> marie: i don't know if we are prepared were not in the senate, the judiciary committee come in the media, to go back down to the litigation of brett kavanaugh's past. if you want to go back and talk to these women, are we going to bring up the other women who were never interviewed by the fbi? whose stories haven't been -- >> melissa: answer the question. >> marie: you don't get to just focus on the -- >> david: why not? >> melissa: i'm asking, what happened to people who recanted? if you come out and make these public claims in a situation like this, and he really does damage to somebody and later you say it wasn't true, would you want to happen to the person? >> marie: the court of public opinion can litigate this. my point is the student be lived out in the vacuum of people who have recanted. there's a lot of women -- >> lisa: it's against the law. >> david: it's called libel and slander. we have those lost for a reason. >> marie: there are a lot of women who have accused him who are not christine blasey ford. several women who were not

testifying before congress, 11 recanted. do not open those again? >> lisa: i would love to. >> david: i would love to do that! >> melissa: we don't want to go back down that road. i'm asking really simple question about what should happen to people who come forward and testify and then take it back later for whatever reason. this could happen to anybody. on any side of the aisle. >> marie: but they didn't testify. >> melissa: your family member member. if you go on public and make the statements -- >> dagen: there has to be punishment involved, and i will tell you why. the whole process is at risk. this is for republicans and democrats, any time anyone is nominated to the high court. if you don't put a stop to this, the false allegations, the recanting of stories told, it'll get worse and worse and worse and worse. for the republicans and the democrats. speech >> melissa: it also gives credence to those who do come forward. if there's a punishment that you

like, don't you believe the people who come forward? don't believe him so much more? you don't doubt their sincerity. you know they're coming forward because they really feel that way. if there's a punishment out there for lying. >> david: that's a good point, and that's why i favor the british system. the british system punishes the liar in many cases. something we do to look at here in the united states. >> melissa: i don't know, we'll see. the nba in damage control mode over tweet about the hong kong protest. new searching the league's business in china. the showdown is next. ♪ saturdays happen.

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and los angeles lakers, and it remains unclear if the teams will play in china this week as scheduled. this, as state media is accusing silver of supporting the "secessionist violence in hong kong." dagen, the nba big business in china. it is a lot of money, a lot of fans. how is this going to play out? >> dagen: i lambasted the entire response to one tweet from one dude who works for the houston rockets. the fact that they did not stand up for american values. however, adam silver has made a comeback. he came out in the statement yesterday, the league is not going to put itself in a position of regulating what players, employees, and team owners say. in the nba has the upper hand in all of this. it's the most popular sports league in china. you can't imagine china now without the nba being there, and basketball. "the wall street journal" at a figure today that there are is about as many escrow players in china as there are americans.

>> melissa: that's amazing. >> dagen: about 300 million people play basketball in china. so they can dig in and say, "you want basketball? we are it." >> marie: melissa, it's interesting -- it feels like china is trying to use its market power here, and i was reading something interesting this morning that says that unlike with hotel chains or airlines, when china tries to move away from those businesses, if they allow free speech, there is one nba. there is one basketball association, as dagen said. they love it. in a business sense, how is this going to shake out? >> melissa: you are right to point that out. this is the most fascinating case be seen to date. we see in this clash between the chinese government trying to flex muscle and this business of some type. part of me, i feel for the people of china. the hong kong people. for those records and a possible

players, this is something that brings them so much joy. somebody made a great comment yesterday. i care member who it was. that if the chinese government blocked out basketball, even more that what's going on in hong kong, that could be cause for revolution pair that's not even a joke! people are really, really -- on one hand, i think it would be cruel to deprive them of this thing that provide so much escape. on the underhand, would this be the impetus to get them out from under the thumb of a regime that treats them horribly? >> lisa: one thing i think it interesting, the media always treats new scandals as if it hasn't happened before. china, their state of also dull mike always using economic incentives to control and cente center. there was that marriott employee who liked a post, thinking marriott for listing to bet as, which they sense has said was a mistake. we seen with the hollywood industry how much china controls

by cofinancing films. >> melissa: apple, google, facebook. >> lisa: same with the facebook scandal. they'd used it in that way. even the russian meddling scandal. they have long meddled in the elections. it always surprises me -- i guess it shouldn't be surprising, because the media always treats new scandals as if it never happened before when that's not the case. >> david: for my pilot friends, climb higher and take a better view. you've got the initiation sanctions in china over. is this around 12? we've lost count. lucky 13. there's a bigger picture in play here. china, who is expanding through its bri initiative, is now attracting. anyway they can give them to assert more force and leverage matters. when you look at the other side, companies should a collection n

on how this plays out. see what this looks like when the final buzzer goes off, and companies should follow through. the nba is successful, they can fight back against china. >> melissa: as dagen points out, they have more leverage than the other companies. >> david: the monopoly. >> dagen: you know would have put a stop to this? if any of them have stepped up. >> lisa: that's a great point. >> david: where is yao ming? that's all i have to say per [laughter] >> marie: john durham beefing up his investigation into the russian probe origins. what could all mean. we'll be right back. ♪ uge mofor veterans. s mortgage rates just dropped to near 50-year lows. one call to newday usa can save you $2,000 every year. and once you refinance, the savings are automatic. thanks to your va streamline refi benefit, at newday there's no income verification, no appraisal, and no out of pocket costs. activate your va streamline benefit now.

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>> dagen: u.s. attorney john durham's investigation into the origins of the 2016 russian collusion case and possible surveillance of the trump campaign is expanding. durham adding agents and resources and broadening the scope of the beginning of the probe through the postelection spring of 2017, up to when robert mueller was named special counsel. lisa, this, again, watching "special report" last night, listening to bret baier and catherine herridge, this likely means that there is there there. based on what durham hasn't covered so far. >> lisa: what i would love the

answer to is if the dossier was russian disinformation. and something to do our times brought up an article much longer. we have daniel hoffman, who works here, a former cia officer based out of moscow who has brought this point up, as well. concerning the fact that christopher steele was previously british intel. they probably would've caught wind that he was working on this. was it russian disinformation? you should want to get to the model of that. in part, the fbi used it to obtain a fisa warrant. it was bought and paid for by hillary clinton and the dnc. if they were using russian disinformation to surveilled carter page, that should be deeply concerning to all americans. if you care about russian interference, we should get to the bottom of that. >> melissa: to put it even more plainly, was a campaign dealing russian disinformation to the fbi? >> that's what i was trying to say! [laughter]

>> david: in a very nice way. >> marie: it is so interesting to talk about the story and to talk about the current allegations on ukraine. >> melissa: what brought about that civil question can i can answer that one question cannot speak >> marie: i'm going to come melissa. think about what happened in 2016 on the next election coming up, he's raising a lot of very interesting questions about opposition research. we should take and what we shouldn't in these campaigns. in an ideal world, i actually want all the facts out there about what happened in the 2016 election and investigation. because i believe a lot of allegations and insinuations and rumors. haven't seen all the facts. i believe, when we actually see them, it'll be clear that there were legitimate law enforcement reasons to severe people like carter page >> melissa: she's going to answer my question pages got together. >> marie: my point is, your question had an allegation in it. sure, the way you said it is true, that would be concerning. we don't know it's true.

>> melissa: i'm saying, would it be concerning if the campaign dealt russian and disinformation to the fbi? >> marie: sure. my point is i want durham to answer the question of how this got started, because i deeply to believe, having been administration then and seeing what the russians were doing, that this is a legitimate investigation. >> david: reason you have a true investigation is you follow the evidence, you follow what leads you, and you go there. i'm glad they've expanded this. mueller was given huge expanse in his investigation. let's let durham do the job. one thing we've got to do is not sell this for months and months and months. it does take time. but i want this to go where it leads. it has to go back in time to the obama administration. where the operation began, and asked to go for a two ukraine, to russia, and any actors out there that are involved in this. let it go where it is.

watch that. when that starts going you will see a lot of democrats, just like i expect, saying "you know what? would we need to pull back on this can be seen enough." >> dagen: the ig report on alleged court abuses going to be out literally in a matter of days. certainly in the next week or two. remember, these two words -- joseph mifsud. who said, "he has dared i'm clinton," and lied to the fbi three times. no charges. over clinton and president trump renewing their war of words as 2020 draws closer, and sparking buzz of a possible -- round two? how likely is that? ♪ to look at me now, you don't see psoriasis.

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the former presidential candidate responding to one of president trump's tweets that said that she should enter the 2020 race for the white house. saying, "don't tempt me, do your job." she also said this last night -- "maybe there does need to be rematch. i mean, obviously i can beat him again." >> david: [laughs] >> dagen: i've got to lay down. [laughter] this gives me vertigo. y'all just discuss while i rest my weary head. no, no, no. i'm not going to get into this. no, no, no, no. it's basic let me take this off. >> lisa: david is reclaim the mantle. >> david: she wasn't ready in 2016. she doesn't run a good electoral college strategy. she won the popular vote. congratulations, you lost. that's it, end of story. >> lisa: marie, i want to ask you about something different than this. we were talking on the commercial break, obviously you were out working and he talked about the disconnect between the

establishment of media and whats are saying. tell me about that disconnect. >> marie: it was really interesting. obviously democratic voters, first and foremost, want to win. there are a little nervous but joe biden. you see that in some of his poll numbers coming down. elizabeth warren, we were almost no mic or in talking about, running a great campaign. but it's been interesting watching how, especially the dnc with their debate rules and news on the debate's age and who isn't, what issues they are focusing on and what they aren't, the voters out kind of aren't in the debates yet. they want more options. they are concerned about biden, they're concerned about bernie and elizabeth warren's electability. there's all these people in the middle that we haven't talked as much about. the voters are testing out. people like amy klobuchar and cory booker. it's a really interesting thing that voters are doing right now. >> dagen: i will add one thing -- hillary clinton was recently asked what the gutsy's thing was that she did in a prison life. she said "stay in my marriage." if that is acquainted we had seen when against time, she would have done a lot better pay because it was real.

>> lisa: will see you back your smart noon eastern. here's melissa francis in for harris. >> melissa: fox news alert, new reaction is the white house declares war on democrat's impeachment inquiry. this is "outnumbered overtime" and i'm melissa francis in today for harris faulkner. the white house telling speaker pelosi it will not cooperate with the investigation. it calls it "illegitimate and unconstitutional." slamming the fact that there has been no full house vote on the inquiry. but pelosi says the constitution doesn't demand that, right in, "the president's actions threaten our national security, violate our constitution, and undermine the integrity of our elections." the white house letter is only the latest attempt to cover up his betrayal of our democracy and to insist that the president is above the law." but republican congressman jim jordan says the white house has good reason to put up a